Large age difference

[Coulter]

With such attitude it is understandable that they will be rejected by US women.

But why did/do they look for a Russian woman? Why:?

 

You are missing the point completly, men who are looking for ladies from the FUS are not being rejected by AW, they are the ones rejecting the AW and looking for something better in the FSU.
[/quote]Very, very interesting!!!
"something", you are looking for "something" not for someone, point well noted. For you a woman is a thing. Very intesting indeed. I understand why an US woman will reject you. She has a choice.

[TigerPaws]

Very, very interesting!!!
"something", you are looking for "something" not for someone, point well noted. For you a woman is a thing. Very intesting indeed. I understand why an US woman will reject you. She has a choice.

 

Coulter,

 It was not that I did not have any choices in AW, in fact I had all to many choices, men of means usually do, the issue was and for may AM today is the vast majority of AW have lost the more traditional family values. Additionally if an AM wants a beautiful, sexy, intelligent, younger lady (15 plus years) as his bride who has many of the more traditional values his choices in AW is extremilly limited. I is not that an AM can not find such a woman in America but the pickings are very slim, in my case, within the circles I travel in the pool of avaliable AW who meet the criteria I was looking for was all but non existant. The logical choice for those men who do not want to compromise is to look for places where the pool of available ladies with the traits he desires is larger, hence many AM have looked to the FSU.

[Elen]

traditional values

I hear that constanly and would be thankfull to find out what's THAT at least:? Please let use simple sentences for I would be able to understand you.

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[BC]

Elen,

Traditional = subservient

Never leaves the house without man except to buy food and beer.
Brings man beer and food to his TV watching chair.
Is happy when man watches sports on TV
Cleans all the time
Always ready for sex in all 'strange' ways
Totally dependent on man for all needs
Never, never makes demands
Always cheerful and never complains
Dresses sexy in public and does all to make mans friends jealous
Agrees to all that man decides or says
Will never, ever leave or divorce man

[Elen]

OH! You just opened my eyes:shock:

Wonder how I managed to live without all these:?

 

[BC]

Yes Elen,

I have never met a RW/UW that comes even close to being 'traditional'

Think of thirsty men in the desert... and a mirage appears

:D

[Bruno]

Traditional = old-minded

- Prefert real kitchen food in place of Mc Donald ( ready food together )

- Marry you by love and not for your wallet

- Accept use her free time for take care of children with husband in place of use children garden...

- Respect of olders people and parents

- Have friendship relation

- Don't go sleep with the first man she meet for some fun

- Like use beautiful clothes and not only jeans and t-shirt

- Don't wait 35 yo for beging think to children

- ....

[BC]

Bruno,

Your version of 'traditional' applies to maybe 10 percent of men seeking RW. Back in the deep dark recesses of the mind many are looking for other things using 'traditional' as a veil..

[Coulter]

Very, very interesting!!!
"something", you are looking for "something" not for someone, point well noted. For you a woman is a thing. Very intesting indeed. I understand why an US woman will reject you. She has a choice.

 

Coulter,

It was not that I did not have any choices in AW, in fact I had all to many choices, men of means usually do, the issue was and for may AM today is the vast majority of AW have lost the more traditional family values. Additionally if an AM wants a beautiful, sexy, intelligent, younger lady (15 plus years) as his bride who has many of the more traditional values his choices in AW is extremilly limited. I is not that an AM can not find such a woman in America but the pickings are very slim, in my case, within the circles I travel in the pool of avaliable AW who meet the criteria I was looking for was all but non existant. The logical choice for those men who do not want to compromise is to look for places where the pool of available ladies with the traits he desires is larger, hence many AM have looked to the FSU.
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You want to tell us that you are not rich enough to find a younger beautiful clever US girl:?
To summarize:
something = woman
pool of available ladies = shopping center

Better and better.
If you are so happy with your family, why do you spend time on the computer...
:?

[Coulter]

Elen,

Traditional = subservient

Never leaves the house without man except to buy food and beer.
Brings man beer and food to his TV watching chair.
Is happy when man watches sports on TV
Cleans all the time
Always ready for sex in all 'strange' ways
Totally dependent on man for all needs
Never, never makes demands
Always cheerful and never complains
Dresses sexy in public and does all to make mans friends jealous
Agrees to all that man decides or says
Will never, ever leave or divorce man

:D:D
If the US women are not traditional, maybe I should sart looking into the USA!
Only problem: the level of education is so low...

[TigerPaws]

Seriously for a moment (I know it is hard Elen), every man will have his own idea (hopefully) of what he is looking for in a lady from the FSU. Traditional values will mean something different to each man so at the risk of over generalizing I will start with a few of my thoughs (not in any order on importance).

Traditional values hopefully will include:

Thinking about the wants, needs and desires of her husband and family before herself and her career.

An interest and desire to keep up her personal appearence, dress well, keep her weight under control and generally do her best to look nice for her husband and herself.

Be the homemaker (yes men are expected to help as well), cook, clean, laundry, shop and care for their home.

If they have children she would be the primary care giver (yes I change dirty diapers as well).

Her input into family decisions are very important and necessary but in the end it is her husband that makes the final decision an she should ultimately acquiesce to his judgenent.

Loyalty, honesty and faithfullness to her husband and their vows.

A willingness work with her husband on the problems they will face together both as a couple and personally.

To be his best friend who is someone he can talk opeanly to without fear, his lover to share the most intimate of time with and the mother to their children, a woman who will care for their family with love, kindness and respect for the values they share.

 

[Elen]

too may "for her husband" , "to her husband" for MY test:P (And I'm more than serious)

And if seriously I think you spent TOO many years in army as general for to stop give orders.

[Bruno]

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Her input into family decisions are very important and necessary but in the end it is her husband that makes the final decision an she should ultimately acquiesce to his judgenent.
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Wowww... usually, Russian woman make the final decision... and they can use all the woman weapon for this... food not ready when you come back to home after a heavy day of work, no more sex until you change your mind, ... it is why i like russian woman, they have very strong character and it is need to "negociate" together for reach some decision.... in your case, you have find the exception...

[Elen]

in your case, you have find the exception...

 Now:? for such big money you always can find an exception to any rules

[TigerPaws]

 Now:? for such big money you always can find an exception to any rules

Your jealousy is showing through Elen.

 

[Elen]

Only in your dreams , Tiger.

 Not everybody is sold for money ( never mind how much saleman offers) Besides the most valuable things in this world are free-of pay, you just don't aware about that copy-book truth:P

[Turboguy]

Ahhhh, now we are on track here.   That is what I am looking for too.  A woman who will make me feel like a king, who will wait on me hand and foot.  Perhaps i can even train her to fetch the paper as well as the beer while I sit there and watch all the games.

OK, well, now a little more serously.   I think that is what a lot of us are hunting for.  A woman who will treat us like we are special and make us feel like someone really cares about us as people and as a husband.   Someone tries to treat us like we are important to her.  

The way some of this is worded, it almost sounds like we are looking for a love slave.  I don't think that is the case.   I think we also want to work hard to make thier life special.  To listen to the things that she cares about and that bother her, to give her a nicer life than she has ever knownm, to be a faithful and good husband, to enjoy some of the events in our areas together, to be a good father for any children that she has or will have, to  make her feel like she is important and wanted and special.

What we really want is a happy marriage where we have a best friend to share life, a partner, a lover, a person we can count on and to build the happiest marriage possible.    This is not something bad.  It something many American men dream of but can never find with an American woman.

[Leslie]

Well we now have 14 pages of meandering argument on this thread. 

Most of it just ain't worth reading. 

One of the most important lessons from this thread is you just cannot win an argument with a Russian or Ukrainian woman.

I know that my wife will continue to argue (if she thinks she is right) as long as she draws breath.  Well as she is much younger than me - I have no chance of winning....

Seriously on lots of things we have to agree to differ.  Just accept our different opinions and move on.  This is one of the ways we make our marriage work. 

I just ran the following past my wife -

Her input into family decisions are very important and necessary but in the end it is her husband that makes the final decision an she should ultimately acquiesce to his judgenent.

Really some guy thinks like that???  That is SO patronizing! 

Needless to say but our household does not run like this.  We are equal partners. 

 

 

 




 

 

[TigerPaws]

Her input into family decisions are very important and necessary but in the end it is her husband that makes the final decision an she should ultimately acquiesce to his judgenent.

Really some guy thinks like that??? 

 

 Nothing personal Leslie but you need to reclaim you balls, yes I really do think like that, at the end of the day when all is said and done SOMEONE has to make a decision. Now if you both agree that is all well and good, if not then a decision right or wrong has to be made and in my house generally (but not always) I am the most qualified to make that decision. 

[TigerPaws]

 Not everybody is sold for money ( never mind how much saleman offers) Besides the most valuable things in this world are free-of pay, you just don't aware about that copy-book truth:P

I am sorry Elen EVERYONE has a price and I mean EVERYONE, it might be more expensive for some than others but EVERYONE can be had for the right price.

[Turboguy]

I have always been told by many women that Russian women WANT the guy making the decisions.   They sorta think any guy that wants to make joint decisions is a wusss (not sure how yuo spell that) and they would not respect them. 

I have had women really get upset with me when I am visiting their city where I have no idea what there is to do and where there is to go and try to have them decide what we are going to do.   They want the guy to take charge of things.

I have also had women break off contact when I said I thought marriage was a partnership.   I learned to keep my mouth shut on that one and basicallly I am not a take charge and start issuing orders type guy.  I get very concerned about the likes and interests of my gal.   I am of the opinion I should consider that a fault and work to overcome it if I am going to have a Russian wife. 

This sorta goes against what everyone is saying here so let me lay the cards on the table.   What are your experiences? 

[Turboguy]

I am sorry Elen EVERYONE has a price and I mean EVERYONE, it might be more expensive for some than others but EVERYONE can be had for the right price.

Bullshit Tiger.  It is a little like what W. C. Fiends said.   You can buy some of the people all the time and all the people some of the time.  You can not buy all of the people all of the time.

Tiger, not to complain, but you are awful pre-occupied with money.  I would almost think that out of your 99 posts 98 or more are about money.   I am not going to say that money is not important but it always seems to me that those people I know who have a lot are a lot more miserable in their lives than those who just get buy but at a level that they don't have to worry about things.    I really think you might be happier if you gave away a few hundred million and just kept a few million for pocket change.  Just enought that you don't have to worry.

I am also not saying that making provisions to keep it is wrong.   I expect to be faced with the prenup decision here in a few months and need to decide what I am going to do.   The advice of you and everyone on this board has been helpful.   

[TigerPaws]

[user=54]Turboguy[/user],

 Nothing personal but my comments were directed towards Elen, she was being sanctimonious in her comments. In general a girl will try to get the best man her looks, age and intelligence can buy her.

 

[Elen]

In general a girl will try to get the best man her looks, age and intelligence can buy her.

I'm mazed with genders of words in this sentence and can't catch who buys who?:?   

 Any way you speak about girls qualities and all I could figure out you're abble to give back was your money and a life in "golden cage" There is no need to go so far to America to see such kind of marriage, there are enough examples in Moscow with well predictable final

 

Btw my statement was

Not everybody is sold for money  

your answer is I am sorry Elen EVERYONE has a price

Well let live happy in your world until somebody with more big money appears next to your wife
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[Bruno]

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I am sorry Elen EVERYONE has a price and I mean EVERYONE, it might be more expensive for some than others but EVERYONE can be had for the right price.
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Yep, it is what have think Al Capone in America... he have pay lawer, politic man, police... until some "incorruptible" have take care of him...

For some people, the price to pay is not in value like money but other supperior value like respect, honesty, a good heart, ...