Social Status in Ukraine

[olgac]

Thanks for the update I didn't know that. Looks like he got with a lady with some Chinese or something in there so a trade up for her to a white guy

Really? I don't see any asian roots in her at all.

She looks like a nicer person for him to be with though and he looks more at ease and happier with her. What poor George had to endure with Anfisa, I think he was too soft and gentle for her though AND she wanted more than he could provide for her. In general I think she wasn't into him enough and that made her materialistic urges worse most probably.

Well I always vote for a man or a woman improving themselves before starting to date. The way he was the only
hot woman interested in him would be t e one going after his perceived money which he pretended to have much more than he actually did. Now he actually looks like an arrtactive, fit guy.

I saw a youtube of him asking Anfisa if she would have been with him if he had no money, to which she replied that he wouldn't have been with her had she been fat and ugly either. (which is a great point btw)
found it:

[ML]

The way he was the only hot woman interested in him would be t e one going after his perceived money which he pretended to have much more than he actually did.

Man: Would you still love me if I lost all my money ?

Woman: Yes . . . and I would miss you too.

[Trenchcoat]

Then why don't you make a normal post or a normal thread?
Why make asinine comments about keeping a village girl in
her village? Why all the weird deception?

The keeping a village girl in the village was just a joke. There is no deception, I just wondered his it all was. How much do you know about the US? It's Culture, in the states you lived in, in states you haven't? Etc.

Chances are you learnt a lot about the way things are in the US, in its states and particularly the community where you are when you were growing up. You probably dong realise how much you know on every tidbit of how things are around where you live.

But what if you dropped yourself down where Angel Eyes comes from, sure you would be able UK use the supermarket, etc, but would you know how society is there? The ins & outs? Of every little thing? Or even the basics most locals know but many of which you may not?

If your with a FSW why not find out how things really are in her community over there. It could be quite intriguing. You are always the one to say ask the girl thousands of questions - why not extend that to getting a good idea of the society she is from. After all if we are going with a FSW we should have a keen interest in the society she is from. Why not?

[Trenchcoat]

Really? I don't see any asian roots in her at all.

Well I always vote for a man or a woman improving themselves before starting to date. The way he was the only
hot woman interested in him would be t e one going after his perceived money which he pretended to have much more than he actually did. Now he actually looks like an arrtactive, fit guy.

I saw a youtube of him asking Anfisa if she would have been with him if he had no money, to which she replied that he wouldn't have been with her had she been fat and ugly either. (which is a great point btw)
found it:

You're right that a guy improving himself (or a girl) before looking gif someone is important to aiding success. If depends if they can really see what needs improving of course.

George was a bit of a fairly extreme case at the time though probably not unusual for the US. He was quite sizeably overweight and if course it didn't make him look great. It would not have looked good to her or many a girl then of course she may have had to sleep with him. In general the size issue would make him look low socially in her eyes and in many girls eyes and the bulk he was wouldn't have been easy to deal with.

He would have been better losing a little if that weight before. It's merely an exercise in calorie control. Potentially Anfisa wouldn't have treated him as badly then. I think shd saw it as he is getting what he wants in her, she then wants what shd wants out of him for having to be with him/put up with him. The looks she gives in that clip seem to show that she isn't that happy being with him. To be honest shd isn't all that, she's not alm that pretty but she's ok but George is just too out of shape to even fit with her.

[2tallbill]

There is no deception, I just wondered this it all was. How much do you know about the US? It's Culture, in the states you lived in, in states you haven't? Etc.

Here is what I would have done. (I have done this by the way).

Culture shock what a man needs to know about helping an FSUW.
AND what he needs to know to fit his culture with hers.

I would post it in the Married section (back when we had more than a
half dozen members participating).

I don't know how well your girl has adjusted to UK culture. You melding
with hers is another thing entirely. Get the boy romances girl part right
and you are well on you way.

Take a shower every single day + change your socks and underwear every
day as well would be my pro tip for any man from the UK.

It might cost you 50 pence extra per week at most. It's worth it!

[olgac]

Yes I agree Anfisa is not drop dead gorgeous but her she was 20! And has a great body especially now, she actually now has a job as a fitness trainer here in US. I think she also finished MBA and became US Citizen
http://www.instagram.com/anfisanava_/?hl=en

I disagree that she would have treated him better, she just seems to be a total golddigger
I saw her photo with and old and bald rich guy recently.
http://preview.redd.it/kayeehis2sh41.jpg?auto=webp&s=9481d0f88e1f7336f499d39dc7daca2fb1f696c3

But he would have been able to attract another good looking girl in Russia who was really into HIM
and perhaps without an appetite for 150K engagement ring or a 45K wedding dress (the most expensive in a store)
Hell, it seems like he didn't even need to go to Russia to find a hot wife with his new looks

And yeah I personally don't know how some women are able to have sex with a man they aren't physically
attracted to!  This is what I greatly vallue about my local young Belorussian friend: she might have too high
demands for a man she is willing to date but at least she won't sleep with a rich old guy just because he is willing
to pay her bills. Some women totally would!

[krimster2]

"what if you were hit by a car, and you didn't have clean undewear on"
to avoid that embaressment....
what i'd do if I was Trench...
is to use the skidmark as a natural background
paint a few trees, flowers around it
make it look like a rural landscape
then everyone will admire yur artisitc talent

Trench
Disaster Youtube Videos are a thing...
rednecks and hillbillys chasing after Hurricain Helen

Novichonk News From Ukraine
Oh The Humanity
if you don't ACT, somebody else will, cuz it's just too good of an opportunity for someone who otherwise lives a boring life
you can protect yurself from Novichok, mask and anti-dote, are readily available
I'd take protection for one more person, then when gas attack comes, find the prettiest woman, offer to save her, if she agrees to marry ya
get it in writing



what if in the future, you could take a drug, and lose all desire for intimacy with the opposite sex or sex in general
and any desire for human company

would you take it?
if no, why not?
what else would ya need to have instead?

whatever direction all the other shipwreck survivors are swimmin in...
i'd go in the other direction
sharks will all go after the crowd thrashing and not the lone swimmer

[ML]

George was a bit of a fairly extreme case at the time though probably not unusual for the US. He was quite sizeably overweight and if course it didn't make him look great. It would not have looked good to her or many a girl then of course she may have had to sleep with him. In general the size issue would make him look low socially in her eyes and in many girls eyes and the bulk he was wouldn't have been easy to deal with.

Not many here aside from owner Dan who remember back in the 1990s when there was the original Planet-Love.  It had three parts: Eastern Europe, South America, and Oriental (don't know exactly what the names were).

Anyway, way back then (1990s) there were a lot of FSU gals who would agree to become engaged to almost any guy to get out of the FSU.
There was a member who was a farmer in the midwest.
He was able to bring to USA on the fiancée visa plan a hot chick.
But after she arrived she refused to have sex with him and wanted to go back home.
Said she didn't want to have children who would grow up to be obese like  him.  He admitted he was built like a NFL lineman.
She told him she would clean his entire house as partial repayment for money he had expended, and then wanted to leave.
The guy was very frustrated and upset.
He posted on PL that he was thinking about going into house, dragging her to a bed and having sex.
The original old-timer Jack Bragg said:  No, No you don't want to do that.
Don't know if we ever heard from him again.
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As side story, I wasn't looking for a woman at that early date, but had stumbled on the PL website when I was inquiring about renting an apartment in a FSU city.  Turns out when you google apartments, PL came up as one of the resource websites !!

[olgac]

Wow! this is really strange! How did she get a K1 visa if they haven't met? And if they have met why would she come here
as his fiancee after she has seen him and knew she wouldn't be able to have sex with him?

[ML]

Wow! this is really strange! How did she get a K1 visa if they haven't met? And if they have met why would she come here
as his fiancee after she has seen him and knew she wouldn't be able to have sex with him?

Olga, as I mentioned this was in the 1990s.
Think back to those days.
Not you, but weren't there a lot of gals who would marry anyone to get out?
Sure they had met in FSU (don't remember which country) and went through the visa process.
Apparently she thought she could marry him despite his size, but after arriving had a serious change of heart/mind.

This was one of the cases you cautioned against, as in don't fail to have sex before marriage.  In this case, they should have had sex before filing for K-1.
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Just reminded me that I read story on FB of a young couple who live nearby our city house.  Very religious, as I gather.
He posted that they had even waited until marriage to share their first kiss !!  I certainly would not have waited, as she is quite a 'looker.'  The tall slender blond that many men are crazy about.  He is pretty good looking also.

[olgac]

Ah yes, back then many women really wanted to get out, especially during the crisis of 1998!
He should have had sex with her before bringing her here otherwise You never know
Though apparently many women were also really good at pretending too.

[Trenchcoat]

That's one caveat I would say, two actually:

1). If you overdo the self improvement might you end up attracting girls that would otherwise not naturally take interest. So perhaps better to go in decent and see whose interested and improve from there. That way you know there is a base level of interest from a girl to work from. Also how long can you maintain how you look, muscles need regular gym time to maintain, hair/beard needs regular trimming, clothes can last longer but updates & additions may be needed. You can get one pair of expensive shoes for example, but if you wear them all the time the girl is likely to notice that you don't seem to be able to afford choice in that (though possibly you just couldn't be arsed with getting any more). That's one thing I'll probably do soon as two pairs of expensive shoes won't wear our as quickly as one pair. Shoes obsession is usually a female thing though lol.

2. A girl can be too desperate. As the favourite saying of BillyB was on here a while back, 'once a girl is no longer desperate she stops acting like a desperately' or something like that. So while bad times can turf up a lot of women and guys that they wouldn't really want to know they will get with the moment they can move in from that situation they will do. For WM like George who didn't have a strong hand to play with at the time as he was over weight he would have been better going over to the FSU and keeping the relationship out there.

Potentially even out in the FSU George would have been better off losing a bit , but in general there is being in a good place dating game wise then there is knowing how to play the game. Even a guy who isn't all that, if he can play the game well and knows what hand to play and what his strongest hand is to play when stuff comes up, he's likely to do better than a guy who puts his foot in it and makes the situation worse for himself. I think that comes with experience and help of course on here. I put my foot in it a fair bit dating early in dating out in the FSU, I'm not claiming I am immune from that now but I think in general I've gotten better because of experience gained and help from others in here, Krim, BillyB, even 2tallbill etc.

[krimster2]

you guys are missing the point completely....
all you people who are "marginal" and who marry someone else who is marginal
would be better off remaining single, than ending up like the guy in the above video
but yur horny, and you've been brainwashed into wanting the white picket fence and a spouse, kids and 2 cats in the yard
so ya make a dumb decision and get married cuz ya think it's a step to solving "yur problems"
when in reality you NOW have a MUCH BIGGER PROBLEM cuz of yur dumb decision

didja ever think about that?
when the ODDS OF EVERYTHING in the universe, is stacked against you
hedge yur bests

or better yet, play another game, especially one that let's you cheat
if ya got dealt a REALLY poor hand

[olgac]

oh yeah! The game! I haven't heard about the game, PUA etc for a looong time!
Did You know the women have a "game" of their own.
When many FSUW in 15-20 years ago were leaving the men that brought them here, I remember
they all started dating (quite successfully I might add) and they swore by the book
"Why men love bitches" which from the reviews seems to teach women to play hard to get

[ML]

I NEVER followed up with a woman who was playing 'hard to get' or acted like a 'bitch' . . . except to get a final screw.
Too many women available to put up with any such.

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Reminds me of a  really funny or strange to understand situation way back when.

I had taken a gal to Crimea that I had previously had around 7 dates with in her FSU hometown.

We spent 4 weeks together seeing the many interesting sites in several Crimean cities/countryside.  She acted 'petulant' about every other day.  She did not act this way during our previous time together in her hometown.
But on the other days we had good time and a lot of good sex.

About halfway through the 4 weeks I decided she was not a keeper and planned to never meet with her again because of her petulant behavior.

Our last afternoon together we spent mostly in bed.

I told myself . . .  thank goodness I won't have to have sex with her any  more !!

I could have, of course, declined sex that afternoon.

But because of my curse of too strong of a sex drive . . . I performed anyway.

Pretty strange . . . yes ?

[krimster2]

what else happened in this dream?
I once had a dream, where monsters was chasing me
and I don't think them monsters was even from Earth
whatcha think about THAT, pretty weird, huh?

god help us, we're SO SCREWED....
who will lead the idiocracy to Victory

when the perfect storm comes to the USA's economy starting in about 10 more years, you'll ALL feel it....
it'll be addressed by "Gen Z"
which is ten times more incompetant than Russians

short the dollar and everything else
it's all going down, all of it
find a hill to stand on top of
and laugh yur ass off
when it does

assumin ya ain't already dead

[olgac]

I NEVER followed up with a woman who was playing 'hard to get' or acted like a 'bitch' . . . except to get a final screw.
Too many women available to put up with any such.

I haven't read the book personally but the Russian women who swore by it claimed that being a bitch didn't mean
being rude or snotty or anything like that, it meant being feminine and pleasant BUT not behaving like You can't live
without a man, but instead behaving like You have many other options and might not need a man at all.
Like I remember that if he calls You don't pick up, let it go to messages, don't call back right away, or for example, if he visits, don't cook him anything elaborate to impress, expect mostly him to bring food over. Let him invest a lot into the relationship, because "men value things they put a lot of money and effort into"
I found this summary http://www.sincerelyisyss.com/post/100-attraction-principles-from-why-men-love-b-tches

I donno, I think any smart person will see right through any "games" their partner is playing be it men games or women games.

[Admin]

Not many here aside from owner Dan who remember back in the 1990s when there was the original Planet-Love.  It had three parts: Eastern Europe, South America, and Oriental (don't know exactly what the names were).

Anyway, way back then (1990s) there were a lot of FSU gals who would agree to become engaged to almost any guy to get out of the FSU.
There was a member who was a farmer in the midwest.
He was able to bring to USA on the fiancée visa plan a hot chick.
But after she arrived she refused to have sex with him and wanted to go back home.
Said she didn't want to have children who would grow up to be obese like  him.  He admitted he was built like a NFL lineman.
She told him she would clean his entire house as partial repayment for money he had expended, and then wanted to leave.
The guy was very frustrated and upset.
He posted on PL that he was thinking about going into house, dragging her to a bed and having sex.
The original old-timer Jack Bragg said:  No, No you don't want to do that.
Don't know if we ever heard from him again.
- - - - - -
As side story, I wasn't looking for a woman at that early date, but had stumbled on the PL website when I was inquiring about renting an apartment in a FSU city.  Turns out when you google apartments, PL came up as one of the resource websites !!

P-L remains online for those with an interest in Asia or Latin America  -- http://www.planet-love.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=1e0ed3d79be8c9b42bdce3d453f4eccd&action=forum


The older posts from P-L also remain online in a searchable archive going back to 2001 -- http://www.planet-love.com/smf/

[olgac]

Interesting... I already had this impression that men mostly switched to Latinas and Asians and the interest in FSU has long ago subsided. And on PL i see active topics in both Latina and Asian sections but Russian has last post in 2008 so this confirms my guess.

[krimster2]

dating desperados...sliding down the slippery slope
Female Inmate Prison Pen Pals will be their next "Dating Frontier"
cuz WE ALL deserve a "second chance" in life

[Trenchcoat]

I think western dating has become plagued with dating theories, psychology, techniques in the last decade or so. The more and more western dating doesn't work out the more western dating get deluged with these and in general they make the dating game even more harder the more people that use them in my opinion.

In my view they get people thinking in very rigid ways about what is going on in dating, how to act, etc. Dating doesn't have to be that difficult or shouldn't be. Even if these theories, psychology, techniques, etc work in the short term or occasionally they invariably majd it harder over time as people pick up rigid even oddball ideas about dating of them.

For example they can make you think your partner is acting in a specific way and there is an issue to be had on it, when really your partner is just acting randomly without any set game plan, or thinking they are being the way some theory etc is telling you they are being.

Most of these theories, psychology & techniques are plentiful online, in news feeds, on YouTube, Social Media, etc these days so they can be a menace. One old theory I remember from way back though, I forget the book title but it was reasonably well known, was these female authors banging on to a female audience that they shouldn't ask a guy or possibly not even help on that front but instead leave it all to the guy. Apparently they suggested long term outcomes would be better for the girl in doing this. I just felt it was the most unhelpful but if clap trap I've ever heard. If people are interested in each other enough they should both make an effort in my view. Having ond lazily sitting back making it awkward for the other party that they are interested in anyway ask them out makes no sense, it's just stupid. If anything having such an attitude just f*cks up the dating situation even more.

It's what I like about the FSU, you can just go date and enjoy doing so without a lot of stupidness brought into it. I found from dating in the FSU there is no need for it, you can just go date and not have a big deal made of it, quite refreshing really

[olgac]

You are so naive
Trust me: there are a lot of similar dating advice videos for women in Russian!
I recently was sent by my friend Russian videos of a woman basically re-telling the advice from "Why men love bitches"
this is why I remembered this book in the first place: the advice sounded strangely familiar

[krimster2]

westerners are the most naive people Russians could ever hope to meet

they're socially conditioned to behave "a certain way" in the West

in Russia, they think differently...
they have no Kultura of sincerity or integrity
EVERYONE being concerned solely with their own self-interest
cuz everyone in Russia, lives close to the "edge", so ya always gotta look out for numero uno
whenever an opportunity happens to do so

WTF, would you EVER wanna date somebody like this, let alone be legally joined with them?
they will "sell ya out" first chance they get
OTOH, to some degree, aren't we ALL inherently selfish, greedy animals with voracious appetites?
willing to eat each other
cuz nature, she made us this way

in the long run, I honestly don't see how this works out for humanity
given the choices the average human has in their life
and for everyone everywhere there is endless strife

only a total fool would make a bargain with the devil
but here we all are, ready to sign on the dotted line

for a chance at heaven
yur willin to risk hell
which way will the coin flip fer ya?

maybe, yur better off, eatin frozen microwavable meals (don't overcook), and pleasureing yurself with Porn (wait for the new AI Porn!)
than livin down below in a firey pit
when yur dream becomes a nightmare

I undestand extinctionists, I think they may be on to something....
it won't matter...


blessed are the poor...
the ugly....
those with unpleasant body odor
the mentally challenged

for they shall inherit nothing....nothing at all....
not a damned thing, shall be given unto them

so, if it's not too much to ask O'Lord
please, bless them lord...
at least grant them that one thing

in Jesus's name, I beseech the, O'Lord
bestow yur blessings upon all who are poor in spirit

Bishop Krimster of Chersonnes, now in exile, due to Russian occupation
in his letter to the Bishop of Chernobil and the Holy Exclusion Zone

discussing the condition of pilgrims walking the Desna River Trail in Chernigov oblast
who went down to the river to pray

Dnipro Negro
Volga River Boatmen
pull that barge
Razovyom my kudryavu

ras va three
kick zem in ze knee
ras va ras
kick zem in ze other knee

haha, ya'll thought I was gonna say "ass" didn't ya?
haha pridorki!!!

Dear Vladimir Vladimirovich..
You phuqed-up
you shoulda hired me, and protected me
I coulda leveraged The Commonwealth of Independent States into complete ownership of Ukraine's oil and gas industry
and used it to control Ukraine's entire economy

give Ukrainian oligarchs yur assurances
and then later purge and replace with yur druzya

you may have had to kill a few stubborn Ukrainians in power, but those would be the only shots fired
complete staff for managing this entire Project would be under 50 people in some Moscva office space

vrs 2.5 years of war that yur losing

all I woulda wanted would've been a land grant in Siber
fer being yur Zhid advisor, and do you have ANY idea what I could've done for you in Israel?
do you want ALL of Iron Dome, or just a piece?
semiconductors? crypto?
plus you'd have had Exxon/Mobile on board
and no sanctions

Borgoi Moi
WTF have you done!!!
Multi-Trillion dollars loss? phuque!!!
if that money was capital investment istead of waste....
look at the freakin GDP since Crimea...WTF?????
and so many dead and injured russians, oligarchs can't find enuff robotniki and you raised their taxes
and that's not the only thing hard to find in Russia now
nobody can find automobile parts anymore, WTF???
new car? what's that?

I have a good mind, to come over there, and remove you from power, the old fashioned way
and ya know what
Russians would freakin thank me
they'd kiss my hand and skazal "Spossiba Krimster, 'Spossiba
and fall on their knees in gratitude

arise Russians....
you are free

yes friends,
like Sherman's march to the sea
I have been eradicating cannabis, burning the crop, one plant at a time
in the name of maintaing the Union
and ensuring that ALL MEN shall live FREE!!

Tonight I was attending a Theater performance with President Lincoln
on the Virtual Reality Headset

I was unable to interced, and save the president, so I quickly switched it off
only to discover that it's NOT REALLY a virtual reality headset
but a Time Machine disguised as one!!!

how clever of THEM!!!!

PS

Please believe me, that EVERY word I write here is TRUE.
no fabrication, exaggeration or hyperbole

only PRAVDA!!!!!


the reality is,
NOTHING is real
it's ALL in yur head
all of it

[ML]

Women (or men) acting a certain way because it is supposed to be the way to 'snag' someone.

However, since not all men (or women) will react the 'anticipated' way, the key is to be able to 'read' the person (victim) to know which tactic will work with them.

Reminds me of the situation I encountered last week where the person (salesman) totally misread the type of person I am.

Each time someone enters Lowes (or some such) they are asked if they want to get  estimates for X, Y, Z.  In this case it was for Leafguard or Leafshield (can't remember which).   I always say no; but this time I said OK because I did need such.  I assumed the price would be too high as it  usually is when such persons are paid to be in Lowes, national advertising is involved, and a representative will come  to your house (rather than them just telling the price per lineal feet, etc.)

So the guy came did some measuring etc., while I was back in my office.
Then came the knock on the front door.
I told him to come around to kitchen door (I don't let people come onto oak flooring with shoes on) where we could use the island top.

He had been extremely pleasant and continued.
He went through a long song and dance show (and showed examples of inferior competitor products) which I didn't need and kept asking what questions I had.
Finally I just said:  Let's see the price.
The price  was about 5 times what I would be willing to pay.
So I told him as I always do . . . we will think about it and get back with you.

Then, where his big 'misread' of me came in . . . as he began the 'high pressure' techniques.  What do you need to think about, etc., etc.?

Finally I said: we are done here.
He: why are we done, don't be that type of guy, why did you call me down to your house?
Me: getting up, opening exit door, and repeating, we are done.
He: let's talk this over like adults.
Me: get out!
He: thanks a lot for wasting my day.

He completely misread me, so not a very good salesman.
I would never respond positively to high pressure tactics or ever succumb to such.

Same result would occur if a woman tried to play games with me.

[ML]

Interesting... I already had this impression that men mostly switched to Latinas and Asians and the interest in FSU has long ago subsided. And on PL i see active topics in both Latina and Asian sections but Russian has last post in 2008 so this confirms my guess.

Not the correct interpretation Olga.

What happened was the FSU component split off from the original P-L site and came here.
So the FSU site within P-L faded out.
Thus no inferences can be drawn from the lack of postings in the FSU component of P-L.

There was a ton of action here on RWD until economic slowdown, Covid hitting, and then the Russian terrorist invasion of Ukraine.