Diversity Lottery...

[prince_alfie]

What is the purpose of the diversity lottery? Any experiences with that?

[jb]

This should give you an idea.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diversity_Immigrant_Visa#Ineligible_Countries

[jinx13]

 Alfie,

  My girlfriend Nataly applied for and received her visa this way. She found out about it online, she lived in Sumy, Ukraine at the time. Ukraine is eligible, but Russia is not.

 You can read a topic where this was discussed, or argued I should say.

 http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=3115.0

 Jb, Jack and a couple others thought it wasn't possible for my g/f to get to the U.S. this way, and they also didn't understand that indeed a sponsor was needed for this.

 Here is the conlusion to the topic, and the proof that everything we stated was the truth  http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=3163.0

 It's not an easy way to get a visa, but not as difficult as some make it out to be, the year Nataly came over 55,000 other Ukrainians came over with the Diversity lottery visa too. It's another option, especially since tourist visa's are near impossible for a young woman to get, and maybe she doesn't want to file a K-1 to see America.

[jb]

the year Nataly came over 55,000 other Ukrainians came over with the Diversity lottery visa too.

jinx, that is simply not true.. A total of 55,000 immigrants came over on the DV lottery in 2004,,, from all countries worldwide.  Out of over 5 million applicants, it boils down to a less than 1 in a 100+ chance to make the cut.  Only those countries which had less than 10,000 immigrants over the past 5 years are eligible to apply for the DV lottery. Read the link I posted above.

[Jack]

...."that indeed a sponsor was needed for this."......



Jinx, as jb  said, this is simply not true.  I told you privately, I'll tell you publicly, In Natali's case, she needed a sponsor. Natali for some reason was considered a high risk to warrant a sponsor. Many candidates who require a sponsor don't make it through to the final cut. 

In many cases a sponsor is NOT needed.

[jinx13]

 JB,

Yeah I was wrong about 55,000 Ukrainians, it's the total number allowed by the DV Lottery from all countries. I read it wrong on Nataly's letter.

 Jack,

 If a sponsor is not needed than why is it listed as one of the provisions on the DV lottery website Jack?

 An applicant for a fiancé(e) or diversity immigrant visa may generally satisfy the requirement of the law by the presentation of documentary evidence establishing that:
1. the applicant has, or will have in the U.S. personal funds sufficient to provide support for the applicant and dependent family members, if any, or sufficient to provide support until suitable employment is located;
2. the applicant has arranged employment in the U.S. that will provide an adequate income for the applicant and dependent family members;
3. relatives or friends in the U.S. will assure the applicant's support; or
4. a combination of the above circumstances

[Jack]

Jinx, I really gave you credit for being smarter. I see I was wrong.



1. the applicant has, or will have in the U.S. personal funds sufficient to provide support for the applicant and dependent family members, if any, or sufficient to provide support until suitable employment is located;

If applicant has personal funds sufficient to provide support,.....NO Sponser needed!!!


2. the applicant has arranged employment in the U.S. that will provide an adequate income for the applicant and dependent family members;

If applicant has arranged employment that provides adequate income,....NO Sponser needed!!!



3. relatives or friends in the U.S. will assure the applicant's support;

If applicant does NOT have the personal funds needed to support thmeselves, if applicant does not have arranged employment that provides adequate income THEN A Sponser is NEEDED!!

Most often a high percentage of individuals who cannot show they have the personal funds or arranged employment never make it to the second interview and of those who do, many are rejected by the third interview.


Jinx, does any of this make sense to you now?

[jinx13]

 To answer Alfie's original question, what is the purpose of the DV Lottery? Here it is from the Bureau of Consular Affairs:

  The Congressionally mandated Diversity Immigrant Visa Program makes available 50,000 permanent resident visas annually, drawn from random selection among all entries to persons who meet strict eligibility requirements from countries with low rates of immigration to the United States.

 HOW WILL SUCCESSFUL ENTRANTS BE SELECTED?
At the Kentucky Consular Center, all entries received from each region will be individually numbered. After the end of the registration period, a computer will randomly select entries from among all the entries received for each geographic region. Within each region, the first entry randomly selected will be the first case registered, the second entry selected the second registration, etc. All entries received during the registration period will have an equal chance of being selected within each region. When an entry has been selected, the entrant will be sent a notification letter by the Kentucky Consular Center, which will provide visa application instructions. The Kentucky Consular Center will continue to process the case until those selected to be visa applicants are instructed to appear for visa interviews at a U.S. consular office, or until those qualifying to change status in the United States apply at a domestic USCIS office.
Important Note: Notifications to those selected in the random lottery are not sent by email. Should you receive an email notification about your E-DV selection, be aware that the message is not legitimate.

 To answer Jack's question about my intelligence. Let ME educate YOU. This is at the top of the website page, for ALL foreigners immigrating to the U.S.

Foreign citizens wishing to immigrate and live permanently in the U.S. must comply with U.S. visa immigration law, and specific procedures to apply for your visa. An Affidavit of Support form is required for most family-based and some employment based immigrants to show there is adequate means of financial support in the U.S., by the petitioner or other sponsor(s) for the immigrant.  Click on the links below for more information on forms to use, “how to” instructions for Affidavits of Support, genetic (DNA) testing and more. Based on law, not everyone will receive a visa to come to the U.S. Learn about denials, ineligibilities and waivers.

 I put in bold letter's 'Affadavit of Support' just to help you out Jack, so it will be easier to 'comprehend' what you read. The Dv Lottery visa is no different than any other visa as far as the requirements needed to enter the U.S.

 DO DV APPLICANTS RECEIVE WAIVERS OF ANY GROUNDS OF VISA INELIGIBILITY OR RECEIVE SPECIAL PROCESSING FOR A WAIVER APPLICATION?
No. Applicants are subject to all grounds of ineligibility for immigrant visas specified in the Immigration and Nationality Act. There are neither special provisions for the waiver of any ground of visa ineligibility other than those ordinarily provided in the Act nor special processing for waiver requests.

 William3rd already cleared that up, he works in immigration, but apparently you still don't get it.

 Nataly's case is not so unique, I'm sure there are many immigrants who don't already have family here, or don't have a job waiting for them. It's called the American Dream. Sponsor is just another name for 'Affadavit of Support' the form used was I-134.

 It's not so complicated really, does it make sense to you now Jack? 
 



 


 
 

[Jack]

Jinx, let me repeat,...


1. the applicant has, or will have in the U.S. personal funds sufficient to provide support for the applicant and dependent family members, if any, or sufficient to provide support until suitable employment is located;

If applicant has personal funds sufficient to provide support,.....NO Sponser needed!!!

2. the applicant has arranged employment in the U.S. that will provide an adequate income for the applicant and dependent family members;

If applicant has arranged employment that provides adequate income,....NO Sponser needed!!!


3. relatives or friends in the U.S. will assure the applicant's support;

If applicant does NOT have the personal funds needed to support thmeselves, if applicant does not have arranged employment that provides adequate income  THEN A Sponser is NEEDED!!

[jinx13]

 Jack,

 I'm not going to argue with you about this, it's VERY clear, but you can't see it, so I can't help you, here is the link, maybe you will learn something. good luck.

http://travel.state.gov/visa/immigrants/immigrants_1340.html

[Jack]

Jinx, would you or your wife like to talk to a real Ukraine woman of 23 who has also won the green card lottery and who had NO sponser?

[jinx13]

 I don't have a wife, and nobody ever said an affadavit of support was necessary for every applicant. It's ONE of the provisions listed, if you meet other requirements than you don't need it. My point is that you make it seem like she is some rare case to need a sponsor, it's not unusual at all. It doesn't matter that she is a young woman, what matters is that she had no family or job offer in the U.S., so an affadavit of support was needed.

 Jack, you know "reading comprehension" is a pet peeve of mine. Instead of wasting my time saying the same things over and over, just go back and read what I already posted. All the anwers are there my friend, you just need to take the time to look.

 

[Jack]

Oh yea, I know Jinx, reading comprehension is one of your big pet peeves.  jb and I have both been attending reading comprehension classes just to make sure we do not offend you any more than we already have.

So I went back again and took the time to look at what you wrote,....


Jack,

 If a sponsor is not needed than why is it listed as one of the provisions on the DV lottery website

An applicant for a fiancé(e) or diversity immigrant visa may generally satisfy the requirement of the law by the presentation of documentary evidence establishing that:
1. the applicant has, or will have in the U.S. personal funds sufficient to provide support for the applicant and dependent family members, if any, or sufficient to provide support until suitable employment is located;
2. the applicant has arranged employment in the U.S. that will provide an adequate income for the applicant and dependent family members;
3. relatives or friends in the U.S. will assure the applicant's support; or
4. a combination of the above circumstances

And I mentioned to you Jinx, I gave you more credit for being smarter, again I was mistaken. I admit it, I was wrong.

And so to what you wrote above ..... " If a sponsor is not needed than why is it listed as one of the provisions on the DV lottery website " .... I reply




1. the applicant has, or will have in the U.S. personal funds sufficient to provide support for the applicant and dependent family members, if any, or sufficient to provide support until suitable employment is located;

If applicant has personal funds sufficient to provide support,.....NO Sponser needed!!!

2. the applicant has arranged employment in the U.S. that will provide an adequate income for the applicant and dependent family members;

If applicant has arranged employment that provides adequate income,....NO Sponser needed!!!


3. relatives or friends in the U.S. will assure the applicant's support;

If applicant does NOT have the personal funds needed to support thmeselves, if applicant does not have arranged employment that provides adequate income THEN A Sponser is NEEDED!!

Jinx, a sponser is NOT needed if one has sufficent funds to take care of themselves. A sponser is NOT needed of one has arranged employment that will provide adequate income.

You are saying that a sponser is required even in these situations which is absolutley wrong.

[Admin]

Good grief guys - you've both made your points - you've both posted links to the relevant material.

Let's leave it at that.

- Dan

[jinx13]

 Dan,

 Jack didn't actually post any links, he just keeps posting the same one I wrote earlier that didn't give the complete reasons a sponsor is needed.

 I clarified and wrote an extensive post with the actual links and requirements taken directly from the Bureau of Consular Affairs website.

 Jack refuses to read any actual facts, and just keeps saying the same thing over and over and over. It would be nice if he would take the time and go to the website, and actually know what he's talking about instead of going by what a few of his clients have told him.

 I'm done with argueing with Jack, but if anybody has anything interesting or relevant to say about the topic, than we should discuss it more. DV lottery is obviously a strange and unknown type way to get a visa and green card, but it's not that uncommon. The forum should know the facts, not hearsay from a couple "know it alls" here.  That's it from me.  - Dave

 

 

[jinx13]

It's ONE of the provisions listed, if you meet other requirements than you don't need it.

 Jack, we agree, you just can't see it, read that quote from me above.

 If the applicant has job, family support, or secured funds than a sponsor is NOT needed, but it doesn't hurt either. If you don't have these things than a sponsor IS needed. I think we agree, so like Dan said, it's enough already.

[Michelangelo]

... "reading comprehension" is a pet peeve of mine.

Good grief guys - you've both made your points - you've both posted links to the relevant material.

Let's leave it at that.

- Dan

It looks like Jinx is the guy with the poor reading comprehension.  He's posted twice more since this warning.

Can we close this strand?

[jinx13]

 Yep, I posted twice, once to Dan, and once to Jack, about 2 min. apart, what's the big deal?

 Why do people feel the need to close a topic just because people have an arguement? If you don't like the topic, don't read it, simple as that.

 Are we all supposed to agree on everything, and not have differences? I'm starting to have serious doubts about this forum. Seems like if I disagree with a member of the good ol boys club, than the topic gets shutdown. I know I'm exagerrating, but geez, I didn't even start this thread!

 


 

[Admin]

Yep, I posted twice, once to Dan, and once to Jack, about 2 min. apart, what's the big deal?

 Why do people feel the need to close a topic just because people have an arguement? If you don't like the topic, don't read it, simple as that.

 Are we all supposed to agree on everything, and not have differences? I'm starting to have serious doubts about this forum. Seems like if I disagree with a member of the good ol boys club, than the topic gets shutdown. I know I'm exagerrating, but geez, I didn't even start this thread!

Healthy disagreements aimed at a productive outcome are expected, and welcomed.

When they devolve into flames, is when they get closed - or moved down to the NHB section (haven't done that in a while - I may need to consider it).

- Dan

[jb]

Obviously I can't speak for Jack, however my chief objection to the track a topic like this takes is that it might inadvertently give some newbie, or worse,,, some 3 time K-1 looser, hope that they might somehow skirt around the usual issues of legal immigration if they pin their hopes on a girl winning a lottery.  I personally object to the whole topic of the DV Lottery being discussed on a board which purports itself as being the best place to gather information on bringing a RW/UW across the pond.

The odds are not good that a man will meet the love of his life this way, that jinx did so,,, is, IMHO, a fluke.  I've been hanging on these boards for 7 - 8 or more years, and his is the only case I've ever heard of that a man met a young, single, beautiful, DV Lottery winner in his home town.  Most DV lottery visas go to families, not to young single women.  I have run into lots of men who have met and married RW who were already in the States for other reasons, Student Visas, Work Visas, etc., that is not uncommon, but poor old Alfie's ears perked up enough at the thought of a free ride to start a thread on the topic.  Perhaps Alfie had some genuine interest in learning about DV lotteries, but it was probably just him being bored and wanting to see if he could talk about something new.  Then jinx started to spread further misinformation about 55,000 Ukrainians emigrating per year with DV Lottery Visas, while if that were in fact true, it might seem a viable option.  Since to be on the Lottery list a country has to have had less than 10,000 visas issued in the past 5 years, i.e., less than 2,000 immigrants of all types per year for 5 years.  The impression would be of a sudden flood of Ukrainian immigrants rushing over where before there had been only a trickle. 

This topic had the chance to give false impressions to a whole lot of people who really need to concentrate on learning the basics.

[jinx13]

 I think the topic of DV Lottery has a place on the board, but I agree it's not the best way to try and get the woman you are interested in over here, but what about the family members or friends of your wives? For example Nataly has a younger sister, if she wants to come to the U.S. someday, I think the DV lottery is a viable option, and she would have an even better chance of getting approved with a family member already living here.

 I made a mistake when I said 55,000 Ukrainians, and I corrected myself in the next post. You see, some people can admit when they make mistakes, it would be nice if more members here could 'man up' and admit when they are wrong. I didn't spread any 'misinformation' or give newbies hope of landing a girl this way. Just because JB hasn't seen this kind of case occur on the board doesn't mean it doesn't happen. How many people actually use this board anyway? Like less than 1% of the guys that go over?

 Nataly has other friends that came over on the DV Lottery, and she just recently helped a guy and his family submit all the neccessary paperwork. It's NOT a substitute for a K-1, but if you have a friend or your girl has family members in Ukraine, why not give it a shot?

 

[jb]

I think the DV lottery is a viable option, and she would have an even better chance of getting approved with a family member already living here.

More misinformation, it's a lottery, fer Christ's sake.  She could be a 3rd cousin to George W. Bush and it wouldn't help her chances of winning the lottery.

Just because JB hasn't seen this kind of case occur on the board doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

I never said it can't happen, just that the odds were not good for it.  There's lot's of things jb hasn't seen, but I CAN see you are trying to sell a pig in a poke here.  The smart money will not be on a girl winning a DV lottery.

[Admin]

More misinformation, it's a lottery, fer Christ's sake.  She could be a 3rd cousin to George W. Bush and it wouldn't help her chances of winning the lottery.
I never said it can't happen, just that the odds were not good for it.  There's lot's of things jb hasn't seen, but I CAN see you are trying to sell a pig in a poke here.  The smart money will not be on a girl winning a DV lottery.

jb - I see your point about the tiny odds of success with the diversity lottery - BUT - out of curiousity, what is the downside to pursuing it?

I knew some people who were hoping to strike gold with the Diversity Lottery back when Olya and I were navigating through the INS morass - but admit I never really considered the possibility of the Diversity Lottery, hence, never spent the time to investigate it or seriously consider it.

- Dan

[William3rd]

The annual Diversity lottery is to allow the nationals of low admission countries the opportunity to emigrate to the United States. In addition to the annual number, there is a per country quota as well. High admission countries are not allowed to participate. One application per person and two for a married couple.
Some educational/occupational requirements are there but minimal
Spouses and unmarried children of a successful applicant are able to emigrate with the principle alien.

In the old days( the 90s) there were about 8 million applications a year with around 4 million done correctly-incorrect filings were dumped. 100,000 winners letters were sent out and the first 50,000-based first on their selection order and country-received immigrant visas.

so the odds were about 40 to 1 to get a winners letter if you had applied right and about 100 to 1 in actually getting a visa to the US.

Not the best way to plan a way around the more traditional methods of establishing a relationship and getting a visa.

[jinx13]

More misinformation, it's a lottery, fer Christ's sake.  She could be a 3rd cousin to George W. Bush and it wouldn't help her chances of winning the lottery.

 Of course her having a family member in the U.S. doesn't help her win the lottery, it's random, but if she were selected as Nataly was, she might not need the dreaded 'affadavit of support' or sponsor as it's better known to be approved at the interview.

 Seriously, what is the downside of trying? I don't get all the negativity here, if Nataly had listened to people like Jb she would still be in Ukraine, and not pursuing the American Dream. I am an Entrepreneur myself, so I am used to the naysayers who say ohhhh you will never make it, 75% of small business fail in the first year, blah blah blah, some people in this world have high hopes, and do whatever it takes to make their dreams come true. 40 -1 odds doesn't sound bad to me, guess I'm a glass half full kinda guy