TverRomance

[Maxx2]

Another big problem is when it's NOT in the agency's best interest for allot of letters to be translated. This is the case with membership that offers unlimited letters at no additional costs like TR did for me. So using Dan's suggestion to state this clearly, they would have their ladies (the real ones or the translators) write that they are so busy and only stop by the agency once a month. This means far less work for the agency and less need for a large translating staff and without it lower operating costs (payroll) and more profit for Natasha Deeva. Then when the membership is about to expire have the woman or women he was writing to send him very encouraging letters that is all fluffed up by the translators. This encourages him to renew his membership and more money flows to TR. 

Maxx

[GREGK]

After seeing Ms. Deeva's Intro/Icebreaker I thought that she might enlighten us about their business practices. Perhaps several memberships are due to expire and all of their computers are tied up. Or maybe she read Maxx's posts and decided not to bother.

[Admin]

After seeing Ms. Deeva's Intro/Icebreaker I thought that she might enlighten us about their business practices. Perhaps several memberships are due to expire and all of their computers are tied up. Or maybe she read Maxx's posts and decided not to bother.

Or... maybe give her the benefit of the doubt and await her reply.

Speculation serves no useful purpose (IMO).

- Dan

[GREGK]

Sir- In the immortal words of Adlai Stevenson to the U.N. Soviet Rep. Valerian Zorin, " I am prepared to wait for my answer until hell freezes over."

[Admin]

Sir- In the immortal words of Adlai Stevenson to the U.N. Soviet Rep. Valerian Zorin, " I am prepared to wait for my answer until hell freezes over."

Beyond waiting for your answers - are you here at RWD for any OTHER reason? Are you planning to make any contributions, or simply to air your 'beef' with TR?

Just curious.

- Dan

[GREGK]

Yes Dan I do have a lot I can contribute. At the moment that contribution is in regards to my experience with two of the four agencies located in Tver. So far it has been my experience that their main goal is separating AM from their money. I do apologize if my posts seem rude and abrupt. I'll shut up and give Ms. Deeva a chance to respond.

[Michelangelo]

Actually, I'm amazed that our reaction is not stronger against agencies that scam men.

It's a horrible deception and a sordid crime.

It's a crime that operates in the area of a man's emotions, as well as his pocketbook.

Imagine, a man writes for weeks to a girl that exists, but an agency makes up personal letters from her to you and she never knows you exist. 

And imagine that the man spends thousands of dollars to visit this woman and finds nothing in common with her, because she knows nothing about him, even though the man and "she" have exchanged dozens of letters.  Might it have been better to meet the translator of his letters? 

I once spent a week in Kharkov with a "professional dater."  The girl and I had dinner with the agency owner and his wife and children.  They must have had great fun teasing among themselves about this foolish American man who was paying them more than a thousand dollars to meet this girl and spend time with her.

Men, I think we need to unite and take strong action against such agencies.

If not, I advise the newbies three things:

1)  Beware booking a trip via an agency where you go to meet one girl; instead, just pay by the letter and go meet the girls you are interesed in.

2) Be skeptical and question everything.

3) Don't go for the most beautiful girls in the agency listings.  Chances are they are not truly available.

Having said these things, I make no judgements against TR.  I have never had dealings with them.  But I have read here they share profiles with BeHappy, and I did have a bad experience with that agency in Tver.   And as I said in # 2 above, that makes me skeptical.

[Maxx2]

Sometimes it takes a situation that someone feels strongly about to have them make their first posts on a message board.

For me getting scammed out of some money is no big deal. I've seen far, far worse things that can happen to a guy than some charges on phony "ghost written" letters or even the visa/ticket scam. Guys in my circle see this as nothing in compared to what they went through.

There three issues with these agencies that really do work me up. One is some of them threaten their women clients if they don't meet men or fork over money sent for flowers or English lessons. The second their collusion with GCG scams. The other issue is getting in the way of what could have turned into a happy marriage. It's either "use us or we'll mess things up for you".

If an agency sends out phoney letters you can never know what else they are capable of doing.

Maxx

[Admin]

Yes Dan I do have a lot I can contribute. At the moment that contribution is in regards to my experience with two of the four agencies located in Tver. So far it has been my experience that their main goal is separating AM from their money. I do apologize if my posts seem rude and abrupt. I'll shut up and give Ms. Deeva a chance to respond.

Greg,

Actually, my preference is that you make those contributions. Of 14 or 15 posts from you, they have ALL been focused on airing your grievance. OK. I get that. But how about sharing with us your experiences in OTHER ways - so that we might benefit from what you've learned outside of your aggravation with a couple of agencies?

That was my point.

- Dan

[KenC]

Actually, I'm amazed that our reaction is not stronger against agencies that scam men.

It's a horrible deception and a sordid crime.

It's a crime that operates in the area of a man's emotions, as well as his pocketbook.

Imagine, a man writes for weeks to a girl that exists, but an agency makes up personal letters from her to you and she never knows you exist. 

And imagine that the man spends thousands of dollars to visit this woman and finds nothing in common with her, because she knows nothing about him, even though the man and "she" have exchanged dozens of letters.  Might it have been better to meet the translator of his letters? 

I once spent a week in Kharkov with a "professional dater."  The girl and I had dinner with the agency owner and his wife and children.  They must have had great fun teasing among themselves about this foolish American man who was paying them more than a thousand dollars to meet this girl and spend time with her.

Men, I think we need to unite and take strong action against such agencies.

If not, I advise the newbies three things:

1)  Beware booking a trip via an agency where you go to meet one girl; instead, just pay by the letter and go meet the girls you are interesed in.
2) Be skeptical and question everything.

3) Don't go for the most beautiful girls in the agency listings.  Chances are they are not truly available.
Having said these things, I make no judgements against TR.  I have never had dealings with them.  But I have read here they share profiles with BeHappy, and I did have a bad experience with that agency in Tver.   And as I said in # 2 above, that makes me skeptical.

I understand that guys that have had bad experiences with agencies tend to over react, but I disagree with the highlighted part of the advice given.  If you take care and select a reputable agency to begin with, you need not worry about every little detail.  I used LTP and let them coordinate my entire trip.  They didn't let me down and for a first time traveler to Russia, there is enough on your plate not to be burdened by the details.  Maybe my flat wasn't the greatest or the cheapest, but it was handled and I lived through it.  A little "hand holding" on the first trip goes a long way in my book.

I also disagree with the best looking women not being real or available.  If I believed that, I wouldn't be married for the last 7 years!  I say "choose your agency wisely and all will be well."
KenC

[Admin]

I also disagree with the best looking women not being real or available.  If I believed that, I wouldn't be married for the last 7 years!  I say "choose your agency wisely and all will be well."
KenC

Ken,

At the risk of asking you to repeat what you have probably written a hundred time before - what would be YOUR considerations in choosing an agency if you were setting out to find a wife now?

- Dan

[Michelangelo]

  A little "hand holding" on the first trip goes a long way in my book.

I can agree with this, especially if the guy had not traveled abroad before.

I did not say not to use an agency; I was talking about "buying" a trip package. 

But, the key here then is that he HAS to select a good agency.  How?  Listen to the advice posted by the guys here who have had good experiences.

So KenC, I was not simply attacking agencies.  I was talking about "buying" a trip from an agency.

I think agencies have a role;  I just made a very positive post about Cindy Agency in another strand.  But an all inclusive trip makes little sense to me.

And what does it mean to "use" an agency? Must you buy a trip?   Confidential Connections (CC) charges $1500 to $2500 for a trip.  That was what I was referring to in my original post above.

Cindy Agency simply allows you to pay for the services you need-- apartment-- terps--dates with girls you have not written.

My trip to Cindy cost about $400 in agency fees.  CC cost $1500.

And the quality of Cindy was much higher.

[Michelangelo]

I also disagree with the best looking women not being real or available.  If I believed that, I wouldn't be married for the last 7 years! 

I didn't say they were not real.  They have to be real if the agency sets up appointments for you to be with her.  But typically the movie star looking girls are very busy dating lots of tourists, as well as local guys.

My point is to look on down the ranking list.  Instead of just looking at the 10s in the top 20 girls, look at the 9s on down the list.

They are all beautiful, so show some attention to the girl who is getting 5 letters a day, not 100. 

i also found a beautiful girl at an agency; we have been together 1 year now.  I know, I know--I'll check back with you in 6 more years 

[Rvrwind]

Our Agency has always, still does & always will be pay for what you use.
I disagree with trip packages that include interpreters & drivers, stuff that you pay for everyday but may use very little in reality. You always have days your not dating or just want to kick back & take a breather but your paying for that intepreter for 10 hours in most cases, whether you use her or not & that to me is the biggest rip-off in the full sevice agencies. As wll as the apartment prices, totally outragous & overpriced, especially for a Russian style flat.
There are much better deals out there & we are one of them. On top of that I can guarrantee 100% that every woman in our agency is real & is in a serious search, you will not find any scammers or GCG in our books, that I can guarrantee.

[Admin]

Our Agency has always, still does & always will be pay for what you use.
I disagree with trip packages that include interpreters & drivers, stuff that you pay for everyday but may use very little in reality. You always have days your not dating or just want to kick back & take a breather but your paying for that intepreter for 10 hours in most cases, whether you use her or not & that to me is the biggest rip-off in the full sevice agencies. As wll as the apartment prices, totally outragous & overpriced, especially for a Russian style flat.
There are much better deals out there & we are one of them. On top of that I can guarrantee 100% that every woman in our agency is real & is in a serious search, you will not find any scammers or GCG in our books, that I can guarrantee.

Richard,

Not meaning to 'put you on the spot' - but are you able to list the major considerations which sets your agency apart from others? Or maybe another way to say it - what are the 'differentiators' which you would like guys to know about your agency?

- Dan

[Bruno]

On top of that I can guarrantee 100% that every woman in our agency is real & is in a serious search, you will not find any scammers or GCG in our books, that I can guarrantee.

Ok, for the scammers maybe your can be a control freak... but it can always happen that one of your girl scam a man after a meeting, when she don't need you anymore for communication... how much time a guy meet a sexy girl, during a short stay, last night in bed together... once home, the girl ask money for GSM, computer, the mother who is hill... once receive what she wish, she seek any detail in the guy e-mail for have some reason to break-out before the relation become more serious... and next "customer" ...

About GCG, how do you know it... do you use the penthotal or the lie detector... maybe you are able to read mind ?

Richard, never guarrantie something at 100% when the risk is not only related to you... You have a few girls now... you site is like a little communauty where everybody know each other... but with time, you will grow... it will be impossible to know personaly each girl enough for be sure of her...

[Rvrwind]

Not quite sure what you mean Dan...But I'll lay out some things that most of you are probably unaware of as you are only connected with one aspect of our agency, a small one at that, I might add. There is much more going on than what you see on the Tver Angels website.
I think the biggest thing is that we can garrantee that you will not find a woman in our program that is a pro dater, a GCG or an outright scammer. I know everbody is thinkin' 'How in the!! can I guarrantee that?' Well it ain't no big secret & was easy enough to achieve & the proof is as they say 'in the pudding'. I can guarrantee it because every woman in our programs of which we have several has paid to be there. Just for Bruno I'll say 95%!
They do not just walk in off the street & get to sign up for free & get a free photo shoot or told they are in a modelling contest. First they must express a desire to want to be in one or more of our programs. Then they make an appointment for an interveiw which can last anywhere from 1-3 hours as we grill them pretty good & we let them know the rules right up front. We  let them know what we expect of them & what they should expect from us.
Unlike other agencies that take any woman that walks through the door, we do not. We turn down plenty, believe it. If they don't have the right answers to the right questions we won't even sign them up & of course they have to pay, just like the guys do, although more in line with there lifestyle & earnings but still enough to make sure that none of them are going to "Pay to Play" as I like to say.
Now some of you are going to flip, "Charge the women!!!!!" I'll tell you what, they pay it & I'll tell you why from the feedback we have recieved from them.
!/They get much better treatment & service help from us than any other agency they have delt with. Having paid they are a full fledged paying client just like the men & are entitled to be treated as such. They are not a commodity that can be bannterd about.
2/We have 5 separate programs within' one agency & work with four websites of which two are our own & the other two are not. We have access to over 7.5 million men & women. From the womans point of veiw this is great.
3/Besides being an Intenationa Service we are a Russian Service, we introduce Russian Men to Russian Women & vice versa, something no other company in Tver does. In fact it has turned out to be more active & lucrative than waiting for foreigners to get their heads outa their butts & get on a friggin' plane. Most guys procrastinate so long the ladies just say to he!! with it & move on.
Our Russian service is two separate programs, one for locals to meet locals, Tver & region. This is done complely in house without website support. The second program is men & women anywhere in Russia. We have contacts in some of the Northern most towns & remote places that are connected with the oil patch & suchlike. There are plenty of men but not a whole lounch of ladies, we found a way to do this & I am so far most pleased with the results!
4/Several ladies that have come to us expessed concern over the fact that they were quite positive that the interpreters at a couple of other agencies were sabotaging their chances with certain clients. In a couple of the cases mentioned I am aware that the guy ended up marrying the interpreter.
All our Terps are married or not interested in marrying a foreigner, it is a prerequisit to employment. They are not permited to be Terps & in the progrm or any other program in any other agency in the city. They are either a Terp or a client but cannot be both. They are also not permitted to date the male clients.
We also collect feedback from the guys & monitor the ladies dating habits, if we find a pattern of no shows or other such activity, we have a chat with her. We cannot just remove her from the program as she paid to be there but we can remind her that if she doesn't participate & show more interest that she is basically wasting her money. If there is one thing a RW hates, its wasting money!
Basically what you see  on our website is purely marketing to a select group. We do have some ladies that for reasons of their own really want to find a westener. The ladies & men in our Russian programs, you will never see as it is marketed to a whole different segment.
All our services are pay as you go, no matter what you use. I had a fellow not long ago whose wife & 2 kids came back for a visit with the family without him as he was tied up working.. He needed a car & driver from the airport to Tver & return. He wasn't coming to see ladies & that was the only service he wanted, we were the only company that didn't turn town his request because he wasn't buying a Full Service Package, We handled it for him, he didn't have to worry about anything. We even picked up his mother-in-law so she could meet the plane. We provided nothing else but he got the same as everybody else.
We structured our services so that you don't pay one kopeck for things you are not getting but you still get he same treatment & respect. We also structured the services so that we can dicker & get the best deal we can for you. A lot of what we do is handled by sub-contractors. But every one of them is people that we know & some we have worked with in the past.
In that regard we don't have a photo studio & a full time photographer, we sub contract to a fellow we are familiar with who has & does all that for a price we can live with. Same as our tourist stuff, fishing trips etc. They are sub-contracted to the people who have the fcilities, know how & epertise. We negotiate a better deal which we pass on to you. We do the same thing with some other services like English & Russian Lessons, yes we do have both but it hasn't been added to the site yet, but it will.
By subcontracting it keeps our costs down & lets us give you a better deal.
I would like to also touch on why we charge by the letter for writing & not a membership. As most of you are aware something like 95-97% of the guys who write never show up, but they are still using our Translators & our services & most of them are very avid letter writers. Now if I charge a membership that means I have to pick up the costs somewhere & thats why a full service agency charges big bucks, because the guys who do show up have to pay for those who don't. That is why I make the "Keyboard Romeos" pay. It allows me to keep my other costs down & pass that on to those who do show up..
Our ladies get to write letters for FREE & the guys get to open them for FREE, translated & all. Actually I believe a couple of members of this board recieved letters a short time ago from a lady who just signed up (yes, she is real guys). She is so serious in this endeavour she wrote 15 guys in her first week in the program. Nice lady, very serious but unfortunately not as attractive or slim as most guys here would like. But I guarrantee she would make a man sooooo happy he wouldn't know what to do with himself. The lady also gets  hard copy of her letter from you translated to Russian. We only read them over the phone in extreme cases & she is still given the hard copy in Russian. I have yet to figure out what good the letter does her in English if she doesn't know English! Duh!!! But moost agencies Still give out the letters in English.
We have put a lot of effort into designing ecursions & tours, in & around Tver inluding Moscow & SPB. We have our fishing getaways & a lot of othe stuff that will be added when the new sight design is launched. We even have apartments in SPB & are working on a couple iin Moscow. We have designed our agency not to just help you meet ladies, but to entertain you & show you a damn good time so that whether you find that special someone or not, you will always & forever remember our beautiful city & country.
We have geared our agency to serve anybody, male or female, Russian & non-Russian alike. It doesn't matter if you are looking for a life partner or just want to holiday & sight see or if you want something a liittle different to do with your special lady, we have geared our agency to provide as much as we possibly can. We are currently working a deal to be able to provide Shennigan Visas (sp.) for ladies who want to meet men iin Europe. Another service we will add soon as an agreement is reached.
I like to think that even at my age I am still a forward thinker, alway thinking ahead & outside the box. I try to stear this company down a path that no other ageny has dared to go & it is working. I hope to come up with even more ideas in the near future & implement them as well.
Things are not the way they were 2-3 years ago, times have changed & if you don't change with them, well as they say, you snooze, you loose!
But the biggest thing that is diferent between us & all the other agencies here is, we have a native English speaker on the ground 365 days a year. This is my home & I love it here, by being here & living as the people here live has given me insights that nobody else that hasn't lived here will ever totally understand, plus I still speak pretty good English!!
This turned out to be longer than I though & for that I apologize.

[Admin]

Not quite sure what you mean Dan...But I'll lay out some things that most of you are probably unaware of as you are only connected with one aspect of our agency, a small one at that, I might add. There is much more going on than what you see on the Tver Angels website.

You understood just fine. Nice job. I have a few follow-on questions (below):

I think the biggest thing is that we can garrantee that you will not find a woman in our program that is a pro dater, a GCG or an outright scammer. I know everbody is thinkin' 'How in the!! can I guarrantee that?' Well it ain't no big secret & was easy enough to achieve & the proof is as they say 'in the pudding'. I can guarrantee it because every woman in our programs of which we have several has paid to be there. Just for Bruno I'll say 95%!
They do not just walk in off the street & get to sign up for free & get a free photo shoot or told they are in a modelling contest. First they must express a desire to want to be in one or more of our programs. Then they make an appointment for an interveiw which can last anywhere from 1-3 hours as we grill them pretty good & we let them know the rules right up front. We  let them know what we expect of them & what they should expect from us.
Unlike other agencies that take any woman that walks through the door, we do not. We turn down plenty, believe it. If they don't have the right answers to the right questions we won't even sign them up & of course they have to pay, just like the guys do, although more in line with there lifestyle & earnings but still enough to make sure that none of them are going to "Pay to Play" as I like to say.

Can you tell me, in more detail about your comment; "what we expect of them & what they should expect from us."??

What, specifically, do you expect from the women who sign up with you? And what are the 'entitlements' you offer to the girls?

Now some of you are going to flip, "Charge the women!!!!!" I'll tell you what, they pay it & I'll tell you why from the feedback we have recieved from them.
!/They get much better treatment & service help from us than any other agency they have delt with. Having paid they are a full fledged paying client just like the men & are entitled to be treated as such. They are not a commodity that can be bannterd about.

While you didn't state it, it is implied that if the woman does NOT pay a fee, then some agencies will NOT consider them a "client" and will not treat them with equal regard/consideration as a paying client. Did I interpret that correctly?

2/We have 5 separate programs within' one agency & work with four websites of which two are our own & the other two are not. We have access to over 7.5 million men & women. From the womans point of veiw this is great.

Not sure I understand. How is it you have "access to over 7.5 million men & women"??

4/Several ladies that have come to us expessed concern over the fact that they were quite positive that the interpreters at a couple of other agencies were sabotaging their chances with certain clients. In a couple of the cases mentioned I am aware that the guy ended up marrying the interpreter.
All our Terps are married or not interested in marrying a foreigner, it is a prerequisit to employment. They are not permited to be Terps & in the progrm or any other program in any other agency in the city. They are either a Terp or a client but cannot be both. They are also not permitted to date the male clients.
We also collect feedback from the guys & monitor the ladies dating habits, if we find a pattern of no shows or other such activity, we have a chat with her. We cannot just remove her from the program as she paid to be there but we can remind her that if she doesn't participate & show more interest that she is basically wasting her money. If there is one thing a RW hates, its wasting money!

So among the "expectations" you established during the 'intake' briefing with the woman, you did NOT set any groundrules for de-listing?? Have you ever booted anyone out of the agency, or considered it? What are the circumstances which might prompt such an action?

All our services are pay as you go, no matter what you use. I had a fellow not long ago whose wife & 2 kids came back for a visit with the family without him as he was tied up working.. He needed a car & driver from the airport to Tver & return. He wasn't coming to see ladies & that was the only service he wanted, we were the only company that didn't turn town his request because he wasn't buying a Full Service Package, We handled it for him, he didn't have to worry about anything. We even picked up his mother-in-law so she could meet the plane. We provided nothing else but he got the same as everybody else.
We structured our services so that you don't pay one kopeck for things you are not getting but you still get he same treatment & respect. We also structured the services so that we can dicker & get the best deal we can for you. A lot of what we do is handled by sub-contractors. But every one of them is people that we know & some we have worked with in the past.
In that regard we don't have a photo studio & a full time photographer, we sub contract to a fellow we are familiar with who has & does all that for a price we can live with. Same as our tourist stuff, fishing trips etc. They are sub-contracted to the people who have the fcilities, know how & epertise. We negotiate a better deal which we pass on to you. We do the same thing with some other services like English & Russian Lessons, yes we do have both but it hasn't been added to the site yet, but it will.
By subcontracting it keeps our costs down & lets us give you a better deal.

Do you have a set price list which can be (or maybe *is*) published?

Richard, I know that's a lot of questions. I appreciate your candor and willingness to be open with me about these practices.

- Dan

[Rvrwind]

Can you tell me, in more detail about your comment; "what we expect of them & what they should expect from us."??

What, specifically, do you expect from the women who sign up with you? And what are the 'entitlements' you offer to the girls?

No problem. We have set certain criterin & rules that should in our opinins govern the men & the women. Tey re not rules that are goin to cause anybody any grief or anything, just certain things that should be considered out of respect for other people. I won't list them all but give a couple in o particular order that I can recll off the top of my head.
The first one that comes to mind is pictures, probably because we jst addd this one & still have some of the first men who joined that have not ompied but we re phoning & trying to get caught up with it. That is tht once having agreed to join the program they have 10 days to meet wit the phtogrpher & get their pics done. I am tired of waiting months for pictues. The same goes for guys, no pic with your profile, no problem, but if it sits on my desk for 10 days & still no pics, straight into the trash bin.
Another one is that if I guy writes to a lady she has to choices, to reply with a positive or negative answer, but she must reply. If she replies positively & continues correspondence with him & he comes to town, she will see him. If not there best be one he!! of a good reason why not.
Another on is that iif they moveor change phone #'s we must be notified within 5 days. If we try to contact her & cannot & we try more than 5 times to no avail, she is removed from the program. I like to keep my website up to date. I can add or remove a profile in less than 30 minutes.
As far as what we offer them that is kind of a grey area, LOL.
Many ladies come to the office every couple of days just to sit & chat, with either me or Marina or both. We stop whatever we are doing & talk with them. We give them morale support & become their friends. We also screen the men a best we can. Most of our foriegn men have been referrals from people I know or know of. If I smell something fishy contact those I know who know him & ask a few questions. We also screen all thier incoming letters & the Terps are not told no atter how vulgar it is you translate it, thats your job. We don't allow that crap through to the ladies, save that for when your in a relationship, not an intro letter. The treanslator readsthe letter before she translates it for the lady, any funny buisness & it is passed to me. If I think it too over the top, its right into the garbage & you won't e getting a reply or your money back.
Many ladies also use the internet through our office, we have puters set up for this. They like that much better than the IT Cafe's & f they need help with a guy they are writing or whatver, we are right there to help.
Theres more but this could get longer than the last one .

While you didn't state it, it is implied that if the woman does NOT pay a fee, then some agencies will NOT consider them a "client" and will not treat them with equal regard/consideration as a paying client. Did I interpret that correctly?

Yes, you did, I have seen it firt hand, although I won't start another mudslinging contest. Its mostly tht becuse they don't pay that they are pushed to the side for those who do pay, which is the men. The women don't get anwhere ner the help & services the mn get. They ain't paying so why should I care, was a line I was told by another gency owner.

Not sure I understand. How is it you have "access to over 7.5 million men & women"??

Through the websites we use. We work with a couple of other sites, one is bride.ru. We sign the ladies to the site, open an e mai account for them & they come o the office to pick up & answer mail or online chat. Before anbody says a dang thing, o, we do not do the write several letters & then hit the guy for a membership or buy credits scam. We just help the ladies who are not computer literate enough to do it on their own. We have a couple tht even paid for a conferance calls to men. These ladies are paying their own way & they like it that way. When done through bride.ru if the guy wants to come visit then we are brought up by the lady, but he is in no way obligated to use us. In fact we have a guy coming in Octber from Portugal that wants to see one of our ladies he met on bide.ru. He optde to do things himself, hotel etc. So be it, that is his perrogative & I don't have a problem with it. Plus he never paid to send or recieve one letter. We likely won't make one kopeck off this guy but I don't care, if it works out I just helped two mre good people find each other. By the way the same lady is paying for her own English lessons!!

So among the "expectations" you established during the 'intake' briefing with the woman, you did NOT set any groundrules for de-listing?? Have you ever booted anyone out of the agency, or considered it? What are the circumstances which might prompt such an action?

There are some ground rules but we also know that we canot be too harsh as they did pay for the service but we also know from past experience that certain rules are nessessary. Yes, I have removed two ladies & Marina & I are actually discussing a third one that we may or may not remove shortly. We also have one tha asked to be removed last week, she was on the homepage too, nice girl, sweet & good looking but young.

Do you have a set price list which can be (or maybe *is*) published?

Yes & no, LOL. We do have a set price list for certain things, they are listed on the sevices page on the website. If you are referring to what the ladies pay well that is between us & the ladies as it varies depending on whch program they choose & some choose 2 or three & what services they wish to use or do use. Its not so concrete that I can give an accurrate accounting but can run from 500 to 5000 roubles. The Russian men are paying about the same.

Richard, I know that's a lot of questions. I appreciate your candor and willingness to be open with me about these practices.

No Problem Dan, I got nothing to hide & nothng to be ashamed of. I am rurnning a buisness & to make it worth my while it has to make a profit. If the maket will bear the changes I have introduced, which obviously it has, then I have nothing to answer for other than the fact that our innovations are successful.

[av8or1]

Hey y'all,

How's everything going today?  I hope everyone is well.

'Just wanted to post a quick update.  As part of my research into deciding where to travel for my trip in November, I called and spoke with Natasha today at TR.  Our conversation lasted a good 40 minutes, for which I was appreciative of her time and willingness to answer my questions.  I asked about several things that were important to me, pretty generic stuff for the most part really, regarding issues like ATMs, apartments, airport transfers, etc.  Natasha answered everything I asked with the kind of detail that I value in a person.  I didn't receive any vague answers nor did I get the feeling at any time that she was being untruthful.  As others have reported, she speaks English very well too.  During the course of our talk Natasha offered to send me contact information of previous clients.  She did so without me requesting it.  I enjoyed speaking with her as our talk was pleasant and friendly.  Overall, I was impressed with Natasha and with our discussion.

So I have joined the agency as a full member.  I have narrowed my choices for my November trip to Tver or Vinnitsa.  If I go to Tver, I will use Natasha and her agency, that much I have decided.

I'll keep everyone posted about my decision.  Wherever I go, I will post a review in the "Reviews" section per Dan's request.  'Just wanted to let everyone know about my good conversation with Natasha.

Y'all take care.

Jerry

[Maxx2]

Dan, there's a guy trying to get a hold of you by PM. You need to respond to him. He has a story to tell.

Maxx 

[Admin]

Dan, there's a guy trying to get a hold of you by PM. You need to respond to him. He has a story to tell.

Maxx 

Maxx,

I am easy to reach. No-one matching that description has made any attemps (that I am aware of). Alternatively, you can give him my email address: icpilot_at_yahoo.com

- Dan

[Maxx2]

Will do Dan.  He's told me twice he's having a difficult time getting through to you. Posting here is kind of like sending smoke signals as everyone can see but I know you keep a close eye on this thread. He has some real confidentual things he needs to go over with you. For the rest of you it's a non-TR related problem of a difficult RW who is not Natasha Deeva.


Maxx     

[Rvrwind]

So I have joined the agency as a full member.  I have narrowed my choices for my November trip to Tver or Vinnitsa.  If I go to Tver, I will use Natasha and her agency, that much I have decided.

Thanks for proving a point I was trying to make in a thread sometime back. Just reinforced everything I have come to realize in this buisness. Thank you!

[Maxx2]

I am not sure what you wrote Richard but I had talk with this fellow last night.

It's about the women that attract his eye. There is but a few at TR and none at TA and LTP. I'm quite different though. For me it's women between the ages of 33 and 53, blond, brunette and redhead and between 155 cm to 186 cm tall. I can tolerate up to 25 kilos over weight on the tall ones and 12 kilos over weight on the short ones. Any or no breast size will do but I do appreciate sizes 3,4,5 and on up. I do not like tree trunk legs or webbed feet. I'm a face man.

I'm sure N.D. was smooth.

Maxx