I wonder...

[in_phoenix]

Arrow,

It is possible for a american woman to have a good career, but Tiger Paw is right, usually something suffers for it.  I'm not saying that women should be chained to the kitchen stove.  I would say that a lot of American women also use guys to get where they want and better their own status.  A lot of American women are superficial.  If you have a nice personality and are a nice person, expect that to rank thrid behind money and looks.  Sometimes it is so hard to talk to a woman here in America.  If they are not physically attracted to you then for get having a conversation out of the blue.

[Bruno]

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Sorry but the two are incompatible, if the woman has a sucessful career then she ill not have the time or energy needed to maintain a good relationship.
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Maybe in US... but what about russia... since the begin of communisme in russia, woman have know the same right that man and have reach high post in the society... from a long time ago, russian woman are able to combinate sucessful career and good relationship...

Maybe you need send your AW in russia, she can learn what are real feminist ( not the extremist one ) and how have a sucessful career and relationship...

If man are able to have a career and relationship... why not woman... of maybe you think that woman are inferior to man !!!

[Fiorella]

American woman and career? Mmmm. I have read lot of times on forums of russian wives and fiancees how these ex-wives of their american husbands want only to get all possible from him, his money, his cars, his house, support for her, support for kids, and don't have any intentions to go to work. And how little get new russian-american family after all payments to ex. May be some women want career but I doubt that so many. And it is when during centuries russian women worked same as men, and in kommunist times russian was equal to men (in real often having higher level of education). It is only last years women begin to to think about stay at home. But again it is not common.

[in_phoenix]

American woman and career? Mmmm. I have read lot of times on forums of russian wives and fiancees how these ex-wives of their american husbands want only to get all possible from him, his money, his cars, his house, support for her, support for kids, and don't have any intentions to go to work. And how little get new russian-american family after all payments to ex. May be some women want career but I doubt that so many. And it is when during centuries russian women worked same as men, and in kommunist times russian was equal to men (in real often having higher level of education). It is only last years women begin to to think about stay at home. But again it is not common.

 

I have to also agree with you on this point.  A lot of women want to get a guy then sit home and do nothing.  I know that one first hand.  I was married to a woman that did this too me.  She had two kids as well.  When I first met her she had a job and living with her mom.  We moved in together into an apartment.  Shortly (and I me like a week or two) after we married she quit her job and had one excuse or another why she could not get another.

[groovlstk]

I recently began writing and phoning a woman from Dnepro whom I plan to meet in a few weeks. Here's an example of why getting to know her is so much more gratifying and natural than doing the same w/an AW (and, by the way, this is not the first FSU woman I've met who is like this): When I phone her, she's so excited to hear from me that for the first minute or two she babbles on and on and I can hardly understand her (normally) very good English. She doesn't hold anything back, and it's so refreshing not to have to constantly calculate boundaries and pass a succession of tests, which is a given in a new relationship with an AW. Can you imagine meeting an AW and having her open up to you like that within the first few weeks of a relationship? It doesn't happen... women here are too calculating, too cynical. I'm not going to argue that AW don't have good reasons for acting like this, only that it's wonderful not to have to deal with it.

[Fiorella]

Ask yourself - would she be same excited if you would be RUSSIAN/UKRAINIAN man?

[TheArrow]

Ask yourself - would she be same excited if you would be RUSSIAN/UKRAINIAN man?

Exactly, Fiorella. I agree with you. It's kinda GREAT HONOUR to talk to foreign man when you are living in a deep provincial place. Ah, he called me. Ah, he sends me e-mails every day.

Sorry for my sarcasm but Fiorella is RIGHT. Most of Russian women are like American women - do not have enough money - move on, do not want to do something - get lost and etc...

[Photo Guy]

Sorry for the title of this topic (I am new here). But I really wonder...
I have read many posts here. I have read many articles about Russian women on the Net ... Sometimes I was shocked of what I have read, sometimes I laughed loudly.... But I wonder all the time - why are many men from abroad are seeking Russian women to marry, eh...?
With a great respect to all members of this forum
The Arrow

I want a RW because the political discussions would be exciting.
Actually the first thing that comes to mind, is that the word has spread from men who have already married RW or UW. They tell us that a relationship with those women, is better than with AW. I believe that those women appreciate things like family, food, shelter, and economic stability, more than AW do.  Many AW do not know what they want in life. Feminism has had good and bad effects. Women are able to attain higher positions in the work force, than they can in the former Soviet Union, according to what I have read. That's a good effect of feminism. For about twenty years, from
1970 to 1990, many women thought or were led to believe that
being a house wife was a position of lower status, compared with
the status of being a career woman. At the same time, economic
conditions forced both the husband and wife to work, to be able
to afford a larger nicer home, along with nicer cars, furniture, etc.
There is still that split: Should a woman choose to be a 'family
woman' (house wife) or should she be a career woman? When the
children become older, many women choose to work or return to a career they had abandoned when they had children. Maybe the struggle between family life and career life also exists now in the FSU?
If an American woman were to say that they wanted to have
a 'cozy home', her friends would laugh at her. A RW/UW feels
comfortable expressing that idea. RW and UW seem to embrace
their own femininity more than AW, who for years were told that
they were just like men, except with different anatomical differences. Maybe that was also true with the FSU's 'comrad' mentality?
Are RW/UW more comfortable with their femininity?

For me, there is also the sense of adventure about learning about a
foreign culture. Who are these exotic creatures? Larisa wants to
lean on my strong shoulder. Is she just telling me something that
I would like to hear? An AW would not ever say that, because an AW wants to be strong and NOT dependent on someone for strength and security. Yes, that is a generalization, but AM understand me.   Doug

[TheArrow]

[user=134]Photo Guy[/user] wrote:

"Are RW/UW more comfortable with their femininity?" - Fer sho, Doug.

For example, if I am in the bar and a man tells me - you are so beautifull. I WILL NOT take that as a kind of harassment (the favorite word of AW, lol). He doesn't make any dirty hints he just says about my beauty. But AW would start screaming or something like that. There is the main difference between RW and AW. RW accept things as they are. But this doesn't mean that we are not able to defend ourselves.

"Is she just telling me something that I would like to hear? An AW would not ever say that, because an AW wants to be strong and NOT dependent on someone for strength and security. Yes, that is a generalization, but AM understand me."

- All want to be independent (in a good sense, of course). Strong RW doesn't mean she is not feminine. Strong woman means she will think about the solving any problem instead of creating hysterics at home. Strong RW is not afraid of saying what she has in her mind. Is that bad, eh?

If you prefer to hear what you wanna hear - hmmmmm... Once there will be the day when you tell her - Shut up, I have heard that many times.

[Photo Guy]

Russian women, American women... Western women, Eastern women...

But if I join any dating site it means I am seeking A MAN, A PERSON and not the country for living. Coz I do know what kind of person my Mister Right must be.

But, according to Albert's theory, you would want a foreign man
to improve your economic/financial situation. True?
Is it true RM/UM are somehow undesirable? Do RW/UW have a general favorable opinion of AM/WM, or is it just economics?  Doug

[Photo Guy]

[user=134]Photo Guy[/user] wrote:

"Are RW/UW more comfortable with their femininity?" - Fer sho, Doug.

For example, if I am in the bar and a man tells me - you are so beautifull. I WILL NOT take that as a kind of harassment (the favorite word of AW, lol). He doesn't make any dirty hints he just says about my beauty. But AW would start screaming or something like that. There is the main difference between RW and AW. RW accept things as they are. But this doesn't mean that we are not able to defend ourselves.

- All want to be independent (in a good sense, of course). Strong RW doesn't mean she is not feminine. Strong woman means she will think about the solving any problem instead of creating hysterics at home. Strong RW is not afraid of saying what she has in her mind. Is that bad, eh?

If you prefer to hear what you wanna hear - hmmmmm... Once there will be the day when you tell her - Shut up, I have heard that many times.

I like your bar example. Yes, that is my impression of the difference between AW and RW. As far as a woman saying what is on her mind, I think that is desirable. I would like a woman who speak in many different forms: directly, seductively, humorously, meekly, boldly, shyly, and most of all, clearly. She can lean on my shoulder
and soothingly ask me to take out the garbage.     Doug

[Elen]

Larisa wants to lean on my strong shoulder.

 

Are you sure she doesn't want to hung by your neck?

[Photo Guy]

Ask yourself - would she be same excited if you would be RUSSIAN/UKRAINIAN man?

Fiorella,
Why are you with a foreign man? Why did you choose him?  Doug

[TheArrow]

Larisa wants to lean on my strong shoulder.

 

Are you sure she doesn't want to hung by your neck?
[/quote]Well said, Elen. If he marry her - she WILL sit on his neck for about a year or more - adaptational period.

[Photo Guy]

Larisa wants to lean on my strong shoulder.

 Are you sure she doesn't want to hung by your neck?
[/quote]

Of course not! I am so lovable. It will be years before we talk about politics. Maybe never. I will be careful. I will be romantic. When she leans on my shoulder, I will whisper in her ear. She will feel my warm breath on her neck. I will eat a breath mint.        :cool:     Doug

[TheArrow]

[user=134]Photo Guy[/user] wrote:

Of course not! I am so lovable. It will be years before we will talk about politics. I will be careful. I will be romantic. When she leans on my shoulder, I will whisper in her ear.... :cool: Doug

I will keep my fingers crossed.

A short question - Does Larisa know about this forum, eh?

[Photo Guy]

Larisa wants to lean on my strong shoulder.

 

Are you sure she doesn't want to hung by your neck?
[/quote]Well said, Elen. If he marry her - she WILL sit on his neck for about a year or more - adaptational period. [/quote]
Neck, ...or face?    Doug

[Photo Guy]

A short question - Does Larisa know about this forum, eh?

Oh God. I hope not! I don't want her to know the 'real' me!:shock:
:D:D   Doug

[TheArrow]

[user=134]Photo Guy[/user] wrote:

Larisa wants to lean on my strong shoulder.

Are you sure she doesn't want to hung by your neck?

Well said, Elen. If he marry her - she WILL sit on his neck for about a year or more - adaptational period. [/quote]
That can be an exciting position. Doug[/quote]
A good sense of humour helps us to survive when we have bad times, lol. Or maybe it's kinda self-defence for you, Doug?

[Elen]

Of course not! I am so lovable. It will be years before we talk about politics. Maybe never.

I do know:D She prefers to talk about long finger nails:P as you told us

 

[Photo Guy]

Things are not so bad. How are you doing? What is life without humor?  I won't live in a dark place.
   :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D     Doug

[Photo Guy]

Of course not! I am so lovable. It will be years before we talk about politics. Maybe never.

I do know:D She prefers to talk about long finger nails:P as you told us
[/quote]
Fingernails? Yes, she has used her feminine techniques of seduction to trap me in her spider web.  Doug

[TheArrow]

[user=134]Photo Guy[/user] wrote:

Things are not so bad. How are you doing? What is life without humor? I won't live in a dark place.
:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D Doug

I am Ok, thanks.

But I think, if you were Ok and sure in your RW you wouldn't discuss your relationship with her on this forum. LOL

[Elen]

If seriuos Photo Guy do you have any in common to talk with her?

[TheArrow]

If seriuos Photo Guy do you have any in common to talk with her?

Yeah, he has. Definitely. They are talking about manicure preferences.