New Guy needs help--RussianUkraine babes for real?

[I/O]

Stirlitz,
thanks; hey i like your avatar! very cool!

Sandro43,
be happy don't worry! I am talking to my buds! You dont talk to your mother the same as you talk to you buddies do you? Of course not, I will take that as a help of correction! I am who I am!
  But thanks I think!

Itdaddy You asked the question, where is the cliff?  I kind of tried to throw a hint up thread.  You're teattering on the edge of the first cliff right now, that is just above the ocean of those who will take the bat to you very seriously.  That's not much fun but it will pass.  The second is the more problematic. If you survive the first and don't get it, then the second one might well cost you a mimimum of 50% of anything which is yours, plus a lot lot more.  Thinking time.

All the best

I/O

[KenC]

Itdaddy,
I was a single Dad to a teenage son through his highschool years and into his second year of college.  Your idea of putting your life on hold until he graduates is ridiculous.  It just needs to be handled well.  If anyone can understand a males need for a little lovin, it is a teenage boy!  I remember my talk with my son soon after my divorce from his mom.  I was about to start dating and I wanted him to be informed.  He was 15 at the time.  I said, "Son you know how much you think about girls?  I remember when I was 15 and it was about every 30 seconds.  Well, I too have those exact same thoughts, just not that often!"  We went on to have quite an in depth conversation about me dating.  You have to bridge two different problems in this conversation.  #1 All kids hope that their divorced parents will some how re-unite.  That is the heartbreaker for him.  #2 You have to make him view you as a man with sexual needs.  That is a picture that he probably never even considered.

As my son matured and entered into his own dating period, we bonded even more.  We were (and still are) very close.  But our relationship did change through this period. We became more "man friends."  We still maintained our closeness and he still came to Dad with all his questions and problems (as he should) but there developed a little bit of male camaraderie too.  I dare say that he even got more than a few good pointers on how to romance a female from his dear ol Dad too.  The results of all this, is that my son and I even became closer than before and I think this sharing even helped him.  Teenagers are very selfish by nature and for him to be forced to face that their Dad is human, with human needs and desires helps them to think about someone else besides themself.  BTW, he is now a rather successful financially secure college grad and still calls pops for advice on the many young hotties he dates.  (We should have such "problems!")

I know that is a lot of blah blah blah, but the conclusion is that you gotta be nuts to wait IMHO. 
KenC

[William3rd]

Methinks ITDADDY listens to Dr. Laura too much.

I have a 13 year old and a 17 year old. There is no need to wait to start the hunt. Unless there are some family court issues such as custody or the like. . . .

[itdaddy]

KenC
wow, well said like a true father. thank you very much for that.
it hit home! i can do that with my son! thank you

I/O
thank you i think? you philosoher you!

Stirlitz
I still like your pic cause it reminds me what Thomas Jeffereson once said something like "sharp shooting creates in a man a sharp mind!" something like that! gunz are cool!

Willam3rd
thank you as well for the father tip!

RW/UW watch out!
thanks for all the great stuff!

And to all I seem to offend for some reason! I dont mean to. You have to be upbeat today in this world! It can be very dark and scary. I would rather l laugh of the scary stuff. That is just me!
Laughing is my strength! It is a strong for for me!

 

[Kuna]

IT Daddy...  maybe the guys are giving you hints or advice about "laughing at stuff" because they sense it wouldn't go down well with a RW???

I know the ones I'm communicating with have great senses of humour but it's definitely a different sense of humour.

You certainly seem upbeat and maybe that's a good thing in your home town.  In Australia we're a bit more laid back in our humour so after a while it would probably give me high blood pressure...  In FSU they might view it differently again.

Lots of profiles talk about girls wanting to meet a "serious" man.  I don't think that refers to someone that frowns all the time but equally they may not be convinced you're "serious" if you joke the majority of the time either.

Just my thoughts...

Kuna

[Valera Kiev]

Hello Buddy!
I am Ukrainian guy,live in capital of Ukraine Kiev.
Our girls really very hot,sometime too much hot.
I provide my service in accommodation,transportation ,translation in last 4 years.I saw many stories,some with happy end.But in first time when you come here don't be naive too much.Stop dreaming about unbelievable beauty.Here also we have many reach guys,hansom and young.They like you also searching ....
When you mailing with them you have remember you came to large  system,such provide one important think- make from you caw, such can give to them golden milk/ I mean $/.After, if you are really lucky boy, you can open hard of some chick and later, if you be cheap it never happened,later start build relationship and marriage.Of coarse you have come in Ukraine.If you want catch maximum from trip in Ukraine you have to think about /write you below/
 1.Don't move from Kiev.
2.Invite them all in Kiev.
3.Never send them money up front./better loose it in casino/
4.Propose to girls give money from hand to hand/first baby has to show you ticket/
 Remember one statistic : a)normal girl always come by train/in Kiev by metro/
                                       b)sugar Queen - by airplane
                                       c)scammer - by taxi
5.Don't kill your time only for one girl/statistically it be just date ore more,and you meet scamer,because they have so sweet personality and all guys choosing them( I don't know why,may be they hot)/
6.As soon as possible try to check maximum.Never afraid to say you are met some girls before.Of coarse ,you looking for wife,and to be sure you must do long selection.
7.If she want can come with interpreter.
8.Remember - interpreter like referee always on side of girl.Do you know why?Because 99% interpreters young girls,such have only one reason- kill more time/time is money/They don't care about result,they care about time/time is money/
They can speak with you about blah,blah and so on.
Some ok.
I can write you many ,if you wish ask me by e-mail rutto2003@yahoo.com

[Turboguy]

Welcome to RWD Val,  When you have time you should post a little intro and information about yourself.  You sound like you have a good handle on things. 

I like the things you said and you have touched upon a few things that are true that I seldom hear.   I think you are correct that there is a lot of good logic to bringing the gals to Kiev.  That method solves a lot of problems that relate to WMMM.  You can sit in one spot and not have to waste time traveling and negotiating a train system that is hard to understand if you can't read what is written on your ticket.   It is much easier to tell gal "A" to come to Kiev for three days and gal "B" to come to Kiev for three days starting when gal "A" leaves.   Train fare is economical and the gals will travel to see you.   Of course it is not practical if you are doing the power dating thing with gals from another city but for the right situation it is a really efficient way to go.

[Stirlitz]

1.Don't move from Kiev.
2.Invite them all in Kiev.

I disagree. I believe that it is important to meet girls where they live, at least once. You can learn a lot about them this way.

But I basically second the rest of the points; except for that —

4.Propose to girls give money from hand to hand/first baby has to show you ticket

— too awkward in reality, even though it probably makes sense, theoretically.

[Turboguy]

I think it is important to visit the gal and meet her family but I don't think it is important for it to be during the first and early stages of getting to know someone.

If I have been writing someone for a while, sending the travel money ahead has never created a problem for me.  I have never had one take the money and not show up.

[I/O]

If I have been writing someone for a while, sending the travel money ahead has never created a problem for me.  I have never had one take the money and not show up.

T/G You have been at this a lot longer than me, but as blanket advice for a freshman, I have got to seriously challenge the sanity of that. 

I/O

[Turboguy]

I never said it was sane but just that everyone I have ever done this with has shown up.   It has not been someone who approached me on yahoo or someone I have offered to do this with after the second letter.   I will also add that it has been someone where I have approached them on it not the other way around.

If she is buying a ticket trusting you to pay her back or you are sending her the money trusting her to come someone must take a risk.  I can afford it better than she can.  Since she is the one inconveniencing herself in a situation like that it seems more logical for me to take the money risk. 

I am sure if I did it x times and no one ever showed I would look at plan B but the results I had were 100% showing up so for me it was not a problem.   This is something that everyone has to find their own comfort level on.

[itdaddy]

Hey Val
Welcome!
cool insight! nice to here from indigenous people!
awesome!

[Bruce]

Val, thanks for the post.  A lot of great information for the newbie like:

"5.Don't kill your time only for one girl/statistically it be just date ore more,and you meet scamer,because they have so sweet personality and all guys choosing them( I don't know why,may be they hot)/"


"6.As soon as possible try to check maximum.Never afraid to say you are met some girls before.Of coarse ,you looking for wife,and to be sure you must do long selection."

[Rumpy]

T/G You have been at this a lot longer than me, but as blanket advice for a freshman, I have got to seriously challenge the sanity of that. 

I/O

I guess what my first thought is ,how much is travel money for a bus or train,,20-30$,,,If thats all it is ,I drink that at the pub in 2 hours ,,thats like throw away money. From what I am reading about areas on line and there economic levels. They probably cant even buy a ticket, if you find a woman thats from a rural area.I was looking on line and the average wage is 100 dollars a month for a woman in Moldova,but thats worst case

[Kuna]

Rumpy,

I agree with I/O and if you read the 10 Commandments again you'll see that #1 says NEVER send money to someone you've never met.

Seriously though, I've got 2 girls coming from different cities to meet me in Kiev and neither have asked for money for tickets or for anything else.

You'll read in many posts here by married men that they believe a "GOOD" RW would never ask for money. It's a pride thing.

They'll find the money for the train tickets and you can reimburse them when they arrive.

Kuna

[I/O]

I guess what my first thought is ,how much is travel money for a bus or train,,20-30$,,,If thats all it is ,I drink that at the pub in 2 hours ,,thats like throw away money. From what I am reading about areas on line and there economic levels. They probably cant even buy a ticket, if you find a woman thats from a rural area.I was looking on line and the average wage is 100 dollars a month for a woman in Moldova,but thats worst case

I hope T/G reads this very carefully.  Yeah..sure, 20 bucks is throw away money, and so is 120 and so it goes. Hey why not send her a grand,  just in case she has a problem with the train and needs to fly.  Better still, send two grand and she'll get that visa and fly to meet you.  Now ain't that just hunky dory, now you can sit at home and wait for her to arrive.  Where are you going to draw the line? Get a clue.  It is dumb.

I/O

[vwrw]

From Valera Kiev:
1. Don’t move from Kiev.
2. Invite them all in Kiev.

I personally have nothing against WMVW method. But so as my city has own airport I would certainly refuse if man offered me to meet him another city. It could sound to me as I am not worthy his efforts to travel to my city.

From Valera Kiev:
6. As soon as possible try to check maximum. Never afraid to say you are met some girls before. Of course, you looking for wife, and to be sure you must do long selection.

It is okay, if man says he have met women before. But never say women… to be sure you need to do long selection…if you do not want her to think – probably, he is stupid if during meeting he cannot see how wonderful, amazing and special I am.

[Rumpy]

I hope T/G reads this very carefully.  Yeah..sure, 20 bucks is throw away money, and so is 120 and so it goes. Hey why not send her a grand,  just in case she has a problem with the train and needs to fly.  Better still, send two grand and she'll get that visa and fly to meet you.  Now ain't that just hunky dory, now you can sit at home and wait for her to arrive.  Where are you going to draw the line? Get a clue.  It is dumb.

I/O

I got it!!!  NO MONEY PERIOD !!!

[Rvrwind]

I got it!!!  NO MONEY PERIOD !!!

By Golly, I think he got it!!!  ROTF

[I/O]

By Golly, I think he got it!!!  ROTF

Well, I guess that's one.   

[acappelli]

good post 

[David1963]

By Golly, I think he got it!!!  ROTF

I disagree here.  If you invite a lady to visit you in another city than her own, you should offer to send her money for the ticket.  Really, you should be visiting her in her city like VWRW said.

This would be one of the very few exceptions to the sending money rule.

You will also learn a lot about the lady.  If she refuses the money and pays her way that shows you something.  If she scams you, you learn tha with a few dollars spent.  If she says she wants to fly instead of take the train, that shows you something else.

If the distance is far and you refuse to fly and see her, that shows her something about you.  If she asks for money for a train ticket and you don't send it to her, that will also show her something about you.

Either way will be a learning experience about a persons character and personality.  Moving forward, if someone is hurt, they can't say they were fooled about someones character because it was displayed in this exchange.

[I/O]

I disagree here.  If you invite a lady to visit you in another city than her own, you should offer to send her money for the ticket.  Really, you should be visiting her in her city like VWRW said.

This would be one of the very few exceptions to the sending money rule.

You will also learn a lot about the lady.  If she refuses the money and pays her way that shows you something.  If she scams you, you learn tha with a few dollars spent.  If she says she wants to fly instead of take the train, that shows you something else.

If the distance is far and you refuse to fly and see her, that shows her something about you.  If she asks for money for a train ticket and you don't send it to her, that will also show her something about you.

Either way will be a learning experience about a persons character and personality.  Moving forward, if someone is hurt, they can't say they were fooled about someones character because it was displayed in this exchange.

Well as I said before, that's one.  All these nice, warm and fuzzy notions amuse me.  Actually, that's a lie, they annoy me.  If those who have some on the ground knowledge want to go down this road, that is their own call, but to preach sending money in any way shape or form to the freshman is irresponsible at best. 

It's ok Dan....just edit the commendments rules and say, yep send money.  Send 20 bucks first and if she is happy with that then send as much as you can.  That'll work.  Helps the Eastern Economies and makes USA and the allies more popular.  Look now everyone wins out of this.  Just hunky dory.

Get a clue man.......If she can afford $1 - $1.50 per hour for internet access, she will find 20 bucks for a train ticket and 20 bucks can get you from Lugansk to Odessa.  Not many travel much further than that for a meeting.  The time to put money in her hand is when you can do just that.

Age old story.  Some get it and some don't.


I/O

[William3rd]

Here is my few cents worth.

You never send money to someone until you met them.

However, if you are going to have someone travel to come meet you, then you pay her travel costs, hotel room and any other expenses incidental to the trip.

Thus-if you are in Kiev and you want a girl to travel from Odessa to meet you, you should expect to pay.

There have been enough cheapskates and pikers there ahead of you to warrant their own ten commandments on international dating for the women.

And by the way, guys, lest we forget-chez McDonalds does not cut it for a date either here or there.

[Photo Guy]

Yes, I should've visited her in her smokey town, but instead I sent her money for
her train to Kiev.  Sending her money wasn't a problem. After three months of
corresponding, I knew I could trust her with the train fare.