RWD is a scam site

[Admin]

First of all, those who are not interested in this tread are welcome not to read it.
Yes, the spring securuty leakage.

Excuse me! How did we learn that a large number of people did not receive it? If you hint at the poll I ran at RWG, there are only 16 votes. When there are 500 votes we can draw conclusions. Or do you possess different trustworthy information? Please share. Unless you did the mailing yourself or are an associate of the spammer, I do not think you can say anything for sure.

I am not going to post anything at JLS. I see no reason for even visiting it. What’s the use?

By posting here about this, I am not making allegations against this board. I am accusing JLS of low tactics like spam and try to expose the spammers. Isn’t this board meant for exposing scammers too? Or is it that some can be investigated and exposed here, and some can’t?

And do not call it witchhunt please. Because next time a scammer is exposed here I will call it witchhunt and suggest to let it go. After all it is Scammers and Suspect Agencies, isn’t it?

Yes, it is the question. Which Dan claims is not going to be answered — a funny statement. But I am not going to let it go until I get an answer. Who is the spammer?

Yes, it does matter. I already explained why and I will explain again, this time in a different way using an example. It is a matter of trust. Let us assume, for example, that you need advice on certain agencies/individuals. A guy (let us call him Jack, for example) comes up with some information which you cannot verify. For example, he is disparaging someone else. Would you trust Jack if you learned that he was a spammer and liar (claiming in his spam that you opted to receive it)? Of course you would not. But you do not know who is the spammer/liar. It can be a member of this board who is actually giving advice here. So, now you have to think whether you can trust anybody here or not and be suspicious. I think it would be easier to know who is this guy. Especially if he is more than a lurker here. I think I know who it is actually and many people do too, but I do not want to accuse anyone at random.

We have a saying in Russian: the country should know its heroes. (Страна должна знать своих героев!

Igor,

First, you are now approaching the line of what will not be accepted here. It has nothing to do with your initial post - it has everything to do with your making what appears to be baseless allegations, through innuendo, against another member. And BTW, I would respond (and HAVE responded) in the same way with OTHER issues involving OTHER members.

Next, my comment about you being unlikely to get the answer you seek is simple. I highly doubt anyone is going to tell you they are guilty of wrongdoing or spamming - and I am not going to discuss the security issues at RWD. I will not discuss incursions, nor will I discuss protections - for obvious reasons. Having said that, it seems pretty clear that you will not find the "answers" you seek - at least, not here.

Odd that you would so quickly abandon the poll you created at another board. Clearly, you did so seeking to conduct your "investigation." You even stated so. You received a number of responses - more than most polls receive over there - and now you throw off the results as invalid because they refute your hypothesis. This is NOT the behavior of an intelligent and open-minded man, Igor.

My duty is to protect the interests of RWD and her members Igor. There is now a pretty resounding chorus telling us they are tired of this crap. It is time for you to let it go. Please.

- Dan

[Admin]

Is all this hoo haa over spam???

I've been away for a few days and have come back to a MASS of email that results from new posts to threads I'm watching and find it hard to believe that there is this much activity over spam.

Let it go... it's not the end of the world.  Stirlitz, it's painful but it's not an integrity test.  It's friggin spam.  No one ever stopped junk mail in your letter box at home and no one will totally wipe out spam!

These boards are about couples interested in International Dating and so much activity over spam just proves to me that some people have nothing better to do with their time.

On a side note...  The weather is lovely in Kiev... the women are beautiful...  the food is good... and life is plodding along pretty damn well.

I'm a little cut that I didn't get the spam... Can someone send it to me please?

Kuna,

Great perspective - thanks.

These flames occasionally erupt and almost all may be traced back to polarization occurring years ago. Jack is at the center of a fair share of it which is more attributable, IMO, to his very strong character and force of will rather than anything else. Jack and Igor mixed it up pretty good here when RWD first started, and I had hoped to see the tensions abate. Obviously, they have not.

Anyway - your T/R is excellent and where I hope most guys will spend their time. Far more productive than viewing the sort of mud-slinging going on here.

FWIW

- Dan

[Bruno]

You know Bruno - I have a new career for you.  Its one I know you are ready for..........internet policeman.  We just have to get it legislated.  You already are this boards honorary member of "Scotland Yard." 

Sorry for the late reply... posting rate is high here and difficult to follow during the week... when i have my real work...

"internet policeman"  nooooo ... already some people have these function... laws already exist but they are not identic in each country... i think that Williams will be better that me, he is a specialist about laws 

Like i have already post before, in regard of the US law, nothing illegal have happen... more :

The US legislation does not allow e-mail recipients to sue spammers or class-action lawsuits, but allows enforcement by the FTC, State Attorneys General, Internet service providers, and other federal agencies for special categories of spammers (such as banks). An individual might be able to sue as an ISP if (s)he ran a mail server, but this would likely be cost-prohibitive and would not necessarily hold up in court.

Stirlitz wrote :

Excuse me! How did we learn that a large number of people did not receive it?

Come on... with almost 2000 members here, if a large number of people have receive it, you will have more reaction... we have already know PM system SPAM in the past and more people have inform about it that in the actual case...

Kuma wrote :

I'm a little cut that I didn't get the spam... Can someone send it to me please?

Better enjoy your stay in Ukraine... if you wish read it, simply read the closed topic about it... it was posted by someone... but i am sure that Ukrainian women are more interesting that these topic...

[Michelangelo]

Spamming one another is the fault of the Russians.... LOL

You see, it does not make sense to spam yourself....

Why the Russian's fault?  Cuz the guilty party has spent too much time with Russians.   Example-- Brighton Beach, where the Russians throw garbage at their own feet on the beach, hence they have a filthy beach.

Perhaps it was an RWD member who sent a juvenile spam letter to most of us.   If so, no-- I don't like that.

Is it a big deal?  No...

But, cumulatively, spam is a problem.  I get about 100 a day.  It hits my computer and I have to spend time making sure it is spam, and then deleting it.  And then it hits my Blackberry....I take it out of my pocket and look at it, not wanting to miss a real message.  I curse and then delete it.  More wasted time.

So yes, spam is a problem...

[Admin]

Spamming one another is the fault of the Russians.... LOL

You see, it does not make sense to spam yourself....

Why the Russian's fault?  Cuz the guilty party has spent too much time with Russians.   Example-- Brighton Beach, where the Russians throw garbage at their own feet on the beach, hence they have a filthy beach.

Perhaps it was an RWD member who sent a juvinelle spam letter to most of us.   If so, no-- I don't like that.

Is it a big deal?  No...

But, cumulatively, spam is a problem.  I get about 100 a day.  It hits my computer and I have to spend time making sure it is spam, and then deleting it.  And then it hits my Blackberry....I take it out of my pocket and look at it, not wanting to miss a real message.  I curse and then delete it.  More wasted time.

So yes, spam is a problem...

Michael,

I submit that this topic lost its focus on SPAM a long time ago. In fact, I think it was Stirlitz who re-characterized the 'issue' as one of "trust."

I assure you, if it were NOT as significant as a trust issue, I would have long ago walked away from the debate.

At this point, however, there is not going to be a resolution of the form Igor seeks. I honestly believe he is responding more to his dislike of Jack, than to a real issue now. I have always found Stirlitz to be a very reasonable and pleasant guy - when Jack is not involved in any way. Unfortunately, things go awry when the two are mixed in the same issue.

FWIW

- Dan

[Jooky]

So who done it? Nobody wants to come clean?

[William3rd]

I didnt. . . . 

[Stirlitz]

First, you are now approaching the line of what will not be accepted here. It has nothing to do with your initial post - it has everything to do with your making what appears to be baseless allegations, through innuendo, against another member.

Can you tell me what did I do specifically to approach this line? Did I name the suspect? Did I call names? Is truth-seeking unacceptable here? And what do you mean by BASELESS (excuse me!!!) allegations? Didn’t you read the thread? Do you think I invented it all? And others who confirmed it?

This is NOT the behavior of an intelligent and open-minded man, Igor.

I can also say that associating with a web site that use lies to achieve their goals and even promoting it on your web sites is not wise of you. But let’s avoid personal attacks, shall we?

You received a number of responses - more than most polls receive over there - and now you throw off the results as invalid because they refute your hypothesis.

I am not throwing anything off. It is in the progress, I am narrowing down the circle. As I told you, the poll has only 16 votes and it is very far from making conclusions. As I said before, when it all started I had no idea who was behind it. Now I have a pretty good idea but still lack some evidence.

I highly doubt anyone is going to tell you they are guilty of wrongdoing or spamming

Well if they really care about their reputation they had better come clean and apologize before they are finally exposed.

My duty is to protect the interests of RWD and her members Igor. There is now a pretty resounding chorus telling us they are tired of this crap. It is time for you to let it go.

Well as I said they do not have to read this thread if they do not like it.Tired? Nobody forces it on them. But if your duty is to protect the interests of the members here, you simply must tell us who is that person so that the members can decide for themselves if they can trust him because of the reasons in my example above. However, you seem to be very concerned that he can be unmasked. Why?

If RWD is interested in white-washing and concealing, this is quite different. I can understand it. But then… what was the original subject of this thread? I would not like to believe it.

OK! You can hush it all up and pretend everything is fine. But the crap will remain there, just hidden for a while. Sooner or later it will come out stinking worse than ever. You will remember me.

At this point, however, there is not going to be a resolution of the form Igor seeks. I honestly believe he is responding more to his dislike of Jack, than to a real issue now.

What does Jack have to do with it? If you hint at his involvement in the issue, why not simply ask him? Like…

“Jack Bragg, did you send the spam e-mail encouraging people to visit JLS?”

Let’s see what he says.

[Admin]

Can you tell me what did I do specifically to approach this line? Did I name the suspect? Did I call names? Is truth-seeking unacceptable here? And what do you mean by BASELESS (excuse me!!!) allegations? Didn’t you read the thread? Do you think I invented it all? And others who confirmed it?


I can also say that associating with a web site that use lies to achieve their goals and even promoting it on your web sites is not wise of you. But let’s avoid personal attacks, shall we?

I am not throwing anything off. It is in the progress, I am narrowing down the circle. As I told you, the poll has only 16 votes and it is very far from making conclusions. As I said before, when it all started I had no idea who was behind it. Now I have a pretty good idea but still lack some evidence.

Well if they really care about their reputation they had better come clean and apologize before they are finally exposed.

Well as I said they do not have to read this thread if they do not like it.Tired? Nobody forces it on them. But if your duty is to protect the interests of the members here, you simply must tell us who is that person so that the members can decide for themselves if they can trust him because of the reasons in my example above. However, you seem to be very concerned that he can be unmasked. Why?

If RWD is interested in white-washing and concealing, this is quite different. I can understand it. But then… what was the original subject of this thread? I would not like to believe it.

OK! You can hush it all up and pretend everything is fine. But the crap will remain there, just hidden for a while. Sooner or later it will come out stinking worse than ever. You will remember me.
What does Jack have to do with it? If you hint at his involvement in the issue, why not simply ask him? Like…

“Jack Bragg, did you send the spam e-mail encouraging people to visit JLS?”

Let’s see what he says.

Igor,

You are placing me in a difficult position. Not because of any wrongdoing on my part - but because you are not heeding what I, and others, are saying to you.

You seem to want to keep this topic alive, no matter how many times I, and others, tell you it is time to let it go.

I can, of course, lock the topic - which would, no doubt, result in your continued accusations of wrongdoing.

Right now - YOU are using the bandwidth of RWD to pursue a topic which has little, or no, support. All the questions you've raised have been addressed with reasonable responses. The fact that you have not received the answer you seek is both unfortunate and predictable.

What I will NOT tolerate, is your accusations that I am trying to cover ANYTHING up when I have been quite forthcoming with you (and others).

Please let it go Igor - as I have requested now repeatedly.

- Dan

[Jack]

Eeegorrr, I would like to answer your question now that this topic has been unlocked (and will answer your same question with the same answer on your board if you can unlock it as you did to ask your question and then lock it again after asking your question).


If you hint at his involvement in the issue, why not simply ask him? Like…

“Jack Bragg, did you send the spam e-mail encouraging people to visit JLS?”
Let’s see what he says.


Eeegooor, he say's NO,  he (Jack) did not send out the spam e-mail.

There you go eegorrr. I know, not the answer you were hoping for on your little which-hunt. I hope you find the bastard who sent you that spam email though. I get probably 40-50 spam e-mails a day. I say we kill all the bastards, wouldn't you agree eegorrr?

[Bruno]

It start again...

Jack, these topic was closed a time and remain calm... and of course, you put again oil on the fire...

Who send the spam ( not a spam in regard of US law ) ? The owner of the anti-jim site ! Who is the owner of the anti-jim site ? I don't know but you know ( and some other too ) ! Who care ? Almost nobody !

Jimlist and Agencyscam are sh!t... anti-jim site is sh!t too because they lower themself to the same level of Jim... simply don't bring some more sh!t here, on these forum...

Dan, since these topic was my topic, can you close it definitively... i am tired of people who use these forum for battleground... first time is fun but it is always these same end... the never ending story !!!

Edit : in the same time, allow me to introduce my new avatar related to the following news ( http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=3700 )  "Silicon Valley Get-Together March 4, 2007 at 11 AM"
 

[Stirlitz]

jeck,

Thank you for clearing the air. I have two more questions which you do not really need to answer because answers are obious, but it would be interesting to hear Honest Jack’s sincere responses:

0. Did you send the spam e-mail encouraging people to visit JLS? — NO.
1. Do you know who sent out the spams promoting JimsListSucks?
2. Are you involved with JimsListSucks?

I REST MY CASE.

Now, this topic can indeed be closed.

[Jack]

ohhh I'm sorry Bruno, I thought the topic was unlocked.

I am sorry that my response to eegorr has offended you. eegor was able to ask this question DIRECTLY of ME brunoo and unfortunately I was not able to reply to HIS publicly asked directly question to me.

I say thankgoodness to the rwd board ole bruno. Do you know what happened when eegorr asked this same question of me on the board where he is free to post on locked topics. On the rwg this topic was locked. Shadow locked the topic, no more questions could be asked, or answered.  Welllll, ...almost, almost. Seems igor got upset brunoo that his question to me went unanswered here.

At 11:39am Shadow locked the thread over there that was similiar to this topic.

Locking this topic did not set well the eegorr. So some 8 hours later eegor went into this locked discussion and after many interesting remarks asked me the following question.



So, based on the suggestions rather than my personal attitude to Jack, references to him in the light of this event and with the purpose of clearing the air, I would like to ask here:

Jack Bragg, do you have anything to do with the sending of the spam e-mail encouraging people to visit JLS?

What is interesting, I do not see how he can be involved with JLS and have nothing to do with the spamming.



10 minutes later Shadow replied that he locked this post for a reason.

25 minutes later the board administrator had to publicly tell eegorr the thread will remain locked.

Damn! What a shame eegorr. His second publicly asked question of me and now it get's locked down.

See bruno I could see how important this question was to eegorr, .....can you not see it bruno?  This individual wanted to ask this  publicly ask this question so much that he actually went into a locked thread, unlocked it for the sole purpose of being able to publicly get this questioned asked.  And here you are bruno, trying to deny this man this question that he so badly wanted publicly answered.

Shame on you bruno.

And I know how you Bruno, and igorrr, feel about this terrible site, but you should both be very proud that justice is being served.

Honest Jim is now removing good women that he has cubically posted as scammers for years.  Honest Jim is now removing many agencies he had Black Listed solely because they did not reply to his e-mail.  You don't reply to God Jim's e-mail, you get Black Listed.  I will repeat, you should both feel proud that justice is being done.

Now bruno, that is all I have to say on the subject, you want to keep it going, please, feel free to do so.

[Jack]

eegorrr, well now you want TWO more questions answered. Geeeeee, give a guy a break, answer his one dying question, and he wants more!  Ok eegorrr, just for you.

Question 0, answered.
Question 1.  I do know who sent out 34 e-mails to various agencies, it was I. And I signed each one of those e-mails personally.  The other e-mails you are referring to I do not know who sent.
Question 2. Absolutely YES!!