Theories on Chasing Women in Ukraine

[Boethius]

So there we have it! You've let the cat out of the bag Boe and there was all that kick back on here when I said Ukrainians were 'dirt poor' and a 'dirt poor country'. Now you are saying the same as I do, for sure not all are some are quite wealthy but most are and although most get by I bet for many life is indeed a struggle.

1.  We are talking about the mid 1990's, a time when people were in very desperate times.
2.  Even if it were still dirt poor (and it is still poor, by Western standards), would that justify predators going to prey on poor women? 

[Sting23]

The point is that his intention was not  to commit -- but exploit the situation for his "fun" .
Now -- he wants to  show & re tell his memories of that time as if that situation is current.( Note --Krimster has now conceded I was correct about all this being 20plus years ago and in a totally different era)

As you can see -- idiots like TC are lapping up any salacious detail like a dog on heat.

Well, men do that everywhere.  I don't know how young he was when he went, if it was 25 years ago he was probably still sowing his wild oats so to speak.   

Most of the younger expats I met in Moscow are doing the same thing.  Going on dates with many girls, not commiting, having "fun".  The girls know this of course yet still go with these guys. 

[msmob]

Well, men do that everywhere. 

Most 'men'  aren't too smart, then ...   

The 'smart' thing to do when an expat is to stay away from your fellow 'ex-pats' ...

[Boethius]

"A few native Russians here have told me she makes alot of grammar mistakes."

haha so does my wife, she was born there
OMG you should hear how Russians rate my wife's Russian now, hilarious
don't make major conclusions from small details
BO was in a very unique position and time
and has kept her association
big, big respect to BO
I also respect her integrity
everything she sez is true
especially the parts I disagree with
infuriating woman actually, come to think about it

I don't know where Sting's post went (it is not among deleted posts, so I really don't know where it is), so I'll respond to your post.

Sting is referring to one poster, in response to this phrase, which I posted -

Мы не чаяли уж чаять уж отчаялись совсем.

That Russian's response was Don't worry, it's a very poor Russian grammar. The prefix exists under stress only. Pосчаялись - no such word in Russian language."

Yes, I knew that grammatically, it should be pосчаялись, but what I posted is something one can hear, word for word, in the Volga region.  Just as you will often hear "o" when the rule is, the pronunciation should be "a".  In fact, that  was why I posted the phrase in the context of the discussion.   It is something I heard when one of my husband's shipmates was in Kyiv, and my husband met with him.  The phrase perplexed me at the time, and in the context of the thread, it was to explain a point.  So no, my grammar was not faulty.  I was dealing with someone with no discernible sense of humour when she comes here, although I do know from past interactions that she has one.  She'd probably have issues with the humour in this, as well -

Инда взопрели озимые. Рассупонилось солнышко, расталдыкнуло свои лучи по белу светушку. Понюхал старик Ромуальдыч свою портянку и аж заколдобился -]Илья Ильф и Евгений Петров

Oh and BTW, I ran that by the better half at the time. His response was “I had to learn the uneducated vulgar Russian spoken today because you (meaning progeny of the proletarian class) murdered all my ancestors, who spoke the language normally.”

“My husband thinks as I do”why does this statement NOT surprise me?how tightly do you have the poor man wrapped around your little finger?“ohhh not all”, she said

No, not at all.  If you met my husband, you would see he is not someone who can be wound around anyone's finger.  Had he been, his life would have been much easier.

I think he changed my perspective on this issue, probably because he grew up poor in that culture, and understands how they think.

“Most are not looking for casual sexual relationships.”well sure, most are looking for “something else”but here’s a little secret, they are ALL looking for SOMETHINGand NOT a little white house with a picket fence either...it comes down to learning their secret desire (which they are always eager to tell you)and fulfilling it on a temporary basisthese girls were “starved” for pretty much everything

But did they all know it was temporary, that you had no intention of sticking around long term?

Most UW have exactly the experience I did.”I’ve met some who married young like youbut they are a teeny minoritywomen in Ukraine don’t have the power to get what they wantso they have to take whatever they CAN GET...you really think my generosity was ever refused?

NEVER BO, it never was...also, never felt ANY inhibition about sex towards me, almost like someone told them ahead of time what to expect and do and they were eagerly anticipating itand if you’ll pardon me BO, my circumcised willy was a BIG hit in Ukrainereceived all kinds of praise for it!!!!if UA women WEREN’T looking for sex, why did I ALWAYS have sex with them?don’t make it sound like I was raping them, I wasn’t

I met far more who married very young, often, younger than me, usually, because they were pregnant and feared an early abortion would render them sterile.

I didn't say they weren't looking for sex, nor have I ever suggested you were raping them.  Just that the expectations in most cases differed.

[Boethius]

"Knowledge ain't much if you are a curmudgeon.  I'd rather hang around positive, uplifting fun people than Debby downers who suck the life out of the room.

exactly what my kids tell me
better to laugh with us sinners
than to cry with BO
but it'd be nice to get BO to laugh once in awhile
serious people don't have much time for humor
frivolous people such as myself
just irritate people like BO

So what should I laugh at?  Sting's following moby around and insulting him? 


Should I make nice and believe it is perfectly normal to view women as prey to be hunted?  No, I am not a "light" personality, but I do have a sense of humour.  GQ used to make me laugh here very often.

[Sting23]

Boethius get off your moral high horse.  Equating krimster to a predator is a low blow.  Harvey Weinstein, Bill Cosby, Trump, Matt Lauer, Jian Ghomeshi.  these guys are predators, accused of sexual assault and rape.

krimster didn't do any of that from what I can tell.  Many FSU women lack the emotional nurturing as a child because their father ran off with another woman, abandoned the family, was a drunk, absent or died young. I got alot of my Russian friends who tell me their family history.  The attitude of the guy doing what he wants is still prevalent in Russia.

What do you think all the oligarches do.  They have tons of mistresses at their beck and call.  Ain't no one forcing the girls to do it.

[Boethius]

The point is that his intention was not  to commit -- but exploit the situation for his "fun" .

Exactly.  Note - I am not judging krimster.  I want him to think about this in a different way.  He can say yeah, I was a good lover, I didn't force anyone to do anything they didn't want to do, and that may all true.  However, I'd be interested in the stories of the women, and whether they thought they were just having a casual sexual encounter.  Most women are not looking for casual sex, anywhere in the world.  It's just not the way women are "built".

[Boethius]

Boethius get off your moral high horse.  Equating krimster to a predator is a low blow.  Harvey Weinstein, Bill Cosby, Trump, Matt Lauer, Jian Ghomeshi.  these guys are predators, accused of sexual assault and rape.

krimster didn't do any of that from what I can tell.  Many FSU women lack the emotional nurturing as a child because their father ran off with another woman, abandoned the family, was a drunk, absent or died young. I got alot of my Russian friends who tell me their family history.  The attitude of the guy doing what he wants is still prevalent in Russia.

What do you think all the oligarches do.  They have tons of mistresses at their beck and call.  Ain't no one forcing the girls to do it.

So you would like to claim the moral low ground of former communist/komsomol pigs who have stolen the wealth of their country (rather than building anything) and treat people as disposable objects for their pleasure and/or use?  Those are the "men" you wish to emulate?  Great morals there.

Using people who are already damaged is even more reprehensible.

[Boethius]

Thanks for that insight Krimster, its great stuff! and I'm very grateful to you   I'm guessing you mean sex   Would this also work if you wanted an ongoing relationship with a woman, I mean not on a quid pro quo of 'something in exchange for sex' - in a non formal sense of course. Would a FSW also take an exchange, trade mentality to a relationship in general? So say guy imports her into western country, decent house, bit of money to spend, he goes out to work in trade for she stays at home if she wishes or does uni course but agrees to have kids - again in an informal not directly struck bargain sort of way but kind of knowing what each other expects out of the relationship.Boe has her moments   Like I say I think she possesses insights most of us don't so can be of use when other are kind of variously suggesting all sorts to a strange situation.

You see, this is what I have an issue with.  You are not "importing" a woman like you "import" a vehicle.  And a woman has her own will.  She exists independently of you.

[msmob]

Boethius get off your moral high horse.  Equating krimster to a predator is a low blow.  Harvey Weinstein, Bill Cosby, Trump, Matt Lauer, Jian Ghomeshi.  these guys are predators, accused of sexual assault and rape.

krimster didn't do any of that from what I can tell.  Many FSU women lack the emotional nurturing as a child because their father ran off with another woman, abandoned the family, was a drunk, absent or died young. I got alot of my Russian friends who tell me their family history.  The attitude of the guy doing what he wants is still prevalent in Russia.

What do you think all the oligarches do.  They have tons of mistresses at their beck and call.  Ain't no one forcing the girls to do it.

Eventually, the misogynist shows through in the posters one always expected to show their true colours ..

Oligarchs are few and far between and IF you knew about FSU women - one of 'em even posted  how to 'pull' one and it resulted in the said Oligarch losing BILLIONS of dollars off his enterprises as the lass' instagram account  led Navalny to out another somewhat dodgy link to the Kremlin and 'success'

The poor journo that discovered much of this was so 'shocked' at what he found he 'jumped' from his apartment building and the Kremlin made Instagram close the lass' account from being viewed - or risk being closed down in Russia ..

There are some lasses that know how to play guys who think they are the players..

[msmob]

THIS poster appreciates the other perspective you bring.   

[Sting23]

Eventually, the misogynist shows through in the posters one always expected to show their true colours ..

So now you're implying that I'm a misogynist?! hahah dude you weak sauce. 

[msmob]

Pretty much all members on both forums insult moby because he deserves it.

I know facts hurt your brain - but try to appreciate I'm not like you ...

When I'm 'insulted' - it normally means the other 'guy' has run out of reasoned ripostes and I simply don't get upset about what folks feel about me. personally

Once again .. the FB guy you are referring to has posted utter bollox about the UK holding the Skripals against their will .. He's upset at being referred to as a 'useful idiot' for the Kremlin fib machine. He 'blocked' me as I pointed out his howlers - he 'responded' as all sad folks do when being busted - by being 'personal ''.. posting some thing he knew that would hurt ...

On numerous occasions said FB guy has shared his personal life with me and I'd never lower myself to share that info - no matter what he says..

People do stupid things sometimes, Sting23 - when 'upset'.... I've done it .. and learnt ...

You have MUCH to learn - like checking out my personal life and leaving your BC IP address ?

[pitbull]

1.  We are talking about the mid 1990's, a time when people were in very desperate times.
2.  Even if it were still dirt poor (and it is still poor, by Western standards), would that justify predators going to prey on poor women?

Agree with Boethius.

Krimsters stories of being a sexual tourist in a dirt poor country during its hardest times are repulsive. Pride in exploiting those young inexperienced poor girls to satisfy his own physical needs is  especially repulsive  coming from a father of two girls.

You know opioid  addiction crisis is a huge issue among the US youth. What if an older man gave opioids to his precious teenage daughter just to be able to fuck her for a couple days? I see no difference with what krimster did in Ukraine and his general strategy - just find the girl’s weakness and then you can safely use her up.

[krimster2]

“ Sun Tzu” lived in the 6th century BC Jay
you know, the time period most of your ideas about virtue come from...
he is credited with being the author of “The Art of War”

is the 2,500 yr old "The Art of War" obsolete knowledge Jay?
Today, at West Point, I can tell you, that it’s required reading..
the idea that knowledge and wisdom has a time stamp
is ridiculed there
and I will do it here
what a stupid, stupid, idea...

as I and other have tried to tell you Jay
the fundamentals have NOT changed in UA
the economic gap between UA and USA
is even WIDER than 20 yr ago!
and everything else follows after this unalterable fact

and I don’t see how ANYONE can argue against this fact
but yet you seem to persist in doing so...
I say SEEM, because in reality it’s become self-evident
what this is REALLY about...
really it’s about your ego being threatened by me
which seriously, if you feel threatened by some yank who has a bigger willy than you
makes you even MORE pathetic and insecure than you were...
seriously, grow up, man up...
none of THIS is about me...
it's all about YOUR insecurity...

and I've offered to settle this "once and for all time" by the following:

I hopefully will be allowed entry to Krim in 2 more months
I fully intend to do a photo profile of some villages I once hunted
will provide photos with new 20.0 MP camera
tell me what photographic evidence you want
what do you want

"Village Girls" coming to a theater near you

[msmob]

Krimster,  is the economic disparity the best reason for a lady to be looking for a western guy ?

[Sting23]

You have MUCH to learn - like checking out my personal life and leaving your BC IP address ?

Good you got my IP.  Now come and find me and we'll dance brah.  Haha.  Ever heard of VPN?   

[Sting23]

You have MUCH to learn - like checking out my personal life and leaving your BC IP address ?

hey msmob if you wanna talk about personal stuff I'll be glad to.  I'll be in contact soon.

[Sting23]

So you would like to claim the moral low ground of former communist/komsomol pigs who have stolen the wealth of their country (rather than building anything) and treat people as disposable objects for their pleasure and/or use?  Those are the "men" you wish to emulate?  Great morals there.

Using people who are already damaged is even more reprehensible.

Since when were you the moral police?  People in power have abused those without from the beginning of time.  It has always happened and will always happen.

Are you gonna boycott electronic goods because they are made in China by workers getting a few bucks a day?  What about drinking coffee harvested from some farmer in Columbia or Brazil making peanuts. 

What constitutes as physical and sexual assault here is common in FSU countries.  And if you are rich and connected even if you are guilty you'll get off scott free. 

[krimster2]

“Krimster,  is the economic disparity the best reason for a lady to be looking for a western guy ? “
i don’t have any control over that...
I didn’t make this world

still comes down to it being the WOMAN’s choice
ironic BO and pitbull don’t approve of a woman making her own choices...

[Sting23]

krimster I believe the word is "hypocrite".

[JayH]

Well, men do that everywhere.  I don't know how young he was when he went, if it was 25 years ago he was probably still sowing his wild oats so to speak.   

Most of the younger expats I met in Moscow are doing the same thing.  Going on dates with many girls, not committing, having "fun".  The girls know this of course yet still go with these guys.

Men do not go around dangling a new life to a girl in any normal circumstance.

What happens with expats in Moscow( or bigger cities) is a consenting adults deal -- and quite different to what Krimster is advocating  -- ie find a disadvantaged girl and exploit that situation.

As you can see --the social misfit Trenchcoat  jumps straight into that concept as it fits his doctrine entirely. Previously --TC has lionised sex tourists in DK and Roosh who wrote( & promoted) about being able to exploit the situation in Ukraine and the FSU.Much of the language and disgusting ideas Roosh promotes come out on Trenchcoat posts -- and regardless of how many other posters here point out that flawed thinking--TC keep's on keeping on believing that crap.

Now along comes Krimster writing of his sex tourism and advocating it is there now for all to take advantage of.

There has always been an appetite here by some for the salacious and explicit tales along with inappropriate questions that some are intent on asking. More often that not -- I doubt the truth of many of those posts --those that do actually have a private life tend not to need applause and the plaudits of others.

[krimster2]

"But fine.  Since you all find my comments so burdensome vis a vis the bon mots dripping here otherwise, I'll just stop posting"

every now and then that young girl who defied convention and moved to kyiv and got married so young peeps out...
I can just see and feel the disdain on your lips

BO, no one finds you burdensome, least of all me
but I do like (sorry) sparring with you
it's fun
don't get hurt or angry
it's all in good fun on my part!!!

cut me SOME slack please
wait till you see what I bring back from Krim
no not the Village Girls Expose
I will surprise you
if I get back in one piece...
and will totally redeem myself in your eyes
wait till Aug/Sept

you are going to be shocked
and no more hints from me

[Sting23]

JayH yeah I see your point.  Most people in a big city are already settled, have jobs and no need to be "rescued".  I haven't been to any remote village in Ukraine or Russia so don't know how it's like there.

krimster probably had a fun time and wants to reminisce on his glory days.  Trench is the salivating dog who is eager to follow.

All of us here live in a 1st world country, have a high standard of living and don't worry when the next meal is coming.

If you are in a dire situation and know you are being exploited you still may consider it if it's better than what you currently have.

[krimster2]

"now along comes Krimster writing of his sex tourism and advocating it is there now for all to take advantage of."

yup!
my bad!

you should really ONLY go to Ukraine and look at museums and historical sites
I mean it's so crass and vulgar to coerce 20+ yr old rock-hard super models into your bed
yuch, who'd want to do a thing like that Jay?