Occupation of your Russian wives

[Elen]

I'm curiouse what were occupations of your new wives in Russia and what do they do now in America?

And if they do work then how long it took to get a new profession?

[Bruno]

About my ex-wife from Russia : she have never work in russia, she was at school... it take around 6 month for her russian diploma will be valid in Belgium... she have try several job but her more long stay was 24 hours... she have never really work in Belgium... since our divorce, she enjoy of our social system who allow money to woman with child... she don't work and earn money from state...

About my new one from Ukraine, she work like sale woman now... see you back in some year for the rest of reply.

[Todd]

Kate is studying for her PhD in French history and philosophy.  Up until a few months ago, she was also teaching English at a private school in Minsk as well as tutoring part time.  When she gets to the US in July, she will have to get her educational creditientals validated, and then, she will likely look for fellowship positions at Boston area institutions so that she can continue with her studies. Of course, that could change when she gets here, but that is the tentative plan right now.

[TigerPaws]

 May lady worked for an Agfa manufacturing facility about 1000km East of Moscow as an industrial engineer in the design of precicion lenses. She quit her job in March of 2000 just before she came to America in April of 2000 and was making the equivalent of about $350.00 USD per month. In the town (she calles it a village) of about 45,000 people this was considered at the time to be a very good well paid job.

 My lady has no further interest in working as we do not need the additional income.

 That is not to say that my lady has no further interest in continuing to learn, recently she has expressed an interest in assisting me with one of my passions, Deep Space Photography and has signed up for a course in advanced photo enhancement. Additionally my lady has enjoyed learning to fly (another of my passions), scuba diving and sailing our boat.

[Jet]

In Russia my wife was a teacher of high school Physics and Astronomy.

After being in America for 14 months she landed a job as a high school teacher of  Algebra and integrated mathmatics and suprisingly was given ful credit for her 7 years of Russian teaching experience which is good for an additional 14% in her salary.

She did work incredibly hard to get where she is, in such a short time. Just over 2 1/2 years ago, she could only speak about 5 words of english .

[jb]

Much the same as Jet's experience, my wife's degree is in math and physics, within 6 months of her arrival she was offered a teaching position at a local private catholic college, and has since expanded this to also teach math and physics at our local community college.

She stays as busy as she wants to be.

[stanb4]

My wife was a music teacher in Ukraine and had some oppertunities to do that here, but the time requirements didn't fit into our lifestyle, as our daughter is in a lot of after school activities. So a friend of ours helped her start her own small property management company, taking care of resort condo rentals and rich folks houses that are only here a few months of the year. Thus she has a flexible schedule, works about 30 hrs a week and takes home $20 an hour after taxes.

How about you Elen, do you work or did you marry a rich guy?

[Elen]

I have two jobs - one on permanent (official)  basis  with a work schedule 2 12 hours work days - 2 days off, taxes and permanent salary  And the second one - in private sector (without taxes and all others permanent things)

[Bruno]

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And the second one - in private sector (without taxes ...
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Now, i understand why russian gouverment have problem for keep the pension system, the free school, the free medical help, ... without tax, so system cannot work...

[Elen]

I see no reasons why I should pay taxes  at my second job as my "lovely" government has all what it wants (and even more) from my first one:P

If seriously our democratic government has done anything for to kill any trust in pension system, health care and education based on support from taxes.)

As for my "conscience" then I sleep well :Das at our second job we leave 20% of income for teachers in schools where we gain our money. It's better way to support our free education.

[Kvinna]

I have two jobs - one on permanent (official)  basis  with a work schedule 2 12 hours work days - 2 days off, taxes and permanent salary  And the second one - in private sector (without taxes and all others permanent things)

very usual for russian women to have several jobs ... I have 3 jobs

lol

[Bruno]

Elena,

I just remember the situation of my ex-wife in russia after her divorce from first man... these man have two job but he have make declaration of the job with more low income... result : he pay almost nothing for his own children and it was difficult for my ex...

Corruption and people who don't pay tax is the big problem of Russia... and it is these lack of honesty who have make your communist system fall... in theory, communisme is a perfect system but only when everybody is honest... and in russia, honesty about money is something who don't exist...

[Elen]

he pay almost nothing for his own children and it was difficult for my ex...

it's common thing here. Russian women are just accustomed to think -"your" children are only your female's problems.

[Bruno]

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it's common thing here. Russian women are just accustomed to think -"your" children are only your female's problems.
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Maybe you have find a new reason why Western man can be attractif for RW... Children !!!

Usually, Western man ( and certainly more the American ) take care about children... You cannot imagine how much law proces each year make ex-man for have some right to visit child... same if it is need to share the expense for the child, the man will stay in contact with own child after divorce...

I have try so law pursuit against my ex-russian wife for co-parental right of her daughter but it was not lucky... because i was not the man who have make the child... i was ready to share all expense... but until she was not adopted by me, i have no right

[Elen]

You cannot imagine how much law proces each year make ex-man for have some right to visit child... same if it is need to share the expense for the child, the man will stay in contact with own child after divorce...

Well there is only one  answer in my Russian female's head - you should think about your children before the divorce (Well how's that close to typical American female's viewpoint:D??)

( Nothing personal to Bruno. It's just stereotype implanted in my brains by Russian statistic ofdivorces)

[jb]

I think that's one stereotype that's absolutely true, American men are well known for their tender feeling towards children, we are just raised that way.  For an example go read the story of the "Candy Bombers" of post WWII during the Berlin airlift.
http://www.cnn.com/US/9805/11/berlin.airlift/
American men just cannot resist helping children.

Yes, we have laws to insure continued support of children in the event of divorce, but those laws are just a relection of our national identity, not something forced upon us.  It is also true we have a few *dead beat dads* out there, but I like to think they are the exception to the rule, not the typical AM walking down main street USA.

In this regard I think the men of the world could learn a thing or two about "family values" from AM.

[Elen]

For an example go read the story of the "Candy Bombers" of post WWII during the Berlin airlift.
http://www.cnn.com/US/9805/11/berlin.airlift/
American men just cannot resist helping children.

And there is a monument to Russian soldier with German girl on his hands in Treptov park:P

And BTW now one "interesting" theme is discussed at russian board- about how russian girls come to America, get pregnant, give a birth to new americsan citizen and after that face a divorce and are sent back to Russia alone without kids as girls still don't have a green card.:?

(some times ago there was even a TV programm about such odd way for American childless couples to get a kid)

[jb]

Are you referring to the woman in Austin,TX?  If so, I've read this story and my wife has talked to that woman. It's a sad story and I hate to think there are many AM who fit that profile.  According to her, he makes in excess of $80K/year, yet claims he cant't afford to file for the AOS for her.

He falls into the catagory of d1ckhead. IMHO.

[Elen]

I didn't remeber particular names . That programm was more than year ago and that time I didn't pay too many attention to such problems (and btw there was not the only one case but a "net" of such "business" ) 

[Bruno]

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you should think about your children before the divorce
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Elena, sometime, it is better a good divorce that stay in a bad marriage... what about child who see parents fight each day at home... if the love don't exist anymore, if living together is become a nightware, a friendly divorce with coparental right is the best solution... the two partner take care of the child, make the important decision together...

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And BTW now one "interesting" theme is discussed at russian board- about how russian girls come to America, get pregnant, give a birth to new americsan citizen and after that face a divorce and are sent back to Russia alone without kids as girls still don't have a green card.
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I don't know the law in US but here, it is not possible... the child have the nationality of father but the mother can stay in Belgium until the child is adult... mother can ask the Belgium nationality after 2 year if she is still married... if she is divorced, the delay is 5 year for a regulation and receive nationality...

In case of divorce without child, the court of justicy make the decision... man ask divorce, she stay... woman ask divorce with fault of man ( aldutery is not a reason of divorce in the Belgium law ), she stay... woman ask divorce without fault of man, she come back to russia...

Is here someone who know the basic law in US, it can be interesting !!!

[Elen]

the two partner take care of the child, make the important decision together...

yeah, yeah!

  They coudn't make civil decisions in their marriage and "suddenly" are able to do that after divorce when new  spouses are staying at back of each other (but  mostly it's only a new wife of a "father")

Any way such theme depends on particular situation. But in Russia mostly bad husband is an equivalent to bad father.

[jb]

Elen,,

 

I didn't remeber particular names . That programm was more than year ago and that time I didn't pay too many attention to such problems (and btw there was not the only one case but a "net" of such "business" )

Get your facts straight before you unleash your attack dog.  Shooting from the hip only makes you look foolish.

[Elen]

 

Get your facts straight before you unleash your attack dog. Shooting from the hip only makes you look foolish.

Are you going to say there IS NOT such problem in RW-AM marriage?? Or should I remeber not only the cases but ALL names of ALL Americans gits as well???

You do know them yourself  better then I do.

Are you referring to the woman in Austin,TX? If so, I've read this story and my wife has talked to that woman. It's a sad story and I hate to think there are many AM who fit that profile. According to her, he makes in excess of $80K/year, yet claims he cant't afford to file for the AOS for her.

[Elen]

That article from Ukraine news-paper (on-line variant) for sombody who  considers any information  as bull s888 if no concrete names were mentioned. Enjoy, boys.

Let ask your wives to translate that for you as I'm not going to waste my time on you anymore Like they say here Не стоит метать бисер перед свиньями

Суррогатные матери на экспорт (Substitute mother for export)


Для многих наших соотечественниц, особенно живущих в экономически бедных регионах Украины, возможность выйти замуж за иностранца и уехать с ним в западную страну- как бы билет в красивую, сытую жизнь, которой они лишены у себя на родине. Они даже не подозревают, что он может стать билетом на тот свет. А сказка о любви "заграничного принца" и украинской красавицы часто превращается в трагедию, как для самой женщины, так и для ребенка, рожденного от такого "счастливого" брака.

    Лоно напрокат
22-летняя уроженка Кировоградской области Ростислава С. обратилась в брачное агентство, воодушевившись примером своей приятельницы Ольги, которая успешно вышла замуж за улыбчивого, симпатичного немца. Заполняя анкету, девушка вспоминала, каким милым и обходительным показался ей Ольгин избранник. Как трепетно он мыл посуду, помогал готовить украинский борщ и жарил котлеты, чтобы провести с любимой как можно больше времени. "Вот мне бы такого заботливого!" - мечтала Ростислава.
Модель семейного счастья ей виделась так: уютный большой дом, по которому с шумом и криками, сбивая друг друга с ног, будут носиться симпатичные детишки. Ей очень хотелось родить как можно больше детей, поскольку, как учила Ростиславу мама, дети цементируют семью, следовательно, нужно заложить по возможности прочный фундамент семейного благополучия.
Видимо, поэтому она, не колеблясь ни минуты, согласилась поехать в гости к преуспевающему американскому бизнесмену, который в первом же письме предложил ей руку и сердце, трогательно расписав, как сильно он любит детей и мечтает их иметь. Тем более что избранник прислал Ростиславе деньги на дорожные расходы. Не зная ни языка, ни законов страны, где жил потенциальный жених, словно в тумане, Ростислава оформила документы и по гостевой визе выехала в США. 
- Вместе с Ником в доме жили его мать и родной брат, - вспоминает девушка. - Их поведение сразу показалось мне странным. Они как-то натянуто улыбались, а, общаясь между собой исключительно на английском, многозначительно переглядывались. А вот Ник, напротив, был очень мил, правда, он не слишком хорошо знал русский, поэтому разговаривали мы мало .В любви он мне объяснился очень бурно, подарил обручальное кольцо и предложил остаться жить в США.
А еще я по его просьбе подписывала какие-то документы на английском языке, правда, законного брака мы не заключили = Ник объяснил мне, что брачная процедура сопряжена со множеством формальностей. � остислава не догадывалась, что после того как срок, на который была оформлена ее гостевая виза, закончился, она находилась на территории Америки нелегально. Она безоглядно влюбилась в будущего мужа и вскоре от него забеременела.
� одив Нику сына, Ростислава, наконец, узнала, что он даже не собирался на ней жениться, поскольку у него давно есть другая законная супруга "Я узнала эту новость в больнице, когда попросила показать ребенка, - говорит Ростислава. = Мне ответили, что моего сына забрали домой его отец и мать. Позднее я выяснила, что жена Ника, с которой он жил вместе уже десять лет, бесплодна. Но она наотрез отказалась от усыновления, потому что очень хотела воспитывать ребенка своего мужа.
Вот меня и решили использовать в качестве бесплатной суррогатной матери. Когда я попыталась отобрать у обманщиков своего сына, Ник показал подписанные мною бумаги, в которых был грамотно оформлен мой добровольный отказ от ребенка. А меня как нелегалку несостоявшийся муж сдал властям для депортации из страны. Вернувшись в Украину, я несколько раз всерьез подумывала о самоубийстве, поскольку поняла, что никогда не смогу увидеть ребенка, которого любя, вынашивала девять месяцев.
Не смогу взять его на руки, обнять, приголубить. Иногда по ночам мне снится улыбающееся личико мальчугана с зелеными глазами. Такими же, как у меня° Заложницы скромности Как рассказала корреспонденту °ВВ° юрист Женского консорциума Украины Елена Кустова, ситуация в которой оказалась героиня этой истории, = отнюдь не редкость. В последние годы украинских женщин довольно умело используют в качестве суррогатных матерей  бездетные иностранные пары
Объясняется это тем, что во многих западных странах процедура искусственного оплодотворения стоит очень дорого. Куда дешевле использовать напрокат тело украинской женщины, которой зачастую не нужно выплачивать даже компенсацию. Достаточно взять на себя дорожные расходы, оформление ее загранпаспорта и визы.
= В таких ситуациях мужчина-иностранец, помещая информацию на сайте брачного фгентства , объявляет себя холостяком, = рассказывает Елена Кустова. = Проверить, женат ли он в настоящее время практически невозможно. Поэтому зачастую такие  "холостяки" с легкостью предлагают особенно недоверчивым украинским красавицам зарегистрировать брак на территории Украины. Но потом как бы забывают легализовать свидетельство о браке у себя в стране. А пока документ не легализован, он не имеет юридической силы.
К сожалению, наши женщины не только едут за рубеж, не зная иностранных языков, но еще и стесняются попросить, чтобы им перевели документы, которые предлагают подписать женихи, на русский или украинский язык. Они, по сути, становятся заложницами своей скромности. Выносив и родив ребенка, они неожиданно узнают правду. В лучшем случае они возвращаются в Украину. Но случаются еще более трагические развязки.
Иногда они погибают в результате хорошо спланированного "несчастного случая", если новоявленный супруг успел их застраховать и не прочь получить страховую выплату. Татьяна БОДНЯ "Вечерние вести"

 

So if sombody wants another proves and criminal cases with real names let ask Елена Кустова - a lawyer from Women's consortium at Ukraine

[Vaughn]

jb,

   Thanks for the Berlin Airlift link - Gail Halvorsen was my Base Commander in West Berlin in the 70's. He was one helluva great role model for many of us airmen.

Elen,

   I'm beginning to feel pity for you. Referring to the members of this list as a pack of pigs certainly reveals much about your attitude. To focus on splinter-group mentality and isolated cases, while condemning the lot of us - just what made you so cynical in life?

Vaughn