TverRomance

[Maxx2]

Finding a man is difficult for these women. Even the pretty ones. There are women that IMO are gorgeous but rarely get a visitor and those guys are like Jerry in that they are meeting many women.
Quote from Jerry:
"For his honesty, I will throw some business his way when I go to Tver by meeting with the 2 or 3 (maybe 4, can't remember now) women in his agency who interested me.  Unfortunately for him, TR just had a significantly higher number of women who interested me, that's all."

So for Jerry at least 10 women or so. Marc will get some of Jerry's business even though most of it will be with Natasha. Like I said everyone works together and they wouldn't if they said ugly truths about each other.

Maxx 

[TwoBitBandit]

Natasha,

Today I would like to say a few words regarding [...] servicing a customer on a “per meeting” basis

Natasha, the debate here is not about your business model.  You're entitled to run a business where men must buy the "full package" from you in order to meet the women in your agency.

First of all, I feel that the reason behind the attack our agency and I are experiencing here is that certain American men can’t put up with the fact that a few Russian women can start and operate a company [...]

Natasha, I think that this is totally off-base.  The problem is neither that you are a woman nor that you are Russian.  I certainly don't care about either one.  Even though Richard is your competitor, I've met him and used his services.  I found him to be straightfoward and honest, and I don't think his involvement in this debate is just to opportunistically slander your business.

Most guys in this process (at least the intelligent ones) realize that they're swimming with the sharks.  They're looking someone honest to guide them through the process.  They're aware the dog-eat-dog aspect of Russian culture.  They're looking for someone to look out for their interest in this process.

To make the right choice, they need to know that the person whose service they're relying on will behave with appropriate ethics.  That's why reputation is important.

There are allegations right now that you:
1.  Falsify letters
2.  Stole LTP's database when you started your own company

We're looking for you to respond to and discuss these two issues (especially the first).  Everything you've written so far is just marketing drivel, and doesn't address the concerns people have in this thread.

P.S. Bruce, I will attend to every allegation, be sure.

Hopefully, that's what you came here for!  All I've seen is a bunch of rhetoric and no substantial rebuttal to what people are saying about you and your agency.  Where is the substance?

[Bruno]

Two more page on these topic... and from both side, we have only a lot of words who prove anything...

During my conversation with Natasha about pulling my profile she asked me a question "Did Svetlana say she did not write that letter?" "Yes she did" I answered.

Maxx, you say that you have record these conversation... will be interesting to hear these, specially how it have happen that TR ask you "Did Svetlana say she did not write that letter?"...

We keep and store all the files, both word.docs on the computer and handwritten letters in a box, as well as all letters and messages taken over the telephone. I personally do not find it very ethical to post personal correspondence on a public board, so I will try to avoid it, but I want the members to know that if this becomes the only way to prove that our agency and me personally are being treated unfairly, I suppose an exception could be made, and this subject will be closed once and for good.

Now, Natasha have say in her first reply that she keep archive from everything... So, if she is not guilty of fake letter, she need to have the original hand writted letter !

Richard have say that Svetlana have confirm that she have not write these letter... so, it seem that Richard have evidence...

E-mail from Anya, Richard terp :

From: Anya
Saturday, February 26, 2005 4:39 AM
Subject: important details on visit to Svetlana

after a 10-minute-talk she decided to tell us that Natasha Deeva, the owner of this agency, is a good friend of hers, that's why she goes there very often and they know much about her and could have written that letter. (the false one)
Anya

So, everybody say to have evidence... but everybody write a lot and nobody show these evidence... It is not more the RWD but the "Jerry Springer show"... i am sure that these topic will become the more long of RWD if Dan don't close it... and that in the end, we will never know who say the true...

[Maxx2]

Pretty strange 2 pages of this thread are missing. I know it was up to page 16 and Richard had something to say about a certain experience of his at the offices of LTP 3 years ago...

Maxx

[BC]

Technical glitch.  Think Dan's working on it.

[Maxx2]

Check out my "Best of Intentions" thread. A startling new develoment in the Gary story.

Maxx

[Marc Dayton]

I only looked at the last 3 pages of this post so I will only post to some of this stuff. By the way this is 100% the reason I don’t post much on this board or any other there are many bitter fools on this these boards you know who you are.

This is just like the old story of how bad the toilet was on the second Flore of the LTP office it never ends.

show us the proof and move on, but I am sheer in 10 years from know just like the bad toilet I will see this same story time after time. Sorry Maxx, but put the effort into finding a wife it will be better time spent then letting someone get you all fired up time after time.
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Twobitbandi


Natasha, I think that this is totally off-base.  The problem is neither that you are a woman nor that you are Russian.  I certainly don't care about either one.  Even though Richard is your competitor, I've met him and used his services.  I found him to be straightfoward and honest, and I don't think his involvement in this debate is just to opportunistically slander your business.
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By Marc
TwoBitbandi your joking are you being paid to say BS like this are you getting a free trip from Richard did you post a story about the RW you meet in Richards service if so please tell me were the post is I want to read about the RW you meet in his agencies ?. I don't think his involvement in this debate is just to opportunistically slander your business.

Please read Boar post.

I'm going to be brutally honest here: Richard has a fine reputation on this board that I am going to charitably assume he's earned.  But nothing of his behavior in this thread or several recent others in anyway encourages me to do business with him. If he wants to build his business, it should be by concentrating on expanding his roster/database and the services he's able to provide, not by flaming, slandering, and impugning his competition, his industry, and his customers every chance he gets.  Who needs that crap?

~Boar


BillyB, I've heard about the big ruckus that happened in Tver 3 or 4 years ago. Fired interpreters starting their own agency. I also heard about a stolen data base of ladies profiles. There is Behappy2day mixed in there too. And Ron Woody. Who stole what from who? and why were the interpreters fired? would be good info to get. My feeling is no one involved wants to resurrect those bad days. Things are what they are and the men like Jerry who would have likely gone to Ukraine come to Tver because there is enough women from both agencies to make it worthwhile for him. So they have to cooperate or lose out on another client and those crisp $100 bills.

By Marc,

Well we can at least get this story strait as far as Tver Romance stealing LTP data base. At first yes I was pissed off, but for you that have been around when her web-site went up there was nothing that made me mad at all.

The story is a bit deeper then all of you know! At that time there were two Americans who work for us in the LTP office in Tver who hated Doc Woody these two men talked Natasha into opening Tver Romance telling her many things if she took the data base it was these two men that pushed her to do it, and I will say one more time when her site was put up I saw nothing that pissed me off.

As for the girls being fired well lets just say I knew what they were doing and at the request of Stave Morvay I did nothing to stop them till the day my own job was in danger of being lost. On that day I fired them to protect myself.

I was off in Ivanovo starting GRB, and to tell you the truth I was 100% thinking of stealing the data base my self, but never did then Doc sold LTP to me and my partner!

Know less talk about stealing data base There was one other who was vary smart and paid an office worker for are pass word for are Tver e-mail account, and as men sent e-mails to us he would also get them then cut and past an e-mail back to them telling about his new service in Tver.

Then there is Mr. do know wrong who tried to buy the data base, but was so cheep the girl would not sell to him witch pissed him off so he told on the girl to try to make her look bad something he is famous for, but we all feel sorry for him, and don’t hold him to the same standard we hold all the other agencies too!

Setting the Record strait Richard VS LTP should be Richard VS Marc-Richard VS Tver Romance- Richard VS Behappy and Richard VS Richard this is not an attack on Richard but fact. I fired Richard after my mother in law almost kicked his ass in the Tver office. I had two choices keep Richard or keep my office staff so I keep my office staff this was not based on who was right or who was wrong but all the fighting had to stop. Richard never liked the way we ran the LTP services, and he and I were fighting from day 1. Some of you know the story from when he worked for behappy today.


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Maxx

So the open minded guys reading this can see and decide for themselves that an agency that started out in an unethical manner may have unethical business practices. Dan could it be that you posted the above because you don't want the truth to come out? Maybe you can ban as well?   

By Marc

If she started out in an unethical manner I just don’t see it I was bitter at first, but got over it why cant you?.

Why are other agencies who started out the same way felt sorry for? What about a person who like us was finding his wife and who worked for an agency we all know sent so many fake letters, but he worked for him anyway is he not the same or worst as he is one of us. He worked for a service and he knew they sent out 1000’s of bad e-mails, but he keep working and helping to scam you wile playing dumb just to keep his job.

Dan could it be that you posted the above because you don't want the truth to come out? Maybe you can ban as well?

Maxx this is 100% beneath you what reasons would Dan have to protect any agency?
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Billyb

Interesting. I PM'd Marc to give his two cents here. I hate to think he's wishy washy saying Tver Romance are thieves and now says everything is cool. I do hope Natasha's next post explains a few things instead of being another sales pitch and finger pointing at men deflecting from the topic at hand.

By Marc
wishy washy saying Tver Romance are thieves.

Wow amazing what some men will say. Did I use those words or did you just add to it? See that’s the problem with this whole post people here something they want to here,and say another they adds to it, and the drama of the post in your words deflecting the topic at hand. So wend did we talk must have been a long time ago I am over it, and she is 100%  a better choice then the other 2 services in Tver! Who from my view started out doing a hole lot of worst things then Natasha did. She is not an angel, but none of us are!
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Billyb

Let's refrain from the excess chit chat. Natasha said she'll be back to answer all and if she's a woman of her word, she'll do just that. I'm hoping Marc will join in too telling why he has a change in heart about Tver Romance since getting shafted.

By Marc

First I am not sheer, but I think your adding words or mixing words up about other things that have happened in Tver?
Its hard for any body to keep Tver days of our Lives strait what has been talked about in Tver over the years with all this crap. Maybe you are thinking of Irine in Ivanovo
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Bruno

Richard have say that Svetlana have confirm that she have not write these letter... so, it seem that Richard have evidence...

By Marc
Richard is the competitor just doing what he dose best steering the pot trying to make us all look bad so he looks good.
For once I would like to see Richard and his proof he should put up or shut up.

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ConnerVT

If Mark was to promote another business other than his own, it would be TR.

By Marc

She will do a better job for you then any one in Tver other then LTP many of you may think I am an ass, but you know and understand me. I will do my best to tell you like it is. She is real she is one of the best interputers LTP has ever had, and is clearly a better choice then the other two agencies in town.
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Jinx13

Yesterday I was sent an e-mail off list from a somebody calling herself a former acqaintance of Natasha, I won't say who it was or the details of her letter, but let's just say she's not a big fan of her or Tver Agency. She claims to have seen first hand the way Natasha ripped off her American clients, and thought of them as "stupid goats" to use and make money from.

By Marc / Stupid goats not the words she would use. Natasha uses the word DuRock Russian word for fool if she had a problem with a man!! Sorry Jinx13, but any agency might have sent you this e-mail or you might be part of one of these posters that are not who you claim to be?

This is easy to explain if true, but vary hard for me to put in text.

First many of you have had experiences with RW who can’t admit doing anything wrong? Know add to that she will blame any thing but her self for failing to get the man she wants. This is the hard part for me to put in text there is a conflict between RW and interputers. Many times and interputer gets matched to a man that other RW want. Many RW say that interputers say bad things about them so she can get the man she wants or get her friend matched with a man by using bad interpreting for one girl and then good interpreting for her friends.

Two woman wanting the same man will say or do just about anything to get him. We men have the RWD or RWG to talk about all the bad things that we have had happen to us. The RW just talk from girl to girl the story just get bigger and bigger so just like some of the men the girls are just repeating what stories they have been told by other RW.

We all know some RW will never forget.

Last what Nataha thinks of some men that look for a RW in her city yes her city not my city or your city this is also easy to explained not all men are nice some men go to her home and have nothing good to say about Russia and the life they have. Walk with a big stick on a white horse and you will pay the price for the things you say and do.

Sorry Natasha, but no matter what good you do many of the RW in are programs are as bitter as some of the men and showing them how you feel about some of the men will one day be put in your face.

I will also say that there are many men that I saw wile living in Tver that were 100% big jerks who thought they were better. So I can understand how Natasha dose not like some of the men, Hell I can think of many men I don’t like? But if they pay me for a trip I will take there money too! That’s just plain business. She just got couth talking to the wrong person about it. Do any of you men turn down normal business because you don’t like some of the people?

My advice to all if you personally who have not used Tver Romance is- Life is not complicated people complicate it?

Stand up and tell people like me to shut up on this type of post when we are off base hell it’s your board tell us to get out, and stay out of a mans complaint about his experience with the agencies he paid to use this service. His money he has the right to say what he feels right or wrong.

Know all of you can say what you want about me the door is open, but why don’t you start a new post and let Maxx and Natasha have there problem to work out.

[BillyB]

Marc,

No need to get worked up, this thread isn't about you. You say Natasha was being pushed to do something unethical by two "American men and she's no angel but her agency is better than two others in Tver. Does anyone value self accountability?  You have forgiven and forgotten. No problem, we all do wrong but it is not mandatory that we accept wrong lightly. One reaps what one sows. You plant a bad seed, you get bad results, thus one's past comes back to haunt as shown in this thread.

Maxx may be overly bitter and emotional in this thread but in his eyes he got shafted and he. like most of us, will speak up to the dismay of the ones that shafted us. Until he gets an admittance of wrong doing with an apology and an attempt to make things right, this chapter in his life will not come to a close everytime Tver Romance is brought up.

I understand why Natasha could be bitter at some men. She, as with all people who work in agencies, deal with some real nut cases everyday. But they are customers! Working with nuts goes with the territory in this biz. But no matter how much one dislikes a customer, punishing him, as you say can happen, by "making him pay the price for what he says and does" is poor business ethics.

Anyway, I was never an agency kind of guy so nobody has to worry about losing my business. From this thread, there's certainly going to be less people who think highly of agencies. My only interest in this thread is to understand what's going on to help the next guy that comes along needing answers pertaining to agencies in Tver and I'm enjoying the drama.

[Maxx2]

Maxx may be overly bitter and emotional in this thread but in his eyes he got shafted and he. like most of us, will speak up to the dismay of the ones that shafted us. Until he gets an admittance of wrong doing with an apology and an attempt to make things right, this chapter in his life will not come to a close everytime Tver Romance is brought up.

I could care less about an apology. We could read the above post a hundred times and come to one hundred different conclusions. Marc's account of LTP sounds like a Marx Brothers movie "A Day at LTP Office". No wonder Richard left. I mean Marx's mother-in-law kicks Richard's as$ and Marx lets the girls do their deeds until his job is almost lost? At first he is pissed off about the stealing but he get's over it and now he recommends Natasha's agency? And the Terps giving poor translations to men who were getting letters from RW that were not their friends. Nice. Now do we have to worry about that game being played over at TR or is that a LTP exclusive service? Jezz, I got off easy with TR!



"A Day at LTP Office"

Natasha is smuggling out the stolen data base in the tray.
Her accompless Olga is stuffing the hard drive in the sack she carries with her when she goes shopping. 


Maxx not Marx

[CaptB]

To all,

At best....this process of finding a partner from Russia.....has more built-in difficulties than finding a partner on your own turf. For you "letter writers"........writing will mean little in  the long-run. Letter writing is what attracts so many in the first place. Its cheap.....and exciting. Wow.....writing to many beautiful educated women in foreign lands...................and it only costs a few bucks to get started. For all newbies....to be sucessfull.......it will cost many thousands (of dollars) to complete this process. If you can't afford to meet someone you are writing in 3-6 months (at most)........start some other time......or not at all.....if you can't afford it. All those months of letter-writing will pale......after the first 30 minutes that you "actually" meet.

My first trip to Russia was "originally" planned for the purpose of visiting "Russia" (not its women). The more homework I did.......the more interesting Russian "women" became......as part of the experience. I planned my first trip with a friend, Chuck, who was returning to visit a woman he had met on his last trip (and is now his wife).
We were to spend a few days in  Moscow and go our separate ways............he to Tver.........and I to Yoskar-Ola and Samara. If we had time we would go to St. Pete for a day or two.....before departing for home. Chuck had used the services of LTP. When this character, Marc Dayton, got wind that Chuck was coming back with a buddy.....as far as Mocow......he called me to pitch the virtues of Tver as an alternative city to visit outside of Moscow/St. Pete. I bit with a good offer.....which I have never regretted. My trip was fantastic......and Russia was wonderfull. I have made alot of new friends in Russia over the years......and aquired new Russian relatives.....as a bonus.  My Mother-inlaw stayed with us for a month this Summer.
I thought I had matched in Tver (my stories are at the RWG trip section ). It was something Steve Morvay at LTP said to me one evening that made me realize that I had not. Steve said "the biggest mistake of all that men make in using our service is that many fail to meet someone.....who is as much into "you".....as you are to "them".
A statement many have "heard"................but fail to "hear". That statement stuck with me......and shortly after my (last) trip to Tver.......broke-off my relationship with the woman I was seeing. A bitter pill to swallow......a blow to that fragile male ego. I did'nt find my match in Tver.....but I would'nt trade the experience for anything. Hopefully I will bring my wife to Tver for a visit on our way to St. Pete next year (my wonderful wife is from Stavropol, Russia). We just celebrated or 3rd wedding anniversary a few months ago.

Marc (Dayton) is a character.....a little rough around the edges (like myself).....but will tell it like it is......pulling no punches. I like that...........I like Marc. I also met Natasha Deeva on many occaisons when she was with LTP (I even know she is part mermaid ). I talked to Natasha on many occaisions..........more beautiful than her photos.......but very down-to-earth. I liked Natasha. Ron Woody became an offline friend from the RWG. Ron learned you can't be an absentee business owner (of LTP)
and achieve a significant level of success......."hands-off". Ron blames himself.....as much as anyone else. Marc's previous post on this thread fills in a few pieces of the "business stealing" soap opera that I was privy to....via Ron.

Tver is a great little city for "first-timers" to Russia. Intimate....easy to get around....I loved the evening boat trips on the Volga. And yes Marc......that second-floor toilet was the "pits"..........but for me........part of the charm........for those who don't mind those rough edges.

I will always avoid a business who's only attribute is to bash the competition......or stir the pot. LTP was....and I believe is ......a good model for this business. Marc has no problem with Natasha's business......that's good enough for me. I highly recomend Tver.......a great little city................and they have there own "soap opera".....too

Capt B

[Maxx2]

It's good thing for you CaptB that got a woman you could trust. You've got yours. It's rather safe for you now to give good ol boy recommendations to people who are forgiving and accepting of embezzlement and fraud. From what I remember of your incident wth Irina Shesheva the interpreters kept that one afloat by always making excuses for her. You should have asked yourself why? Natasha Deever was one of the interpreters that strung you along wasn't she?

This is really bazaar.


Maxx

[TwoBitBandit]

TwoBitbandi your joking are you being paid to say BS like this are you getting a free trip from Richard did you post a story about the RW you meet in Richards service if so please tell me were the post is I want to read about the RW you meet in his agencies ?.

Please read Boar post.

I'm going to be brutally honest here: Richard has a fine reputation on this board that I am going to charitably assume he's earned.  But nothing of his behavior in this thread or several recent others in anyway encourages me to do business with him. If he wants to build his business, it should be by concentrating on expanding his roster/database and the services he's able to provide, not by flaming, slandering, and impugning his competition, his industry, and his customers every chance he gets.  Who needs that crap?

For the record: I am nobody's shill.  Obviously, not everyone here likes Richard.  Richard is very outspoken with his opinions, which polarizes people.  Some people will like him, and some people will hate him, depending on how much his views and agenda align with their own.

I've used Richard, and he did what I expected him to do on every count.  My opinion of Richard differed from Natasha's opinion, and I said so.  (Being that this is a discussion board and all...)  Why can't I offer an opinion without being accused of being a shill?

My advice to all if you personally who have not used Tver Romance is- Life is not complicated people complicate it?

Stand up and tell people like me to shut up on this type of post when we are off base hell it’s your board tell us to get out, and stay out of a mans complaint about his experience with the agencies he paid to use this service. His money he has the right to say what he feels right or wrong.

Know all of you can say what you want about me the door is open, but why don’t you start a new post and let Maxx and Natasha have there problem to work out.

This is a discussion board, after all.  If Maxx intended for nobody to comment on the issue, he should have started a blog instead of posting a message to this forum.

I believe that this thread is my business.  I've seriously considered using Natasha's agency, and if I'm going to do that I want to know what is going on there.  I want to know what kind of shop she runs and how ethical it is.

[Marc Dayton]

I knew I should not have posted, but ? Maxx Know I am the bad one. Because I think a bit driffrent today then I did 3 years ago. The truth be told I am just plain sick of all this kind of crap. Maxx did I in any way affend you ?

That was one hell of a fast cut and past nice art work. Richard did not quit he was fired Maxx I think you have been fed a lot of B.S.

Why to I think Natasha is better then the other agencies in town maybe I know things that you all don't. You may not like it maxx, and I belive you about what you say, But fact ids fact she has a better service then behappy, she has woman in her program that Richard dose not so if you look at this from my point it only leaves Natasha as a second choice in Tver

You can Love Richard all you want, but he is nothing but a prentender hell how many years has he been doing this is there 1 man out there that can say I married a girl from Richards services?

We have one man saying I got what I exspected what the hell dose that mean.

[Bruno]

Marc from LPT, Richard from TA, Natasha of TR... where is the last owner of Tver agency's ?... So, we can begin the poker game... But beware, like in all gambling game, mainly, it is the bank who is the real winner, not the gamers...

These threat is a auto regenerating monster... 2 page loose due to some technical things... only one night for these to grow up again...

The only personal conclusion that i have until now is that if i was always seeking a bride, Tver will be a city where i will not seek...

[Maxx2]

I with you TwoBitBandit. What kind of outfit does she run? I hope this issue continues to get more light shown on it.

Marc, I do not believe that any agency that steals from you could be anything but untrustworthy. The men in this process deserve that they not be given a Green light to an agency that ripped you off. You might want to 'go along to get along' but I see that as nothing but weak and compromising. I have seen the results of the bad products agencies like yours serves up. I've experienced it and seen it in many others. I'd go with Richard's 'zero record for men married' any day over an agency that recommends another agency that stole from them.  

Bruno, I am with you also. Tver seems scary to me.

Maxx

[andrewfi]

If I had a hammer
I'd hammer in the morning
I'd hammer in the evening
All over this land
I'd hammer out danger
I'd hammer out a warning
I'd hammer out love between my brothers and my sisters
All over this landhttp://www.arlo.net/resources/lyrics/hammer-song.shtml

A bunch of damaged people, shysters and incompetants bashing each other and not understanding the harm they do each other.
Bruno is right.

Better to look anywhere else than Tver and at least have the chance of finding decent service and good outcomes.

Have you guys ever seen hyenas fighting over food? Nipping and biting each other as the wounded meal runs away.

[Marc Dayton]

What can I say maxx your mad as hell and have the wright to be you can blame me, and slam LTP too if it makes you happy.

I do have a question for you how can you defend Richard who wile working for a Tver agencie and knowing they sent out 1000's fake letters.

In other words he did to 1000,s other men what was done to you. It was O.K. for him to do it ?

I don't blaim any man for running to a driffrent city, and point blank If you do not use LTP it might be your best bet.

[Rvrwind]

Oh great, the post I made yesterday is gone, just dandy.

I do have a question for you how can you defend Richard who wile working for a Tver agencie and knowing they sent out 1000's fake letters.

If your going to tell a story Marc, tell it all. If you will recall I hadn't been living here that long & understood & spoke very little Russian & was totally oblivious to what was really going on & it wasn't in the beginning. As all converstaions as you know are 90% in Russian & if you don't know Russian, they can tell you any damn thing they want. But I learned Russian, I still speak very little but anybody will tell you I now understand about 80% of what is spoken to me which I can then piece together enough to know if the interpreter is interpreting what she/he should be. It took me a while to figure out what was going on but when I did, I jumped ship as soon as it was to my advantage to do so.
You provided that by hiring me to work for LTP.
That brings us to a whole new level which I will not bother getting into most of it, but seeing as you brought this one up, I'll just clarify the rest of what really happened.

That was one hell of a fast cut and past nice art work. Richard did not quit he was fired Maxx I think you have been fed a lot of B.S.

Yes, I was fired Marc, but again you leave out half the story, which stems from this

I fired Richard after my mother in law almost kicked his ass in the Tver office.

Yes you did. After your ex-mother-in-law physically attacks me in the office, for I might add no earthly reason whatsoever right in front of several witnesses I might add & I get fired. Nice. Blood is deffinitly thicker than water, but in the end you had to come back with your tail between your legs & fire her because why? I was right again, but as usual you will take credit for others idea's & hard work.
I'm tired of this crap, he said, she said crap. I jumped into this thread to back up Maxx's claim & to warn a guy making a trip.
Contrary to Mike's opinion, I do like Natasha, always have, but that isn't to say that I have to like the way she does buisness.
I also have nothing against LTP, contrary to Marcs opinion. I recommend them before anybody else in Tver, including us at this point as they have more ladies. Because me & Marc have personal issues with each other we tend to butt heads, but I have never let that stop me from sending buisness their way. Overall they are the best in Tver at this point.
As for the allegtions that I tried to buy your data base, yes I thought about it, but it was offered, I did not try to coax or bribe anybody to get it. And as for an offer, I never made one, I was given a price, pay it or not my choice. I never did because I didn't see the value in the purchase that justified the asking price & being short on funds I elected to put my efforts elswhere. The fact as for me telling somebody, that won't happen again. You see that was mentioned in confidence to somebody I thought I could trust & who pretended to be my friend. But thats another story.
You want to be wishy washy, forgive & forget, then do so, but this industry is the lesser for it. You wanna tell a story to make somebody look bad, don't leave out the details. My beef is with you Marc, not LTP & not Dennis, & you damn well know why?
I'm done!!!
I'm tired, everytime I try to help somebody I get drawn & quartered because I'm an a competing agency. I stayed out of this until the knight-in-shining armor rode in to espouse TR's virtues & totally dismiss the claims of others.
By the way Marc, I have only had my agency for 1 year as of oct.1, so not having a marriage to date is of no real concern at this point. Howver working for other agencies the rest of the time one does not get credit for those he helped get together as the agency takes credit for it.
Well enough, from now on your on your own. You get used & abused its not my problem anymore. When I got an agency owner that is even recommending them I see no chance in changing the status quo. The bad agencies will survive & thrive & not one thing I say or do is gonna change that.
Have a nice day!

[jb]

Hummmmm,,, I have a long memory, sometimes it's a curse.

Marc Dayton is now singing a much different tune about TR and Natasha than he was back "in the day".  If he has new information regarding the stolen database which absolves Natasha from wrong doing, why did he not come back and correct the record?  Especially since it leaves a lingering sense of evil over a business woman's reputation.  I have probably, over the years, referred dozens of newbies to those threads where Marc was ranting and raving about what had happened at LTP and GRB as the *Great Agency Rip Off*.  I'm not sorry if they got the impression that Natasha is a thief, or that the ownership of LTP is in the hands of a lunatic, 'cause it certainly appears to be the case in reading those old threads, and quite frankly, this new one isn't any better.

CaptB is being very kind and generous with his remarks here, but I also remember his comments to me on the phone about how he was treated by LTP when he returned to Tver, not as a paying customer of LTP but rather as a regular traveler returning to visit with a woman whom he had already met.  That's a story best told 1st hand, but it did hold my attention for a few microseconds.  He may not remember all this after the ensuing years, but at the time he was really pissed. 

At this juncture I don't think I'd ever recomemd anyone to go to Tver, there are just too many good RWs in Moscow and St Pete who speak pretty good English, and they aren't that hard to meet,,, without the aid of an agency.

[KenC]

Soap opera in Tver

Wow, what tangled webs we weave.  With 17 pages of conversation, it may be time for a recap.  This is what I have learned from all of this:

Maxx received a phony letter from Tver Romance.
Natasha has yet to deny or explain it.

Natasha stole LTP's data base
It doesn't really matter if Marc Dayton has forgiven her because it was not his property that was stolen.  I wonder if Doc Woody has forgiven her?

The rest of the "he said, she said" back biting stuff really doesn't matter now, does it?  Except to paint a picture much like Andrew said up thread "Have you guys ever seen hyenas fighting over food? Nipping and biting each other as the wounded meal runs away."  What the three agency owners in Tver have done here is to collectively shoot themselves in their respective feet.  All this bickering and back biting will forever tarnish the image of agencies in Tver.  With agencies writing thousands of phony letters, stolen data bases, mother in laws beating up employees and three of the four agency owners pointing fingers (all in different directions) I pity the guy entering that snake pit now.
KenC

[Bruce]

Pouring it higher and deeper..................................if one can read between the lines, and know the principals one can get a real education.  Tver agency owners need to work together.   The fact that you can not, at least on this thread, is truly a shame because there are alot of beautiful girls with quality character in Tver, many of which would be open to meeting a foreign man.  

Tver is close to Moscow in distance (~100 KM) and though Tver is becomming more cosmopolitan it still is light years behind Moscow in speed, and with it the attitudinal speed of the women in its region.  Sure it is possible to find a great girl in Moscow or St. Petersburg, but those cities, especially Moscow, are fast places.  The same reasons New York City is tough to find a good girl makes it tough to find a good girl in Moscow ie. lives move fast and like a bus there is another man or woman comming every 15 minutes to cloud people's brains and keep both sexes eyes off the ball and what truly is important.  

Can I say I like Tver compared to most other places in the FSU - no way.  However, I am used to going there and Tver as a city does grow on you.  The fact I now have family there helps it grow alot.  The villages in the Tver region are beautiful during the summer, though I doubt most of you will get a chance to experience this unless you live there full time or have relatives there.  The fact that you can fly to Moscow and take a 2 1/2 to three hour car ride to get to your final destination is huge over time.  Travelling does not get any easier as one ages and the fact that Tver is as close as one can realistically get to a more slower paced place helps a tremendous amount when it comes to family visits.  The best thing about Tver is that people are still generally friendly and willing to help.  The only other place I felt so welcome as a foreigner was in the Novosibirsk region - and that always was with colleagues.  

I first read about Richard on RWG.  He came accross as a character then.  I first met Richard when he was at Behappy2day when I worked with that agency to help me search for girls.  Richard, as well as the owner Yaroslav, were both instrumental in pointing out the quality character that my wife has.  Richard helped me both as a friend and in many ways as a mentor while I spent time in Tver on my fateful trip years past.  He gave his all to his client, me, to pass on any experience and wisdom he had accumulated in his life only to help me, a guy who he really did not know from a hole in the wall prior to my arrival.  Richard did his absolute best to help me sort through the girls I had met.  He gave me his honest opinion about which girls would make the best wife for me and why.  He truly tried to act as a match maker.  I assume Richard tries to do the same for each and every one of his clients today, which is a service every guy would be lucky to have if they travel to Tver and meet many women.  As did Yaroslav, the owner of Behappy who I have nothing personally bad to say about at all.  I disagree strongly with Yaroslav's business practices - but we all know that greed can bring out the worst in some people.    

I also like Marc Dayton, though I have never met him.  I  just hate to see Richard and Marc in a written shouting match over points that mean little or nothing to the average guy seeking a wife in Tver.   I stand on what I have written in my earlier posts.  Nothing stated by Natasha Deeva has done anything to disprove my points.

Newbies seeking a wife should keep their eye on the ball.  Tver still is a place with alot of beautiful eligible women.  To top this off their are a number of high quality agencies in this city who really give their all to a guy who visits there.


  

[Maxx2]

How all this started:

I have an interpreter here in the USA who I use to make 3-way calls when the need arises.  She suggested trying Russia instead of Ukraine, for reasons I won't go into here.

The reason was the Russian interpreter said that RW make better wives than Ukrainians

Ok, so I did another search and found some agencies.  Registered with TverRomance and wrote a few letters.  The replies have been good, but almost too good really.  'Aroused my suspicion a bit, especially when I wrote the office directly but didn't receive a reply (but DID receive letters).  

Jerry is thinking clearly here but he decided not to throw in the towel with TverRomance just yet because of the comment by the RW interpreter about the superiority of Russian woman over Ukrainian and there being a few women at TverRomance that interested him.

So he calls Marc and he gives Natasha a good recomendation. Jerry will throw Marc some business with 3 or 4 women that were not on the stolen data base.

Natasha cinches the deal with a soothing voice and not one bad word said about anyone.

Remember Jack Bragg's statement at the beginning of this thread

hello Jerry and welcome.

Have a little personal experience in Tver. TverRomance?  How to I put this in it's simplest terms,....how about SCAM!

With all the anger there I would be afraid to go to Tver if I was Jerry.  

Maxx

[Darth Vader]

Walk with a big stick on a white horse and you will pay the price for the things you say and do.

So another character, an agency owner, shows up?

I'm not impressed-- read what he wrote:

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From Marc:

Walk with a big stick on a white horse and you will pay the price for the things you say and do.

I fired Richard after my mother in law almost kicked his ass in the Tver office.

Dan could it be that you posted the above because you don't want the truth to come out? Maybe you can ban as well?

She (Natasha) is one of the best interputers LTP has ever had, and is clearly a better choice then the other two agencies in town.

As for the girls being fired well lets just say I knew what they were doing and at the request of Stave Morvay I did nothing to stop them till the day my own job was in danger of being lost. On that day I fired them to protect myself.
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Reminds me of what Darth Vader said in Star Wars:  "The hate is swelling in you now. Take your Jedi weapon. Use it."

Seems to me like most guys looking for a girl will avoid the snakepit called Tver...

[jb]

Is it possible to get posters on here that are over 12 years old?

[TwoBitBandit]

Is it possible to get posters on here that are over 12 years old?

Finally!  A sentiment on this thread that I can agree with!