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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #2400 on: April 07, 2021, 02:01:58 AM »
A recent report that apparently some people develop mental illness as a result of having Covid:

"COVID-19 linked to increased risk of psychiatric and neurological conditions

Findings from a new study suggest contracting coronavirus is "robustly associated" with an increased risk of developing mental health and neurological conditions in the six months after a diagnosis.

University of Oxford researchers looked at the TriNetX electronic 2020 health records of more than 230,000 COVID-19 patients who were mostly from the US.
Published in The Lancet Psychiatry journal, the study estimated that one in three COVID-19 survivors (34%) were diagnosed with a neurological or psychiatric condition within six months of being infected.
And 13% were given their first neurological or psychiatric diagnosis, researchers found.
The findings also suggested that the incidence of such conditions rose with the severity of a COVID case.

It found that a neurological or psychiatric diagnosis occurring in 39% of those who were admitted to hospital, 46% of those in intensive care, and 62% in those who had encephalopathy - described as "delirium and other altered mental states" - when they had COVID."

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #2401 on: April 07, 2021, 05:18:36 AM »
A recent report that apparently some people develop mental illness as a result of having Covid:

"COVID-19 linked to increased risk of psychiatric and neurological conditions

Findings from a new study suggest contracting coronavirus is "robustly associated" with an increased risk of developing mental health and neurological conditions in the six months after a diagnosis.

University of Oxford researchers looked at the TriNetX electronic 2020 health records of more than 230,000 COVID-19 patients who were mostly from the US.
Published in The Lancet Psychiatry journal, the study estimated that one in three COVID-19 survivors (34%) were diagnosed with a neurological or psychiatric condition within six months of being infected.
And 13% were given their first neurological or psychiatric diagnosis, researchers found.
The findings also suggested that the incidence of such conditions rose with the severity of a COVID case.

It found that a neurological or psychiatric diagnosis occurring in 39% of those who were admitted to hospital, 46% of those in intensive care, and 62% in those who had encephalopathy - described as "delirium and other altered mental states" - when they had COVID."

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Considering the behaviour of those most likely to get the virus currently (anti-mask, protected by God) I think the correlation is not with medical reason.
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #2402 on: April 07, 2021, 07:48:36 AM »

The only thing that may upset that are mutant varients and countries slow to vaccinate like the EU.


We should be concerned about mutant variants.  It's all about numbers. 

A greater number of infections results in a greater number of mutations, one of which could be more virulent than the existing strains.  Thus, the more people who become immunized, the lower the risk of the emergence of a more dangerous mutant. 

BTW, part of the the Pfizer clinical trials were conducted in South Africa, and not one immunized subject became infected with the South African  "B.1.351 lineage" there. 

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #2403 on: April 07, 2021, 08:47:35 AM »



European Medicines Agencies find possible connection with blod clots that can lead to death from the AstraZeneca vaccine but benefits outweigh the risks. AstraZeneca takes their name off the vaccine and calls it something else. Bad publicity can make a company do that. Now that we have choices, they won't ask if you prefer AstraZeneca. They will ask if you prefer Vaxzevria.


http://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/astrazenecas-covid-19-vaccine-ema-finds-possible-link-very-rare-cases-unusual-blood-clots-low-blood
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #2404 on: April 07, 2021, 11:01:51 AM »


European Medicines Agencies find possible connection with blod clots that can lead to death from the AstraZeneca vaccine but benefits outweigh the risks. AstraZeneca takes their name off the vaccine and calls it something else. Bad publicity can make a company do that. Now that we have choices, they won't ask if you prefer AstraZeneca. They will ask if you prefer Vaxzevria.


http://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/astrazenecas-covid-19-vaccine-ema-finds-possible-link-very-rare-cases-unusual-blood-clots-low-blood


Yeah it's not the kind of move to instill confidence and kind of like they want to distance themselves from it in case it goes bad. Main concern is probably if there are any long term issues and we'll only know that in the long term. Currently I think the thinking is if problems don't materialise in around a couple of weeks things will be ok. This Dr tends to suggest that though I guess nothing is assured:

http://www.google.com/amp/s/www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/astrazeneca-blood-clot-symptoms-warning-20333488.amp
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #2405 on: April 07, 2021, 12:42:55 PM »


79 cases of blood clotting and 19 deaths after taking the vaccine in the UK. You feeling okay Trench?

http://www.theepochtimes.com/uk-death-toll-from-blood-clots-after-astrazeneca-jab-rises-to-19_3766101.html


UK government data dated Mar, 31, 2012 pertaining to the new wave. This is big news you won't see in the media. They have excuses for the statements written below, but who knows, these events could be the beginning of the mass depopulation scenario that experts predicted may happen. So far it seems when a vaccine fails to do it's job, a person has a greater chance of severe illness and death compared to people who didn't take a vaccine.

32. The resurgence in both hospitalisations and deaths is dominated by those that have received two doses of the vaccine, comprising around 60% and 70% of the wave respectively. This can be attributed to the high levels of uptake in the most at-risk age groups, such that immunisation failures account for more serious illness than unvaccinated individuals. This is discussed further in paragraphs 55 and 56.

56. This shows that most deaths and admissions in a post-Roadmap resurgence are in people who have received two vaccine doses, even without vaccine protection waning or a variant emerging that escapes vaccines. This is because vaccine uptake has been so high in the oldest age groups (modelled here at 95% in the over 50-year olds). There are therefore 5% of over 50-year olds who have not been vaccinated, and 95% x 10% = 9.5% of over 50-year olds who are vaccinated but, nevertheless, not protected against death. This is not the result of vaccines being ineffective, merely uptake being so high.

http://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/975909/S1182_SPI-M-O_Summary_of_modelling_of_easing_roadmap_step_2_restrictions.pdf
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #2406 on: April 07, 2021, 12:45:17 PM »
Now that we have choices, they won't ask if you prefer AstraZeneca. They will ask if you prefer Vaxzevria.

I think I will just stick with females.
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #2407 on: April 07, 2021, 02:57:36 PM »

79 cases of blood clotting and 19 deaths after taking the vaccine in the UK. You feeling okay Trench?

So far, Lol :-\

I guess not being female may help me, apparently.
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #2408 on: April 07, 2021, 03:20:57 PM »
So far, Lol :-\

I guess not being female may help me, apparently.


It's been killing females 2 to 1 over males. It'll be harder to find a wife when this is over.
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #2409 on: April 07, 2021, 04:25:36 PM »


Remember Biden's Secretary of Transportation deceiving us on how he gets to work? Here's another Biden official that mistakenly thought the cameras were on the podium. It's apparent they run around without a mask and only put it on for the cameras.

http://gab.com/PepeLivesMatter17/posts/106019679353509492
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« Reply #2410 on: April 08, 2021, 10:44:45 AM »
Great news everybody! The details are being talked about by Biden and Democratic governors. From the party that brought us the slogan "My Body, My Choice", they want to create papers that will allow us all kinds of benefits. It'll be called Vaccination passport. With these papers we will be able to cross state lines, fly on airplanes, go to concerts and movie theaters and more! All we have to do is show the papers to the authorities and we will be able to enjoy more freedoms over those who do not comply with the steps necessary to obtain those papers.
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« Reply #2411 on: April 08, 2021, 11:23:21 AM »

It's been killing females 2 to 1 over males. It'll be harder to find a wife when this is over.

On paper, but if it's doing in fat chicks it will make no difference in reality ;D
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« Reply #2412 on: April 08, 2021, 12:12:06 PM »
Great news everybody! The details are being talked about by Biden and Democratic governors. From the party that brought us the slogan "My Body, My Choice", they want to create papers that will allow us all kinds of benefits. It'll be called Vaccination passport. With these papers we will be able to cross state lines, fly on airplanes, go to concerts and movie theaters and more! All we have to do is show the papers to the authorities and we will be able to enjoy more freedoms over those who do not comply with the steps necessary to obtain those papers.

May be the least of our worries, apparently a new super variant of the virus has reared its head in Brazil comprising of 18 mutations which is huge compared to the double variant found in India recently. Looks like Brazil letting the virus run loose is allowing for a lot of mutations in the virus, some learning to be done here I think.

http://www.aa.com.tr/en/americas/brazil-finds-new-virus-variant-combining-18-mutations/2201998
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #2413 on: April 08, 2021, 06:42:37 PM »
On paper, but if it's doing in fat chicks it will make no difference in reality ;D

Trench, please don't bring the wrath of Femem down on the board. :cluebat:

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« Reply #2414 on: April 08, 2021, 07:30:09 PM »
Trench, please don't bring the wrath of Femem down on the board. :cluebat:

Femen (Ukrainian: Фемен), stylized as FEMEN, is a radical feminist activist group whose goal is to protect women's rights. The organization became internationally known for organizing controversial topless protests against sex tourism, religious institutions, sexism, homophobia, and other social, national, and international topics.


They would be a welcomed addition to the board :P
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« Reply #2415 on: April 08, 2021, 08:36:03 PM »

They would be a welcomed addition to the board :P


They are also known for being antifa rioters.
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« Reply #2416 on: April 09, 2021, 09:34:10 AM »
Trench, please don't bring the wrath of Femem down on the board. :cluebat:


Lol, Putin will soon sort them out if he Invades :D
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« Reply #2417 on: April 09, 2021, 09:35:34 AM »
Billy, are you still sure on going for the Johnson & Johnson jab?

"COVID-19: EU regulator reviewing possible links between Johnson & Johnson jab and blood clots | World News | Sky News" http://news.sky.com/story/amp/eu-regulator-reviewing-possible-links-between-johnson-johnson-jab-and-blood-clots-12270444
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #2418 on: April 09, 2021, 03:22:48 PM »
Higher ratio of people develop blood clot from flying than the ratio for people taking Astra Zeneca vaccine.

The review pooled results of nine trials comparing people who wore below-knee compression stockings with those who didnt on flights lasting at least four hours. One in 1,000 healthy people wearing compression stockings developed a symptomless clot compared with 10 per 1,000 who didnt wear them. In people with additional risk factors, stockings reduced risk from 30 cases per 1,000 down to 3 per 1,000.

http://evidence.nihr.ac.uk/alert/long-haul-flyers-could-reduce-risk-of-leg-blood-clots-with-compression-stockings/#:~:text=In%20the%20nine%20pooled%20trials,who%20didn't%20wear%20stockings.

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #2419 on: April 10, 2021, 03:06:31 AM »
Even still this isn't looking good:

"New blood condition linked to AstraZeneca jab as J&J vaccine is investigated over blood clots | Evening Standard" http://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/capillary-leak-syndrome-astrazeneca-jab-johnson-and-johnson-jab-blood-clots-b928950.html?amp

These case numbers are if course tiny at the moment. The hope is that several weeks after taking the vaccine (if there is any link to these conditions) then the patient will be past the risk stage and will be safe and that the numbers potentially at risk will remain tiny. The fear of course is that of any longer term problems here, odds of that are probably that they are hopefully are none as the antibodies will have been produced and everything will be stable. We will just have to see how things go on this I guess.
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #2420 on: April 11, 2021, 01:53:47 AM »
A recent study has found that the South African varient can get through the Pfizer vaccine:

"Coronavirus latest news: South Africa variant can 'break through' Pfizer's vaccine" http://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-news-covid-vaccine-astrazeneca-lockdown-travel-rules/amp/

The South African variant can get through the Astra Zenaca vaccine with it apparently giving as little as 10 percent or so protection though it tends to stop more serious cases of it. Apparently the Astra Zenaca Vaccine is effective against the UK varient of the virus.

Meanwhile case numbers in UK have levelled off again around 3,000 infected a day in the UK. We're soon to come out of lockdown but I'm not so sure that the infection number won't start climbing again. Much of the population now vaccinated mainly down towards the 40s age group but the varients from South Africa and elsewhere could soon pose a problem I think.
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #2421 on: April 11, 2021, 08:17:42 AM »
Gator wrote: BTW, part of the the Pfizer clinical trials were conducted in South Africa, and not one immunized subject became infected with the South African  "B.1.351 lineage" there.

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A recent study has found that the South African variant can get through the Pfizer vaccine:

"Coronavirus latest news: South Africa variant can 'break through' Pfizer's vaccine" http://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-news-covid-vaccine-astrazeneca-lockdown-travel-rules/amp/

= = = = = = = =

So which of the above is the truth ???

Or is one just an update at a later time ?
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #2422 on: April 11, 2021, 10:00:03 AM »
Higher ratio of people develop blood clot from flying than the ratio for people taking Astra Zeneca vaccine.

The review pooled results of nine trials comparing people who wore below-knee compression stockings with those who didnt on flights lasting at least four hours. One in 1,000 healthy people wearing compression stockings developed a symptomless clot compared with 10 per 1,000 who didnt wear them. In people with additional risk factors, stockings reduced risk from 30 cases per 1,000 down to 3 per 1,000.

http://evidence.nihr.ac.uk/alert/long-haul-flyers-could-reduce-risk-of-leg-blood-clots-with-compression-stockings/#:~:text=In%20the%20nine%20pooled%20trials,who%20didn't%20wear%20stockings.


Over 220,000 people fly through Heathrow airport everyday which is more people getting vaccinated in the UK everyday yet they haven't reported 19 passengers dying due to blot clots in the last few months. I'm pretty sure the severity of blot clots one gets from the vaccines is worse than the one on airplanes.




Billy, are you still sure on going for the Johnson & Johnson jab?

"COVID-19: EU regulator reviewing possible links between Johnson & Johnson jab and blood clots | World News | Sky News" http://news.sky.com/story/amp/eu-regulator-reviewing-possible-links-between-johnson-johnson-jab-and-blood-clots-12270444


I'm still waiting and seeing before making a decision. J & J is similar to AstraZeneca. Also is its not looking good for J & J's rollout since some vaccination stations stopped J & J from being administered until further investigation.


http://www.denverpost.com/2021/04/07/vaccine-reaction-dicks-sporting-goods-park/

http://www.yahoo.com/news/north-carolina-sites-halt-j-000205052.html


Some experts say we need to vaccinate as quickly as possible so the virus doesn't mutate. Other experts say we are making a big mistake. Mutations tend to be weaker than the original virus and our bodies that encountered the original would more easily handle mutations. They say we've never took actions against pathogens in a pandemic like we've taken now. They fear the rushed vaccines would make our immune systems dysfunctional and later mutations will bypass not on the vaccine, but our dysfunctional immune systems which could lead to mass depopulation. Two of these experts are the ex VP and Chief science officer of Pfizer and ex Senior project manager of epidemics for the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.
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« Reply #2423 on: April 11, 2021, 05:06:06 PM »

So which of the above is the truth ???

Both, see below.

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Or is one just an update at a later time ?

Two different studies; news releases are 9 days apart.  . 


My comment came from a 1 April Pfizer press release, updating the continuing study of participants in its clinical trials used by the FDA to grant emergency approval on December 11, 2020. 

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In South Africa, where the B.1.351 lineage [ed. South African variant] is prevalent and 800 participants were enrolled, nine cases of COVID-19 were observed, all in the placebo group, indicating vaccine efficacy of 100% (95% CI, [53.5, 100.0]). In an exploratory analysis, the nine strains were sequenced and six of the nine were confirmed to be of the B.1.351 lineage. These data support previous results from immunogenicity studies demonstrating that BNT162b2 induced a robust neutralizing antibody response to the B1.351 variant, and although lower than to the wild-type strain, it does not appear to affect the high observed efficacy against this variant.

http://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-confirm-high-efficacy-and-no-serious

Trenchcoat's comment came from a study released 10 April.    The Telegraph called it a "real-world data" study in Israel.  I have no idea what "real-world data" means, especially considering it  compared only 400 COVID cases.  About "one percent" of the studied cases were sequenced as the South African variant.  The Telegraph's headline ignores the most important finding: 

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Results from the study showed that there were no reported cases of B.1.351 in fully vaccinated individuals who had received their second dose more then 14-days prior.

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #2424 on: April 12, 2021, 09:13:46 AM »



Slovakia questions the quality of the Russian vaccine sent to them. Instead of proving the vaccine is up to standards, Russia tells them to send the 200,000 doses back.

http://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-demanded-200-000-sputnik-120744748.html


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