Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?

[msmob]

There are 3 groups most fall into:

1. Those that test negative for virus
2 Those that test negative but with antibodies of virus
3. Those that test positive for virus
Actually a fourth but they are dead

How do you separate these groups?
We have been told to take every precaution to NOT get the virus but it would seem now, it would be best to be in group 2 moving forward!!

Sadly, there are more ( and numerous ) groups

1/ Those that aren't tested ( the most numerous in the US /UK - for example - given our 'govt' lamentable policies )  'We' in the UK have ' the best tests' in the world .. but now the govt has admitted some of these tests aren't the best and failing to test but a tiny percentage of health workers who are forced to stay at home - rather than working - possibly needlessly.

2/ Those that are tested and provide an incorrect - given some of the 'tests' ( poor quality ) and admin cock ups, by staff under pressure.

[Hammer2722]

We are and will continue to report higher deaths.

And you don't know the reason why ?

More than likely that these other countries are not accurately reporting their infections/ deaths......

[BC]

More than likely that these countries are not accurately reporting their infections/ deaths......

No country is.

[BillyB]

BillyB,

There is no hard and fast 'rule' as how the virus effects folks ... what you wrote above was the words of a "I 'learnt' all this recently on the net" and it shows ..

I self teach myself these days. I enjoy learning. Almost everything we learn, we learn from another man. It's how you put things together that make the man you are. I can do a better job teaching myself than most teachers can. I factored in China lies and studied the virus in early January and in February told the forum it's a very bad one based on the way it behaves and it's going to change the way we behave and we will have to get used to periodic lockdowns. On CPAPs, I know some people use them at home, and I provide links to show doctors use them on COVID-19 patients after ventilators. They are actually helpful for people battling any illness that gives a person congestion. It also prevents the nose from plugging up. Pertaining to the virus and most things on the internet, most of what we read is BS. If you got a good BS meter, you wouldn't dismiss good information like you almost always do and actually become more intelligent.

Some of you old timers remember Andrewfi. He participates somewhere else. He reads and thinks I haven't learned anything about the virus because I disagreed with him so he told me "Billy, go read. You don't need to be an 'expert' to read. Billy, again read stuff. Even if this disease ends up being serious, in a few months it will be gone. That's how these things work." He told me that in January. The internet has enough info on it to where someone can be an expert on things but it can also make a person stupid.

[msmob]

I self teach myself these days.

Abundantly clear..  you know who to blame now..

[BC]

Yes, Billy, you can learn a lot on the internet.  Learning does, however, require an open mind.

[Trenchcoat]

Two thoughts come to mind

1/ WHAT is this thread about?

2/ why do you care about how Eurozone countries can pay back money they haven't got...worry about your own.

If you say so Mobe.

[Grumpy]

If most everybody is going to wind up getting the virus, then I suppose the timing of getting it could be important. 
A person wouldn't want to get the virus at a peak time when he may not get proper care.  That seems to be a moot point in California as the hospitals are not overwhelmed.    On the other hand, getting the virus later could be better in that more effective health care options have been experimented with from the earlier patients. 

Fathertime!

I think treatment will improve with time as doctors try more techniques and medications, share knowledge, and hopefully come up with much better treatments.

[Grumpy]

A couple of links for those wanting to learn more. Many of the pages have additional links at the bottom of the page.

UK NHS: http://111.nhs.uk/covid-19

US CDC: http://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prepare/cleaning-disinfection.html

[Trenchcoat]

I'm now kicking myself for not insisting SC came to Britain and stayed 'locked up' .. at least we have a gardens here ...

[msmob]

Trench,

Are you ( trying to )  make a 'point' ? ....

Russian regions are going to take their foot off the brake pedal and try a Japan  ( like that 'worked') - because Russia ( despite all the BS about 'stability funds) cannot afford to keep workers from working ..

That is MADNESS and Russians will think, "Great ... back to normal.. let's socialise" .. 

 I have put my wife in a more dangerous place ..I had no idea that those in control in Russia could be so STUPID

[krimster2]

the Korona discipline in even the remotest parts of gopnick Russia are FAR better than USA’s even in some rural russkie village full of alkogolokie bumzhee
Russian Federation has issued masks and gloves to ALL CITIZENS...
EVERYONE MUST wear this when they go out
or get fined...
even applies to your kids...

hottest topic in Russia right now is rapid automated batch testing
the ability to run millions of tests per day...

this is necessary to create “Green Zones”
which Russia is setting up at this moment...

I have an invite to fly Gazprom’s Jet from Houston in August....
to a green zone!!!
my daughters are coming with me
they are dropping out of Rice University after this semester...
we’re going to decide if we’re going to throw our lot in with Russia, or not...
because we all know what this place is gonna look like 3 years from now and WHY it's gonna look that way...

so we wanna check out the new frontier zone that Russians are building...
for when they have to hit the "reset" button
and if it fits for us, we'll join them

paka American Running Dogs, I will be the most efficiently ruthless enemy you ever had

PS,
you lost two carriers already
one more, and Iran is gonna light up Hormuz with Raketa!!!
surpreeze!!!

Russian and Iranian planes against Saudi....
Putin makes a deal with Israel
and launches covert ops to undermine Turkey from within

[msmob]

the Korona discipline in even the remotest parts of Russia are FAR better than USA’s even in some hopelessly gopnick rural russkie village full of alkogolokie bumzhee

'Sure' they are, Krimster ..

A gathering of taxi drivers - who will take out clients - grouped in a huddle, shaking hands as they meet for the first time that day ..  This is Krasnodarsky Krai under 'quarantine' ....

Russians don't give .... "they are invulnerable" ..


They pass around the same tripe about how drinking hot drinks and taking plenty of vitamin C will save them from the virus that we in Europe ( and I guess the US) saw..

They're saying "Vector Labs are the first to develop a virus"..

government has issued masks and gloves to ALL CITIZENS...
EVERYONE MUST wear this when they go out
or get fined...

 

May be in Moscow... not in Krasnodarsky Krai..  Most folks aren't wearing masks ...  they are in short supply ... and no 'order' has been made TO wear 'em..
even applies to your kids...

hottest topic in Russia right now is rapid automated batch testing
the ability to run millions of tests per day...

this is necessary to create “Green Zones”
which Russia is setting up at this moment...

I have an invite to fly Gazprom’s Jet from Houston in August....
to a green zone!!!
my daughters are coming with me
they are dropping out of Rice University after this semester...
we’re going to decide if we’re going to throw our lot in with Russia, or not...
because we all know what this place is gonna look like 3 years from now!
so we wanna check out the new frontier zone that Russians are building...
for when they have to hit the "reset" button
and if it fits for us, we'll join them

I'm sorry, matey, but I've realised that having my family there was a HUGE mistake.. given the regions are going to test out the herd immunity method ..

I took this image from a Sochi Web cam about a 1km from our apartment..morning of the 9th April 2020 c.0800 MSK ..note at the bottom of the image... 

'Sure' the message is getting through..




 

[BillyB]

Learning does, however, require an open mind.

An open mind is very important. Most people accept the first thing they read if it validates their beliefs or makes them feel good such as reading an article that bashes their least favorite politician. I dismiss most of the things I read as nonsense or not important. I can spot BS pretty quick. All the people writing articles these days are human. They have flaws and biases. Even the experts can agree on things whether it comes to climate science or how to handle the virus.

[msmob]

I can spot BS pretty quick.

Happy Easter, BillyB

You are priceless

[krimster2]

you see what you see
and I see what I see
my Russian Scope is only tuned in to one region
and that region has been TOTALLY transformed

I've gotten MAJORLY sick in Russia twice...
both times thought it was a weird flu
but because I immediately self-isolated, I didn't infect my family or coworkers...
now wondering...

I suppose at some point, I'll be tested and I'll know for sure...

deep in the bunker, I worked out the protocol to follow, if fellow bunker inmates contract the virus...
my wife would be triaged, so it becomes a harder choice to send her to the hospital compared to any of the other women I share the bunker with...
I have full hazmat and CBW decontamination protocols for taking one of them to the hospital

currently, my daughters are helping me steal manhole covers!
we're stealing steel
I discovered that an acetylene torch CAN cut through a manhole cover
but it TOTALLY eats acetylene
so gotta get more cylinders and O2 as well!!!

but now I can cut up the steel
and put it inside the car door!!!!
bullet-proof doors and back-end!!!!


and I freakin love throwing a roll of toilette paper out the car window, as I speed away
in a parking lot full of black people
watching them scramble and fight each other over it
I freakin love Trump-Land
the land of peak anti-social experiences

imagine if you had Corona infected toilette paper
what a "smallpox blanket" that would be!
it's that easy, and the global pandemic gives perfect cover to these kinds of "special ops"
GRU is freakin goin crazy now over this kinda stuff
one more carrier to go before the rockets red glare over Hormuz
I guess this will be Russia's and Iran's approach to reducing the oil glut!!!
just eliminate saudis shipping oil through Hormuz

[SteveInBoston]

You mean test positive and acquire antibodies? Whether you get a cold or flu or COVID-19, your immune system will create antibodies to defeat the viruses. A person may not get ill right away after defeating the cold or flu but went the antibody count drops back down, a person can get ill again.

This statement is incorrect.  Once the body effectively fights the virus, the antibody type used is stored in the system.  This is how vaccination/immunization works.  When the virus tries to reinfect, the immune response rapidly combats the virus with quick deployment of the correct antibody.

A person will not get sick from the same virus in the future.  However, he/she will get sick from mutated versions of the virus.  That is why people get the cold or flu every year.

[BillyB]

Antibodies attack bacteria and foreign objects. After they defeat them, the number of antibodies in our bodies decline over a few months back to normal. If we catch a flu virus, we will have immunity to that virus for life although antibody count declined. We will not have immunity to a new mutated flu virus.

If we catch the new coronavirus which is not related to the flu virus, it is not determined yet if we will have immunity for life. 51 people in South Korea who once had COVID-19 were released after testing negative. Later they tested positive for the same virus although they had elevated levels of antibodies in their system. We are still learning about this virus and so far it's not looking good for those who claim we'll get immunity. No vaccine, no treatment, and no immunity is very bad news.

[Trenchcoat]

Trench,

Are you ( trying to )  make a 'point' ? ....

Russian regions are going to take their foot off the brake pedal and try a Japan  ( like that 'worked') - because Russia ( despite all the BS about 'stability funds) cannot afford to keep workers from working ..

That is MADNESS and Russians will think, "Great ... back to normal.. let's socialise" .. 

 I have put my wife in a more dangerous place ..I had no idea that those in control in Russia could be so STUPID

The point is that you were wrong and BillyB was right, not such a silly billy after all is he. If BillyB is right on this and BillyB was right on Brexit what is the likelihood that BillyB is right on other subjects, pretty high I would say.

You see Mobe the reason BillyB is right over you on most subjects is because there is a big IQ difference between the two of you, you obviously being the lesser. Now I know at the moment the urge to argue the toss is racing to the surface in you. Surpress this urge Mobe and try to learn a thing or two before racing to bring argument to others, you will be the better off for it

[LAman]

Yes, Billy, you can learn a lot on the internet.  Learning does, however, require an open mind.

Yes, and we all know, everything you read on the internet is 100% true!!

Which brings up a point. If 'Joe' and I are talking to each other, we look over to the side. I see a man standing nearby but 'Joe' doesn't see anyone.....is there a person standing nearby?
Now we talk to another person at our hotel , we tell our story. Now this 'third person' chooses to believe 'Joe', that there wasn't anyone standing nearby and writes an article about no one nearby us, there will be people believing this to be true. A microcosm of today's internet society!!

[LAman]

Antibodies attack bacteria and foreign objects.

I was with Sally yesterday. I put my foreign object inside Sally, there were no antibodies attacking!!!

And yes, it was her first time, so it REALLY was a foreign object!!!!

[krimster2]

I did all that fake medical stuff on girls when I was a kid
surprised older dewds still do that stuff...

I honestly don’t care about sex at all anymore...
I’m just trying to get in fighting shape...
really hard buying weights online now, the demand is so high...
had to go to three different sources to get what I needed
training products are now way more advanced then from when I was younger
I also bought a nylon weight vest for night running in the forest
as well as ankle weights and a lot of other items

I have two cross-mounted knives on suspenders for easy draw
training myself for a simultaneous 2 blade attack

expect the usa will start to collapse some time next year...
will either be in Russia in a green zone
or livin in the forest behind my house in a camouflaged bunker I’m buildin this summer
I will NOT be living in my neighborhood and trying to defend my house when the rioters come
however, if I DO get around to building that silenced rifle I've always dreamed about
then I may decide to pick off a few to help out the neighborhood watch
while I'm hidin behind the trees

may build a deer blind as well
or maybe more than one
if you build them high enough off the ground
and have great camo
then they are good places to sleep the night as well!!!!
with booby traps all around
and a rope to quickly and silently get to the ground
if you need to

nothing can stop what's coming
everything will burn

the longest trend in existence is the Ascent of Man,
and it’s usually a mistake to buck any trend
the trend is your friend
But no trend rises like a straight line
That said, it seems to me this is going to be a really, really serious correction –
I suspect, the worst since the start of the Industrial Revolution...

it will happen at the end of next year
at the beginning of the 4th peak

BTW, dumb phuques, do you have ANY freakin idea yet how badly you BLEW IT???
Russian election interference, more or less will be responsible for the destruction of the USA...
you have one more carrier and one more year left...

to show you how much electing Donald Trump has cost you
here is a slide from a recent secret federal study
that projects that at the end of next year
1 out of 3 Americans will have had the virus
the death toll will be in the hundreds of thousands
economy will contract by 40%

and still the damned thing keeps marching on

currently, in texas, only about 1 in 4 will wear even a simple mask and gloves
i'm sure many, many thousands will attend church tomorrow

[Trenchcoat]

The now starving Italians have reason to be grateful to the Mafia rather than the EU in their hour of need:

http://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/10/mafia-distributes-food-to-italys-struggling-residents

Looks like your donations didn't go far enough BC

[msmob]

The point is that you were wrong and BillyB was right, not such a silly billy after all is he. If BillyB is right on this and BillyB was right on Brexit what is the likelihood that BillyB is right on other subjects, pretty high I would say.

You see Mobe the reason BillyB is right over you on most subjects is because there is a big IQ difference between the two of you, you obviously being the lesser. Now I know at the moment the urge to argue the toss is racing to the surface in you. Surpress this urge Mobe and try to learn a thing or two before racing to bring argument to others, you will be the better off for it

I was indeed 'wrong' not to insist she came back earlier from Thailand .. but to where.. ?  CY got closed, as did FR ..she'd have been on her own in places were you get fined for not having the correct docs  / sending an sms before venturing out .. I still think RU is 'better' ... as long as SHE stays at home when the others' 'celebrate' a VERY premature end to quarantine .


In Sochi, she can walk to the shops - a few mins ... and to the beach - if allowed ... she manages to socially distance, well, there ..

[Trenchcoat]

I was indeed 'wrong' not to insist she came back earlier from Thailand .. but to where.. ?  CY got closed, as did FR ..she'd have been on her own in places were you get fined for not having the correct docs  / sending an sms before venturing out .. I still think RU is 'better' ... as long as SHE stays at home when the others' 'celebrate' a VERY premature end to quarantine .


In Sochi, she can walk to the shops - a few mins ... and to the beach - if allowed ... she manages to socially distance, well, there ..

But she could have come to the UK and stayed with you or nearby, you've said it yourself. Had you listened to BillyB she would be.

So who would be the best advice to take in future decisions? After hopefully 'learning' from this experience.