Introduction and Request

[Gator]

Disclaimer:  I mentioned the study only for the purposes of helping Ada, who seemingly is planning a similar undertaking.  I am not claiming the study is true, and I could not without seeing the data and reading peer reviews.  Even if true, the findings are preliminary.  However, I do find the study believable based on five “soft” observations:

1.  The information is presented in a scholarly style.
2.  Chester did log on to RWG one day and answered several questions; his responses made me feel more confident about the science behind his preliminary findings. 
3.  Based on some information presented by Chester in that Q&A posting, I was able to do some “back of the envelope” calculations and none raised any questions.
4.  I trust CG based on having read his posts over three years and having had a long talk with him.  CG said he corresponded both with Chester (or someone purporting to be Chester) and with a reference for Chester (and that reference had been verified by a well known participant in the “RW romance society”).
5.  The findings seem to be in the ball park of what I would expect, although more pessimistic than I would have ever guessed.

Whether the Chester Arthur study is to be believed is up to the individual.  If you believe it, you will not stop chasing RW; however, you will take the necessary time to know your woman.  If you do not believe the study, you should have no concern about marrying a RW however brief the courtship.

One fact that casts doubt on the study is that it seemingly vaporized.

JB,
I am not involved with the debate between you and CG.  I "love" you both and would consider you good neighbors (even though you would probably not feel the same after being subjected to the noise from my son's parties).  You raised a point and I simply made the effort to check with my source of the study information.

[jb]

JB,
I am not involved with the debate between you and CG. 

There is no debate between us.  CG has been around these boards almost as long as I have, he has made numerous excursions to the FSU without ever finding a woman, (that I know of), who has filled the wife vacancy for him.  Personally, I don't understand that.  If he is indeed the marrying kind, I'd have thought he'd have settled on a woman by now.  He does however, like to hand out advice and criticisms (mostly criticisms) about the process without having walked a mile in those shoes himself.  Which I view as slightly hypocritical.

CameraGuy is the antithesis of our PhotoGuy, however, both have one thing in common.  They haven't done it right themselves, but are quick to tell everyone else that we don't know what we are talking about. 

Hallelujah brothers ~!

[Cameraguy]

I've never given marriage advice, don't talk about things I don't know about and I sure wouldn't make up stuff just to advance an agenda or sound all-knowing.

Oh yeah, one more thing -- I'm not about to "settle" on any woman, even if I remain single the rest of my life.

~CG

[KenC]

CG,
Are you even looking for a wife?
KenC

[Cameraguy]

Hi Ken,

Kinda getting O/T here, but I was close to an engagement with a UW last year. Things ultimately didn't work out, but it wasn't really anyone's fault. Just some basic differences in attitudes and priorities which were further exacerbated by cultural and communication difficulties. This is the second time that language difficulties were a significant factor, so I'm no longer interested in any relationship that requires an interpreter. Thanks for asking.

~CG 

[KenC]

CG,
Sorry to hear things didn't work out for you.  I never can understand how you guys can get far enough along in a relationship with a woman you cannot speak the same language.  I had a difficult time with Lena and she spoke decent English.  Hell, somedays now I think we are still speaking different languages!  And it has been 8 years!
Do you have any trips planned?
KenC

[Cameraguy]

Yeah, but I'm taking a break from the Rodina and Ukraine devushki. Getting a little jaded from some of the "traditional, family-oriented" attitudes I've been encountering recently. Time to search new pastures.

~CG

[Mir]

CameraGuy is the antithesis of our PhotoGuy, however, both have one thing in common.  They haven't done it right themselves

I don’t know that much about these two yet but from reading some of their posts the thing common between them is that they have both tried to have relationship with the help of interpreters, something I can never understand.
The photo G even had a woman living with him in US for 3 months and it looks like he still needs to talk with her through an interpreter, totally weird!!

[KenC]

Yeah, but I'm taking a break from the Rodina and Ukraine devushki. Getting a little jaded from some of the "traditional, family-oriented" attitudes I've been encountering recently. Time to search new pastures.

~CG

Where you going?
KenC

[BC]

Yeah Mir, seems anyone using a nickname with suffix 'guy' is headed for trouble.  Wonder what's going on here...

[Bruce]

It sounds to me like CG has to take a good hard look in the mirror, figure out where he is, where he has been, what he has to offer, reassess his strengths and weaknesses carefully, clean up any issues he may have and figure out why he is being so picky.  Too picky and expecially unrealistic pickiness could lead to nothing and perhaps that is his problem.  In any event, good to see you contributing CG.  Best of luck.

[Gator]

Cameraguy is doing just fine and enjoying life.  He has game!  Just because he is not engaged to a RW does not mean he lacks for female companionship.  That goes for more than one person here.

[Cameraguy]

Thanks, Gator -- amazing how a few sentence response brings out the relationship and psychoanalysis wolves, who immediately start growling their conclusions and "diagnoses!"

This thread isn't about me. Wonder what's going on here...

~CG

[Bruce]

Sorry to come accross as a psychobable creature CG.  I was just trying to help like I would any contributory board member  . 

[BillyB]

Thanks, Gator -- amazing how a few sentence response brings out the relationship and psychoanalysis wolves, who immediately start growling their conclusions and "diagnoses!"

This thread isn't about me. Wonder what's going on here...

~CG

CG,

When nobody is trying to help you, that's when you need to worry. Some of these guys have known you so long they want to see you find that special gal and they're coming out of the woodwork to give their two cents because they love and care about you in a non-homo kind of way.

[jb]

When nobody is trying to help you, that's when you need to worry. Some of these guys have known you so long they want to see you find that special gal and they're coming out of the woodwork to give their two cents because they love and care about you in a non-homo kind of way.

Oh, please, Billy, don't go there.

You don't know CG like I know CG. 

[Cameraguy]

That's right, Billy, even though you and I have had many off-board conversations while jb and I have had none, he knows ALL.

What jb really "knows" is how much he hates it when anyone calls him on his BS.

I'm outta here -- will someone please put this thread out of it's misery?

~CG

[BillyB]

I will state for the record, that even though I have had many disputes with CG over world affairs and politics over the past two years in public, behind the scenes I found him being a man with a genuinely good heart.

I find some of the others here, who may have issues with CG, having a good heart too. Most of you guys are genuinely trying to help people in this endeavor and that should be recognized by others and each other. I think there are a lot worse people out there that we need to worry about.

[Bruno]

Ada, you seek information over the "MOB" business... but you perfectly see in these topic that some of the people involved in these process don't care about informations.... the only pleasure is fight each other... and of course, when you will report that the guys using the MOB system are looser, they will say that outsider give always a bad image of themself...

[Son of Clyde]

The interpreter I use was a 6-hour wonder.  Her American husband proposed to her 5 1/2 hours after they first met.  That was 10 years ago and they are still married with children.  So that throws a lot of theories out the window.

By the way she gives great 3-way phone service at a reasonable rate.  And she gives very wise advice, even evaluating the tone of the woman's voice.

Elena Henrickson's email:  elen@cmspan.net

Let me second that. Lena is a very good interpreter and a wonderful person.

[Son of Clyde]

I find some of the others here, who may have issues with CG, having a good heart too. Most of you guys are genuinely trying to help people in this endeavor and that should be recognized by others and each other. I think there are a lot worse people out there that we need to worry about.

I have had disputes with CG but like I have said before I don't dislike anyone. If he leaves in a huff with no intro to the rest of the board it will be his choice. I know JB does not particularly care for me either but I take his posts with a grain of salt. He is human like all of us.

[Cameraguy]

Thanks for sharing, Barney17/Clyde/S.O.C. Glad to hear that jb and I don't disagree on everything.

If anyone else would like to offer their personal opinions, don't be shy -- that's what this thread is for.

~CG

[Son of Clyde]

Thanks for sharing, Barney17/Clyde/S.O.C. Glad to hear that jb and I don't disagree on everything.

If anyone else would like to offer their personal opinions, don't be shy -- that's what this thread is for.

~CG

CG I don't have to say a word to you because you can put your foot in your mouth all by yourself. Over time others will see your behavior.

[smsmsmsm]

Hi Bruno,

You mentioned that people don't necessarily seek information and are engaged in figthting with each other. To be honest, I am actually enjoying the postings here. I see disagreement. Academics are trained to disagree and argue with one another. One thing I don't want to do is to reduce members here to people who are only interested in MOB. I think what you all are showing me is that you are multi-dimensional men.

Ada

[Bruno]

Hi Bruno,

You mentioned that people don't necessarily seek information and are engaged in figthting with each other. To be honest, I am actually enjoying the postings here. I see disagreement. Academics are trained to disagree and argue with one another. One thing I don't want to do is to reduce members here to people who are only interested in MOB. I think what you all are showing me is that you are multi-dimensional men.

Ada

If you like disagreement, you will not be deceive here... we have some strong members with very personal opinions... Can not really say that they are wrong since not real study exist about the MOB business ( specialy related to the FSU )...

In any case, enjoy your stay here... there forum have certainly a lot of interesting information for your study, specialy if you consult the "archive" ( older post )