I wonder...

[TheArrow]

Sorry for the title of this topic (I am new here). But I really wonder...

I have read many posts here. I have read many articles about Russian women on the Net ... Sometimes I was shocked of what I have read, sometimes I laughed loudly.... But I wonder all the time - why are many men from abroad are seeking Russian women to marry, eh...?

With a great respect to all members of this forum

The Arrow

[Elen]

I have not idea

   Russian woman

[acrzybear]

Fantasy or perhaps trying to relive their youth when the parents had difinitive roles in the household and times were more simple.  Most of the posts (from American men) have the common thread of being disatisfied with American womens attitude.

This is just my observation, but having never been married I wouldn't know.

[Bruno]

In very short...

For the old man, find a young woman ready to build a family... for the young man, find a young woman ready to build a family... several of our woman begin think about child when they reach 35 year old...

Now, why russian ? Because you can find a lot of them on Internet... Asian was the mode before, Africa is not bad but some people don't like black color...

In my case, i have begin enough late my search for a wife... i have know russia before these quest and i have search very large... a woman from other place that russia was welcome too... the problem is that several western woman don't wish marry, ... dating is enough... sometime short time relation ship... myself, i believe that life together with a woman for all life is possible... my first marriage with russian was a misluck but it change nothing... i have learn to appreciate some quality that i don't find in the western woman... my top priority now, it is a good mother... and russian woman are good mother...

[BC]

... But I wonder all the time - why are many men from abroad are seeking Russian women to marry, eh...?

The Arrow

Arrow,

Biggest factors IMHO:

RW are mostly caucasian vs Hispanic/Oriental or other origins/colours that might not 'fit in' with family and friends.  

The whole RW thing is a bit of a 'fad'.

RW are 'percieved' by many men as coming from an economically depressed conditions which makes them easier to be 'acquired' (for lack of a better word).. Total BS in my book.. A very well off man can have good 'luck' finding a mate in other western countries within the same age group, whereas a 'normal' wage earner in the US or elsewhere thinks he can 'squeeze in' with a much younger more beautiful FSU woman.

[Bruce]

I agree with BC's number 1 - Caucasian, so they can easily fit in with the family.

2.  RW actually want and expect children in their life.

3.  A high percentage of RW are realistic in sacrifices a woman must make in order to have a family ie. younger, not waking up at age 35 and saying oh, I need to start finding a husband now.

4.  ***A guy can find a younger, prettier just as intelligent girl in the FSU than he can back home because FSU woman are more realistic in their expectations than AW.

5.  FSU is an interesting place to visit for the single guy ie. lots to see, lots of differences than back home, lots of scenery, lots of culture as well as good shows, drinking, gambling available etc. if that is what appeals to the guy- so the guys will go and have fun regardless of if they meet or not.  Notice that most guys are not going in the winter. 

[ukguy]

I agree with what most have said. My own view is that women here in England have changed so much other the years. They no longer seek marriage and a family the way it should be. All the girls here are out drinking and bitching all the time. It's very hard to meet a decent woman who wants to settle down and have a family and do family things together.

I guess i've played the field enough and need to settle down, others my age still party every night and end up drunk or worse using drugs. Not for me.

Rich

[BC]

Ukguy,

Funny you mention the UK situation..

Last time I checked immigration status sites there were an awful lot of American women importing UK men..

LOL.. screwy world ain't it~

[TheArrow]

Well, guys.......... I was the member of one dating site. But I browsed and read female profiles there, too. What did western women write in their profile........? They wrote they were seeking honest, faithful, kind men who must be ready to commit. But the same time western men wrote the same in theirs. Hmmmmmm...... What a strange thing...

Americans talk alot about family value but in real The Institute of Marriage doesn't exist in real there. If I am wrong stating this - correct me, please, then.

I am aka the flying arrow. But there is no evil in my heart.

[KenC]

 But I wonder all the time - why are many men from abroad are seeking Russian women to marry, eh...?


The Arrow

While everyone has their own story, as do I, experiencing RW as opposed to AW one big difference becomes rather apparent : femininity.  AW have lost their way on being women.  The feminist movement here has paved the way for women to become more man like.  The RW that I have met love being women, whereas AW look upon femininity as a weakness.  AW would rather compete with men than "use their womanly ways" to get what they want.  Aw are not alone in their blame for such a state in our society.  We AM have to shoulder some of this too, because we kept accepting women that behaved in such ways.

For a long time, RW were the best kept secrete in the world or at least in the United States.  Never before did most AM think that RW were sexy, feminine, educated or classy.  I remember when my wife first came to America, I warned her that she would stun amny Americans.  In our minds, a RW was a 250 lb babushka, in a sun dress, digging potatoes in a field.  No sooner did those words leave my mouth, did a story about Ukraine come on CNN.  The stock film they used for their story showed and overweight woman with a scarf on her head with missing teeth serving a plate of potatoes!

In short, the "cat is now out of the bag" and a viable alternative to American women has been identified!  Let us not forget that the Internet has really made this all too possible.

KenC

[Todd]

To address your original question, "Why RW?"....

For me, it was more a decision of deciding that I wanted to visit Russia.  When I go on solo trips, I prefer to go to places that I can blend in.  The FSU is one of the few places that I haven't been yet where I meet that criteria.  However, the FSU is actually still a really hard place to be a tourist outside of a few large cities.  Thus, I needed a tour guide.    So, I placed an ad looking for someone who would like to show me her country with a requirement that she be fluent in English.  The person that I picked to go visit was the one that I most enjoyed talking and writing with.  I felt very comfortable knowing that we would be able to spend some time together.  While we flirted a bit prior to my coming, both of us are far too pragmatic to take it as anything more than that.  She was an excellent guide btw.  So good, I had to go back to visit another part of the FSU with her.  (Well, on that trip, I DID have an ulterior motive.)

[Bruno]

Dan wrote :


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One of the things that jumped out at me was the difference between morality in the American women I had known and the women from Ukraine I met.

My ex-wife (AW) once told me she had "more than 30 lovers, I lost track of the actual number." As we married when she was in her early 20's, doing the math suggests she was very promiscuous prior to our marriage. Who knows what happened during the course of our marriage - but there is certainly a reason she is my *ex* wife (actually, more than one reason).

Contrast that to the fact I met several women the age of my ex-wife at marriage, and they claimed they were still virgins (and I believe them).

While it is impossible to say that *ALL* RW are one way or *ALL* AW are another, it is fair to say that the women I met in Ukraine had, on balance, a much greater sense of morality than some of the AW I have known.
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I am maybe the exception who confirm the rule... during my marriage with a russian woman, she have know several adventure with other man... Each time, it was for try have a more high social position ( VIP man, boss, her psy, one of my best friend who was one of the organisator of miss beauty Belgium... )... And she have find this normal... after our divorce, she have explain me that she have use these man and that she have always stay with me... of course, she was very young when i have marry her and our difference of age was high ( more of ten year )... i can find the good morality in RW around 30 year old... the young one are almost like our western woman...

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Well, guys.......... I was the member of one dating site. But I browsed and read female profiles there, too. What did western women write in their profile........? They wrote they were seeking honest, faithful, kind men who must be ready to commit. But the same time western men wrote the same in theirs. Hmmmmmm...... What a strange thing...

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Not so strange usually, profil and introduction letter follow a standart model... for really know someone, you need write more of meet the person... the meeting allow to have a meaning in one day but is more expensive... letter need more time but are cheap... usually, people with enough money use tour for meet several woman in one time and search the right one... people with medium income try to make some selection by letter before make a meeting... no one solution is bad of good, it is only two different way... in anycase, a profil don't allow you to know a lot about the person herself... Find a lifepartner is more complex that only some word in a profile...

[Elen]

Well, guys.......... I was the member of one dating site. But I browsed and read female profiles there, too. What did western women write in their profile........? They wrote they were seeking honest, faithful, kind men who must be ready to commit. But the same time western men wrote the same in theirs. Hmmmmmm...... What a strange thing...

And Eastern women just cut and past  citations from Western women's profiles into thier wons (no kidding:D It's true)

[Bruce]

Arrow / Elen, remember that the majority of dating sites are supplying the pictures, the photos and the letters, so to give credence to anything on them is a huge mistake.

[Elen]

Arrow / Elen, remember that the majority of dating sites are supplying the pictures, the photos and the letters, so to give credence to anything on them is a huge mistake

 

The same for you, guys And you have more "strong" tendention to fall in hell-know -what only with photos and profiles written with a help of stolen phrases:P

[Kvinna]

The same for you, guys And you have more "strong" tendention to fall in hell-know -what only with photos and profiles written with a help of stolen phrases:P

 

Don't agree with you, they don't read any profiles, onli drool at pretty pictures

[Albert]

WM are attracted to women from the FSU because desireable ones are AVAILABLE.

A FSU woman of a given age, education, facial looks, and body looks is more AVAILABLE to the WM than is the case with a WW of the same characteristics.

Why is the FSU woman with the same characteristics as a WW more AVAILABLE to a WM?  It is ECONOMICS stupid.

Once the economic situation of the FSU man equals the economic situation of the WM, then WM will no longer be able to aspire to a FSU woman who exceeds the characteristics available in a given WW.

Yes, the WM will still be attracted to the FSU women, but their chances to trade up as they do now will drop dramatically.

[Albert]

And, I must respectfully disagree with our leader Dan.  I have found that the sexual experience of FSU women far exceeds that of WW for any give age.  My 'success' rate with WW is about 30% by the third date whereas it is about 70% by the third date with FSU women.

But I actually do not fault the FSU women and do not call them immoral because of this.  Rather, I attribute this difference to the fact that FSU women are just  more sexual.  I celebrate this fact rather than condem it.  FSU women just seem to enjoy being women which includes being feminine and sexual.  They want to give pleasure to their men, and they want to enjoy the pleasure themselves also.  They play far fewer 'games' than do WW regarding sex.

From the mouths of FSU women come the wonderful words, "I want you."  Very rarely have I heard these words from WW, even though the WW will have sex.  It is great to hear the 'I want you words.'  Or alternatively, the FSU woman will say, "I am going to take a shower."  Again, great words to hear.

[TheArrow]

Russian women, American women... Western women, Eastern women...

I think, all depends on person. And it doesn't matter what nationaly this person is.

But if I want to visit any country which is new to me I will do that with a tourist group from my country instead of looking for somebody from that country being the member of any dating site. And I will never think about any reserved variants (I hope, you all understand what I mean).

But if I join any dating site it means I am seeking A MAN, A PERSON and not the country for living. Coz I do know what kind of person my Mister Right must be.

Simply put, as Russian say - never mix the tourist trip and the place for immigration (I remembered the old Russian anecdote, sorry). If somebody is interested I can post this anecdote here.

[in_phoenix]

Haha!  American Women.  First I'll say I have not totally given up on them but I'm pretty damn close.  Ok they say that they want marriage and a commitment but they lie.  Most are after someone with money.  The balance are after someone with good looks.  If you have neither then you are stuck.  I have meet a few woman here who can not make a commitment either.  I also know a few woman that sleep with a bunch of guys because of there looks or money in hopes of securing guys.  Most american women are too interested in their careers, so less and less really want to start a family.  Most american women couldn't spot a great guy in front of them.  I know because I'm a really great guy!

I'm looking for a woman that I can have a life time bond with.  Someone that I would love coming home to after a day at the office.  I really want that special loving bond and to be quit honest here, I just have not found that with american woman.....yet.

Sure Scottsdale and Phoenix have a lot of nice looking women here, just ask Photo Guy, I'm sure he can back me up here but the attitudes are just brutal.

[TheArrow]

Well said, [user=258]in_phoenix[/user].

But I have a question.

Is that bad if woman has a good stable relationship and a good career the same time?

Is that bad if she thinks about work being at work? Is that bad if she thinks about her man when she is at home?

I think, if woman CAN combine these 2 subjects without mixing them - it's Okay then.

[TigerPaws]

Well said, [user=258]in_phoenix[/user].

But I have a question.

Is that bad if woman has a good stable relationship and a good career the same time? Sorry but the two are incompatible, if the woman has a sucessful career then she ill not have the time or energy needed to maintain a good relationship.

Is that bad if she thinks about work being at work? Is that bad if she thinks about her man when she is at home?

I think, if woman CAN combine these 2 subjects without mixing them - it's Okay then. You have been indoctrinated by the feminist movement and the popular media that a woman can have it all, career, children and a happy fulfilling relationship. This is totally false something has to give and it is usually the children, family and relationship in favor of the career.

[TheArrow]

TigerPaws, do not be too sceptical.

Different countries - different views. One of my friends is happily married and has a good job. And she combines these 2 things well. She earns money HERSELF and has time to be in the family. Coz she FORGETS about her job being at home with her family. And she thinks about WORK being at WORK.

[Elen]

You have been indoctrinated by the feminist movement and the popular media that a woman can have it all, career, children and a happy fulfilling relationship. This is totally false something has to give and it is usually the children, family and relationship in favor of the career.

It seems the time for me to start one more fight of two stubborns on 16 pages. But this time it's my turn give out an examples about my own private life and life of my female friends from the University:D[/size][/color][/font]

[TheArrow]

Well said, [user=258]in_phoenix[/user].

But I have a question.

Is that bad if woman has a good stable relationship and a good career the same time? Sorry but the two are incompatible, if the woman has a sucessful career then she ill not have the time or energy needed to maintain a good relationship.

Is that bad if she thinks about work being at work? Is that bad if she thinks about her man when she is at home?

I think, if woman CAN combine these 2 subjects without mixing them - it's Okay then. You have been indoctrinated by the feminist movement and the popular media that a woman can have it all, career, children and a happy fulfilling relationship. This is totally false something has to give and it is usually the children, family and relationship in favor of the career.

[/quote]Do not mix Russian women up with American feminists. American feminists burnt their bras on the squares in big cities to prove their equality with men (must I remind when feminist movement started and where, eh? Russian women would never do that.