By Richards own words Tver Angels real or not?

[Marc Dayton]

By Richard

Then to top it off, I get pi$$ed only because I m an agency owner & I shouln't be permitted to say anythng about my competition

By Marc-----------------

The words by Richard is what justifies my posting many questions about his post and the truth behind them. In other words Richard Live by the sword and one day you will die by the sword!!!

The post of Richards from Tver Angels. These are the truths about his word smithing twisting his false words into a sales pitch by using what he has learned over the years on RWD & RWG to sell you all a bill of goods. Is he 100% using you and these facts to take advantage of YOU!

By Richard----------------

The rest of us are cooperating & working together in a fashion. We all take walk ins no matter what agency you come here with, BH, LTP & us are coopersting because it benifits the ladies.

By Marc---------------------

Never has there bean any talk between Richard, and LTP Dennis or Marc in regards to working together for any reason in regrads to Walk in or other things that you claim.

This is 100% a sales pitch he is smart and knows that he has nothing to offer you so he sells you that the 3 agencies in town are working together. First I ask any of you why Dennis or I would work with a well know agency that has scammed many men over the years one who has stolen from LTP and from you. We would be fools to work with a scam agency? Never has LTP talked with Richard or BH? about working together with walk ins.

First a statment by me. Then I have cut copied a smal part of some of Richards post that are vary miss leading.

My big question for Richard is why he is posting how well his new agency is doing. The facts that over 60 days ago the 3 men who started Tver Brides are long gone. What’s left is a Russian woman who over 60 or more days ago ripped off her ex husbands bank account for 14 thousand dollars and Richard you seams to be O.K. with that? And your still working with her? Richard I would love to here your word smithing on this!

What I am told by one of his ex partners is even his main interputers have walked out because of all the fighting that is going on in this office. Richard I asked you this in one posts. All you can say it had the 14K had nothing to do with you. Well if she is paying your bills at the agency it has everything to do with you!!!

By Richard---------------

Thev rest of us decidedto bury the hatchet & do what the ladies need & quit thinkin' about our petty differences. We agree to disagree, I guess you could say, but we are cooperating & in the long run that cooperation is better for you guys

By Marc----------------

A sales pitch to make him look like something he is not. 100% over and over he states that there is an agreement between agencies No such talks have ever happened with Dennis Or I. Many months ago you went behind my back and Dennis backs when you were told no! We would not work with you. You tried to make a deal with Nadya she told you that you were band from the LTP office, and she was told not to have anything to do with you!

We wont stop a man from coming in LTP office, but there will never be any kind of working agreement with Richard or any other service in town. To tell you RWD members the truth we are also thinking of stopping this service 100% if Richard keeps selling us as he has an agreement with us. RWD members if this service stops you can 100% thanks Richard for it with all his word smithing and bending twisting the truth!!!!


By Richard------------

I also have tours on my site to different places around the Tver Oblast, Ostashkov is one of those places. We are contiually adding to our Travel Pages as it takesup a lot of free time

By Marc-----------

This 100% is a total sales pitch. First think about this if you have lots of free time then the agency should be working to find your RW that you want to meet. Not working to sell you a hunting trip or fishing trip. This is all a out and out scam just like the gift scam .

I call this the back side sale. Many men feel if I don’t meet the right RW I can always sight see? So Richard knowing this uses this to sell you to use his service its deception is to play on your fear of failing so you won’t feel bad if you fail, any agency that’s dose this only cares about the $$$$ not about you, and finding the right RW for you!

BY Richard--------------

I knew Natasha long before she started TR using LTP's stolen database, I know Luba quite well too. So don't ever come on this or any board & try to tell me about the agencies in Tver, because pal, you don't have a clue.

By Marc------------

I told I am bad know you turn on RWD members should you knot clean up your self and all your lies before you slam the men on this board for Questioning you? 

By Richard

Like I said, the fact that they don't want to work with the rest of us is no sweat off my butt or anybody elses for that matter. We are doing just fine without them, the only ones who lose is them & their clients

By Marc------------

One more time your doing so well were is one single attempt from you to contact Dennis and pay back one dollar of the $2000 he lent you to go back to Canada to save your home from your own son, or was this another one of your lies and cons! If you were any kind of man at all you would pay Dennis something since your doing so well.

But I will bet you lost all of your life in Canada for the same reason you never paid your bills, and you used your own son to blame it on. What a Father.

By Richard--------------
just let him walk in & meet the ladies. In my opinion that is the future of this buisness & letter writing will become obsolete!

By Marc---------

Once agene a sales pitch as he has nothing, but fishing trips to sell you!!!

By Richard
It still urks me that just becuse I am an owner my word is automatically suspect. Facts are facts & if they can be proved it shouldn't matter one damn iota who said them. Course thats in my fantasy world I guess.
I don't have to slng mud. I am proud of what we have accomplished in the past few months

By Marc-------------

You are proud that Marina Ripped off her ex husband bank account for 14 K, and that all your new partners have run off WOW that leaves me speechless. You are nothing but BS!

I know I have been quite vocal in the past but ll it has succeeded in doing is making Tver the front line in a war zone, that nobody wants to visit. This hurts everybody, the ladies especially who don't deserve to be caught in the middle.
I'll say it one more time, we are all working together, exept TR, in a small but positive way

By Richard----------
I talked to Marc about it a couple of times but made no headway until Dennis stepped in & wa smart enough to see the light & LTP agreed to do the same

By Marc---------------
Once agene you talk to Dennis about 3 years ago and have never talked to him agene you make the past sound like the present. You have not talked to Dennis since you took his $2000 dollars that’s the truth!!!

By Richard
I got another thing going on here with a client that is wearing me down some, maybe I'm just taking things to serious lately. No skin off my butt, what goes around comes around

By Marc---------

For once he tells you some of the truth, but not all of it he only wants to sell you fishing and hunting trips and site services once he fools you to think he is working with us.

By Richard---------

No skin off my butt, what goes around comes around

By Marc-----------

To all RWD members don’t you think its time to stop giving Richard a free pass, and hold him to the same standard you hold all others agencies too. He wants you to belive in him he sings you the songs you want to here, and his songs mean one thing to him, and at the same time sings you to sleep wake up he is not one of you he is an con man parenting to be one of you.

STOP THINK asks your self’s with all that he claims can he be selling you a bill of goods? Or is he the person I stay he is A fake a pretender one who tells you many lies?

[Manny]

For those of us that dont know..........

Marc is LTP? Is that Life Time Partners? Based where?

If we are to be amused by a pi$$ing contest between agencies then say who is who and provide linsk to the posts/topics you quote from that prompted this?

Is this the rvrwind guy you are talking of?

I suggest you copy your post Marc as it may well dissapear without trace before your very eyes! 

[Bruno]

Marc, since the moderator seem to be sleeping, i can maybe give a advice... stop these marriage agency war in Tver... it is bad for the marriage agencies, bad for the customers and bad for the honest RW...

And if you wish really continue the fight, why open a new topic... a other one is already existing...

[Marc Dayton]

Bruno,

Of all pepole on this board why are you giving him a free pass.

Bruno take a look at his front page you will see what I am talking about the wedding photo of Marina & Leo these two are devoiced, but Richard keeps it on his site to miss lead you.

Why are you trying to defend him why are all of you giving him a free pass

Hold him to the same standards you hold any agency too?

[BillyB]

If we are to be amused by a pi$$ing contest between agencies then say who is who and provide linsk to the posts/topics you quote from that prompted this?

Here's the link Manchester. It's a long thread but the drama is worth it.

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=2649.0

Marc, let it die out. It's in everyone's best interest. The only one who should be speaking now is Natasha who so far has failed to come back and answers the questions she promised.

[Marc Dayton]

BillyB

This is why I started this post to give Nataha post back to you that want to here from her.

I also want just as many of you do to see Richard held to the same standard he must answer just you feel Natasha must.

Or is there a double standard here Richard get a free pass, but she must answer?

[Manny]

Just a casual comment here................

I have read the first few and the last few pages of the linked thread above. (who has time to read all 26?) If I were a potential customer it would make me avoid the agencies quoted and Tver like the plague. I would choose agencies and towns without any attached controversy. All this who stole what database from who stuff is surely not of so much interest of the glitterati of this board as a whole and half of them will never have heard of Tver in any event.

Apart from light entertainment and highlighting which agencies to avoid, I fail to see how such a pi$$ing contest is of use to the agencies or the purpose of this board?

[Marc Dayton]

your 100% wright, but this is not an agency war. It is 100% about Richard saying anything he wants.

None of you question what he tells you? If I must look bad to wake you all up then thats the way it is.

[Manny]

Wait for the howling protests from the above mentioned! 

 More supercilious garbage - silenced for 14 days.

[andrewfi]

I should be asleep! I go out and when I get back there is more entertainment from Tver.

All of you tearing the guts out of your businesses. Going to the poorhouse for nothing.

Actually, it is not so much fun any more. Not boring, but we know what is going to happen we can see the car in slow motion, hitting the side wall and bouncing off, getting caught up in the other cars. Loads of injury and pain.

[Marc Dayton]

To one and all I am sorry but,

 he who lives in glass houses should not through stones. He demands we answers to him. So let him be a man and tell us what the truth is if knows what the truth is.

let Richard tell us about the 14K stolen why he naver tride to pay Dennis back, and why all his new partners have run out on him!!!

Then I will shut up, and get off the RWD

[Rvrwind]

I didn't even want to respond to your post Marc as it is full of bull & inuendo as usual.
The only true part in your whole schpeal is that I owe Dennis $2000.00, big deal. What you don't know is that I borrowed $5000.00, $2000.00 from Dennis & $2000.00 from another friend & $1000.00 from my sister. My sister & my friend have both been repaid, my friend just recently. You see they are not millionaires like Dennis, so I figured it only right that I pay them back first. But you see, Dennis himself told you to keep your mouth shut & stay out of it as it has nothing to do with you, its between me & him. He will get his money but it takes time when you only earn $700.00 a month & have to live at the same time. Dennis is well aware of that & already told you to back off, but like the pig you are you like to roll in the mud.
I figure the way your pi$$ing his money away he'll probably need it pretty soon though, as he's liable to go broke supporting your worthless a$$.
You know, guy's I apologize, I didn't want to do this, I really tried to not post to this thread but it just ate away at me & unlike someone else you are waiting for an answer from I am not afraid of the truth.
Even the cheap shots at my partner who he has never met & never talked to & is getting his information 3-4-5th hand is totally inacurate. First of all they are not divorced & if Marc can prove they are go for it, cause I can sure as he!! prove they are not. If & when they do get divorced I will be more than happy to change the info on my website. On top of that it is a personal matter that has dick all to do with me or Marc or anybody else but them.
Not much different than you pretending to be married two years after your divorce because if the guys knew it "would be bad for buisness". You got nerve I'll give you that, no brains but a lot of nerve!
He also keeps mentioning other partners, well not to burst anybodies bubble but I  have never had any other partners, except my wife, ever & she is still here. And where do you get the fairytale about the terps I have no idea. We had one terp leave after we joined the two buisnesses, the other two are still working for us, the one that left, left because she went back to school & she could not work the shifts required of her, plain & simple.
As for the travel & excursion packages, well that was the suggestion of the clients to add them & it had nothing to do with not having ladies. It had to do with the fact that during weekdays most of the ladies are working & dating is very slim, so why should the guy sit around & do nothing when he can see the sites & enjoy the culture & history. Of course you prefer them to sit around your office staring at the walls & lstening to everybody talk Russian & totally ignore him, BTDT. Also some of our excursions are free, others are not & many are activities you can take your lady on & many trips I sell to clients that are not even coming here to meet women. Your biggest problem Marc is you have never been able to see the big picture & that is why you continue to take credit for other peoples ideas & hard work, & why you can't fathom the thought that I am only starting in this buisnes & already doing well, at least better than you. I wish you luck Marc, your gonna need it.
You go ahead & keep slandering me & calling me a liar all you want Marc, as usual your full of hot air. Not the first time you have called me a liar & I have been proven to be right. Bruno called you on it last time. Read for yourself:

Posted By Mac Dayton of LTP today

First I ask any of you why Dennis or I would work with a well know agency that has scammed many men over the years one who has stolen from LTP and from you. We would be fools to work with a scam agency? Never has LTP talked with Richard or BH? about working together with walk ins.

Posted by Marc Dayton on July 7, 2006

Many of you know that on a trail basis LTP is working with A-Web

First we gave then 14 profiles to start with, and vary fast we have hundreds of letters for the girls this was vary good, as advertised by A-web as you can guess we were running crazy contacting the RW and getting letters back to A-webs men.

We put on one more full time girl in the office and hired some new girls part time help to keep up with the letters.

First each interputer had to take an A-web test if she passed she was put on. If she failed she was out. I liked it and was vary happy, and impressed to see this type of testing by A-Web.

Second A-web I am glad to report called each RW and talked to them to see if the RW was real not just a fake profile and bio. Vary nice they seam to be on top of this trying to make sheer RW understood that we placed there bios and photos on A-webs site. Big Plus!!!

Are next event was in June with getting the LTP RW to attend the A-Web party in Tver this last June. We worked over time to impress A-web to have are RW at this party are count was 95 RW attended the A-Web party from LTP

So far all I can say about A-web is 100% good, but know this is were LTP is between a rock and a hard place.

First we wanted to place some other LTP RW on the A-web site. The profiles were not excepted so we called A-web to see if there was something we were doing wrong?

We were told that 80% of the letters sent to us has NO! Response that if are girls would not write back to the men we could not place new girls on the A-Web site? We told them what the reason was that most 18 year old RW won’t write to 50 & 60 year old men and other men that they have no interests in. So LTP is between a rock and a hard place? No letters no new postings of new profiles.

Know to the party and the rock and the hard place hits us at once, but being the new kids on the block with them we had no choice in the events going on at the party.

The BeHappy staff was keeping the records of the girls and the agencies that the RW came to the party with. Not a good thing for the LTP staff. So the end results was we were giving a credit for 45 RW attending the party not the 95 RW that my office manger claims attended the party from LTP?

I don’t think it’s a big shock the local agency is paid by the girl that attend the party so with that in mind, and Behappy doing the door count we came up a bit short on service provide by LTP and BH was paid for 50% of the RW we had attend the party.

Well as you can understand my office manager was upset, and on the phone to A-web managements here comes the rock and the hard place. Let me say first I can understand to a point why? , but that is only a simple new agreement to fix?  

Behappy has many girls on the A-web site they claimed that these girls were from there program so by having an account that was posted on A-web first Behappy was paid for 50% of the LTP RW at the party,

I will post part 2 soon, but first I my office manager is contacting some of these girls, and we will talk to A-web from the U.S. Please not at this time my experience with A-web has been good so we will attempt to sort things out and reach a new understanding with A-Web.

Marc Dayton

Posted by Bruno on July 7, 2006

And now, Marc explain that he work with A-web, that he have participate to the A-web party in June...

So Marc, why have you "attack" Richard when he have reveal these information... It seem that he have say the true since yourself now say that you are in the A-web family !

Not sure that "word smiting" was on the side of Richard... Sorry Marc, i have bad memory but evenement from one month ago is not far enough to forget it.

My only suggestion: people in gass houses shouldn't throw stones. Back off Marc before I really get Pi$$ed. You don't want to work with me, fine, but its your clients who will suffer, not mine. But you got your happy little Aweb family & don't need us right. Well at least we are making enough money to pay the bill's & the wages, to me thats doing good, I no longer have to put money out of my pocket to keep the place going, can you say the same, not last I heard, of course the money isn't coming out of your pocket cause you don't have a pot to pi$$ in or a window to throw it out of.
I'll buy the place off ya' for a dollar, cause at the rate your going, thats about all its worth!!

[Marc Dayton]

I Knew you would deflect the question. With luck real soon one of your ex partners will post vary soon to tell his side of whats going on.

You can out type as well as out lie me, but the tuuth will come out soon

You still don't anser you are partners with a woma that just ripped off her U.S. Husbain for 14 K

Look soon for one of you ex partners to tell the truth?

[Marc Dayton]

NY Mets 4 LA Dogers 0 in the 3rd

Richard one more ? for you if you have no partners, and Marina is not working with you. Why is her Name on your site.

Also why there photo when the met each other in the LTP program is this not misleading or the same as falce advertising

[Rvrwind]

You know Marc, if you got something to say that I & everbody else could really understand well perhaps I could fashion a reply. I think I have answered your accusations quite clearly & consisely & if you are too illiterate to figure it out, I am at a loss as to how to comfort your tortured soul.
I do hope I will get to meet my partners though, as I would surely hate to miss that opportunity. I expect they will have a contract signed by them & me. I mean I'm nobodies fool & I ain't about to go into a partnership with anybody without having it written & my butt covered legally. There is one in our office on the wall, but it has only two names on it, mine & Marina's so where these other 'Partners' come from is really news to me.

[Marc Dayton]

Mets 4 LA 2 in the 5th

O.K. so in your words what was TverBrides and what happend to this partner ship. Then why are you posting a wedding photo of Marina & Leo on your site who meet and married in The .TP program is this Marina not the same person you talk about the one that riped of the 14K ?

[Marc Dayton]

LA 4 Mets 4

By Richard

I do hope I will get to meet my partners though, as I would surely hate to miss that opportunity. I expect they will have a contract signed by them & me. I mean I'm nobodies fool & I ain't about to go into a partnership with anybody without having it written & my butt covered legally.

So in other words you F Tver Brides ?


And by your words show us something in writing about the 3 agencies working together Since you like covering you but!!

You are one hell of a lier

[Marc Dayton]

Bummer LA 5 Mets 4

I should thank you Richard for that last statment about no contract as it is common noalage that you mearged with Tver Briges as you had many post in the past about the two of you working together

[Jooky]

I've been reading through this Tver agency battle bull today. Look, I don't think anybody cares for accusations about who stole what. This is no court of law and we're not presented with any hard evidence. This simply puts on public display agencies allowing their own personal and business disputes to detriment the good of their clients.

Marc, you made this absolutely clear with this statment:

To tell you RWD members the truth we are also thinking of stopping this service 100% if Richard keeps selling us as he has an agreement with us. RWD members if this service stops you can 100% thanks Richard for it with all his word smithing and bending twisting the truth!!!!

Simply to spite someone you have a personal dispute with you are willing to turn away men from your agency who have absolutely nothing to do with your agency battles. This harms the men who are not your clients, the women who are your clients and your own business. What is the point?

One thing completely astounds me, this post about Anastasia Web that was dredged up.

Marc, you seriously need to open your eyes. Anastasia Web is acting in the manner that has earned it just about the worst reputation in this already shady business and 'so far all you can say about them is 100% good'.

Here's what they are doing, which should be crystal clear:

Anastasia lures you into being one of their affiliates with smile, good service, and increased profits. They know you have a good reputation as an agency. They make you feel comfortable with them and even 'screen' the girls you send their way to show what an honest business they run.

Then they refuse profiles because the 'girls won't write back'. What is the intention of this?

Anastasia-Web is not an agency itself is it? It works with affiliates. In that way the affiliates can take the blame for runnier the seedier side of their con. So Anastasia-Web refuses profiles of girls that won't respond to just any old aging keyboard romeo. This makes your typical affiliate stop and think. What can it do?

- Lose the generous increase in business that being an Anastasia-Web affiliate provides (as you noted).
- Demand that their women respond to every letter that comes in. (I know first hand that this happens).
- Write letters for these women without their knowledge. (I also know first hand that this happens).

Anastasia-Web was putting on the pressure for you to become one of their shady affiliates. It's all about the moolaugh. On top of it you get ripped off from your proceeds from some romance tour (which is my mind is shady enough already).

How long have you been in this business? Can't you see what is happening right before your very own eyes?

On a different note, I did not realize that the Canadian Cowboy set up hunting and fishing trips. The original post in this thread made me take a first look at his agency's site. I have to say, although I would never deliberately use an agency to meet a woman (so nobody here has to worry about losing or gaining my business), I like the idea of country tours and fishing trips. I would use a tourist agency for such a trip. I know that kind of thing is not easy to set up on your own in Russia. It's much easier to meet women.  

[Mod5]

I'm going to take the opportunity to lock this one up now. As far as I can see, we have a bunch of unsubstantiated accusations and third party hearsay to which Richard has answered far more than I would have.  If Dan decides to reopen this in the morning, it's his choice.