Buyer Beware: Very few are Pure at Heart

[Rvrwind]

Hey Richard

What does age have to do with this post...are you giving advice or is this a sales pitch???

As Ken said it deffinitly was on topic, but I can see that your new alliance is rubbing off on you already, as with his posts your remark as well is totally uncalled for & is totally unacceptable.

[ConnerVT]

Oct 5, 2006:

Gentleman, have a good day, this is my last post.  IF you feel the need to argue with me, go ahead as I will not respond....

You should of kept your word...   

[Rvrwind]

Not to worry Fred. I expect I will have to take "shoots" from the Peanut Gallery for awhile yet, but that situation will change, believe me.
As my friend Johnny English says, "Watch this space!"

[Darth Vader]

Not to burst your bubble Darth but there are a few old perverts out there that bloody well deserve to be taken to the cleaners!!

I'm sure that is true to some extent, Richard.  But I agree with Bruce, there are more good people around than bad.

But about our case in point-- a Russian lady who stuck her nose in our business is not the same as a client who comes to you and whom you accept.   You sought them.  We did not seek this lady.

Now you impose here in this strand that you will not accept such clients. You MUST have taken them as your ciients at one time becasue you speak these words as if from experience.  If not, how can you say such things ?

[ConnerVT]

Darth -- The word I get from those "on the street" (interpreters and others who see first hand those whom make the trip) is that the ratio is about 50% strange to 50% normal.  Having also sat for many hours on a number of airliners destined for Russia, I wouldn't dispute it. 

Although highly unscientific, just as Russians can easily spot a Westerner, I find it easy to spot those headed to meet a Russian sweetie (or three).  Those I've noticed seem to fall at opposite ends of the spectrum.  Those who obviously have their act together, and then those whom I would move to another part of the bar if they sat next to me...

[Rvrwind]

Now you impose here in this strand that you will not accept such clients. You MUST have taken them as your ciients at one time becasue you speak these words as if from experience.  If not, how can you say such things ?

Yes, I do speak from experience, I however did not take them as clients, those I worked for did. That is why I can now say why I will not take them, as I have delt with them & don't wish to repeat the experience.
When someone fills out a profile on my site, as now I am the boss & I decide who will or will not be our clients, I read them very thorougly. I then usually contact the prospective client & exchange a few emails. I know its not an exact science but I do the best I can with the tools I have available. Sometimes if they tell me so&so recommended me, well then I contact so&so & ask a few questions. Anything out of line or hinky & he's done, no refund no nothing, I cut him loose. Why? Because I run a serious & honest buisness & I won't have it sulied by anybody.
I recently had a client that lied to me, when I discovered his lie he was not welcome back in our office. He was a walkin' from another agency here & to avoid another dustup on the board, I won't name the agency, so don't ask.
The lie, well he filled out hs profile & stated he was 58 years old & was looking for a woman from 25-30 no kids, that in itself was bad enough as in my opinion he shouldn't be looking at women under 35, kids optional. He didn't have any pictures so offered us to scan his passport pic, maybe he thought I was an idiot, but I looked at his birthdate in his passport, he was 78. That was enough for me to refuse him service.
Yes, I have experienced it Darth & I won't subject the ladies in my agency to it. Many times I have been told by others, "he!! just take his money & let the ladies tell him no, we do." I could, but I won't. The ladies on my site trust me to do right by them & I do the best I can & if I start letting guys like this through my door, most of my ladies would quit the agency, & I wouldn't blame them.
Why is it do you think that these big agencies have so many ladies, but yet when you come to town or you make your wish list, so many are "unavailable"? Many of them are tired of meeting losers & if that is all they meet at the agency, the ones who are real serious about finding love & building a future, well they move on to a different agency until they find one that doesn't take on the losers & they have a better chance of meeting a decent man. In other words they rely on me to make sure I bring in quality men, which I confess is sometimes very difficult, but can also be very rewarding.
Just as you men expect quality women & no games, the serious ladies are, believe it or not, looking for exactly the same qualities in you.

[Darth Vader]

Darth -- The word I get from those "on the street" (interpreters and others who see first hand those whom make the trip) is that the ratio is about 50% strange to 50% normal.  Having also sat for many hours on a number of airliners destined for Russia, I wouldn't dispute it. 

Although highly unscientific, just as Russians can easily spot a Westerner, I find it easy to spot those headed to meet a Russian sweetie (or three).  Those I've noticed seem to fall at opposite ends of the spectrum.  Those who obviously have their act together, and then those whom I would move to another part of the bar if they sat next to me...

Ok, but what does this have to do with my thread and post about this lady on the plane?  Is Richard saying women and men are equally bad?

Seems to me that an agency is a different setting than a flight from Kiev to NY...

[ConnerVT]

OK, but what does this have to do with my thread and post about this lady on the plane?  Is Richard saying women and men are equally bad?

Seems to me that an agency is a different setting than a flight from Kiev to NY...

I suggest reading both what Richard and I wrote when your reading comprehension improves.  About the only thing you got right in your last post is that the thread has wandered away some from the initial post.  Threads, like conversations, do that most times.

Richard wasn't making a direct comparison between RW and WM.  He was answering the question you had asked him.  His observation did relate to your original post, suggesting that there are some strange men who end up married to RW, and they may be the ones that deserve to empty their bank accounts by a court ordered divorce settlement.  His observation (a first hand account) of the 78 year old man can either be accepted as a one time occurrence, or just a sampling of some of the guys who get involved in this endeavor.

My post combined second person information (told to me by a number of trusted people - interpreters, drivers, agency owners, office managers) and my own first hand observations.  All of these sources have convinced me that the 50% estimate is a pretty good one, for those traveling to the FSU.

Now, factor in the less serious ones, the "Keyboard Romeos", and the percentage of undesirable men goes up greatly.

To get back on your topic.  Given that there is a fairly poor group at large representing Western men to the FSU women, is it surprising that there would be a number of women who would think of us a just foolish mules to carry them to fortune in the West?

[Vaughn]

the ones who are real serious about finding love & building a future.......they rely on me to make sure I bring in quality men, which I confess is sometimes very difficult

.... is it surprising that there would be a number of women who would think of us a just foolish mules to carry them to fortune in the West?

As a group, the ladies should be just as wary, if not more, than the men. "Do you own rollerskates?" came up in my own early acquaintance with my wife. HUH? What's THAT got to do with us?
Well, sometime back in the late 90's, some aging hopeful made his way to Yoshkar-Ola, convinced a younger woman to close the deal and come to the USA. Apparently he had a wooden roller rink inside his dwelling, replete with banked turns - she was expected to "perform", that is, to skate in the buff while he flogged the dolphin, or some crap like that. It's one story that ran amok in Y-O when this lady returned ashamed & unmarried - and spoke little of American character as perceived in the circles of available ladies. I laughed at the notion, but the fact that the question arose tells me that my own wife practiced "Buyer Beware". Good night, some of the acts we serious men have had to follow!

[Darth Vader]

As a group, the ladies should be just as wary, if not more, than the men.

I agree with you, Vaughn.

I worked a lot in Europe the last 10 years, and fell in love with Eastern European women.  I put together a lot of 4 day weekends and  flew to Ukraine and Russia.  I dated a lot of women, not necessarily looking for a wife, but being open to encountering the special girl I could not live without.

Mostly I met girls on my own in their lives--at clubs, at cafes, at the bowling lanes.  Sometimes I worked off agency lists.  But one image sticks with me.  In Internet cafes, I saw lots of men from the US and Italy hunting girls.  I don't mind using the Jinx word here--these guys were sleazy.  Beware the poor girl who agreed to have even a single date with these guys.  So yes, Girls Beware, too.

BTW--I found that special girl and she is sleeping beside me right now as I type this.

[Darth Vader]

I suggest reading both what Richard and I wrote when your reading comprehension improves. 

LOL Conner.  I think your comprehension is better than you let on it is with that comment.  So is mine.

I was "yanking" Richard's chain.  Why?

Because like Richard, I have a background in journalism and public relations and I knew what he was doing.

Let's consider Public Relations. We are trained for interviews.  Any time a reporter asks a question, we feed him a great soundbite.  Something so clear and so controversal that it will make the television or printed news.  The soundbite has nothing to do with the question.  You say it and it gets reported.

Consider the news shows last Sunday morning.  Every politician dodged the questions Wallace and Russert asked, and spouted off their soundbites.  Same technique Richard is trained to do.

So in this case in this thread, Richard veers from the question and spouts his soundbite--information about his agency and how superior it is because of the screening he puts into selecting his clients--both men and women.

If you read the Tver Romance thread, you saw I supported Richard against all the guys who tried to pound him--Mike, Mark, aver8tor and the rest.  I'm on his side.  He has the best agency in Tver, in my opinion.

But in this thread, Mike was correct.  He caught Richard's game and called him on it.

Congrats to Richard on successfully getting his message and soundbite in again in the medium of this thread. 

I'm on board with it.

[Rvrwind]

Darth, LOL, I like you, you do have a way about you that, mmmmm, tweaks my interest, should I say.
I find it very difficult to relate the experiences & such that I have had over the years without eluding to my agency or one I have worked for. It is not a deliberate thing, perhaps a subconscious thing. I am not sure. Its just that most of my experience has stemmed from working with other agencies & owning my own, it is hard to relate outside that sphere & still get my message across. I know that at times it comes off as subtle, or maybe not so subtle, advertising & that is not my intent, really.
Truth be told, the number of clients I get from this board is maybe 0.2% of my overall client list. So looking at it that way, if my intent is to gain from the things I write here, I am in effect wasting my time. The guys reading & posting on this board are maybe 2% or less of all the number that are seeking a foreign wife. So if I was to organize a targeted advertising or promotional campaign, as much as I like Dan & this board & all the guys & old friends on it, I would not be getting the results here that I would want to receive for my money. Just FYI, 
As for your original question, yes there are evil people out there, female & male. People who for their own selfish reasons get jealous about the success of others & try to bring them down. A perfect example is the thread you eluded to as well as the other one that was opened specifically to attack me.
There will always be those who are jealous of other peoples success but I believe that if you are of strong convictions & surround yourself with people you love & trust & who love & trust you, nothing they can say or do will ever in reality hurt you. Although they can at times bring on a temporary downer, those around you will see to it that that condition does not remain. Thats why it is so important to find the right partner in life that gives you that strength against all odds to continue & remain strong.
It is not just an RW thing but a people thing that has persisted for thousands of years & I suspect will persist till eternity.

[Darth Vader]

Good post, Richard 

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[Marc Dayton]

by Richard

As for your original question, yes there are evil people out there, female & male. People who for their own selfish reasons get jealous about the success of others & try to bring them down. A perfect example is the thread you eluded to as well as the other one that was opened specifically to attack me.

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By Marc
Don't you get tried of crying, and wishfull thinking the world is Jealous of you. First there is nothing to attack so stop your self serving post.

Sorry Dan.

[Rvrwind]

 

[smartcat]

Darth, sorry to hear that. I can imagine how unpleasant it was for you and your wife. I have got other hypothetic idea explaining the behaviour of the woman in the plane. She was some extremely pushy over your wife and she could follow her own business interests. As far as her husband was a lawyer specializing on divorces, it would be just her "family" business. To find Russian speaking girls and to incline them to divorce- through her husband's help of course and his pocket filled!

 Well, she can get certain success in, especially finding girls while they are in their post-honeymoon period, overcoming first social, cultural and language differences, maybe feeling some homesickness, etc. I guess all married international couples came through that period of adaptation.

Russians often like to poke own nose in the neighbour's sausepan, but not so much pushy as this woman did.

[Darth Vader]

Darth, sorry to hear that. I can imagine how unpleasant it was for you and your wife. I have got other hypothetic idea explaining the behaviour of the woman in the plane. She was some extremely pushy over your wife and she could follow her own business interests. As far as her husband was a lawyer specializing on divorces, it would be just her "family" business. To find Russian speaking girls and to incline them to divorce- through her husband's help of course and his pocket filled!

 Well, she can get certain success in, especially finding girls while they are in their post-honeymoon period, overcoming first social, cultural and language differences, maybe feeling some homesickness, etc. I guess all married international couples came through that period of adaptation.

Russians often like to poke own nose in the neighbour's sausepan, but not so much pushy as this woman did.

Thanks, SmartCat.  Those are great insights, and especially your comment that she can find girls who are not happy because of "post-honeymoon period, overcoming first social, cultural and language differences, maybe feeling some homesickness, etc." and steering them to her lawyer husband.    I had not thought of that angle, but it might be the truth.

Next time my wife flies I hope to go with her and protect her from such "propositions." But in reality, she did quite nicely on her own.

[Rvrwind]

Russians often like to poke own nose in the neighbour's sausepan, but not so much pushy as this woman did.

Smartcat - good insight. Living in Russia for 3 years now I have noticed this on several different levels. But at the same time people make out as though they are minding their own buisness when in reality they are minding everybody elses.
This is not a uniquly Russian trait I suspect as I found the same thing in my little town back home.
Darth I think your lady handled the situation quite admirably. She has a character, a strength that will bode well for her & your future together. In other words big guy - she's a keeper!

[Darth Vader]

Thanks, Richard 

[LenaC]

As we go through life, men or women, there is always something or someone who would try to test our integrity, principles and believes.
The choices that we make in life indicate who we are and what moral and spiritual level we are at. Some people live mere lives(Socrates) taking care only about their physical existence. The other one (very few) truly understand the insignificance of their biological life and taking care about that part of themselves that is not going to die: The SOUL.
 Sadly, money change people not for better.....( who said that lessons we learn in life are easy?)

It takes a morally strong and pure of soul person to withstand materialistic temptations in life.

Dear men,
I am happy for every one who found that kind of woman and wish the best of luck to those who still looking for one.

PS
 Do not forget that the woman you are with is your choice and it is often indicates who you are!!

Sincerely
LenaC

[Darth Vader]

Thank you for your wise words, Lena.

And best wishes to you.

darth

[BillyB]

Darth,

You've been gone for a while but I saw you on Youtube.

[Darth Vader]

Hey Billy!

Yes, YouTube is a great way to get my message out!

As you see, I have NOT quit my day job LOL

[FSUrookie]

Very interesting reading! Good Stuff!