Turboguy & Turbodude's First Dream tour

[catzenmouse]

With all the women swimming through my head I was too busy thinking about that to realize where I was.

That is quite a visual there! 

Don't worry Ken, my plan is to be starting to work my way towards the cashier soon.

I will write more later.  I have to drive to Louisville now.

Have a safe trip to Louisville! And, if anyone deserves to get through the checkout it is you TG!~

[Gator]

Michel and Catzn,

Point noted and posts removed.

[Albert]

Gator says: "I must disagree with your statement that "FSU women would rather spend time talking about your other women".  Women are not interested in prior conquests.   To make the current woman feel special, a man needs to talk only about her. 

If you say FSU women wanted to talk about past women rather than your family, I guess that you raised the subject, dwelled on it, and misread their signals to “shut up”."


Albert says:  You couldn't be more wrong about this.  I NEVER bring up other women or talk about prior conquests when I am with a woman.

I stand by my original statements.

[PeeWee]

. I figure is he should choose two or three from this meeting that he is months ahead of a guy who is plodding through profile after profile trying to figure out who to contact and if she is a real candidate, and will she contact him and then he has to travel to meet her for the first time. Turbo is beyond that stage, is he not?


Do you seek a hot girl or a wife... these social can maybe allow you to choose a hot lady for the night but not a wife... for a wife, you need long and complex discussion that allow you to see if you are compatible for a long common life.... these little time with a lot of girls can be funny but in now way, you have the needed time for build a relation...

The answer is the "hot girl."  Why would anyone spend this kind of time and money only to find an average woman? You got that right here in River City, Bubba. The trick is to find the hot one that is not only smoking on the outside but a peach on the inside as well. It can be done but you need to spend the time to find her and she does exsist. Why settle for second best anyway? That goes for everything in life.

I think that you missed the point of the tour. This is a look see, or call it a scouting expedition. No one is going to have the time or luck to meet a lady on a tour and take her home as his bride. You go, you search,  you find, you return home, you recontact and discover, you go back, and go back again, and go back again, and then you bring her home. That is how I see this tour was working.

Peevee

[PeeWee]

The truth is that the food is very uneven here in Ukraine.  It ranges from fair to horrible.  

My mother-in-law here in Dnepr is a great cook, so I hear.  And when I eat her food it actually tastes ok.  But that is the first "helping."  Then she insists I eat more.  And more!  Bummer  

I don't think I will ever get used to this "food."  That is why I understand Turbo, who enjoys a so-so hamburger and great fries at McDonalds from time to time.  You need Mickey D's to balance the other "food" out :-)

yeah, the one thing that I do not like about Russia is the food. I have told my lady that she is destined to attend French cooking school when she arrives in the US. True to her Russian "can and will do" attitude she said, "I will do it."  You see it has to do with the cabbage, beets, and other vegetables. I am not a veggie sort of guy.

Peevee

[Turboguy]

I have to agree with you PeeVee,  There are a few things that are good and so much of it is a mystery.   You order chicken but you never get anything that tastes like normal chicken.   I am not a veggy guy either. 

Thanks for the good wishes Ken,  I am sure the great advice I get from you and the others has been a big help in my efforts. 

Gator,  If you want to start a post about tours somewhere here or want me to I would be happy to discuss the finder points of tours both good and bad. 

[Bruno]

The answer is the "hot girl."  Why would anyone spend this kind of time and money only to find an average woman? You got that right here in River City, Bubba. The trick is to find the hot one that is not only smoking on the outside but a peach on the inside as well. It can be done but you need to spend the time to find her and she does exsist. Why settle for second best anyway? That goes for everything in life.

I have never say that you need choose a ugly one... my point was that seeking only "hot girl" is something different that seeking a wife... I am sure that you can find "hot girl" in your River City, Budda... in any case, you have always the professional one who are cheaper that a trip to Russia...

Now, about why settle for the second? It seem that some guys have very high expectation here... but some have unrealistic expectation... Being over 70 year old, seeking the hot 18 year old is a unrealistic expectation by example... in reality, if you can have something in Russia that you cannot have in your own country, it is because you BUY it... your know, the power of the $$$...

I think that you missed the point of the tour. This is a look see, or call it a scouting expedition. No one is going to have the time or luck to meet a lady on a tour and take her home as his bride. You go, you search,  you find, you return home, you recontact and discover, you go back, and go back again, and go back again, and then you bring her home. That is how I see this tour was working.

With tour, it seem that a lot of guys search and search and search and ... but never score... and when i say "score", i don't mean go in bed with a babe but marry a good wife... Curious to know the proportion of RWD members already married who have find a wife via tour... i think that the % will be very low, almost equal to zero...

A tour can be funny if it is the first time that you visit Russia... simply enjoy the time and learn a little... these tour are very similar to our western fast dating evening... good for fun, maybe a short relationship but very low result for seek a life partner...

[Turboguy]

I think it is important to note that not all tours are created equal.   Gator started a thread discussing tours in the starting out thread based on some of the comments here so I won't discuss it a lot other than to say with the big agency tours such as AFA and Anastasia, I would agree with you totally.   I would rate the chances that you would come home thinking you were going to have a fiancee at about 85%.   The chances of it really happening at 5%.   Jack't tours are done entirely differently and to be honest I was extreamly impressed with the quality and quantity of good marriage prospects I met.   Jack's tours are definately a viable way to prospect for a future mate.   Probably one of the better choices in persuing your dreams.

[Albert]

Regarding food, I will agree with others who have posted that most restaurant food in FSU is nothing to look forward to.  Mc Donalds wins hands down, except for a few select restaurants that most of us never find out about.

However, I have had quite different experiences regarding the food cooked for me in apartments by the FSU women.  Once I get them to leave out the onions, cabbage (and other gas producing ingredients), etc., then the food is pretty good.  Most I have been with are health conscious and, on their own, avoid the salo and other disgustingly fat types of items, avoid fatty meats, etc.

Probably not the healthiest foods for sure, but man do I love those blinis with something like cream cheese on them, and cernike with cream, walnuts and honey.  All the FSU gals seem to be expert in whipping these up quickly.  Also, the FSU gals don't panic when something is missing from the kitchen, like for instance bread.  They can whip up something from flour, water and salt that does the trick.

Rather than French Cooking classes, better to concentrate on Mediterranean food classes.  World studies mostly conclude that Med diets are the most healthy in the world, not the sauce heavy and rich French foods.

[SANDRO43]

Rather than French Cooking classes, better to concentrate on Mediterranean food classes.  World studies mostly conclude that Med diets are the most healthy in the world, not the sauce heavy and rich French foods.

Sound advice, Albert. According to WHO statistics, the Japanese and we Italians have the longest life expectancy, and this is probably due in large part to our diet (fish for them, pasta etc. for us). The dietary advantage of pasta lies in its low-caloric bulkiness of vegetable origin, since hunger is also a factor of stomach emptiness.

The curious thing is that the Mediterranean diet is a US discovery :

Although it was first publicized in 1945 by the American doctor Ancel Keys stationed in Salerno, Italy, the Mediterranean diet failed to gain widespread recognition until the 1990s. It is based on what from the point of view of mainstream nutrition is considered a paradox: that although the people living in Mediterranean countries tend to consume relatively high amounts of fat, they have far lower rates of cardiovascular disease than in countries like the United States, where similar levels of fat consumption are found.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediterranean_diet

Should we open a "Mediterranean Diet Gourmet" thread ?

[Manny]

Turbo - As said before I enjoy reading about your experiences. Good TR 

As money does not seem to be a major factor for you I would agree with sending your son back in November as you suggested - Spring is too long and it will demonstrate to his prospective lady that he is "the serious man!" (to coin a phrase from my lady)

It is interesting to read how a veteran (if I can call you that) speaks positively of Jacks tours. Jack is often criticised on various RW forums but sometimes without too much evidence or justification. It is nice to read a level guy such as yourself spoke as you found it and that you commend his effort on putting a good experience together.

I am not a huge fan of the idea of a tour (but then again I have never been on one) but then again it is different strokes for different folks after all.

Thanks for sharing your experiences! 

So when you going back Turbo?

[Turboguy]

I have been wanting to write a short summary but have been busy with a trade show.  I am now in Louisville.   I am going to Russia in 10 days, to Barnaul, Etkatrinburg and Moscow.   I am going to meet three ladies that I like a lot.   The one in Barnaul has really caught my fancy.    The one in Etkatrinberg is pretty and really seems like she would be a great gal and we have been writing forever.   

Right now the one I see as my top choice of all the gals is Barnaul .   Once I get back from that trip i will make a decision.  If Barnaul is in person what she is in letters that may well be my final choice and I may not make any more follow up trips.   Otherwise I may go back the same time my son does and visit the one I called the nose, one from Kharkov that I think I missed in my TR, and spend more time in Kiev with the two I met there and maybe meet one other new one in Kiev that I really wanted to meet but did not have the time.   It is also possible I will try to make a trip to Vladivistock in December.   

I have made a lot of trips where I was conviced I had my gal and the trip was a bust so I am not making any decisions and not counting my chicks before they are hatched.   I am heading for Barnaul on the 18th and that is my next step.   If I go back to Ukraine when my son goes we would be going to different cities but could at least share the plane ride.  I would be staying a little longer then he would though.   

[Darth Vader]

Good luck on your next trip, Turbo.  The main thing is to have fun and enjoy the process of dating the girls. 

No matter how long it takes, don't settle on any girl who is not really into you.  The reward will be well worth the wait.

[PeeWee]

I have been wanting to write a short summary but have been busy with a trade show.  I am now in Louisville.   I am going to Russia in 10 days, to Barnaul, Etkatrinburg and Moscow.   I am going to meet three ladies that I like a lot.   The one in Barnaul has really caught my fancy.    The one in Etkatrinberg is pretty and really seems like she would be a great gal and we have been writing forever.   

Right now the one I see as my top choice of all the gals is Barnaul .   Once I get back from that trip i will make a decision.  If Barnaul is in person what she is in letters that may well be my final choice and I may not make any more follow up trips.   Otherwise I may go back the same time my son does and visit the one I called the nose, one from Kharkov that I think I missed in my TR, and spend more time in Kiev with the two I met there and maybe meet one other new one in Kiev that I really wanted to meet but did not have the time.   It is also possible I will try to make a trip to Vladivistock in December.   

I have made a lot of trips where I was conviced I had my gal and the trip was a bust so I am not making any decisions and not counting my chicks before they are hatched.   I am heading for Barnaul on the 18th and that is my next step.   If I go back to Ukraine when my son goes we would be going to different cities but could at least share the plane ride.  I would be staying a little longer then he would though.   

Yeah, you munchkin, you better not forget about Vlak-k. Although I am a little suprised that she will allow you into that city.

Peevee

[Bruce]

Barnaul - a sh&thole with a capital S.  This girl better be a winner.  I also hope she has no family, or you do not mind her travelling back home alone because that is a killer trip.  Best of luck and I hope you are flying Aeroflot.  By the way, how are you travelling to Barnaul.  I assume you are going to Novosibirsk and training from there?

[Turboguy]

No, I fly to Moscow arriving in the morning then sit there for a half day leaving at 11:00 PM and arriving in Barnaul at 7 AM

[Gator]

Turbo,

Two "red eye" flights, back to back!!!  

What a man!  

Ain't love grand!

Most women do not understand what is involved.

[viking]

There is a new airline in Russia, Turboflot. Named after some guy from Penna who single handedly propped up the Russian economy.

[Turboguy]

And this gal is worried that she won't look her best because she has to get up so early to meet me.  Humm,  I am going to look like I was a participant in the battle of Leningrad.

Yep,  When I started to make trips Aeroflot was near bankruptcy.   Never even got a word of thanks from them.   Maybe a cup of coffee on a good flight but that was it.   TurboFlot will be much better.

[Vaughn]

Just curious, TurboStud - is The Nose still
in the running?

Just curious, TurboStud - is The Nose still
in the running?

(The echo is to enable my question to meet
the 100 character minimum requirement)

[Turboguy]

The Nose is one of the two top contenders for follow up visits.   In my TR, I may have overlooked one gal in Kharkov.   My terp (a guy) wanted me to meet someone who had just joined an agency for the first time the day before, so I was the first guy she met or corresponeded with.   She is a concert pianist and has a young son.   I liked her a lot and she is the other in my top two.   The next ones down the list very slightly include the midget, a gal from Severdonetsk and the two from Kiev I met after the tour but I it is possible the one from Kiev is upset with me.  If she wasn't I am sure she caught my nasty cold so that would be two reasons.  We swapped a lot of spit and this is one of the nastiest colds of my life.

[Albert]

Maybe this will be like a horse race where she wins by a nose!!

[Turboguy]

Her nose is a winner anyway.

There was one more twist in the part of the story that relates to my sons search. 

He had been flip flopping his number one and number two gals.   The one from Sumy seemed to be the best choice to me.   Prettier, better English and no issues with getting the fathers permission to bring the child here. 

Today the Sumy gal asked him for $ 50.00 to help with the costs of correspondence.   He started talking about some other things and revealed a few things I had not known about.  I asked him her last name.  I headed for my computer and the RussianTeaRoom scammer listings.   Sure enough the Sumy gal is there.  The only thing they list as her scam is multiple identities, but the links with the other names show a different gal.  The fact she is there after she told him he is the first foreign guy she had written too was enough for me.   I suggested he drop her and concentrate on the other gal with his # 3 gal as a back up.

[BillyB]

TG,

Just remember, you can pick your nose and you can pick your friends, but you can't pick your friend's nose(no matter how cute the nose is).

You better let Jack know he's got a potential scammer attending his events. That woman probably makes every man feel like a winner and is #1 or #2 in their books. Many guys will end up sending her money for one reason or another making it profitable for her.

[Turboguy]

I don't know Billy.   If she is really your soulmate you should be able to pick her nose.  Yes, I think I will take your advice and let Jack know about it.