Will you meet many women?

[Albert]

The arrow wrote:  Do not judge ALL Russian women by those who you met and dated.


Arrow, do you have any knowledge of basic statistics?  If so, you would know that at sample sizes of around 30 or so, a random sample will have characteristics that mirror very closely the population from which the sample was chosen.  The features of the sample will approximate the normal distribution and statistical tools such as t tests are completely valid.

[Albert]

Fiorello my dear, as I stated, I am following standard dating procedures just like RM and RW do.  We meet, go on dates, and sometimes have sex.  So if I am characterized as a sex tourist, then how do you characterize RM and RW who also meet, go on dates and sometimes have sex?

[Elen]

Arrow, do you have any knowledge of basic statistics?  If so, you would know that at sample sizes of around 30 or so, a random sample will have characteristics that mirror very closely the population from which the sample was chosen.  The features of the sample will approximate the normal distribution and statistical tools such as t tests are completely valid.

 

according to statistic the majority of Russian women dosen't dating with you - foriegners at all:P So you have not even close idea about RW 's population 

[Elen]

oops it was repeated

[BC]

Maybe the answer she wants is the go/no go test for her.  She may be tired of guys promising that she is the only one but then do turn up and have other interests. Not that she really cares, but just wants an honest answer.

After all you admit that you 'drop' for not meeting some criteria so the short response may be quite fair.

Might also be someone you already met or a friend thereof playing head games with you..

Or she might be right up your alley.. who knows until you answer..

[Fiorella]

As I stated, I wrote a nice one page letter.  She sent a one sentence reply.  So, it is very obvious that  if I give her your answer, then she will eliminate me.  So, in that case, why should I even reply?

It depends what was wrote in your "nice letter". I am pretty sure there was something that made her think about your real plans. By the way, woman who has some experience in internet-dating can easy see if a man is planning to meet lots of girls.

[Albert]

Fiorello says:  RW and RM meet and date locally, during daily life. These who travel to foreign countries for date and sometimes have sex can be categorizad as sex-tourists.

So are you saying that it is OK to date local persons but not date persons in other countries?

And if a local man or woman wants to have sex with a local person it is ok, but if a man or woman wants to have sex with a person in another country it is wrong?

What if the local person travels across town to have sex?  Would that be OK?

What if the person travels to another city, but within the same country; would that be OK.

What if the person travels to a city just across the border into another country; would that be OK?

What distance of travel makes the person a bad person?  Is there a particular mile or kilometer rule here?

 

Originally I asked if we could for ONCE not discuss the pros and cons of WMVM vs other variants.

So how about some answers to my question without bringing the VM predjucies into the picture?

[Albert]

Elen, well at least you have shown you know nothing at all about statistics.

If your 'majority' idea was invoked, there would never be any medical study groups, etc., or any other types of studies.

[Elen]

Ah! I give up in a face of such big specialist in statistic:D But all your posts just show you know only about small specific group of RW's population. And I was speaking about group of all RW who were going on dates  

 

Ну куда уж нам уж замуж.

Мы уж так уж, как-нибудь:D

[Leslie]

Albert,

I will try to answer the questions you pose:

First of all you must be completely honest. Don't tell lies.  UW and RW are very empathic - they will find you out.  You have lots of experience of women so you know how someone who feels misused will treat you....

Second the WOVO type woman will be very unhappy if you are meeting/dating someone else.  Both the man and the woman need to be playing the dating game by the same basic ground rules.  So your dating style will preclude this type of woman.  Period.  There is no way round this.  I know this from my own experience.  It all ends with an ugly scene......

Thirdly is WMVM or as I stopped writing before meeting - Visit Many (VM) Sex tourism??  Certainly not - but it can be something worse....

I face to face dated 91 women before I found my wife.  Sometimes I had 5 first dates a day! I could recognize a GCG or good time girl in 15 minutes by the end of this process.  You know lots of practice does make a difference.  I was seriously looking for a wife.  I was not acting like a tourist or trying to spend my way into any womans pants.  Did I have sex with the women I dated - Yes.  It is an essential step in finding a partner.  I was not a sex tourist but a lot of judgemental people made that accusation.

As far as I am aware Albert you only want to date.  Andrew who lives in the Baltics is like you.  This is fine as long as you are NOT leveraging the relationship(s) by promising emigration or marriage.  This is dating, not sex tourism.  Both sides are aware of the true situation.  They are both adults.

However there are a group of real inadequete sickos who inhabit the FSU MOB business (Andrew is correct MOB and the sex trade ARE evolving together on the web).  Think fat, over 50, can't get a date at home - get the picture?  These guys make promises of a new life to impoverished young women in order to get into their pants.  I have met and talked to several women in Russia/Ukraine who have been abused like this.  Is this sex tourism?? No - it is far worse....

Sex tourism is alive and well in ALL the major cities in FSU.  Look around you in the hotel foyer.  The escourt agencies advertise in their equivalent of the "yellow book" They also advertise in the foriegn language papers.

In fact home delivery whore is easier than home delivery pizza!!!

The only reason that people pay ridiculous prices for "sex tours" is that they speak no Russian and are so inadequete that they are incapable of finding their own whore.  I find it almost impossible to understand how a guy will pay hundreds (sometimes thousands ) of dollars to be introduced to whores any of which he could have for under $200 if he spoke to them in a club....

If you want commercial sex then it is cheap in FSU providing you speak the language and have the courage to meet the meat.  Of course the sky is the limit if you are niave and gullible.....

This is not a sex tourism site so I will NOT be telling anyone how to do this. 

 

[Fiorella]

[user=36]albert[/user] said:
FiorellA says:  RW and RM meet and date locally, during daily life. These who travel to foreign countries for date and sometimes have sex can be categorizad as sex-tourists.

So are you saying that it is OK to date local persons but not date persons in other countries?

And if a local man or woman wants to have sex with a local person it is ok, but if a man or woman wants to have sex with a person in another country it is wrong?

What if the local person travels across town to have sex?  Would that be OK?

What if the person travels to another city, but within the same country; would that be OK.

What if the person travels to a city just across the border into another country; would that be OK?

What distance of travel makes the person a bad person?  Is there a particular mile or kilometer rule here?

 

Originally I asked if we could for ONCE not discuss the pros and cons of WMVM vs other variants.

So how about some answers to my question without bringing the VM predjucies into the picture?

I have very strong family values and I am against all forms of promiscuitet. But if your intentions just to date without commitment and girl's intentions are the same it is a deal of you both. But if you want to catch a girl who is looking to create a family, you are lier and predator.[/size][/font]

[in_phoenix]

So like I posted in another thread, this is the whole problem to the way you date versus you finding any quality woman.  To you, you like to hit the masses.  How the hell can you find one decent woman when you don't have the time (150 of them) to attach yourself to just one and see where it goes.  So instead you keep plugging along.  Do you possibly think that this could also be the reason you have been through so many of them.  They can sense that you are like the RM with no commitment and multiple girlfriends.  You do what ever method works for you.  Obviously the method you have chosen is really working great.

It is funny to see someone work this way.  Back when I used to go to the bars to look for women I would see these guys, ask like every woman in the bar to dance or if they could buy them a drink.  One after the other would refuse him.  It is called the law of averages.  Eventually he would hit one that would say yes.  A lot of work if you ask me.  Also says you have low standards and you will take what ever says yes.

But to answer your question, I think you are going to have to answer the question like it is, you're a player so you need to answer like so.

[in_phoenix]

BC, sorry, you are right.  You did give a direct answer.  "Be honest, tell her you will meet many others and learn to live with the response/rejection."

OK, but now let's analyze what that will accomplish.  As I stated, I wrote a nice one page letter.  She sent a one sentence reply.  So, it is very obvious that  if I give her your answer, then she will eliminate me.  So, in that case, why should I even reply?

And what are we to think of a woman who sends a one sentence reply to a very nice letter?  Aren't women, like men are required to be, supposed to be able to look at the big picture and not be focused on the size of a person's ass, tits, etc.  So isn't she saying that she is one dimensional and is not willing to consider at all the many good qualities that a person may have?  Meet one criteria or goodbye!

Why would she want to date a player when she is looking for love and maybe marriage.  Obviously you are not.  Why would she waste her time with someone not serious about her.  This is the reason you end up dating 150 women, not serious.

[Todd]

Just a couple of comments...

First about statistics, 30 is a good sampling number for any group.  However, just recognize that your group has been selected and shaped by your tastes.  So, it is far from a random selection of RW's.  As a group, they are likely far prettier and more adventursome than the norm for your personal tastes.  

Second, I'm not sure what your ultimate goal of dating in Russia is.  Prior to dating 300 women over the past 6 years, I had only dated 3 women my entire life.  Lest you think that I suddenly took a turn into Mr. One Night Stand guy, I just found the whole dating experience very inefficient.  Only 1 in 6 of these dates resulted in a 2nd date.  Only 1 in 20 a 5th date.  (I have a complete powerpoint presentation on the statistics, etc..)  There really is NO accounting for chemistry, so I can definitely understand why you would want to meet many women in either a seriously looking or a looking to have fun mode.  The important thing is to always be honest about your intentions.

[deden]

To anser your original question, I agree that you are better off being honest.  But your response does have to be more than "yep, that's the plan".  You need to explain to her that you are serious about finding a lady to be your your life partner (if that really is your intent).   And since you only have limitied time to do this in, you cannot reasonably expect the first one you meet in person will be that one.  But also explain to her how this benefits her in the fact that if you decide she is the one, it is because you have met others and truly know she is the one and as a result of your meeting others, she will never have to question your decision in why you chose her.  And ask her, wouldn't you want to make sure that the man who proposes to you truly believes that after having met other women that he is doing so because of his heart and not because you are the only women he meets?  Trust and self confidence must begin at the beginning of a relationship.  She should trust and confidence that if she is your ideal lady, it won't matter who you meet because you will come back to her.

Now, truly if a women can't accept that (and of course you should be able to accept the fact she may want to meet another man while you are there), than she is seeking you possibly because love is not at the top of her list of reasons for meeting you.

Don't let the others kid you about the numbers you have met without success.  The point is to find the one that is right for you, not settle for the one that is next best.  You have to do this your way even if it is taking a longer or indirect path.

Just 2.5 kopecks from a guy who doesn't know crap!

[Fiorella]

Guys, Albert said that he doesn't look for serious relationships and no marriage at all.

[jb]

And I'm sure he will find exactly what he's looking for,  love/sex for a price.  I feel sorry for a man in this position, he will never know how good it can be.

[Fiorella]

And I'm sure he will find exactly what he's looking for, love/sex for a price. I feel sorry for a man in this position, he will never know how good it can be.

And why should woman who is looking for family waste her time with him?

[philb]

I agree.  I hope he does not meet a decent girl. He wants us to answer his question.  The only question he is asking is this, should I lie or should I tell the truth. What kind of guy (I am reluctant to use the word man) ,makes a post like this? (see below)

Posted by Albert on February 5, 2005

"I have had first dates with over 150 women in FSU.  I have visited several cities in Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Russia, Belaurus, and Ukraine.  I go for business first, and meet with ladies on all trips because I like women.  I am not looking for a wife, but I am not adverse to getting married.  I follow Dan's rule to 'treat international dating same as local dating.'   To me that means enjoying dates and the marriage thoughts will come later.  Of the 150 women, I have been intimate with 37 of them . . .  yes, I do keep track of this.  And my women were aged 35-51."


http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/view_topic.php?id=110&forum_id=6&jump_to=1042#p1042

Yes, I guess he does keep track

The capital L in the middle of his forehead is clearly visible to me from where I sit.

[TheArrow]

Well........ Let him do what he wants, guys!

He has bonked one half of middle-age female population in Russia. But he's still asking 'bout suggestions.

Hey, guy, I will cite one more Russian saying for you - Take the flag and the drum, and head the delegation of men who were told "Get lost". This is not the offence, this is just a slang joke for womanizers.

Americans talk alot about "family values" but, I think, American Institute of Marriage has failed long ago.

And big "Thanks" to all Russian "easy-to-get" women, too. American judge ALL Russian women according to them. :?

[BC]

Well........ Let him do what he wants, guys!

He has bonked one half of middle-age female population in Russia. But he's still asking 'bout suggestions.

I really like RU accent when a woman speaks but add British/English on top.. wow!

[deden]

What goes around comes around.  With AIDS on the rise in the FSU, probably more sooner than later he'll "bonk" a hooker with AIDS that belongs to an agency that he mistook as an innocent sweet lady that somehow didn't seem to mind having casual sex after the first date or two.  Truely immature to tout how many he alegedly has had sex with.  LOL, I sure wouldn't be bragging that I had to pay to go to the FSU to have sex with a 51 year old grandmother.  Guess he couldn't even get that here!  Man, that's really bad.

[TheArrow]

What goes around comes around.  With AIDS on the rise in the FSU, probably more sooner than later he'll "bonk" a hooker with AIDS that belongs to an agency that he mistook as an innocent sweet lady that somehow didn't seem to mind having casual sex after the first date or two.  Truely immature to tout how many he alegedly has had sex with.  LOL, I sure wouldn't be bragging that I had to pay to go to the FSU to have sex with a 51 year old grandmother.  Guess he couldn't even get that here!  Man, that's really bad.

 

Let's present him a big box of condoms, lol

[TheArrow]

I really like RU accent when a woman speaks but add British/English on top.. wow!

 

Sorry if my English is not good enough.

[BC]

Nothing to apologize for.. I think it's great