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I received a meeting postponement notice at 4:30 this morning. We are scheduled to meet internally to discuss the daily changes and adjustment we need to do with our company going forward.

I think the majority of (SoCal) Californians are taking heed on what they're being asked to do. The attached picture below shows you what the freeways look like at 6:30 this morning. Usually you'll see all the freeway would be in blood red depicting traffic jams in almost all direction. I have never seen this happen in LA. Not 911, not during the LA riots, etc...

The lone, misguided dude in SoCal is fathertime who apparently have a serious egg addiction.
First, I got the eggs for my family...I rarely eat them myself. 

I drove some today through North LA and the Inland Empire.  Less traffic for sure, but still plenty of cars on the road.  Parking lots full, and the business in front of me (Which is very non-essential) was up and running, although the cute little girlies there tell me this is their last day. 

Went to 99Cent store today just for fun.   It had more stuff than expected, got some bacon, bananas, and even a loaf of 'healthy' bread.  The vegetables and fruits were aplenty. 

Overall, did a healthy business today....although I don't expect to be open for much longer to the public, until the situation settles down. Perhaps I'll just tinker about, and organize for a few days.   

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THE NEXT CONCERN - THE ECONOMY
 

            -  This will be the first time in history that our nation purposefully created a recession.
         

This is very inaccurate wording.

No one created a recession on purpose.

A recession is following appropriate actions that are being taken to lessen the death toll of our citizens.

I think it is ridiculous that certain partisan republicans are trying to word things in such a way as to make it seem like the democrats are causing this recession.  It really seems to be an outside force that nobody has much control over.  It seems that this virus is going to shorten a lot of lives yet Some would rather complain about 'trump's economy getting shafted', and it is the 'evil democrats' doing. 

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I think his point was that no one will be turned away in systems with universal healthcare.

In these times the capacity of some hospitals will exceeded.  When no staffed beds are available,  no new patient is getting a bed whether the system is private insurance or universal healthcare.  Patients will be triaged, and some will be turned away. 


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All patients have beds. The bed in their house works as good as the bed in the hospital. There is no cure or treatment a hospital can give a person infected with the coronavirus. Their immune system has to beat the virus. The only people that should be going to the hospital are those that need assistance to breathe.

There's a few hotels in my area that's been bought and most rooms are empty. When China finished building their hospitals in 10 days that can take 1500 patients, the infection rate skyrocketed faster than they were building rooms at one point. Buying hotels get more rooms in a shorter time.

Hospitals play a role but government plays a bigger role. Failure to act properly and fast enough can cause more damage to the economy, overload hospitals and cost lives.
Do your part to limit the spread of COVID-19

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She doesn't want to come to the UK. Russia doesn't want you. So you must expect to be separated for as long as governments ban travel and foreign nationals. You can expect to be separated for years. In Maxx's thread you said nobody seen this coming. You were warned in January with travel bans being place on Chinese. How can you watch the sh!tshow in China all through January and February and not think that virus would come to your shores?

I must have believed 'Trampu' ? ...
« Last Edit: March 21, 2020, 01:24:39 AM by msmob »
We'll be back, EU ..and as a certain 'gentleman' couldn't accept my offer to 'bury the hatchet' .. Don't trust a clueless Californian 'business owner' who cannot even quote me, honestly ..

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Wow lots of posts since my last reply. Doing good. Tested negative on the flu test so I'm in the quarantine area. Still able to work remotely even though I don't have to. Hell, it's boring so why not.

By this point docs say if I'd have had an immune overreaction it would have happened by now (intubation, fluid, etc.) So at least I'm a 'Mild' case.

Still sucks worse than a regular flu. Told my boss but haven't posted in Social Media. Since people will do what they do best and panic.

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Great to hear you are doing better Ivan!  Guess can't wish you a speedy quarantine but in a way, you are helping others by not passing it on.

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In these times the capacity of some hospitals will exceeded.  When no staffed beds are available,  no new patient is getting a bed whether the system is private insurance or universal healthcare.  Patients will be triaged, and some will be turned away.

A hospital waiting room and parking lot is packed full of patients with coughing, fever and respiratory problems, they all have filled out their forms, ticking the box "Do you have insurance?" or filling the blank with "Who is your health insurance company?"  The hospital is packed and some will have to be turned away. Who will the hospital turn away?  Will non-medical factors be a part of the triage process?

Two patients arrive at a hospital at the same time, both cases need to be admitted to ICU with pretty much same prognosis.  One is covered by the healthcare network the hospital uses, the other not, or not insured.  Only one ICU bed is available.  Which patient should this hospital admit?  Will the patients and families feel they are being treated equally?  Doctors having to make hard choices is tough enough, it might even come down to a flip of the coin..  but having to discriminate based on insurance coverage?  How about two patients within the same 'network' but with different levels of coverage?

All this sound outlandish?  Yesterday, the answer would be 'Of course this won't happen!'  Today or tomorrow the answer may be a bit different..

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That hasn't escaped me. Tit for tat! But that's BC's point regarding universal care by pointing out US hospitals are already requesting assistance. Any system will be flexed when hit with unforeseen condition. So your 'point' can, or should be, directed at his since the situation in Italy where he is already well underway. No advantages there. Zip. Nada. Zilch. Zero. There, it seems they're BEYOND government funding since they're already going GoFundMe already.

He sounds like a used car salesman who drove in with a lemon, attempting to convince anyone it's a lean, mean driving machine.

I was quite clear agreeing that any system can become overloaded. 

The points I was trying to bring out with my posts:

One contact point and one message for all - here each region (state) has a dedicated toll free number to call for information and instructions.
More coordinated testing efforts along with being able to better collect and report data - leading to better and quicker decisionmaking.
No 'sorry you are not in our network' go find another when someone needs testing.
Patients don't lose their health insurance when they are laid off reducing stress, panic and additional economic risks.
Easier identification of which hospitals needs supplies along with supply procedures and logistics already in place.
Folks needing care are more likely to seek help and get tested, no one asks themselves 'Can I afford to see a doc or go to the hospital.'
and the list goes on and on....

I am not even saying that the system here is perfect or works without any kinks.  But this 'experience' should give pause for thought and not be outright 'dissed' because of the pejorative use of words such as 'that is socialist!!'.

Heck, I have expressed in the past that I don't agree with Bernie's plan.  I don't agree that private insurance needs to be banned.  Most Americans do want some form of universal healthcare and solutions abound all around the world if we are willing to open our eyes.

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Just went to the State Dept Website, the advice given Thursday not to travel abroad is more than advice,, Its a Level 4 Travel Warning. Further, all Americans abroad need to return home now, or they might be stuck for a long period of time. It appears to me the USA is gearing up for a full national lockdown that goes for months.
  If so, There goes my May trip to see my GF

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GenMish,

For those that do get the 'bug' and survive, hopefully some resistance will have been acquired.  Once testing is more widespread and cannot infect others they are likely those that will have the first step out their doors with more free movement.  It may come down to .gov providing certifications.  Those that test negative will likely have to watch out and stay more isolated for some time to come. 

May does seem a bit early.  I don't foresee all restrictions including travel being lifted this year. :/

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All patients have beds. The bed in their house works as good as the bed in the hospital. There is no cure or treatment a hospital can give a person infected with the coronavirus. Their immune system has to beat the virus. The only people that should be going to the hospital are those that need assistance to breathe.

That’s exactly right. Telemed, RingCentral, eHealth, TeleHealth, etc have long existed that dramatically minimized hospitalization. These are even more widely used now because they encouraged people NOT to come to hospitals for treatment as there currently is no cure for CoVID-10 at this time. Your hospital beds are your beds at home. 80-90% of infection are classified as ‘mild’. As of today, in the US, confirmed cases is currently at 19.8k, serious/critical case - presumably those requiring hospitalization - is at 64. The majority of the infected are likely in self isolation at their respective homes.

The use of hydro/chloroquine in combination of azithromycin is reportedly making significant result in France and/or So Korea, IINM as therapy drug. Their rate of recovery had been impressive. I’m not sure what the reason why there’s apprehension in the US medical association in using this right now.
« Last Edit: March 21, 2020, 05:21:11 AM by GQBlues »
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1. Because of 'man', global warming is causing desert and arid areas to suffer long, dry spell.
2. The 2018 Camp Fire and Woolsey California wildfires are forests burning because of global warming.
3. N95 mask will choke you dead after 30 min. of use.

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Also was pleased when Donnie called out some reporters, and one in particular, for asking ridiculous questions designed to lead to panic.  He told the guy he was a terrible reporter and should be ashamed of himself.

Of course a couple of other reporters tried to get in their questions about what message this sends when Donnie 'goes off' on a member of press.

I don't know why Donnie doesn't just refuse to recognize some of these folks when they try to ask questions.

Wifey was extremely pleased when she saw it while working from home. She said she had to stopped working and watched it intently on TV. She couldn’t wait to text me at work if I was listening to the presser. So she sent me the link once it was spliced on YouTube


This idiot, Peter Alexander, was likely stooged by NBC’s Chuck Todd to do this at the presser. There’s just no stopping these loony liberals.
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1. Because of 'man', global warming is causing desert and arid areas to suffer long, dry spell.
2. The 2018 Camp Fire and Woolsey California wildfires are forests burning because of global warming.
3. N95 mask will choke you dead after 30 min. of use.

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Going/staying home is also suggested here for mild cases or those that have not become more serious.  Just an idea of goings-on Italy wide:

Out of 37860 still infected yesterday, 19185 (50%)are home quarantine, 16020 (42%) serious enough to be admitted to hospital plus 2655 (7)% in intensive care.

Of course, there are more cases out there so this just to give a quick gauge on proportions at this time with intensive care patients representing about 16% of hospitalizations.  A lot of folks are on oxygen or forced oxygen that requires close monitoring, meds infusions etc.

I'm pretty sure they are trying to keep everyone they can home.

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I don't foresee all restrictions including travel being lifted this year. :/

Wifey and I are resigned to being apart for another 7 months ... please don't make it any worse ;)
We'll be back, EU ..and as a certain 'gentleman' couldn't accept my offer to 'bury the hatchet' .. Don't trust a clueless Californian 'business owner' who cannot even quote me, honestly ..

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Wifey and I are resigned to being apart for another 7 months ... please don't make it any worse ;)


I was wondering how SC was doing. Why 7 months? I have only glanced at this thread.

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I think it is ridiculous that certain partisan republicans are trying to word things in such a way as to make it seem like the democrats are causing this recession.  It really seems to be an outside force that nobody has much control over.  It seems that this virus is going to shorten a lot of lives yet Some would rather complain about 'trump's economy getting shafted', and it is the 'evil democrats' doing. 

Fathertime!

I think it is ridiculous that certain partisan demoncrats are trying to word things in such a way as to blame this virus on Trump.  All of this partisan crap needs to stop and everyone needs to work toward getting this country back on it's feet.
« Last Edit: March 21, 2020, 01:11:48 PM by Brillynt »
Moobs the man child still thinks he knows everything about everything, and is a legend in his own mind.

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I think it is ridiculous that certain partisan demoncrats are trying to word things in such a way as to blame this virus on Trump. 
Trump is not to be blamed for the virus itself.  People that attempt that take look ridiculous.

All of this partisan crap needs to stop and everyone need to work to getting this country back on it's feet.

I don't think partisanship is going to end any time soon.  Listening to the utter right wing rancor on talk radio will continue to fuel  the right wing.   Let's see how much a toll this virus takes.  While I'm no longer a conservative, I do listen to the right wing view on talk radio, and currently I find it to be extremely destructive and unrealistic for the most part.  There are a lot of people that buy in though. 

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I don't know if it has been mentioned by others here, but after the economy recovers, the worst lasting result from all of this will be . . .

MASSIVE INFLATION.

Those who hold hard assets (real estate, gold, etc.) will have windfall gains.

For real estate, those gains will have to wait until buyers recover enough to move forward.
Inflation verses Deflation.   
I can see how it could go either way, but I lean towards inflation also.    The dollar has been very strong in recent weeks especially, but my guess is that it is peaking.  This week, when 1 trillion dollar bailouts, stimulus are going to be passed and sent around, that should lower the dollar and keep money flowing to the unemployed populace to some extent.    I can't see deflation happening, but then again, if the virus took a massive human toll there would presumably be a lot of empty homes, and excess commodities which could drive prices lower.  My gut says we won't have a human toll as bad as forecasted, which could just be wishful thinking on my part.

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I think it is ridiculous that certain partisan demoncrats are trying to word things in such a way as to blame this virus on Trump.  All of this partisan crap needs to stop and everyone need to work to getting this country back on it's feet.


I find this true of the men of this board. I like GQ and I like Moby. Recently Ilona and I are in communication. These are times to put our differences aside and help each other with words of kindness and encouragement. I know I've been a $hit at times. Sorry about that! "Peace" as they used to say in my time.

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Wow lots of posts since my last reply. Doing good. Tested negative on the flu test so I'm in the quarantine area. Still able to work remotely even though I don't have to. Hell, it's boring so why not.

By this point docs say if I'd have had an immune overreaction it would have happened by now (intubation, fluid, etc.) So at least I'm a 'Mild' case.

Still sucks worse than a regular flu. Told my boss but haven't posted in Social Media. Since people will do what they do best and panic.
Good luck with recovery.   How have you quarantined yourself?  I suspect if anyone in my household gets it, we will all get it as everything is shared. 

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My gut says we won't have a human toll as bad as forecasted, which could just be wishful thinking on my part.

Fathertime!


I sure hope you are right.


The dollar here in Georgia went from 2.8 GEL to the USD to 3.22 GEL to the USD in a matter of a week. My business landlord agreed to wave my rent for the months of April and May. What comes after that I do not know. 

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The use of hydro/chloroquine in combination of azithromycin is reportedly making significant result in France and/or So Korea, IINM as therapy drug. Their rate of recovery had been impressive. I’m not sure what the reason why there’s apprehension in the US medical association in using this right now.



Trump wants some of those drugs approved and the FDA is working on it. Doctors around the world should be allowed to experiment with various drugs. The ones you mentioned above should not be crowned the best without further testing. We may come to learn that nothing works. Until WHO or the CDC says on their website they found something, assume nothing works. Here's who's answer the question on cures and treatments at their website. One thing American doctors are doing is trying to boost the immune systems of COVID-19 patients.



[size=1rem]Are there any medicines or therapies that can prevent or cure COVID-19?[/size]

While some western, traditional or home remedies may provide comfort and alleviate symptoms of COVID-19, there is no evidence that current medicine can prevent or cure the disease. WHO does not recommend self-medication with any medicines, including antibiotics, as a prevention or cure for COVID-19. However, there are several ongoing clinical trials that include both western and traditional medicines. WHO will continue to provide updated information as soon as clinical findings are available.
Do your part to limit the spread of COVID-19

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Wow lots of posts since my last reply. Doing good. Tested negative on the flu test so I'm in the quarantine area. Still able to work remotely even though I don't have to. Hell, it's boring so why not.

By this point docs say if I'd have had an immune overreaction it would have happened by now (intubation, fluid, etc.) So at least I'm a 'Mild' case.

Still sucks worse than a regular flu. Told my boss but haven't posted in Social Media. Since people will do what they do best and panic.

Hope you get well soon. You're younger than most of us and have a stronger immune system. If they tested you for flu, does that mean they didn't test you for COVID-19? If they didn't test you for COVID-19, what was their reasoning? With you having mild symptom and being in the quarantine area, it's a good sign the hospital isn't overloaded to the point they would send people with mild symptoms home to self quarantine.

The dollar here in Georgia went from 2.8 GEL to the USD to 3.22 GEL to the USD in a matter of a week. My business landlord agreed to wave my rent for the months of April and May. What comes after that I do not know. 


Although everybody's economy is going to take a big hit, the dollar may become stronger than other currencies in weaker economies that could easily shatter. First America has to get our house in order and then help the rest of the world. Our government is talking about giving every American over a $1000. I don't know all the details on that yet if those on SS pension will get it and those living overseas will get it. If Georgia is going to provide relief for your landlord throughout this crisis, you may receive additional relief. There's only so much relief a government can give to businesses and people before they crash. This problem can last years so make all your decisions based on that prediction. If our governments want to rid of this virus sooner, they need to take more drastic steps. Governments must take these steps in unison or the virus will be back.
Do your part to limit the spread of COVID-19

 

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