RWD is a scam site

[Stirlitz]

The topic was locked because some members decided to use the opportunity to engage in a mud-slinging contest. If the topic had remained relevant, it would still be open.

Why not clean it (remove mud-slinging), warn the members who violate the board rules, or even ban them if they are too stupid, and let other members continue the debate. Locking a controversial topic is not a solution to the problem. It only adds fuel to the tension. I, for one, am not satisfied with what I read there. There are still questions that remain unanswered. But it looks like I have to seek answers elsewhere.

[Admin]

Why not clean it (remove mud-slinging), warn the members who violate the board rules, or even ban them if they are too stupid, and let other members continue the debate. Locking a controversial topic is not a solution to the problem. It only adds fuel to the tension. I, for one, am not satisfied with what I read there. There are still questions that remain unanswered. But it looks like I have to seek answers elsewhere.

It may have escaped you Igor, but I *have* already cleaned it - at least some of it. I have already addressed the parties involved. I have already provided an explanation of my involvement.

BTW - do you go in this sort of witchhunt for EVERY spam message you receive??

- Dan

[jinx13]

 For my part in the mud slinging, I'm sorry, but I did try to keep it on topic, and Jack is part of the topic, no matter how you look at it, but I will try to keep my personal feelings about him to myself.

 As for locking topics, I don't like it either, and I don't see where the logic is when some are locked, and some aren't. For example their were two threads about this subject (now a third) , the "antijimlist" topic was shutdown because of bickering, but what was the reason for the first one being locked? I think it was about the spammed e-mails started by Stirlitz.

 I'm getting used to posts being deleted and locked threads around here, I understand the need for some editing when flame wars really heat up, but I think it goes overboard sometimes, not a whole lot of freedom here.

[Admin]

For my part in the mud slinging, I'm sorry, but I did try to keep it on topic, and Jack is part of the topic, no matter how you look at it, but I will try to keep my personal feelings about him to myself.

 As for locking topics, I don't like it either, and I don't see where the logic is when some are locked, and some aren't. For example their were two threads about this subject (now a third) , the "antijimlist" topic was shutdown because of bickering, but what was the reason for the first one being locked? I think it was about the spammed e-mails started by Stirlitz.

 I'm getting used to posts being deleted and locked threads around here, I understand the need for some editing when flame wars really heat up, but I think it goes overboard sometimes, not a whole lot of freedom here.

That is a load of BS.

Fact is - I have little time to even read the board lately, let alone go "overboard" with edits. The fact that some of yours have been edited/deleted owes FAR more to the fact that you seem to be in the middle of a lot of this crap, and I will tell you quite candidly, I am growing tired of it.

If your objective is to stir up your dislike of others - do it elsewhere. Understood?

- Dan

[BC]

Just for the record I checked and did not receive any spam along these lines.

Maybe this is because my email addy is 'hidden' in my profile here?

[jinx13]

That is a load of BS.

Fact is - I have little time to even read the board lately, let alone go "overboard" with edits. The fact that some of yours have been edited/deleted owes FAR more to the fact that you seem to be in the middle of a lot of this crap, and I will tell you quite candidly, I am growing tired of it.

If your objective is to stir up your dislike of others - do it elsewhere. Understood?

- Dan

 So my bringing up the war between Jack and Jim, and asking why you would get involved in that crap puts me in the middle, and I'm stirring it up? You did that yourself Dan when you decided to get involved with Jack and whoever else and create that website and then spam RWD members.

 I know you are sick of me, and Stirlitz, and Bruno because we keep the topic going when you just want it to die, the fact is there is a lot of hypocrisy going on with this board, and I'm disapointed, you are not quite the man I thought you were, but all in all you do a good job, everybody makes mistakes.  I expect to be banned shortly, guess I better go check out RWG.

[Bruno]

I know you are sick of me, and Stirlitz, and Bruno because we keep the topic going ...

Wrong jinx... Dan is not sick of me, we continue to PM each other in a educated way... Dan was knowing about the site but not about the SPAM... these evement put himself in a bad situation...

So, stop with hypothese... Stop saying that some are guilty without hard evidence...

So, no more post about it... but all the men who have keep these e-mail can send it to me... full e-mail + full header... i am now in contact with "internet autority" and they will resolve the problem... we will maybe never know is at the origine of these SPAM but since he have not respect the TOS of his provider, his a$$ will be kicked...

These who wish send me the e-mail + header can send it to spam@love-from-russian.be ... these e-mail will be active in only 30 minutes and only for one week... so, no need to administrator/moderator to delete it...

[jinx13]

 No, I agree Bruno, I don't think Dan spammed his own members, I am sure of it. Dan is a good guy, that website just backfired, thats all.

[Stirlitz]

Well, after all it is hard for me to believe that Dan would spam his own members. But associating with stupids (I mean those who did spam) is not wise. In Russian we say: if you lose something together with a wise man it is better than finding something with a fool. I think this is a good example.

BTW - do you go in this sort of witchhunt for EVERY spam message you receive??

Yes. As I receive very, very little spam (probably 3 or 4 messages a month), I always try to find out where it comes from. At the very least, I sent a spam report to the ISP if I can track down the network. After all, I am a nice spy

Spam must die. Spammers = scammers. All of them.

[Admin]

Yes. As I receive very, very little spam (probably 3 or 4 messages a month), I always try to find out where it comes from. At the very least, I sent a spam report to the ISP if I can track down the network.

Spam must die. Spammers = scammers. All of them.

Well now - that's a rational position.

BTW - I posted this earlier, but if you are REALLY serious about wanting to report spam, take a look at the website for www.hendricom.com. They have a moniker for "A Spammer in the Slammer" - which is slightly more humane than killing them all.

- Dan

[viking]

After reading some of the posts regarding all this Jim stuff, spam, and so forth I feel like I am in the middle of a womans cat fight. Meow, meow, hiss, hiss.

Bruno - Stick around, I respect your opinions and you are one of the good guys. And I enjoy your Sherlock Holmes mentality.
Dan - You are one of the most level headed individuals I have run across and your administration of this site is valuable and admirable.
Stirlitz -  I shudder to think  what you would do if someone hacked your computer and stole the paswords to your bank account. It's a piece of spam for Petes sake. Shall we send you a bigger delete button? Sheeesh!
Jinx - Sometimes you are on target and sometimes not. You are opinionated for sure, but be real and understand that diplomacy is not one of your key selling points. Just chill a bit before you post.
Jim - I saw his site maybe a year ago. Never went back. Not part of my life. So I dont care about anything written about him.
Jack - Regardless of your personal view points (which are your personal viewpoints), you run a good service. see you in Kiev.

I received an email on a very personal account which appears absolutely no place around here. How did someone get it? I dont know. I dont care. I am not going to waste time trying to figure this out. I read it and deleted it. Ho-hum. Big deal.

[Bruno]

They have a moniker for "A Spammer in the Slammer" - which is slightly more humane than killing them all.

Sorry, in my case, i kill spam... software used by linux is called SpamAssassin 

A outlook version for windows can be download at http://sourceforge.net/projects/saoutlook/

[Stirlitz]

LOL. Yes, cats’ fight sure.

Stirlitz -  I shudder to think  what you would do if someone hacked your computer and stole the paswords to your bank account. It's a piece of spam for Petes sake. Shall we send you a bigger delete button? Sheeesh!

:chuckling: Yeah, you got me.

But seriously, the bottom line is: he who is sinless shall stone her first or something like that. If somebody claims Jim is bad and then spams people, what do you make of that? That they are the same.

And I have written that I have zero tolerance for spam wherever it comes from. You can hit the delete button once, twice… but when you have to do it a hundred times a day… two hundred… that’s too much.

BTW - I posted this earlier, but if you are REALLY serious about wanting to report spam, take a look at the website for www.hendricom.com.

Thanks. But for the amount of spam I receive I can handle manually. It is more interesting to investigate each case closely.

Also, I try to avoid installing too much software, especially shareware.

[Admin]

So my bringing up the war between Jack and Jim, and asking why you would get involved in that crap puts me in the middle, and I'm stirring it up? You did that yourself Dan when you decided to get involved with Jack and whoever else and create that website and then spam RWD members.

 I know you are sick of me, and Stirlitz, and Bruno because we keep the topic going when you just want it to die, the fact is there is a lot of hypocrisy going on with this board, and I'm disapointed, you are not quite the man I thought you were, but all in all you do a good job, everybody makes mistakes.  I expect to be banned shortly, guess I better go check out RWG.

Not quite. I am sick of the fact that you have gotten embroiled in anything even remotely resembling a flame here. So far that includes jb, Jack, KenC, and William3rd (if memory serves) - and there may be others. At some point, one begins to look at the common denominator.

Regards my desire for the topic to die - the topic has run its course except for a few die-hards who, IMO, have an agenda unrelated to the issue at hand.

As for checking out RWG, I have always maintained that a person should post where they feel most comfortable. If you find it more comfortable there, I wish you well.

- Dan

[Admin]

Thanks. But for the amount of spam I receive I can handle manually. It is more interesting to investigate each case closely.

Also, I try to avoid installing too much software, especially shareware.

Well, the value of the hendricom software is it collects ALL records of spam activity and consolidates it for reporting to authorities. If you are serious about wanting to have an impact on internet spam and spammers, you cannot do better than the hendricom products.

As for shareware - then you should ESPECIALLY like the products by hendricom, as they are NOT shareware, you will have to pay for them.

- Dan

[Bruno]

I received an email on a very personal account which appears absolutely no place around here. How did someone get it? I dont know. I dont care. I am not going to waste time trying to figure this out. I read it and deleted it. Ho-hum. Big deal.

Maybe not a big deal... for you... but what about the situation when you receive hundred of spam by hours... time for delete them is high... mailbox have some limit in size... some spam are with big picture in bmp format  who, by example, promote viagra... when your e-mail box is full, the legitimate message are not more deliver to your mailbox... a lot of spam message are host for virus, trojan, etc ... great for loose content of your hard drive... And what about porno spam send to the mailbox of your own children ?

Spam cost million $$$ to internet provider each year for the generated traffic... and who pay the bill ? You, the customer...

[Stirlitz]

Good point, Bruno. That is why I started the 'witchhunt'.

After cooling off, thinking it over and taking new facts into consideration I am more inclined to believe that RWD’s fault is only indirect and it was that spring glitch which is to blame. Somebody saved all the e-mail addresses and just used them now.

The fact that people who registered later also received it does not really undermine this theory as their addresses could be harvested additionally.

I think I even know who is that somebody.

As for shareware - then you should ESPECIALLY like the products by hendricom, as they are NOT shareware, you will have to pay for them.

You have to pay for shareware too — only after some time. I do not really feel like paying for software. I do my best to counter spam but I think my time is what I can afford. After all, I personally do not suffer from spam much, it is a matter of principle.

[Bruno]

LAST NEWS :

tracking by internet provider from the origine of the SPAM have give result... we will never know who was responsible of it ( private life ) but action was taken since the guy/girl (??) who have send the SPAM have his account suspended...

Bruno,

Thanks for bringing this to our attention. I've suspended the site sending the messages now.

-Tim Dorr
Owner/Manager
A Small Orange Software

Now, unfortunaly for these who have like the anti Jim site, the site is down since it is the owner who have send the Spam... if you wish, check yourself http://www.jimslistsucks.com ...

RWD is not down and have not participate in the SPAM ... Integrity and ethic of the forum ( and Dan ) is clean...

Next time that someone will build a site for expose the bad practice of Jim, i advice him for not use bad practice himself.

Now, i will have "someone" who really hate me but justice is make. I don't like Jim but i will never lower myself on his level for fight him.

So, problem is closed !!!

[Bruno]

If you are serious about wanting to have an impact on internet spam and spammers, you cannot do better than the hendricom products.

Software stop spam at the level of your mailbox... don't really  change something to the problem...

Use a few minute of your time to report scam give better result... what have happen now is the perfect example... the spammer was find and his account suspended... when he/she will rebuild his site to a other host, he will think two time before send spam to RWD members... or to other place... i hope that what have happen now will have a educational effect on him/her.

Second effect are potential spammer in the future... they will know that members here have zero tolerance for spam and that action will be taken... that we are not sleeping victim...

Not for relate is too something more important for several guys here... scammer... guys who are scammed report contact info to antiscam site... very little effect... 5 minute for new fake advert and new e-mail address... several scammer used mail.ru ... make a report to mail.ru... and the scammer will never be able to make a other account on mail.ru ... if mail.ru contact the provider, internet account can be suspended... after some time, scammer will not more be able to connect on the internet... yes, they can use internet club but it is not a profitable and easy way when you communicate with several hundred potential victim...

Antiscam site like JimList have not the tools needed for identify a scammer... a photo, address, e-mail, etc ... all can be fake... it can be a honest girl photo used by a bad guy... if you wish fight scammer, contact provider and host... you will not have your money back but you make it more difficult for the scammer to contact other victim...

It is internet... so, use internet tool for fight back...

[Admin]

Software stop spam at the level of your mailbox... don't really  change something to the problem...

Use a few minute of your time to report scam give better result...

Actually, that is exactly WHY the hendricom products are so good. They not only stop spam at your inbox, they ALSO collect reports from ALL their users. Their consolidated reports have proven to be effective in reporting and stopping not only individual spam, but the spammers themselves.

While it is one thing to take the initiative to attack spam when it comes to you - it is even more powerful to be a part of a larger undertaking to catch the spammers where they live and prosecute them.

- Dan

[jinx13]

 Dan, sent you a PM.  The common denominator is people with strong personalities, and the fact that I made some enemies with my DV Lottery story.

 Ok, back to the topic....If Dan knows who sent the spam, shouldn't that person be banned from RWD? By the way, I have no clue who did it, I'm just sayin

[Michelangelo]

Now, unfortunately for these who have like the anti Jim site, the site is down since it is the owner who have send the Spam... if you wish, check yourself http://www.jimslistsucks.com ...

So, problem is closed !!!

I'm very glad that site is closed and I'm very sorry some lowered themselves to Jim's level....I hope it was not some of our members who spammed us and who think in such sophomoric fashion.

I wrote Jim when he first blacklisted us (RWD) and explained to him we were just a collection of guys sharing information about the FSU with one another.  I believed that then....but these actions proved me incorrect.

And I still maintain that those who attacked Jim using his exact same tactic actually damaged themselves, and not Jim.

But I also believe that the bad apples here at RWD are only a few, and the vast majority of us are more mature than that, and are truly here to pass honest, reliable information on to one another.

[Bruno]

Actually, that is exactly WHY the hendricom products are so good. They not only stop spam at your inbox, they ALSO collect reports from ALL their users. Their consolidated reports have proven to be effective in reporting and stopping not only individual spam, but the spammers themselves.

While it is one thing to take the initiative to attack spam when it comes to you - it is even more powerful to be a part of a larger undertaking to catch the spammers where they live and prosecute them.

- Dan

Very similar to Vipul's Razor. It uses an extensive set of rules to figure out what is spam and what isn't. It goes a step further, than the 'check_mail' approach and updates a network database that tracks spam signatures. As users identify new spam messages, the server databases are updated. Subsequent users have the benefit of an updated database of spam messages, that then can be filtered locally on their machines.

http://razor.sourceforge.net/

And it is free 

[SANDRO43]

the site is down since it is the owner who have send the Spam... if you wish, check yourself http://www.jimslistsucks.com ...

I did check and no, it isn't now. Temporarily sent off the field/pool, as in water-polo foul penalties ?

[jb]

Didn't Shakespear write a play by the same name?

"Much ado about nothing"?