Social Status in Ukraine

[Trenchcoat]

I thought I would just start of this thread to explore Social Status in Ukraine.

I know previously the broad remark has been made that pretty much all of Ukraine, Belarus, Russia, etc are Working Class due to the purges, etc in Soviet Union times mostly under Stalin. That now there exists just a hierarchy of different levels of Working Class in Ukraine, etc.

My assumption on this from what I have seen is those at the top of the hierarchy live in the centre of City's and those with lower down live in the suburbs of the city. Some cities are more wealthier and some less so, there are the big wealthy cities like Kyiv and then there are the lesser known cities that are poorer that I only know existed now due to Russia blowing the crap out of them.

At the bottom I assume are the villages and their inhabitants.

A lot of the time until recently I didn't have a great deal of an idea who I was actually dating in terms of their social status. I assumed that they were largely much the same unless from the few Oligarch families in Ukraine. Of recent though it seems that there can be a fair difference in between. That some people in Ukraine can earn many times that of other people and live in better accommodation while many live in the standard fare of accommodation. So for some it might be a nice flat in or near the city centre and for others a concrete block in the suburbs.

My interest lies in how do Ukrainians view each other who live in probably varying conditions and of varying social status? What is the scene like there on this one?

[krimster2]

there's social status and social mobility
social mobility is more important
village dwellers don't have much social mobility (jobs education,lifestyle)
only way for a village girl to leave the village is through marriage
and that's when you come in

Ukrainian village girls are the creme de la creme
they're freakin beautful, a gift of nature to the senses of man

and that's all ya really need to know
the rest ya should be able to figure out on yur own

[Trenchcoat]

there's social status and social mobility
social mobility is more important
village dwellers don't have much social mobility (jobs education,lifestyle)
only way for a village girl to leave the village is through marriage
and that's when you come in

Ukrainian village girls are the creme de la creme
they're freakin beautful, a gift of nature to the senses of man

and that's all ya really need to know
the rest ya should be able to figure out on yur own

And no doubt eager to spread their legs wide!

Many thanks Krim

[krimster2]

unless she's a paraplegic
I knew a mexican woman who didn't have any legs, her name was Consuelo
then I saw a guy who lost his left arm, he's all right now

this winter, with the power shortages, village girls will climb into bed with ya just to stay freakin WARM
just make sure they wash their feet before they climb into bed with ya if it's kartoshkie plantin time

[Shadow]

Just as in any country, people go to big cities to make money, then when they are either tired or retired go back to villages.
Find a girl that has an equal level to your own.If you want to use your money and status as leverage you got to understand that the moment she is in your country she will look for a better deal and probably find it.

[ML]

Straight from my Ukrainian wife.

In Soviet times, most of citizenry were classless except for the party members.

Trememdous friendship, helpfulness and general camaraderie among the non-party citizens, all who made quite similar monthly salaries. In contrast to USA, physicians made less than engineers but most all were within + - 20 rubles per month.

The collapse of SU changed all of this.  Teachers, physicians and others became sellers.  Their incomes mushroomed to 5, 10 or even higher multiple of other's salaries, and many people went without pay for many months.  The lucky ones where those who had a small garden or relatives who lived in the countryside with large gardens.  My wife's parents had huge acre or so of garden and orchard.  They fed many people, relatives and many others.  Mother in particular was the Mother Teresa of her city.

General camaraderie came to a screeching halt.
Those whose incomes skyrocketed started looking down (way down) at the masses.
Jealousies mushroomed.

However there is economic and social mobility in Ukraine.
My wife came from very small city.
But went to university, obtained all A's except for 2 classes in marxism (she couldn't stomach it) and was able to get job in Kyiv and marry a man who would become a very successful executive until his untimely early death.

She has other relatives who were from the same small city who have highly successful careers both within Ukraine and in other countries.

Being from small cities or even villages is not a drawback in Ukraine . . . if you obtain a good university degree.

And big advantage for WM if he can marry a gal from village or small city, who also has high IQ, obtained good university degree, and then lived in big Ukrainian city for a number of years.

She will do you proud to be able to interact with high level folks in your city, know how to look and act at ballet, theatre, dinner parties, etc., and then go to your dacha, put on old clothes (which she still looks good in) do repairs, garden and yard  work, etc. . . . not because you tell her to, but because she wants to.

Don't really know how I was able to pull this off . . . perhaps something to do with sorting through around 150 gals !!

[Trenchcoat]

Thanks for the info ML 👍 interesting to know. No need for high IQ though just enough for her to cook me a hearty meal and do the cleaning

[olgac]

Yeah I think these girls might have a high enough IQ for Trenchcoat LOL
http://www.facebook.com/reel/1073614667513771

[Trenchcoat]

Yeah I think these girls might have a high enough IQ for Trenchcoat LOL
http://www.facebook.com/reel/1073614667513771

Ah, perfect! Lol

[olgac]

Should I translate the interview?
He is asking which country doesn't exist: Latvia or Lithuania? She says Lithuania. He says yes that correct.
Which country doesn't exist: Sweden or Switzerland? Sweden! Which country doesn't exist: Slovakia or Slovenia? and so on
Then she says she knows she is not THAT dumb and answered all the questions correctly

[Trenchcoat]

Should I translate the interview?
He is asking which country doesn't exist: Latvia or Lithuania? She says Lithuania. He says yes that correct.
Which country doesn't exist: Sweden or Switzerland? Sweden! Which country doesn't exist: Slovakia or Slovenia? and so on
Then she says she knows she is not THAT dumb and answered all the questions correctly

I know its ok I got the English translation on. They are of course all countries. Kind of funny at the end when she says it must have been by her intuition lol.

[olgac]

I know its ok I got the English translation on. They are of course all countries. Kind of funny at the end when she says it must have been by her intuition lol.

Yes there are 2 videos one is FB with the same questions don't know if You can open and that girl is saying that she is not THAT stupid in the youtube she says she has good intuition

Russians love to say how Americans don't know world Geography. And it's true, Americans don't but the FSU education is not at all what it used to be back in the days.
Recently my young friend who is 2 years from Belarus wanted to buy a cruise leaving from Puerto Rico and she started looking for tickets to Costa Rica I asked her why? And she admitted she mixed them up

[ML]

I regularly won geography contests in school.

Probably can't now.

Once in 5th grade I lost final round regarding almost the easiest question.
What is the capital of Tunisia ? 

I am still embarrassed about that, and still communicate with the gal who beat me that time!

[Trenchcoat]

I regularly won geography contests in school.

Probably can't now.

Once in 5th grade I lost final round regarding almost the easiest question.
What is the capital of Tunisia ? 

I am still embarrassed about that, and still communicate with the gal who beat me that time!

Probably just a case of the mind thinking deeper than needs be, can happen to anyone that one. I had to think for a moment on that one without looking up before realising the answer was right in front of my eyes lol.

[Trenchcoat]

What are people's thoughts on the easiest type of girls to get with and be with?

Ukrainian City Centre Girl

Ukrainian City Suburbs Girl

Ukrainian Country Village Girl


Will vary between women I think of course but I am imagining that in general they will be a little different to be with depending on their socialisation and their life growing up.

[olgac]

trench, here is a nice Russian girl for You LOL

[Trenchcoat]

trench, here is a nice Russian girl for You LOL

Lol, George and Anfisa, I saw that on the 90 Day Fiance on You Tube. Possibly some might think she was that way for TV but I think it probably was the way she was anyway at least with him maybe in general.

They broke up in the end, I think the main problem there was that she never really liked George. I think she probably felt compelled to be with him because he was fulfilling her materialistic needs and she probably resented feeling like that,that she felt she had to be with him to satisfy that nagging materialistic need inside of her.

I think George should have tossed her over and given her a good snack around the ass

Some Russian & Ukrainian men can be too hard, we can be too soft I think, FSW can see that as weakness and run all over a guy like she did moreso if she isn't into him like she wasn't.

George should have concentrated on his Marijuana shop business. It apparently was doing well but he let things slide messing around with her and she milked his finances just too badly. Had he been successful with his business he would have been able to date many other FSW and find a better fit for him.

[ML]

Regarding 'Red Bag.'

A man should NEVER put up with sheeeeet from a woman, no matter how hot she is.

A woman should NEVER put up with sheeeeet from a man no matter how much of a good provider he is.

I cut loose several (10-15 gals out of 150) who gave me some grief, not as bad as 'Red Bag', but I don't put up with any such.  Aside from some grief, they mostly all told me how lucky I was to be with a beautiful woman.
I remember one 9 gal (she had really hot body and she provided hot sex often) who threw her coat at me as we were leaving my apartment and nearly hit my open eye with a part of the coat.  As she threw she demanded: "Here, help me with my coat!"  I was going to anyway, but she didn't have any patience.  That was our last time together, although I hated to give up the hot sex.

I wanted good looking woman who had beautiful behavior.
I achieved that and got (getting) hot sex as a bonus.

[krimster2]

Trench Foot, please explain to me, as creatively as possible
WHY, are you letting the opportunities the WAR in Ukraine has to offer you - GO COMPLETELY TO WASTE?
ALL those people who died, to create this GREAT opportunity for you, ALL DIED FOR NOTHING!!!!
kinda like a certain religious figure from 2,000 yrs ago, whose name I don't think I gotta mention....he he he....

BUT you need to find religion and have yur "come to Jesus moment" metaphorically to "find yourself"
or remain "LOST"

a stark contrast

so ya can either watch old re-runs on SkyTV of Red Dwarf and eat Frozen Microwavable Meat Pies
or you can listen to the sound artillery makes in Eastern Ukraine and eat MREs and share it with yur CAT
and live stream it on Youtube
and devlop yur acting skills

for $100 per month you can get a starlink account that'll work in Ukraine
and you could even live stream video, from anywhere in Ukraine
you drove/were driven to
or upload yur daily videos
couple of hundred $$$ per day and you can hire a driver/car and you can go ANYWHERE

it don't matter at all, what ya look like
look at Rowan Atkinson, AKA, Mr Bean

Trench, you could do this

insteada of Bald and Bankrupt
you is Hairy and Posh
didja see his Girlfriend....
she FINE LOOKIN

read up on youtube monetization
focus on makin money - do that - and the money will find a girlfriend for ya...
just like it did for Bald and Bankrupt

just do it like I'm tellin ya Home Boy
cuz I'll be in yur crew, I'll be yur Anglo-Jew, and tell ya the right things to DO
I'm like that Siegfried Sassoon
WAR ain't HEALTHY for Children, and other livin things
and you could be showin folks, the TRUTH of this
while gettin PAID and gettin LAID

yur like 5 hours flyin time to Ukraine - that's NOTHING
don't even need a VISA
buy some old "Territorial" uniforms in The Salvation Army Store, I bet Manchester's got a lot, try over there
this is what ya wanna wear in Ukraine
and a red-cross arm band
and some blue/yellow ribbons and patches, that ya buy on Ebay

how's THAT for Social Status Guv'ner?

Pooty Tang Gods, will make it rain, if you is dressed like that in Ukraine Dom Malchick

if you is REALLY smooth....
go into a crowded bar with a lot of "Devs" and sit alone, read a letter, cry, and act embaressed
you will get LAID THAT NIGHT!!!!
by a fine lookin slender Ukrainian girl with long brown hair being the appearance of the one doin the relieving

to be is to do
and yur
do be do be do da

get thy shit together
don't leave it strewn all over, the way ya got it now
get yur shit TOGETHER

is it tea time?
Earl Grey S'il vous plait, d'accord, merci...

yet another Jardain Du Krimster sentiment

whatcha all lookin at?

[olgac]

George should have concentrated on his Marijuana shop business. It apparently was doing well but he let things slide messing around with her and she milked his finances just too badly. Had he been successful with his business he would have been able to date many other FSW and find a better fit for him.

Well after he lost all the extra weight and improved himself he did just fine with an american women, got married and i think now has 2 kids.
http://www.instagram.com/mrjnava_/?hl=en
Anfisa stayed in US and is now dating hot or rich men here

[olgac]

Regarding a social status take for example my parents.
My mom is from a very educated family that had a high social status at least 3 generations back and she herself was very successful/ well read, good manners, etc

My dad on the other hand is from small village, his parents did not have degrees. He went to Minsk to get an education first in a trade school then university, then he got a PhD and since 1982 he is working in IT my mom too, though she became a software manager. He is also well read / erudite, follows current politics etc

As an example of person staying in lower status let me tell You a story of my nanny. She is from a small village in Belarus and spoke Belorussian not Russian or perhaps a mix of the two. Moved to Minsk, worked as a nanny for us. Then she worked at the factory in Minsk. All her life she loved and had a relationship with a married man. She never had kids or got married. From what I hear when she was younger, the married boyfriend gave her an illegal abortion pill after she got pregnant with his child and she had complications after which she could not have kids We are sending her money from US, she has died few years ago.

Another example is my young friend Lena who is from uneducated family
Iving in small town. She got a degree and has a relatively good job. She won a green card. She often makes mistakes in Russian typical for someone from uneducated background, she hasn’t read much literature, doesn't’ t know world events doesn’t watch or read news.

[olgac]

For Trenchcoat: of course the more difficult economic conditions of the women are, the more likely she is to accept any western man. So of course You would have the most luck with the lowest social status Ukranian women.

The problem is that no matter what Krimster is saying here, "village girls" age much much faster if they stay in their natural habitat. Yes if they came to US in their 20s they have more opportunities to take care of their appearance.
But in general if You take a look at a woman in her 30s from the lower economic class living in a village, she will not look as young as a woman in her 30s living in a city and having some money. And if you look at women in their 40s the difference is even more striking.

When women have access to money and civilization it is much easier to take care of their appearance.
For example in my case since I turned 40 I have been doing much more expensive skin treatments, botox injections,
even lip injections (though I never had huge lips, mine were tastefully done and not huge)
I have also started eating a much healthier diet (also because my husband was diagnosed with pre diabetes few years ago and has completely reversed it using diet and exercise)
and I work out much more purposely as women tend to gain weight after their menopause
(usually early 50s). Usually Ukrainian village diet is not the healthiest to be honest or a Belarussian or Russian country side diet.

And if You took a look at my 75 year old mom, who still plays tennis, stays slim and fit, dresses stylishly and eats a vegan diet, she looks COMPLETELY different than a lower class Belorussian woman her age!

[ML]

I work out much more purposely as women tend to gain weight after their menopause (usually early 50s).

Reminds me that for Russian women (at least one I was with), climax does not mean orgasm, it means menopause.

When I asked about climax, she looked hurt and said something like: OMG how old do you think I am ? !!
She was early 40s at the time.

- - - - -

And in same vein . . .

I asked woman if she was finished as I had gotten no clue.
She said: No
More work, and I asked again, and got No, etc., etc.

Finally in exhaustion I said:  Are you sure you are not finished ?

She said:  No . . . I am Swedish !!

[olgac]

Oh yeah that's right, klimaks does mean menopause!

[olgac]

Finally in exhaustion I said:  Are you sure you are not finished ?

She said:  No . . . I am Swedish !!

LOL!