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« Reply #175 on: November 28, 2020, 03:23:37 PM »
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Peterson is an 'intellectual' misogynist...pure and simple



 

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« Reply #176 on: November 28, 2020, 09:07:32 PM »
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Peterson is an 'intellectual' misogynist...pure and simple

Based on what? That he harks back to the traditional marriage format of an unbroken bond. He admits himself it's not perfect but it's better than the current situation the western world is in. Just look at the drug rate, mental health problems and male suicide rates - all of them are way, way up. Is that a society that is working for its citizens? or one where it's citizens are in pain?

Peterson is what I believe sociologists call a functionalist. He explains how society can best function.

I think he's backing of the traditional marriage system is a bit old skool these days. I think people moved away from that system for a reason as it was too imperfect. Still even that is better than the state we are in today. I personally don't think going back is necessarily the best way forward though as it's just bringing back a system that has already been moved on from so the same grounds for moving on from it still exist even though western society is in a mess at present socially speaking.
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« Reply #177 on: November 28, 2020, 10:52:33 PM »
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Peterson is an 'intellectual' misogynist...pure and simple
Please explain. Im curious to know what an intellectual misogynist is as opposed to just a simple misogynist.
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« Reply #178 on: November 29, 2020, 12:43:43 AM »
Hes a tenured university professor, ergo, an intellectual.

I dont think  Peterson is a misogynist (unlike the majority of his fans), but he is dangerous, in that a lot of fools take his ideas as truth.

Heres an article about Peterson that I read a few years ago.

http://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.thestar.com/amp/opinion/2018/05/25/i-was-jordan-petersons-strongest-supporter-now-i-think-hes-dangerous.html

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« Reply #179 on: November 29, 2020, 12:50:53 AM »
Hes a tenured university professor, ergo, an intellectual.

I dont think  Peterson is a misogynist (unlike the majority of his fans), but he is dangerous, in that a lot of fools take his ideas as truth.

Heres an article about Peterson that I read a few years ago.

http://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.thestar.com/amp/opinion/2018/05/25/i-was-jordan-petersons-strongest-supporter-now-i-think-hes-dangerous.html

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It is really interesting you think he is not a misogynist, often feminists believe he is. And misinterpret what he says

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« Reply #180 on: November 29, 2020, 03:12:48 AM »
Hes a tenured university professor, ergo, an intellectual.
He is an intellectual, I agree, but what is Moobs take on his correlation of intellectual and misogynist.



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« Reply #181 on: November 29, 2020, 03:14:02 AM »
Based on what? That he harks back to the traditional marriage format of an unbroken bond. He admits himself it's not perfect but it's better than the current situation the western world is in. Just look at the drug rate, mental health problems and male suicide rates - all of them are way, way up. Is that a society that is working for its citizens? or one where it's citizens are in pain?

Peterson is what I believe sociologists call a functionalist. He explains how society can best function.

I think he's backing of the traditional marriage system is a bit old skool these days. I think people moved away from that system for a reason as it was too imperfect. Still even that is better than the state we are in today. I personally don't think going back is necessarily the best way forward though as it's just bringing back a system that has already been moved on from so the same grounds for moving on from it still exist even though western society is in a mess at present socially speaking.


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« Reply #182 on: November 29, 2020, 04:32:52 AM »
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Peterson is an 'intellectual' misogynist...pure and simple

In your opinion, why is he a misogynist?

Ive read and watched some of his stuff and never once saw a person who dislikes, despises or is strongly prejudice against women. I believe hes a married man with a daughter who successfully coaches women for career progression.

He's a man who tackles taboo subjects and dissects sensitive and potentially volatile topics including feminism and the gender pay gap, but hes always spoken in a considered manner with well thought out ideas. Not everyone has to agree with him but its difficult to criticise his ideas or how he got there.

Im guessing that you simply dislike the man (hes another hate figure for the left) but you arent equipped to debunk his theories, so its easier for you to call him a misogynist.


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« Reply #183 on: November 29, 2020, 07:53:04 AM »
Rosco,

As far as I am  concerned your empathy / understanding of others' situations may not be anything akin to mine.

Suffice to say, I am not surprised why we would not agree)


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« Reply #184 on: November 29, 2020, 10:30:27 AM »
Is that your answer Moby??

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« Reply #185 on: November 29, 2020, 12:26:06 PM »
Ive read and watched some of his stuff and never once saw a person who dislikes, despises or is strongly prejudice against women. I believe hes a married man with a daughter who successfully coaches women for career progression.

He has stated that feminists support Muslims because they have a "an unconscious wish for brutal male domination".  He has also stated he supports "enforced monogamy", and that "order is masculine".  So I think an argument could be made that he's a misogynist.  Married men, even those with daughters, can be misogynists (note - I am not saying Peterson is one).

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He's a man who tackles taboo subjects and dissects sensitive and potentially volatile topics including feminism and the gender pay gap, but hes always spoken in a considered manner with well thought out ideas. Not everyone has to agree with him but its difficult to criticise his ideas or how he got there.

It's not at all difficult to criticize his ideas.

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Im guessing that you simply dislike the man (hes another hate figure for the left) but you arent equipped to debunk his theories, so its easier for you to call him a misogynist.

Peterson is someone who has figured out a way to make millions of dollars by exploiting rubes and misogynists.  He grew up in rural Alberta, which is not exactly known for its left wing ways.

I do think political correctness has gone overboard on university campuses.

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« Reply #186 on: November 29, 2020, 01:02:19 PM »
Is that your answer Moby??

Is that a serious question, Rosco ?

As ever, another poster put it better than I could ... Peterson has made a pile from ( soft saps ) those who believe they are 'alfa' males ( misspelling deliberate  )..



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« Reply #187 on: November 29, 2020, 01:09:19 PM »
He has stated that feminists support Muslims because they have a "an unconscious wish for brutal male domination".  He has also stated he supports "enforced monogamy", and that "order is masculine".  So I think an argument could be made that he's a misogynist.  Married men, even those with daughters, can be misogynists (note - I am not saying Peterson is one).

It's not at all difficult to criticize his ideas.

Peterson is someone who has figured out a way to make millions of dollars by exploiting rubes and misogynists.  He grew up in rural Alberta, which is not exactly known for its left wing ways.

I do think political correctness has gone overboard on university campuses.

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Ive just watched the clips on YouTube regarding feminists choosing not to march against Saudi Arabia and you misunderstood his point, which was the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Hes suggesting that radical feminists choose to ignore the treatment of women in SA because they also aim to undermine the Westen patriarchy.

Thats different to what you suggest and it doesnt make him a misogynist.

Nobody needs to agree with Jordan Peterson but he explains his thoughts well and leaves no doubt as to how he got there. Some people get upset because his message often makes a lot of sense so the anger gets directed at him.

None of this makes him a misogynist, not even the fact he came from rural Alberta.

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« Reply #188 on: November 29, 2020, 01:12:06 PM »
Is that a serious question, Rosco ?


As ever, another poster put it better than I could ... Peterson has made a pile from ( soft saps ) those who believe they are 'alfa' males ( misspelling deliberate  )..

For the third time, yes.

You said quite unequivocally that hes a misogynist, what makes you say that? Having some followers who are right wing, insecure, white men simply doesnt qualify.
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« Reply #189 on: November 29, 2020, 02:03:56 PM »
For the third time, yes.

You said quite unequivocally that hes a misogynist, what makes you say that? Having some followers who are right wing, insecure, white men simply doesnt qualify.

Rosco,

I've met Communists, Socialists, Conservatives and nigh on fascists who are / were misogynists ..

Lets  start with a definition of a misogynist.. a person who dislikes, despises, or is strongly prejudiced against women.


Peterson appeals to the latter. If you cannot see that..





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« Reply #190 on: November 29, 2020, 02:23:16 PM »
Rosco,

I've met Communists, Socialists, Conservatives and nigh on fascists who are / were misogynists ..
Let's start with a definition of a misogynist.. a person who dislikes, despises, or is strongly prejudiced against women.


Peterson appeals to the latter. If you cannot see that..

So for the fourth time. Why is he a misogynist?

When I asked you the first time, I actually defined a misogynist so that you understood what you were claiming. Repeating what I wrote doesnt answer the question.

Can you provide evidence to support your bold claim or will you just keep saying it and hope it sticks? Or are you claiming that some of his followers are misogynists so in Moby world, he has to be too?
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« Reply #191 on: November 29, 2020, 03:11:00 PM »
Ive just watched the clips on YouTube regarding feminists choosing not to march against Saudi Arabia and you misunderstood his point, which was the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Hes suggesting that radical feminists choose to ignore the treatment of women in SA because they also aim to undermine the Westen patriarchy.

No, the male interviewer said for feminists, Muslims were higher on the victim hierarchy, and Peterson's response was as I noted.

FTR, I, as a feminist, have little interest in what's going on in Muslim countries, or in Europe, or in the US.  I just look at my country.  I think that's the case with most feminists. 
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Thats different to what you suggest and it doesnt make him a misogynist.

I never claimed he was a misogynist.  But, one cannot deny, the bulk of his followers are incels/angry white men.

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Nobody needs to agree with Jordan Peterson but he explains his thoughts well and leaves no doubt as to how he got there. Some people get upset because his message often makes a lot of sense so the anger gets directed at him.

It's one position.  The issue I have with him is not his views, but that he believes that his is the only correct view.  It isn't, and it's rather ironic that Peterson criticizes "cultural Marxism", yet practices it himself.


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None of this makes him a misogynist, not even the fact he came from rural Alberta.

Again, I never claimed he was.  Please don't assume I support statements I have not espoused.

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« Reply #192 on: November 29, 2020, 03:36:42 PM »
No, the male interviewer said for feminists, Muslims were higher on the victim hierarchy, and Peterson's response was as I noted.

FTR, I, as a feminist, have little interest in what's going on in Muslim countries, or in Europe, or in the US.  I just look at my country.  I think that's the case with most feminists. 
I never claimed he was a misogynist.  But, one cannot deny, the bulk of his followers are incels/angry white men.

It's one position.  The issue I have with him is not his views, but that he believes that his is the only correct view.  It isn't, and it's rather ironic that Peterson criticizes "cultural Marxism", yet practices it himself.


Again, I never claimed he was.  Please don't assume I support statements I have not espoused.

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And for what its worth, Im no fan of his either and I wouldnt argue with much of what youve said. I think he shares similar traits to other professors and intellects who really dive into subjects and probably assume they know more than anyone else.

Then again sometimes we all find ourselves believing that only our views are correct, especially if its a topic close to our heart. Look no further than this very forum lol

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« Reply #193 on: November 29, 2020, 04:42:03 PM »
Been watching Peterson just now on You Tube about Alpha men. Pretty much lines up with my thoughts about the way has been heading in a bad direction. Makes the point that I have often thought and I think made on here a while ago that if you double the amount of workforce by adding women you halve the salary. Thus far fewer men can support ba family in their own and that is what women often want by about the age of 30 which is often evidenced by falling birth rates.

The alpha male here are guys who work 80 hours a week in very stressful management level jobs. I think he makes a good point here too that these aren't 'fun' jobs that a lot of feminists seem to crave after. There an ordeal and could end up finishing off a man at a young age if they push it too far, examples are if course abound of that. That and while they do great at bringing the money in they can be poor choices for the woman in terms of an enjoyable and entertaining lifestyle since they are workaholics with no time for that. What I like about Peterson is that he takes stuff that has become myths and dispells it with the sober truth.

In my own field of Architecture/Construction there has been a big push to get females into jobs I the field. That's part of the reason I have chosen to walk from that and do my own thing. It not only lowers pay in jobs that can be stressful to poor salaries it also discriminates against you if you're a man as women will often be chosen as they tick the box. I'm going to laugh at the way things will look in the near future as I don't think they will enjoying the choices they made.
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« Reply #194 on: November 30, 2020, 05:42:35 AM »
Trench,

You complained about Poles undercutting.. that's competition...so you wanted 'Brexit'..You complain about female Architects, so you left the profession ..

You complain that slim girls get taken by better off guys...

Am I the only one to see a pattern?

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« Reply #195 on: November 30, 2020, 05:49:07 AM »
So for the fourth time. Why is he a misogynist?

Once again, you 'walk away' from discussing facts on other subjects and 'insist' I must explain my opinion?..))

It is my opinion based on his scribes / vids and those who agree with his scribes...

To me it is obvious










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« Reply #196 on: November 30, 2020, 06:45:04 AM »
Once again, you 'walk away' from discussing facts on other subjects and 'insist' I must explain my opinion?..))

It is my opinion based on his scribes / vids and those who agree with his scribes...

To me it is obvious

And to everyone else its simply another excuse for an emotional standpoint. You don't agree with him and instead casually throw around terrible and unjust labels like misogynist or racist without proving why. Don't worry you're not alone, its a shocking new trend and always from the same group.

If you don't agree with someones ideas you should beat them in a fair intellectual debate. IMO he's one of the few guys still trying to reach out to the radical left and save them from themselves but you guys cant take anything said from a far left hate figure. He's certainly not right on everything but because he doesn't conform as you would like him to, you casually throw names at him and hope it sticks.

At least you've shown your hand here, having ducked the question numerous times. I walk away from you on other occasions because it's endless, you'll never ever see anything from another view point, other than your own and I either waste my time debating or get moderated for it.

It's not the same Moby.

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« Reply #197 on: November 30, 2020, 07:49:12 AM »
You don't agree with him and instead casually throw around terrible and unjust labels like misogynist or racist without proving why. Don't worry you're not alone, its a shocking new trend and always from the same group.

If you don't agree with someones ideas you should beat them in a fair intellectual debate.

At least you've shown your hand here, having ducked the question numerous times. I walk away from you on other occasions because it's endless, you'll never ever see anything from another view point, other than your own and I either waste my time debating or get moderated for it.


Even I will only bother to repeat myself so many times ...

You continue to prove your inability to see you are more than guilty of exactly the 'crime' you suggest for me ;)

I certainly do not seek your moderation, btw

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« Reply #198 on: November 30, 2020, 08:07:51 AM »
Even I will only bother to repeat myself so many times ...

You continue to prove your inability to see you are more than guilty of exactly the 'crime' you suggest for me ;)

I certainly do not seek your moderation, btw

This wraps up our conversation nicely.

You fail to provide any evidence as to why you claim quite forthrightly, that Jordan Peterson is a misogynist, having been asked 4 times, other than your default position is to dislike him and some of his followers are questionable. It's quite clear to everyone else, that this alone doesn't make him a misogynist and your bold post up thread is in fact wrong. It's also quite sad that it took umpteen exchanges to bottom this out.

Now you misunderstand my simple reference to moderation. Stuff like this shouldn't be that difficult and it does make basic debate impossible. It's clear that discussing something more intricate like Brexit for example, is utterly pointless.

Hint - I'm not offering to moderate you, but referring to the moderators who need to referee this endless silliness, which IMO is a result of your thought process and writing style.

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« Reply #199 on: November 30, 2020, 08:39:38 AM »
This wraps up our conversation nicely.

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