Large age difference

[TigerPaws]

Yep, it is what have think Al Capone in America... he have pay lawer, politic man, police... until some "incorruptible" have take care of him...

For some people, the price to pay is not in value like money but other supperior value like respect, honesty, a good heart, ...

Bruno,

 You really shold not comment on American history without a complete understaning of it, your example is without merit in this case. Capone was convicted for tax evasion not for the hundreds of real crimes he committed because no one would speak against him for many reasons. Yes Capone paid off everyone from the street cops to the politicians but he also sponsored almost all of the Chicago school lunch programs in a time when many children were starving. You are most likely not aware that if an employee of Capone was killed or seriously injured Capone made sure that man's family would be well taken care of in a time when people in America were starving to death.

 I could go on about this but this board is about men finding, courting, marring and living with women from the FSU so lets try to stay on subject. 

 

[Bruno]

Tigers... who go off topic... who have say that everyone have a price when we speak about wife... have you some respect for other people of only for yourself ?...

The example of Al Capone was for show that no everybody have a price...

But you reply show more about your own character...

You are most likely not aware that if an employee of Capone was killed or seriously injured Capone made sure that man's family would be well taken care of in a time when people in America were starving to death.


Great, give money for replace a husband and a father... it is like the chief of big fabric who prefert pay some fee when a worker know the dead that make the security better...

Yes Capone paid off everyone from the street cops to the politicians but he also sponsored almost all of the Chicago school lunch programs in a time when many children were starving.

It is not because a thief give some % of his dirty money that he is no more a thief...

You try to give you some excuse for your asocial and abnormal comportment but this change nothing to how i see yourself, like a man who have no respect of woman... who think only to himself... Maybe when you will be tired of your wife, you can exchange it... if you buy something, you have right to some garantie... how much is the guarantie on a wife...

In anycase, your wife is certainly a angel for support a man who think like you... you are very very lucky... i don't think that you can find a other like her in Russia or in other place in the world...

[TigerPaws]

Bruno,

 I will not engage a lesser mind in personal attcks, back to the subject this board was designed for please.

[Dude]

Here in the USA I personally witnessed my neighbors daughter( 25 y/o ) become extremely wealthy by marrying a rich man twice her age.  During her marriage she had sex with her step son, me, my brother, and many more excluding her husband:? After divorcing the old guy she married her step son and when he died she became much more wealthy.  She won't talk to me now:(  Marriage is a very lucrative business here in the US. Such an interesting concept , purchasing a piece of paper from a government which gives a man these privileges.  I think prostitution is the most honest type of romance.  Just don't leave your wallet where she can find it. I know all people are not the same but there are so few honest people that it doesn't matter.

[Turboguy]

I think anyone who does not think that having a lot of money can influence your life would be a little nieve.

I also think that many people know that money can not buy some of the most important things in life.   It can buy companionship, and sex, but not love.  It can buy services and even friendship but it can't buy respect.  It can buy medical care but can't buy health.

Truthfully I think the gal who married the old guy and then the step son probably is very miserable inside.  She might have a nice life style and great possesions but money really has very litttle value.   Those who live their life based on acquiring and protecting it need to learn more the value of simple things. 

Yes, I think many of the gals try to find the guy who will give the best life and to an extent they are buying that with their looks and figure and personallity being the price they pay.   We too try tp buy the best gal we can with what we have to offer.   Sometimes that might be money and sometimes it might be looks and sometimes it might be a chance for a caring, devoted husband.   If the price we are paying is money then either someone can come along with more or these gals can figure out that they can have a lot of our money without putting up with us under the divorce laws here.  

To me those relationships based on money, and possessions and beauty and a curvy body are all fairly shallow and will more likly end up in divorce court.  Those who find someone who can be thier friend and partner and soulmate have a much better chance.

[Leslie]

Tigerpaws,

 

I won't argue with you.  You will not change your opinions.  The content and style of your own posts define your character far more eloquently than any criticism I could post.  This message board has an experienced, intelligent membership.  I will let them draw their own conclusions.

 

 

 

[Fiorella]

[user=150]300spartans[/user] wrote:

Fiorella and Elen,

Several men have tried to reason with both of you, which seems to be a waste of time. You both have a singular worldview including numerous distortions about Putin's Russia and life in the Soviet Union. This is normal, most former Soviet residents are very ignorant about the things that actually happened in their own country, even during their own lifetime. Even those that have lived in Siberia tend to downplay the evidence of their own eyes, such as seeing women from punishment work camps and physically unfit soldiers marching off to work at the point of bayonets. This was seen by my fiancé in the 1980's and probably is still going on today. Russia has often been a heartless and cruel country, and ladies such as you two are good examples of the results. Genetically speaking this cruelty has some positive though politically incorrect results. The weak are eliminated from the breeding pool and oftentimes the best-looking young women are selected for survival. This has been going on since the days of the Golden Horde, and probably earlier. The killing and selection process has been at it's most extreme in Ukraine. No wonder many Ukrainian women are so attractive. They are often more feminine and emotional than Russian women. Thinner too, if my own eyes are any guide. My fiancé gained a few kilos living with me in Ukraine and has not gained any more weight in several months in the West. After marriage, I do not expect any change, at least for some years. After she gains permanent residency, probably not then either. My UW is very proud of being slim and attractive and she maintains her slimness mostly for herself rather than the approval of others. Like all people she is a unique individual, she is very aware that some FSU women become chubsters in the West, she saw some of them on TV in Kiev, and at the marriage agency. 

I am not going to argue with you two ladies, your opinions are your own. Please remember that this board is predominantly for the exchange of views about FSU women relationships by western men. Whilst it is nice to hear a FSU woman's opinion, if only as a warning, desist trying to attack those men who the board exists for.

Think how you would like it if one or two WM did the same thing on Russian language boards specifically intended for FSU women. In fact, just think. Please stop quoting dozens of snippets from other posts and then contradicting them. The men here are entitled to their opinions without your attempts to drive them away.

On a positive note, I believe neither of you would be ladies that deceive and trick WM (and RM!) financially, as do many other FSU women as you both have proudly pointed out. Especially in the FSU are victims blamed, and no sympathy exists for them. This is a point of interest for me; you despise WM, especially Americans for being trusting, naive and gullible. Yet, if either of you were the type to trick and cheat WM, you would hardly post your regular attacks on this board. I can say that after being cheated/lied to and financially conned by a woman on our first date/robbed in the street by Gypsies in Kiev (probably a set up involving my young interpreter) in just my first 24 hours, I will never again be either naive, trusting or gullible. So thankyou FSU for those brutal lessons so late in my life. However, back in the West I am slowly "letting my guard down".

Is it your board? When you will be owner of this board, we will listen you. May be. By the way, all western men are very welcome on our russian women's forum. But you don't need to disturb. Continue to live in illusions about russian/ukrainian women.

[Fiorella]

[user=17]TigerPaws[/user][user=17] wrote:

Well put 300spartans, of course neither lady will listen to you, typical of such women, which is most likely why they are posting on this board, no respectable man will have them.

[/user]In such case we say - when you have no arguments you use mode of saying "you are same durak".[/b]

[Fiorella]

 Not everybody is sold for money ( never mind how much saleman offers) Besides the most valuable things in this world are free-of pay, you just don't aware about that copy-book truth:P

I am sorry Elen EVERYONE has a price and I mean EVERYONE, it might be more expensive for some than others but EVERYONE can be had for the right price.[/quote]What is YOUR price?

[TigerPaws]

What is YOUR price?

What is being offered?

 

[Elen]

5 копеек за пучок в базарный день:P

(5 kopeykas for bunch in market-day)

(One more Russian saying for you)

[TigerPaws]

5 копеек за пучок в базарный день:P

(5 kopeykas for bunch in market-day)

(One more Russian saying for you)

Sorry I may be easy but I am not cheap. Old American saying.

 

[Elen]

Well it was my price:P what's yours?

[TigerPaws]

Well it was my price:P what's yours?

What is being asked of me?

 

[Elen]

It was just a female's curiosity about prices for "tigerpaws" at nowday market

[TigerPaws]

It was just a female's curiosity about prices for "tigerpaws" at nowday market

Ok, a fair question Elen.

 What would it take for me to replace my wife? Interesting thought I have never really considered it.

  To start with she would have to be able to grace the centerfold of Playboy without cosmetic surgery or photo enhancement, be intelligent, between 21 and 24 years old and a natural strawberry blonde. Her personal wealth would need to be within 10% of my own as you never trade down, she would need to have all of the traits I have come to expect and respect of my Russian wife and love me with all of her heart and yes her very soul.

 Looks like a good starting list of wants, needs and desires to me and I am sure if I were to think about it I might come up with more to add. So the answer is yes like most people I can be had for the right price which is not always money.

[Elen]

actually we asked about YOURS own personal price and what qualities you do have(except your money) 

[TigerPaws]

actually we asked about YOURS own personal price and what qualities you do have

Elen,

 Why do you ask you are most certainly not in any position to offer me anything I do not already have, so what benifit it is for me to bother with an answer?

[Elen]

Because it was your own statement that EVERYBODY has his price. May be I shall feel more respect to you if I know out your price:P:P

[TigerPaws]

Because it was your own statement that EVERYBODY has his price. May be I shall feel more respect to you if I know out your price:P:P

 As I said a price for what, everything depends on what someone is being asked to do? When I was being interviewed for my security clearence many years ago I was asked by the review board if I would ever sell secrets to a foreign power. My answer was maybe, it all depended on what I was being asked to reveal but I assured the panel that the price would be extreme, enough for me to retire comfortably forever in a lifestyle few ever imagine.

 The review board thanked me for my honesty and granted me my security clearance.

 

[KenC]

Tigerpaws and Elen.  Why don't the two of you trade email addresses?  Your endless debate has forced me to "unwatch this thread" as I am sure most others have long ago concluded.  Or maybe you should have long ago started a new thread, "Two stuborn people with opposing views".

KenC

[Bruce]

Ken - this is a case where I hope Dan edits out all the miscellaneous impertinent information, closes the thread and archives alot of excellent information.  Too bad the good information is littered with nonsense.

[Elen]

Now KenC ;)You may make a company for us as well and say what you think about somebody tell EVERYBODY has his/her price.

In what "parrots"( that saying is form our well-know  cartoon film )do you mesure people?

[KenC]

Tigerpaws,

Below is an example of how to debate with a stuborn Russian woman.

KenC

Elen,

 

KenC

[Elen]

KenC
Elen,

KenC

Elen