RWD is a scam site

[tim 360]

Michelangleo,  never realized you had such clout with that big stick of yours.  What'd you do?  Make him an offer he couldn't refuse? 

[Michelangelo]

Tim & Ken!~ Just the power of the written word, I suppose.  And I'm sure others complained to him as well.

Ken~ We are doing fine.  Vik is looking forward to her first "American" Christmas and New Year.

[ZP]

With all my experience I sometimes don’t have the answer(s). Recently I was helping a fiancé that had been scammed out of thousands. And although it was a scam, certain issues had not been solved and some questions remained. So, the investigation continued.

It was thought that posting questions on a forum might yield answers. Days went by; weeks went by. People looked at the questions. No good answers were given by the so-called experts on various forums. What to do, what to do? Men were hurting and needed answers and closure.

Jim was contacted and given a brief explanation of the circumstances. He was polite and promptly replied. His answers were direct and to the point. He recommended a few references and they were contacted. They were of immense help and the questions were eventually answered.

I don’t often post on forums and don’t know the details of the feud between Jim and others. I can only say that he was helpful when nobody else was.

My advice: Call a truce; work it out; apologize to each other; do whatever it takes. It’s not about us. For me, it’s about helping people that have been scammed. It’s about stopping or slowing the scammers.

     As a reminder to people who have forgotten what it’s like to be new to something: Some of the men are poorly informed and make unwise decisions. And even if they were at fault for not following advice, they may be, nonetheless, emotionally hurt by a scammer. Teasing them, in my opinion, is not helpful. Their questions may seem, to well-seasoned people, naïve or silly. But, remember they may not know better. Ask yourself if you are helping them with your advice. Or, are you just talking and taking up ones and zeros on a forum and using it like a chat room. I say, if Jim can help, it’s good. If this forum can help, it’s good.

If you don’t agree with what he is doing, don’t mail bomb him. That’s childish. Simply assign a representative from this forum and have a discussion as to the gripe and try to find resolution.

[Bruce]

ZP - Please show us the thread you are talking about below:

"It was thought that posting questions on a forum might yield answers. Days went by; weeks went by. People looked at the questions. No good answers were given by the so-called experts on various forums. What to do, what to do? Men were hurting and needed answers and closure.

Jim was contacted and given a brief explanation of the circumstances. He was polite and promptly replied. His answers were direct and to the point. He recommended a few references and they were contacted. They were of immense help and the questions were eventually answered."

You can easily look it up and send us all a link below or cut and paste it.  Tell us what Jim's answer was.   I would be interested to learn.  Thanks for the information  .

[dublindevil]

With all my experience I sometimes don’t have the answer(s). Recently I was helping a fiancé that had been scammed out of thousands. And although it was a scam, certain issues had not been solved and some questions remained. So, the investigation continued.

It was thought that posting questions on a forum might yield answers. Days went by; weeks went by. People looked at the questions. No good answers were given by the so-called experts on various forums. What to do, what to do? Men were hurting and needed answers and closure.

Jim was contacted and given a brief explanation of the circumstances. He was polite and promptly replied. His answers were direct and to the point. He recommended a few references and they were contacted. They were of immense help and the questions were eventually answered.

I don’t often post on forums and don’t know the details of the feud between Jim and others. I can only say that he was helpful when nobody else was.

My advice: Call a truce; work it out; apologize to each other; do whatever it takes. It’s not about us. For me, it’s about helping people that have been scammed. It’s about stopping or slowing the scammers.

     As a reminder to people who have forgotten what it’s like to be new to something: Some of the men are poorly informed and make unwise decisions. And even if they were at fault for not following advice, they may be, nonetheless, emotionally hurt by a scammer. Teasing them, in my opinion, is not helpful. Their questions may seem, to well-seasoned people, naïve or silly. But, remember they may not know better. Ask yourself if you are helping them with your advice. Or, are you just talking and taking up ones and zeros on a forum and using it like a chat room. I say, if Jim can help, it’s good. If this forum can help, it’s good.

If you don’t agree with what he is doing, don’t mail bomb him. That’s childish. Simply assign a representative from this forum and have a discussion as to the gripe and try to find resolution.

I had a lot of experiences with 'agency scams' and did not like what I saw. He is heavily biased towards his 'friends'. !  I questioned a lot of his decisions about the black list, and all his lists, and provided evidence about some who should not be on the list he had put them on, but I either got no reply, or received spurious and very doubtful answers. I even went as far as registering myself on a lot of bride sites and agency sites, just to prove that his assessments were wrong, and wrote and told him but he either refuted what I had found, or if it was a little too hot for him to handle he just refused to reply. Such a man who sets himself up to be some kind of god given 'Guru' should not only be totally impartial, but SEEN to be impartial, and he most definitely is not. In fact he is doing so much harm with his 'recommendations' and leading Guys up the garden path, that his advice should be totally ignored. If fact, even switch his lists around and view his Gold lists as a Black list and so on. ! I had other evidence given to me by really genuine web site owners about his approaches to them "I will put you on my Gold list, if you put my link on your site" !! I still have all the evidence if anyone wants to view it. ?  The BEST, and ONLY way to find out who is genuine and who is not is to register for a Forum where many Guys post their experiences (such as this one) ? The Bride business is a minefield, and therefore every guy wanting to walk it should 'mind where he treads'. ! I spent 2 years investigating it and wrote a large book about it, so if anyone would like to read it, just let me know.
Good luck Guys.  Just stay away from A.S.

[William3rd]

Sure- I would love to see more about your book about scammers. . .  gotta link?

[Jack]

Hello ZP,  it was nice for you to come to the aid of the most un-ethical anti-scam site owner in the industry, "Honest Jim" from Agencyscams.

You gave a nice story about "Honest Jim" and when Bruce made a simple request to your glowing post...." Please show us the thread you are talking about "....    and  ....."Tell us what Jim's answer was.  I would be interested to learn.".....     you, ZP, just disappear!   One would think 40 days would be enough time for you to reply back ZP.

How can we take your two glowing posts of "Honest Jim" as being serious if you cannot address a simple question asking for a little information about what you have declared?  Or could this be more "Honest Jim" shenanigans at work here.

[Bruno]

Now, Jim make better...

He don't shot on RWD only... he use now the nuclear device...

RWG, RWD, CMA, Good Wife, Planet Love are now forum not recommended by Mr Jim... all the big forum who don't agree with him are bad...

http://www.agencyscams.com/Forums.html

So, newbies, go away, don't educate yourself and send a lot of money to the agency in the Gold list... several of them are with referal system and Jim will make a lot of money... He don't really care if you are scammer, all who count for him is that he is the best and everybody need use his Gold list for allow him to become rich...

In any case, i very like his disclaimer posted below his own home page in very little character
http://www.agencyscams.com/index.html
The agencies found on this site are only the personal opinion of the owner. They should not be taken seriously or as fact due to the fact that the owner might be insane.

No problem Jim, we don't take what you say seriously since we already know that you are insane 

[Rvrwind]

Those links arn't working for me Bruno. Wanted do go see if he pulled me out of his directory,I was on the white list, because I pulled his link from my site but I can't access it. Been trying for awhile actually & keep getting a default page that says there is np index file.
Don't know whats upwith that?? ???

[Bruno]

Those links arn't working for me Bruno. Wanted do go see if he pulled me out of his directory,I was on the white list, because I pulled his link from my site but I can't access it. Been trying for awhile actually & keep getting a default page that says there is np index file.
Don't know whats upwith that?? ???

Don't know too... maybe he use technic like some other site... simply block IP from FSU... Kvinna have in the past inform me that some antiscam site use these method...

Now, about the white list, she don't exist on agencyscam but on the Jimlist... and you are listed http://jimslists.com/White.htm

Now, specialy for Jack, take a look at the top of http://www.agencyscams.com/index.html ... specialy the banner :

The html code is the following :

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<td width="100%"> <a href="Why/Firstdream.html" target="_blank"><img style="border: 0px solid ; width: 468px; height: 60px;" alt="Jack Bragg is the biggest horses ass this side of Jupiter" src="Images/bitch.gif"></a></td>
Seem that our friend Jim is really shoting at everything and everybody...

[Jack]

I must say I am honored, two special list's created just for me, "Honest Jim's" Bitch-slap list and schit-kick list.

Some people work hard in their profession to win an Oscar, some an Emmy.  I win two awards. Again, I am honored, almost speechless, to have two such distingushed awards created for my behalf.

[jinx13]

Have to say I found that link VERY interesting....this is a funny quote,

 "if you have lots of money to waste and need someone to hold your penis when you pee, Jack is the guy for you."

   

p.s. I mean the link about jack specifically, I just found it interesting considering my personal experience with him, and the things this Jim guy writes, all I'm going to say is...interesting.

 As far as RWD being a scam site, and discrediting Dan, that's total crap obviously.

[William3rd]

The disclaimer states that the owner may be insane. But there are tidbits of sanity in his musings. Under propaganda, I found some stuff that tears the guts out of the propaganda posted by some of his recommended agencies. He claims to have his numbers from USCIS.

4% success rates (marriages) among agencies and a 70% divorce rate among women who come to the US from FSU. I am sure that his recommended agencies will now complain and the stuff will disappear but- it seems right on the money for the romance tours based on my experience

I think Jack will do a lot better than the 4% with his personal service. In addition, Jack gives pretty good advice as well.

[jinx13]

 Does Jack give advice here anymore? I haven't seen much of it lately, but I would agree some of the stuff he says is right on the money, he obviously knows Russian women, it's his business, he should know.

 Before Jack writes a long diatribe here, I am not condoning Crazy Jim's rants against him, seems like these guys have some history there, but I can honestly say after reading some of the things from that link I can relate. Jack is tireless in his attacks, not a guy you want to make enemies with. Some of Jim's quotes about him struck a chord with me, thats all i want to say about it. Let's not revisit the GC lottery thing again puhleeze....

[Michelangelo]

My problem with Jim is his ban, once again, of RWD.  He is saying all of us who contribute here are smammers.

Let's think of a way to strike back at him...something online that a google search will pull up saying HE is a spammer...  :-)

[Turboguy]

It strikes me as funny that he is calling RWD a scam site supposidly because they allow advertising from an agency on his black list then he puts Global Ladies on his white list.   Sure.

[Admin]

It strikes me as funny that he is calling RWD a scam site supposidly because they allow advertising from an agency on his black list then he puts Global Ladies on his white list.   Sure.

Oh - his hypocrisy runs deeper than that - MUCH deeper.

It'll all come out soon.

- Dan

[Rvrwind]

Thanks Bruno but He must have my IP blocked or something because all I get is this crap & can't get to the pages at all.
At least I'm still on the White List, mmmmmm, not that that says much.

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Seems real strange to me that he would block IPs from Russia when most of the agencies on all his lists are in Russia, Duuuhhhhh!!!! Can you say L O S E R 

Anybody else in Russia care to give it atry to see if we are all blocked or just me? I tried bothe the new links Bruno posted & no chance I was getting through. Need to test my theory & see if he's blocking us all or just me cause I pulled his ad. Phil, give it a shot from SPB if you read this. My curiosity is killing me.

[Admin]

Thanks Bruno but He must have my IP blocked or something because all I get is this crap & can't get to the pages at all.
At least I'm still on the White List, mmmmmm, not that that says much.

Seems real strange to me that he would block IPs from Russia when most of the agencies on all his lists are in Russia, Duuuhhhhh!!!! Can you say L O S E R 

Anybody else in Russia care to give it atry to see if we are all blocked or just me? I tried bothe the new links Bruno posted & no chance I was getting through. Need to test my theory & see if he's blocking us all or just me cause I pulled his ad. Phil, give it a shot from SPB if you read this. My curiosity is killing me.

There are quite a few reports stating that Jim is blocking all Russian IP's. I think it was the gals at Antidate who first reported it - and it appears to have merit.

- Dan

[Jack]

Honest Jim is the ultimate case of the pot calling the kettle black.  Honest Jim must think he is above all others. 

Here is what Honest Jim wrote about a competing anti-scam site,........"They have now made their site unavailable for viewing in Russia and Ukraine. Why? So I and the wrongly accused girls can't look at their site."......

Well duhhhhhhh Honest Jim, WHY DO YOU block Russian and Ukraine ISP's from accessing your sorry excuse for an anti-scam site?   So that the wrongly accused women on your site can't see your FALSE claims against them!!!   You do the SAME you ridicule others for.   

[Bruno]

Since the topic in the "RWD Annoucememts" is locked... that the two topics ( "Jim's lists and agency scam" and "AntiJilList site" ) in the section "scammers and suspect agency" was joined and locked too... not other choice that post here...

First of all, look the topic is a wrong move, it show that "discussion" is not more allowed on these forum... i was following the evolution of these situation at some other place ( difficult work since i need use a fake IP )... these morning, i have read a topic on RWG about it... they have say that the topic on RWD will be locked and maybe delete... and it have partially happen... all this is only giving weapons too other for fight RWD...

Ok, this is a minor problem but i have some other concerns...

The first one was already spoken about in the locked topic... problem of unsollicited e-mail receive by members... the privacy policy of RWD ( http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?pid=29 ) say :

RWD considers the personal information that we may receive through our website and other solicited and unsolicited electronic communications to be strictly confidential. Our policy is to disclose no personal information that may be gathered on-line to unrelated third parties unless we are required by law to do so. Under certain other circumstances, we may disclose information if pertinent to internal, judicial or government investigations or proceedings. RWD does not sell or rent personal information to other organizations.

I think that it is the duty of RWD owner/staff to seek how personal information have reach the hand from the owner of the AntiJimList...

Now, if the person responsible of this is a member of RWD, he need to be banned... the RWD TOS ( Terms of Service ) say clearly :

You acknowledge that you are expressly prohibited from utilizing International Relations’ Message Boards / Discussion Forums / or other internet services in connection with data mining of any kind, commercial use, the sending of unsolicited electronic mail or other forms of messages, whether commercial or not, to a large number of recipients.

A message is unsolicited if it is sent to a recipient who has not requested or invited the message. Mass mailing is mailing of messages in quantities exceeding reasonable personal use. For purposes of this provision, merely making one's e-mail address accessible to the public shall not constitute a request or invitation to receive messages.

Now, time for my second concern... related to copyright material post on these antiJimList... again in the TOS, it is writen :

Reproduction, copying, or redistribution for commercial purposes of any materials or design elements on this site is strictly prohibited without the express written permission of International Relations. As such, you are authorized to view, copy, download, and print on a single computer for personal, non-commercial use, provided that (1) you do keep all copyright and proprietary notices intact; (2) the documents may be used solely for personal, noncommercial, and informational purposes, they may not be posted or distributed, (3) the documents may not be modified, and (4) all copyright and other proprietary notices must be retained in the document.

Now, if you take a look at http://www.jimslistsucks.com/index.php?pid=7 , you can find in the text part of my own post, from Bruce post, from Kuma post, from tim360 post, from calcowboy1 post, etc... If International Relations have not give his concent for use the material of RWD on these site, these site need to remove it due to the copyright...

EDIT : was forget something... in the closed topic Gator wrote :

It does make it appear that someone named "Jack" was involved in the Jim's List Sucks movement...

Not a "Jack" but a "Jackll"... funny that on RWG a member use the nickname of "Jackll"... people who post on both site know who is really "Jackll"... For find who is the owner of a site, simply follow the money flow... in the antiJimSite, money generated by publicity go to a "Jackll"...

Of course, like Jack have PM me, i don't know what i am talking about... so, don't believe me... make some search yourself for find the truth...

[Admin]

Since the topic in the "RWD Annoucememts" is locked... that the two topics ( "Jim's lists and agency scam" and "AntiJilList site" ) in the section "scammers and suspect agency" was joined and locked too... not other choice that post here...

First of all, look the topic is a wrong move, it show that "discussion" is not more allowed on these forum... i was following the evolution of these situation at some other place ( difficult work since i need use a fake IP )... these morning, i have read a topic on RWG about it... they have say that the topic on RWD will be locked and maybe delete... and it have partially happen... all this is only giving weapons too other for fight RWD...

Ok, this is a minor problem but i have some other concerns...

The first one was already spoken about in the locked topic... problem of unsollicited e-mail receive by members... the privacy policy of RWD ( http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?pid=29 ) say :

I think that it is the duty of RWD owner/staff to seek how personal information have reach the hand from the owner of the AntiJimList...

Now, if the person responsible of this is a member of RWD, he need to be banned... the RWD TOS ( Terms of Service ) say clearly :

Now, time for my second concern... related to copyright material post on these antiJimList... again in the TOS, it is writen :

Now, if you take a look at http://www.jimslistsucks.com/index.php?pid=7 , you can find in the text part of my own post, from Bruce post, from Kuma post, from tim360 post, from calcowboy1 post, etc... If International Relations have not give his concent for use the material of RWD on these site, these site need to remove it due to the copyright...

Bruno,

The topic was locked because some members decided to use the opportunity to engage in a mud-slinging contest. If the topic had remained relevant, it would still be open.

The merging of the topics was to clean up the multiple posts made in a variety of sections.

As for the mass email (if that is what it was), it seems that some people received them and others did not - as evidenced on RWG's 'poll'.

I think it is time to let the topic die.

- Dan

[Bruno]

The topic was locked because some members decided to use the opportunity to engage in a mud-slinging contest.

Agree... some same have difficulty to have a discussion without be insulting...

I think it is time to let the topic die.

Don't worry, the topic will die... but it will not allow some members to feel again trust in the forum... and maybe some will not more post because they don't wish find own post copied to other place...

Someone have make a big mistake and these someone is not able to reconize his mistake and present some apologie to the communauty... who say that something similar will not happen again in two week...

And difficult to let something die when one of the involved person is insulting in place of show a low profile... about insult, can you make off the language control in the PM system... difficult to read PM when several words are remplaced by *snip* 

[Admin]

Agree... some same have difficulty to have a discussion without be insulting...

Don't worry, the topic will die... but it will not allow some members to feel again trust in the forum... and maybe some will not more post because they don't wish find own post copied to other place...

Someone have make a big mistake and these someone is not able to reconize his mistake and present some apologie to the communauty... who say that something similar will not happen again in two week...

And difficult to let something die when one of the involved person is insulting in place of show a low profile... about insult, can you make off the language control in the PM system... difficult to read PM when several words are remplaced by *snip* 

Bruno,

I realize some people feel there may be a security issue and a loss of trust. I have tried to be forthcoming and explain my involvement, but it seems that may not be enough for some. I also recognize that folks at other forums and sites will interpret things to suit their own agendas. It is normal and I expect it.

As for the PM system, it uses the same algorithm as the main board, and is not configurable. If you are wishing to send invective, I guess you will have to use email.

When all this erupted yesterday, I was taking my daughter to her ballet - and today will be involved with my family and one of my son's tennis (he is ranked Top 100 nationally), so won't be thinking too much about this other stuff. Suggest some others consider taking a break as well.

- Dan

[Bruno]

As for the PM system, it uses the same algorithm as the main board, and is not configurable. If you are wishing to send invective, I guess you will have to use email.

  It is not about send but receive  simply jooking on the fact that i have receive PM with the *snip* remplacing some words...