Turboguy & Turbodude's First Dream tour

[Jet]

Turbo and vwrw,
Lil and I are very happy to see you both connecting, and looking to the future.
Good luck to both of you 

[vwrw]

Hi, my darling!
I was worry where you disappeared. Now I understand why you so much like this forum. There are a lot of smart guys here! I am really delighted with the wise thoughts they gave to me!

[wiz]

Turbo

You are a very lucky sod.....LOL

I just saw the photo of your darling and she is very attractive.

VWRW

welcome to the board!

[Turboguy]

Hello my darling,  Oh, new avitar.  Now everyone will really be jealous of me.  Now that I can look at your photo I can have even more reason to spend a lot of time on RWD.  Yes, there are a lot of really great and really helpful people here. 

Thanks Wz and Jet.

My clock is running down at the internet cafe.  I will post a few parts about my trip later since this is the trip report section.   Right now I have 12 minutes left and then am going to Sbarros near the Kremlin for lunch then do some shopping.   I will be back here later and got an ok to post a few things. 

[jb]

T/G,

Congrats on finding a gem.

While we don't know much about vwrw, we can see she writes English well enough, I suppose she speaks it as well.  She comes across as a cultured and educated woman. Well done~!

[Turboguy]

Hummmmm..... First off, I'm delighted T/G has found a woman who is "into" him, frankly I was beginning to worry on that score.  Next question is: "Is T/G really "into" vwrw?"

If the answer to that is "yes". then T/G has some planning to do.  Marriage is all about the mutual protection of the spouse.  Be it in this life, or reaching out from the grave with an insurance policy that effectively replaces the security she would have had if you were still around.

I completely agree with what Gator said, however, there are a couple of problems in doing this.

Insurance policies above the level of a "burial" policy for someone who is mid-60s are hard to come by and very expensive.  I don't care how healthy a man is.  The odds are against getting a substantial insurance policy if you are over 60.  Insurance companies don't take bets they know they are eventually gonna lose.

OK,, so you say T/G is independently wealthy and can leave her the bulk of his estate.  Well, I don't know about T/G's family, but I've seen my own relatives quibble over more than a few bones when it came to splitting up Grampa's ranchland and money.  Lawyers can bring out the greed in people when there a dead man's money to be shuffled about.  The best laid plans and the best drawn wills can, and are, contested everyday, with nobody winning but the lawyers.

I don't know anything about T/G's business, but vwrw needs some assurance that she won't be the only one left without a chair when the music stops.  To me, that would mean cash in accounts only she can access, royalty and operating interests in all businesses from which T/G draws income, pretty much an *Iron Clad* will, which all children from previous marriages have signed off on agreeing to the terms.  And once the die is cast, no changing the rules of the game...  In other words, she needs a soild pre-nuptual agreement that is completely front loaded.  I don't think she'll get it, but she should try.

Best case is; she could marry and T/G may be around until she's 80.  Worst case, she might marry and he'll kick the can in 6 months, whatever happens, she should not expect to go back to Russia worse off than she started.  T/G would need to ensure that fact while the lights are still on.

jb,  first, thanks for your last post.  Yes, her English is Excellent.  Once in a while I have to repeat something or talk a little slow but she does great.

VWRW and I have talked about some things.  One is that I told her that if she came here that I would help have her current degrees translated and evaluated and would let her get any kind of eductation here that she wants.   I think those are important things for her future.   I think in America a smart woman with an education will not have to worry a lot financially. 

I think like most Russian women who have never been here she probably does not know a lot about the legal systems here and how much lawyers can mess things up and cost everyone a lot of money and destroy family relationships.   I have talked a few times about a Ukrainian Gal I know who spent $ 10,000 arguing over who owned a $ 6.00 snow shovel.  I think if we do decide to have a future together she and I need to sit down and talk about these things a little more.   I think your suggestion of an Iron Clad will that everyone is aware of the terms and a good prenup that protects vwrw are very good suggestions. 

For me, I would want a mix where everyone was taken care of.  I have invested a lot of years in my children and they have invested a lot of years working in my business.   I think the important thing for me is that if something did happen the business was not destroyed by the legal battles over it.   I would not even think of having vwrw left out in the cold but I also would not want that to happen to my kids.  I don't think vwrw would want that either. 

I am not rich, but I have enough assets that I don't worry much about insurance.  I don't think that part would be too important.

I think we are not quite to the point of having some of these talks yet but I think it was very good that you made these suggestions to remind us of things we do need to talk about if we are going to be together.

Right now I think the issue is still if we are going to build a life together.  For my part, there is no decision to make.  I think she is the most wonderful woman I have ever met and would be quite happy if we end up together.   She has a few issues to resolve in her mind yet and I want her to have whatever time she needs to be comfortable with any decision she makes.   I don't want to rush her or pressure her into any choices she might later regret.   I do think we both were quite happy together.  It was the nicest 5 days of my life.  I hope much more is ahead.

[Turboguy]

TRIP REPORT PART 1   TURBOGUY AND VWRW

I am not going to do a full trip report but I will do two posts that talk about parts of my visit.  Here is part 1

When I arrived in Barnaul, one of the first things I noticed besides how beautiful vwrw was, was how wonderfully she took care of me and looked after even the smallest of details.   I have a habit of going out with my coat unzipped.  Every time we went out the door she would check immediately and remind me to zip my coat.

She had told me it would be cold there but it was colder than I expected.   I took a heavier coat than I had with me in Ukraine but not the coat I would wear for a Russian Winter.   I was not freezing but yes, I was a little cold.   VWRW refused to dress warmly.   She said she did not want to be warm while I was cold so she wore lighter clothes than she might otherwise.

Well, the third evening there she came down with chills, fever and a sore throat.   She did mega doses of cold medication.  Our 4th day together was spent at her apartment with her wrapped in a blanket and popping pills.   It was the first time I had seen her without makeup and to be very honest she was as beautiful without make up as she was with.   I spent my day just holding her all wrapped in her blanket.  She slept a lot and I tried to sleep when she did cuddled up to her.  If felt really good just to be near her.  I was really quite happy to do my best to nurse her back to health.   I am sure many would think of a day like that as a bad day.   There were no bad days, only wonderful ones.   

I think there are not too many women who would let themselves freeze just because their man was to dumb to bring a warm coat.  I think it just shows a little more of how special she really is.

[Turboguy]

TRIP REPORT PART 2   TURBOGUY AND VWRW

On our last night together VWRW was back to feeling good.  I had to get up at 5 am to go to the airport.  VWRW decided to stay with me and make sure I got off OK.

One of the things that first attracted me to VWRW was our communications and e-mails.   Many times when you write someone you talk about your day, or your job.  We seemed to be able to really communicate and to talk about everything.   We talked about everything from the meaning of life to re-incarnation.   Her letters were always amazing and fascinating.   Early in our communications I told her that I liked the way we could talk to each other and I would always try my best to be honest an open with her and to keep our communication at a point where we could trust each other and talk about anything.

Still early in our communication but a little after that she told me that she had a secret.   She said she would not tell me now but listed certain times she would tell me which were basically times that it would be appropriate. 

I had mentioned a few times in the things we talked about some tidbits I had picked up on RWD.  The last I remember was we were talking about RW and jealousy and I told her about the post about hermit crabs in a bucket.

In the last week before my visit I got a letter from her and she said that I had mentioned a forum I go to a few times and she asked me what the URL of it was.  I thought "Oh shit"   my whole life story is on RWD including the Tour with Jack when I told her I was in Denver and Texas and even said in my post if you rearrange the letters in Denepr you could make it spell Denver.   (Remember good old honest me who wound try never to lie to her.)

I did some quick thinking.  I had not been on RMP in 4 months but do have about 120 posts there.  I went there and made a couple of quick posts so it would look like I was active and gave her that URL.  She said nothing more so I thought that it would not be a problem.

Our last night together some of our talks were pretty serious and not always pleasant but they were things we needed to talk about.   We basically felt we needed to be apart for a little while and be able to evaluate what we need for our future without without the things that go with being together.   We were just about ready to go to sleep and when she said to me something like, if things don't work out for us, perhaps you will find happiness with the girl you called "the nose"

I burst out laughing and said "Ah, you know about RWD.  She told me that it was the secret she would not tell me.   That the first time I mentioned it she did an internet search for forums that discuss RW and first found the other two I have a few posts on.   Then she found RWD and when she saw how many posts I had here she knew she had hit the mother load. 

We were laughing are Assses off for hours.  Talking about all the things here and elsewhere.   She said she was very proud of me for telling off SmoothOperator on RWD.  He is a sex tourist and I posted that he was a lowlife that made life harder for guys who are looking for a good girl to make a life with.

She told me the whole time when I was telling her I was in Denver, she was reading my posts about the tour and even the part about changing the letters in Dneper.   Actually she told me she has read all 2600 posts I have made here and the 150 or so I have at RWD and RMP.  When I was telling here I was in Denver she was leading me on and asking me to tell her as many details about my day as possible because she really wanted to know about my days.  She already knew more than I thought.

We talked about some of the people and stories here.  jb was the first she mentioned.  She said he was a very wise man who has more understanding of the psyche of Russian Women than any American she knows of.  We talked about KenC who she said she had tremendous respect for.   We talked of Ken from Virginia who she said was one of the nicest people she has seen.   We talked about many more, I won't name them all but she knew most everyone and their story. 

For two hours we laughed so hard we probably cried from it.  I am amazed we could sleep after, but it was funny anyway.

I am not sure what the moral of all this is.  Perhaps don't say you will be honest and then tell lies or don't talk about RWD if you don't want your posts read but all in all it was funny and I have no regrets.

She knows that when I went on Jack's tour I was doing it more for my son than for myself.   I think she also understands that my not telling her about the tour was more to protect her from worry than to hurt her.  I am fairly certain my son would not have gone without me and I hope that I have set his life on a course that will bring him happiness.   She is a very smart and understanding lady.   

[viking]

Turbo

I saw her photo and your post about her knowing all about your 'other' posts. All the time, energy and bucks you have poured into your quest now seem to be paying off. She appears to be an amazing, caring woman. When I read about the laughter, her taking the time and making the effort to learn more about you (more than you really wanted )says a lot about her.

Honestly,  I do not need to wish you luck. You already have it.

[Voyageur]

Ray,

Best of luck to you and vwrw. Although it may be too soon to declare victory, you have been through enough and have the experience you need to go to the next level.

[Michelangelo]

 We were just about ready to go to sleep and when she said to me something like, if things don't work out for us, perhaps you will find happiness with the girl you called "the nose"

I burst out laughing and said "Ah, you know about RWD.   

Wow--you have been exposed, Turbo! And survived it 

Another reason she is a great gal.  Have a nice flight home.

[Gator]

Turbo,

Congratulations on finding this beautiful Barnaul Flower.

Time apart is most important to reflect upon your relationship and your future.  And soon will come the time to visit again, with better understanding of each other. 

Your history is mostly unknown to me as I went a year without reading RW forums.  Yet, I can tell you have traveled a lot and that suggests you have the time to meet her again and again to develop a solid, loving relationship.  Life is good!

Besides being a good looking woman, your Barnaul Flower is intelligent and has a sense of humor, such as "the Nose" comment.  When I wrote, “passion with an older man will not equal…” she replied, “yes Gator…the passion with Turbo was 100% better”.  Great answer!  And clever twist of the words.

I still question your tastes in food.  It is one thing to eat at McDonalds and Sbarro; it is even worse to write about it and to defend it.  If you are still in Moscow, there are many good, moderately priced restaurants such as the Couvoisser (French Bistro) or the City Grille (American fusion).  Miss Barnaul does not seem to be a McDonalds woman.

But I do not question your tastes in women.  She seems to be a "keeper".  I wish you both the best.

[SANDRO43]

Vwrw (does that stand for Very Wise Russian Woman ?) and Turbo, good to hear another nice story, after the horror ones we see all too frequently here.

When you'll decide to hitch up, let's all have a party here at RWD (after all, it was partially instrumental in your case ) !

[TexasBoar]

TG, having followed your posts with interest since arriving here . . . let me just join in the chorus of high-fives and woohoos and offer my own sincere congratulations.  She's definitely a keeper, and it's great to see you so lucky at last.

~Boar

[Son of Clyde]

Best of luck Turboguy.
Iryna arrived home Thursday and I have not been on the board very often to read about your new lady. I wish you much success. When you arrive home we should talk.

[Turboguy]

Thank you Viking and Voyager and Michaelangelo.   Yes, I think I am very lucky assuming it goes the way I hope.  

Thank you also Gator.  Yes, I have the time to meet her again.   We are having some good talks about things that are important right now.  I think we will know more about how we want our lives to go in the very near future.   If we believe we want to be together I want to go back to see her again very soon.   We also had some talks about going someplace in the winter so we don't have to freeze quite as much as we would in Siberia.  Right now Rome seems like the leading choice.  I think that will be the third trip.  

She has some problems at work and can not get a lot of time off.  Sort of like a new job situation which I am sure you would understand.  Rome may not be a possibility but we would both like that.

Thank you Sandro, Boar and Clyde.   Clyde.  I get home tomorrow night and will be home Tuesday.  Wednesday I go to Columbus Ohio for a trade show and will be back Sunday.   I will be home anytime after that.  Call me Tue or after Sunday if you want.  I would be happy to talk to you. 

Yes, she is both very smart and very wise.  I am not concerned with the cost of my dinner.  It has nothing at all to do with price.  It is that after eating the food here for this trip I have a hankering for some American food.  I realize that I will be back in America tomorrow night but still they have a very nice and not overpriced buffet at the hotel but a Chicken McNuggets meal sounds better to me right now that the best Chicken Kiev in the FSU or whatever you want in the food here.   There are some very good foods.  I am ready for a break from them.  I had some wonderful meals with vwrw.   Actually the places we seemed to like the best were sort of cafeteria type places.   We ate a lot of different kitchens but that seemed to be the ones we enjoyed the most.  She is not really someone who has to have the best of everything.  She is actually fairly conservative as I am.  To me, it is not so much the restaurant you are in that is important, it is who you are with.  Yes, sometimes it is nice to have a meal in a good restaurant.  

Even the day after she was sick when she called to say she was ready to leave to come to me, I asked her to not take the trolley and buses to get to me but to take a cab so she would be warm and I would give her the money for the cab.  She said, no she would take the bus and dress warm.

[Gator]

She sounds better and better with each word you write.

[BillyB]

 Actually she told me she has read all 2600 posts I have made here and the 150 or so I have at RWD and RMP. 

Nothing wrong with that. vwrw has done some research on the man, TG,  she was to meet. Smart woman. Only if more men would do the same before going on a series of blind dates thousands of miles away! That fact that vwrw spent the time to read and respects what TG writes shows she has a genuine interest in him.

It's a wonderful feeling when you find a high quality woman who's into you. TG, I think you've found her! She seems to be a lot better from all other women you've met. Your patience may pay off. She seems to be "almost" as good a woman as my fiancee.

TG and vwrw, I wish you the best and many happy years together.

[vwrw]

Thank guys very much for compliments.
Sandro43, I guess your supposition is based on I often use words-“very wise”. But I do not consider me to be very wise. I am lucky, not wise. You are wrong about first two words. However, you really are right about last two. Do you have others suppositions?

[jinx13]

 Hey Turbo,

  She looks like a winner, very pretty, intelligent, and most important...easy going. She doesn't seem to be the jealous type, and she knows your whole history from your posts and doesn't hold it against you, I think she is very wise for her age.

 In that previous topic that Bruno linked where she asks advice about age difference, was she asking about you? Pretty funny that you responded and had no idea it was the girl you had been corresponding with.

 vwrw, I am trying to guess what the VW is for, but I can't come up with anything, unless you are driving a Volkswagen    Can you give us a hint?  - David

[Turboguy]

I will give you a hint or two. First when she said the first two words were wrong she meant the phrase but not neccesarily both actual words. Next hint the W is not wonderful or wise and when you figure it out you will say "of couse". In other words it will make sense. Ok. Have at it.

[jb]

jb was the first she mentioned.  She said he was a very wise man who has more understanding of the psyche of Russian Women than any American she knows of.

This is a very smart and wise woman.

[jinx13]

 very wonderful? very womanly?  ???

[TexasBoar]

very wonderful? very womanly?  ???

Very willing? 

~Boar

[Sohkay]

Volkswagen? She likes Volkswagens?