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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1275 on: July 30, 2020, 03:25:42 AM »
Hi GQ,

Thanks for the links.

All seem to be retrospective assessments based on past patient histories.  That's not to say it's not a good starting point, just that they are not double-blind randomized trials like I guess the NIH trial was that was stopped.

Let's keep looking though, I believe there were some trials for prophylactic use before folks get infected.

 

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1276 on: July 30, 2020, 09:15:07 AM »
Hi GQ,

Thanks for the links.

All seem to be retrospective assessments based on past patient histories.  That's not to say it's not a good starting point, just that they are not double-blind randomized trials like I guess the NIH trial was that was stopped.

Let's keep looking though, I believe there were some trials for prophylactic use before folks get infected.

This is just from a novice perception, BC. Lancet had also coined this before. It appears if HCQ is administered at a very early onset of the virus, paired with the cited agents, it proves much more effective. This would actually makes sense since it'll suppress activation of our body's auto-immune system which had been credited to be what causes intubation and ultimately fatalities.

Anyway, my point is: if one in a 100, 10 in a 1000, or 90 out of a hundred (or anything in between, short of an effective vaccine at this time) survives due to its administration; cannot be a bad thing. Not to me anyway.
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2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1277 on: July 30, 2020, 02:46:21 PM »
It's super, super important that nothing works on Covid until
after the election. Anything that works or has been shown to
work MUST be destroyed. After the election everything from
Palm readers to PEZ will be a cure for Covid.

If the economy started recovering now then what would Biden
do? (Lose in a landslide).

The Dem's have already began defunding the police. What will
happen to people in the suburbs? They will vote for Trump in
droves. What will Biden do? (Lose in a landslide).
http://www.10tv.com/article/news/local/ohio/dewine-asks-ohio-pharmacy-board-to-reverse-decision-prohibiting-hydroxychloroquine-for-treating-covid-19/530-48a1b374-97a0-47a4-a737-a2d83bddec0e


Oh no! Moby is going to hyper ventilate
Yale epidemiologist: Dr. Fauci running 'misinformation campaign'
against hydroxychloroquine

http://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/yale-epidemiologist-accuses-fauci-running-disinformation-campaign

Ohio pharmacy board withdraws rule prohibiting use of
hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19

http://www.10tv.com/article/news/local/ohio/dewine-asks-ohio-pharmacy-board-to-reverse-decision-prohibiting-hydroxychloroquine-for-treating-covid-19/530-48a1b374-97a0-47a4-a737-a2d83bddec0e


The Key to Defeating COVID-19 Already Exists. We Need to Start Using It
http://www.10tv.com/article/news/local/ohio/dewine-asks-ohio-pharmacy-board-to-reverse-decision-prohibiting-hydroxychloroquine-for-treating-covid-19/530-48a1b374-97a0-47a4-a737-a2d83bddec0e



Harvey A. Risch, MD, PhD , Professor of Epidemiology, Yale School of Public Health[Moby knows somebody who took stuff
and that far exceeds any medical degree.]
http://www.newsweek.com/key-defeating-covid-19-already-exists-we-need-start-using-it-opinion-1519535

If Social Media Wants to Play Doctor, They Should Prepare To Be Sued for Malpractice
Twitter and Facebook should not be restricting legitimate medical policy debate on their platforms
http://amgreatness.com/2020/07/28/if-social-media-wants-to-play-doctor-they-should-prepare-to-be-sued-for-malpractice/

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1278 on: July 30, 2020, 03:23:29 PM »
This is just from a novice perception, BC. Lancet had also coined this before. It appears if HCQ is administered at a very early onset of the virus, paired with the cited agents, it proves much more effective. This would actually makes sense since it'll suppress activation of our body's auto-immune system which had been credited to be what causes intubation and ultimately fatalities.


Another thing killing people is their immune system isn't strong enough or reacts fast enough to stop COVID-19. Taking a medication that suppresses the immune system can increase their chances of death. Doctors can't look at someone and guess how their immune system will react with COVID-19 at any point of the battle they have with it. One minute a person is battling the disease just fine and weeks later their immune system gives up or goes into overdrive.


Former Presidential candidate Herman Cain died of COVID-19 after a month long battle. Last week he thanked supporters and said he was on the mend and hoped to go home soon.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/music/celebrity/herman-cain-mourned-by-trump-onetime-rival-mitt-romney-sean-hannity-and-more/ar-BB17nA1L?ocid=spartan-ntp-feeds


Chinese scientist in the video below escaped the country. She said the SARS-COV-2 is lab created and she will prepare a report to show how easy it can be created in the lab. She speaks English very fast with a bad accent. Had to read the subtitles.

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1279 on: July 30, 2020, 03:38:37 PM »
Another thing killing people is their immune system isn't strong enough or reacts fast enough to stop COVID-19. Taking a medication that suppresses the immune system can increase their chances of death. Doctors can't look at someone and guess how their immune system will react with COVID-19 at any point of the battle they have with it. One minute a person is battling the disease just fine and weeks later their immune system gives up or goes into overdrive.

Yes. There was also a man in India who was given HCQ and next thing you know he was faster than a speeding bullet and able to jump tall buildings in one bounce, and can actually stop a speeding freight train with one hand.

Then there's those hundreds of thousands, maybe millions, out there who got COVID and they didn't even know they actually had it, yet they are out there wearing masks making sure they don't get infected.
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1280 on: July 30, 2020, 04:17:58 PM »

GQ, it's over for HCQ. Any authority that allow the use of drugs and reviewed all the trials have given HCQ thumbs down. I have a friend who's worked in drug development and it takes years for drugs to get approval and most drugs never make it to the market. It's a long and controlled process and he's amused by the stories out there that a miracle drug can be found in a short time. Even with relaxing the rules, HCQ didn't make the cut. What are the chances of any medicine we got designed for something else being able to work with the virus of the century? Try finding a needle in a haystack. It took a very long time before they could decent treatments for HIV. Vaccines for this new coronavirus may prove to be not effective. We could be living with this virus a long time.
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1281 on: July 30, 2020, 06:20:53 PM »
GQ, it's over for HCQ. Any authority that allow the use of drugs and reviewed all the trials have given HCQ thumbs down. I have a friend who's worked in drug development and it takes years for drugs to get approval and most drugs never make it to the market. It's a long and controlled process and he's amused by the stories out there that a miracle drug can be found in a short time. Even with relaxing the rules, HCQ didn't make the cut. What are the chances of any medicine we got designed for something else being able to work with the virus of the century? Try finding a needle in a haystack. It took a very long time before they could decent treatments for HIV. Vaccines for this new coronavirus may prove to be not effective. We could be living with this virus a long time.

Not to be repetitive, dont tell me. Tell Henry Ford and Mt Sinai hospitals theyre full of sh!t because you have a friend working in drug development, man. You know how to contact them by now. Theres also that senior epedimiologist at Yale. I dont have a friend that works for a drug development department so I wont be able to give you any tip what to tell these guys, no?

Good luck!

Btw- if you succeed against those above and prove them wrong, youd more than definitely get invited as a guest speaker at CNN. If you do,make it with Erin Burnett. Shes cute and get me a 8x10 autograph picture.
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1282 on: July 30, 2020, 08:31:59 PM »
Conclusions and relevance
In this multi-hospital assessment, when controlling for COVID-19 risk factors, treatment with hydroxychloroquine alone and in combination with azithromycin was associated with reduction in COVID-19 associated mortality. Prospective trials are needed to examine this impact.


The above is from the Henry Ford link. They concluded more trials are needed. If they don't feel a need to complete all the trials necessary to get a drug approved, then they've given up. And there's no reason for anybody to call them to tell them they're wrong when their conclusion is they need more trials.
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1283 on: July 30, 2020, 09:59:42 PM »
I dont really what that means so Ill just make something up

They concluded from their study that the administration of the subject combination was associated with the reduction of COVID mortality in the over 2,000 patient cases in 6 of their hospitals. That part concluded, meaning the cases showed fewer patients died when given the combination compared to the patients who did not receive administration - a follow-up study deemed required to further examine this impact.

Best you ask your friend for clarity as you didnt seem to understand. Good thing this came up now before you contacted them. ;)
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« Reply #1284 on: July 31, 2020, 05:24:55 AM »
The above is from the Henry Ford link. They concluded more trials are needed. If they don't feel a need to complete all the trials necessary to get a drug approved, then they've given up. And there's no reason for anybody to call them to tell them they're wrong when their conclusion is they need more trials.

Billy there are literally 100's of doctors speaking out about the effectiveness of HCQ and getting silenced. They have done trials in the heat of battle both as a prophylactic and a treatment. Still they have had to battle the medical establishment and the media over a treatment of already previously approved drugs. This treatment is about $10 bucks a pop yet for some strange reason the world is spending billions and billions of dollars rushing for a vaccine that may (or may not) prevent you from getting covid in the first place. When they feel they have a vaccine rest assured it won't be given the trials they're calling for HCQ. Big Pharma and Fauci have blown smoke up your and the worlds collective ass and you're saluting it

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1285 on: July 31, 2020, 06:50:42 AM »
Billy there are literally 100's of doctors speaking out about the effectiveness of HCQ and getting silenced.  When they feel they have a vaccine rest assured it won't be given the trials they're calling for HCQ. Big Pharma and Fauci have blown smoke up your and the worlds collective ass and you're saluting it
Doesn't seem plausible that practically all the world's nations would be in on keeping HCQ a secret.  It seems most doctors don't hold out hope for HCQ as a panacea. 
That said, If people want to use it, then they should.

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1286 on: July 31, 2020, 08:12:11 AM »
Billy there are literally 100's of doctors speaking out about the effectiveness of HCQ and getting silenced. They have done trials in the heat of battle both as a prophylactic and a treatment.


Soldiers in the heat of battle don't get to see the overall picture that generals do. None of those 100s of doctors are qualified to do real trials. Not only do they need to figure out if a drug works, they need to find out how it affects people with a wide variety of diseases or on other medications. It's easy to find hundreds of people who disagree on anything. I'm not surprised hundreds of doctors spoke out but they are still outnumbered by the silent majority. Also, no authority that allows doctors to use drugs approve HCQ for emergency use anymore. After the trials, they concluded it wasn't the drug some doctors claimed it to be. I believe those authorities do care about the American people and want to get it right. They don't want a drug floating around doing little to help and a lot to hurt. Drugs that are prescribed are controlled for a reason. If you don't believe the authorities on drugs, you'd have to believe there is a conspiracy.


That said, If people want to use it, then they should.


HCQ is not approved for emergency use anymore. They've allowed doctors to use other replacements for emergency use. Like treatments for HIV, it may take years to create a working drug to treat COVID-19.
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1287 on: July 31, 2020, 08:28:17 AM »
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« Reply #1288 on: July 31, 2020, 08:36:37 AM »
Soldiers in the heat of battle don't get to see the overall picture that generals do. None of those 100s of doctors are qualified to do real trials. Not only do they need to figure out if a drug works, they need to find out how it affects people with a wide variety of diseases or on other medications. It's easy to find hundreds of people who disagree on anything. I'm not surprised hundreds of doctors spoke out but they are still outnumbered by the silent majority. Also, no authority that allows doctors to use drugs approve HCQ for emergency use anymore. After the trials, they concluded it wasn't the drug some doctors claimed it to be. I believe those authorities do care about the American people and want to get it right. They don't want a drug floating around doing little to help and a lot to hurt. Drugs that are prescribed are controlled for a reason. If you don't believe the authorities on drugs, you'd have to believe there is a conspiracy.


Silent majority? You mean the silent majority that is silencing doctors on the front line actually treating covid patients with much success rather than following the protocols of the WHO and CDC? These doctors are using those previously approved drugs to treat their patients rather than taking orders from the medical cabal that apparently has other interest than actually treating the infected. You're drinking the kool-aid Billy

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1289 on: July 31, 2020, 08:49:14 AM »
Doesn't seem plausible that practically all the world's nations would be in on keeping HCQ a secret.  It seems most doctors don't hold out hope for HCQ as a panacea.

Don't be surprised what our societies, domestic or international can actually do these days. Especially when it involves global pharmas. I mean look at what the likes of George Soros can do these days? Look at what Google, Facebook, the media are actively doing today? Look what our own government had done with the whole Russian collusion BS?

The irony in this entire period is Anthony Fauci is shooting 50% during this entire virus saga. He is just as wrong as he is right. Even the 'right' is questionable considering they came after. Yet, people hang their every belief in everything he said.

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1290 on: July 31, 2020, 08:50:11 AM »
Doesn't seem plausible that practically all the world's nations would be in on keeping HCQ a secret.  It seems most doctors don't hold out hope for HCQ as a panacea. 
That said, If people want to use it, then they should.

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Why wouldn't it be plausible? HCQ is more every day being revealed as a treatment that is working if applied in time.

The world's nations we also shunned and pointed fingers at Sweden's approach which, btw was the same approach every nation used for prior viruses to covid, herd immunity. Sweden never shut down nor had a mask mandate. They'll end up having less deaths than most comparable countries as a result.

Bottom line is The entire situation was misdirected worldwide  as a result of China, the WHO and the CDC. Now we should still adhere to the advice that is wrong and continually rubber stamped as accurate with little to no science to support it? Remember most that are infected and still less than 1% of those actually die.

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1291 on: July 31, 2020, 10:04:23 AM »
Silent majority? You mean the silent majority that is silencing doctors on the front line actually treating covid patients with much success rather than following the protocols of the WHO and CDC?


A lot of doctors aren't having success with HCQ and are promoting something else to WHO, FDA and the CDC. Those organizations have given emergency approval for doctors to use those something else drugs. Sure a few hundred doctors are sticking to the story HCQ works. The left wing media doesn't promote them but the right wing media does so they aren't completely silent. WHO, FDA and CDC wants something to work on humanity. They gave HCQ a shot and it wasn't what was claimed to be by some doctors. How much more money and time you want to spend on HCQ sending it through trials? The money and time is better spent on other existing drugs that show promise or to develop an all new treatment made exclusively for COVID. The Mueller investigation was long, expensive and thorough. Some people don't want to let it go. It's time to let HCQ go.
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1292 on: July 31, 2020, 10:12:57 AM »
Trump supporters dont wear no stinkin masks!
Yee-haw, macho up and the virus can't see you!
this is why Trump doesnt want yall to wear masks!!
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« Reply #1293 on: July 31, 2020, 11:37:43 AM »
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« Reply #1294 on: August 02, 2020, 08:43:24 AM »
Can the president come across any more of an idiot?

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/01/trump-covid-19-fauci-cases-testing

Donald Trump claims Anthony Fauci wrong about cause of Covid-19 surge


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« Reply #1295 on: August 02, 2020, 09:16:36 AM »
BBC News - Coronavirus: The bogus meme targeting Dr Fauci, and other fake claims
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/53601027

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« Reply #1296 on: August 02, 2020, 09:32:26 AM »
Can the president come across any more of an idiot?

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/01/trump-covid-19-fauci-cases-testing

Donald Trump claims Anthony Fauci wrong about cause of Covid-19 surge

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1297 on: August 02, 2020, 05:50:35 PM »
Why wouldn't it be plausible? HCQ is more every day being revealed as a treatment that is working if applied in time.

The world's nations we also shunned and pointed fingers at Sweden's approach which, btw was the same approach every nation used for prior viruses to covid, herd immunity. Sweden never shut down nor had a mask mandate. They'll end up having less deaths than most comparable countries as a result.

Bottom line is The entire situation was misdirected worldwide  as a result of China, the WHO and the CDC. Now we should still adhere to the advice that is wrong and continually rubber stamped as accurate with little to no science to support it? Remember most that are infected and still less than 1% of those actually die.

HCQ has been used successfully by Brazil and Switzerland.

As 2TallBill has mentioned above or elsewhere Fauci is running a deliberate smear campaign against it.
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1298 on: August 02, 2020, 10:20:35 PM »
HCQ has been used successfully by Brazil and Switzerland.

As 2TallBill has mentioned above or elsewhere Fauci is running a deliberate smear campaign against it.

Con,

http://www.bag.admin.ch/bag/de/home/medizin-und-forschung/heilmittel/covid19_vo_2.html

According to the official Swiss healthcare website:

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« Reply #1299 on: August 02, 2020, 10:40:38 PM »
Article below says HCQ been in over 350 studies which is near double of any other drug. They point out flaws in even the most promising study saying "In the Henry Ford trial, patients that got hydroxychloroquine were about five years younger, on average, than those who didnt, Schluger says. We know that age is the single strongest predictor of mortality from this illness.

http://www.sciencenews.org/article/covid-19-coronavirus-hydroxychloroquine-no-evidence-treatment

How much more time and money some of you guys want to dump into studies about a medicine that was designed for another illness thinking it be the miracle treatment against the virus of the century?

My local newspaper put out interesting stats. People 80 years and older in my state have a 51% chance in dying from COVID-19. Ages 60-79 have a 38% chance in dying. Ages 40-59 have a 9% chance in dying. Ages 20-39 have a 2% chance in dying. Some of you guys may want to alter your behavior and I don't mean by partying more.
Do your part to limit the spread of COVID-19

 

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