Childish Bickering

[Vaughn]

Just as a thought, let me suggest some here visit the thread
Posting Pictures of You and Your Lady in the Married section,
and read it through (while enjoying some VERY nice fotki).
Someone remarked several pages deep that "HEY - nobody's
arguing - ain't THIS a grand treat?"

Might help some of us breathe easily for awhile.

[Bruno]

One of the big difficulties I have found here, is the different styles and understandings of writings and this is exhasebated by differences in UK and USA English.

And don't forget the Frenchglish..... very different from Uk, US or OZ english 

[Turboguy]

Turboguy, did you miss all those posts where Jinx initiates arguments and insults other people.  The guy who said there is something sleazy about agency parties, and by implication the girls that attend them...that they are not good girls.  My wife was one of those girls, BTW.

I could name another half dozen attacks by your friend Jinx.  And BTW- he was NOT correct about the sponsorship issue you mention. And he was NOT right suggesting the lottery is a viable way of getting a girl to the US.

So give me JB any day....at least he posts good and accurate information.

And NO, I do not like bickering. That is why I will defend anyone here at RWD who is attacked.

And BTW- correcting inaccurate posts is not bickering.

Darth, I was probably the main one that Jinx was arguing with in the agency thing.  I remember it.  I have to agree with him that he said it was a sleazy way to meet women and not that the women who attend were sleazy but I don't want to re-hash old arguments.  I think this thread needs to be about bickering and not get sidetracked to parties or sponsorship that have already been talked to death.  I think the same applies to the sponsorship thing.  Lets not get into it.  He provided a lot of factual proof in his argument.  If we need to discuss it more lets re-open that thread not talk about it here.  I do think mentioning the situations that caused the problems is fine though.

My suggestion I made before was that Jinx needs to let his anger pass too over the things that have happened.  Yes, he tends to slide in a little jab when he is trying to make a point and my own thoughts are that they stir things up and I suggested he should not do that if he too wants less bickering here.

I too try to come to the aid of someone who is attacked.  Let me ask you this though Darth,  does anyone really deserve to be attacked?   That is assuming they are not attacking others, not a troll, behaving in a civil fashion and all that.  Maybe a situtation where they are just making a mistake but not forcing their opinion on others.

[aikorob]

Dan---is there a time out corner on the forum?

I am a member of about a dozen or so different forums, and they have similar problems---new guys ask the same questions that have been asked 47 million times before; and the old hands get exasperated that: A)no one reads the other posts before asking questions B)the new guys KNOW their way is better C) everyone complains when the results are like the experienced hands predicted.  On just about every other forum I read, I have noticed the same thing--- the most experienced guys seldom post anymore, unless it is on a specific item they know---no more general info type stuff. I guess they have given up beating their heads against a wall.

Most personal attacks I have observed online usually come when someone doesn't want to be confused with the facts; and resorts to the cheap shots. Face it, in the grand scheme of things; what does it matter if someone causes you grief on line? BIG FAT HAIRY DEAL    In all of the years on here, I have actually met only 2 members Jerry and Donna Pedro---the chances of me meeting more than a handful --and actually caring what they think of me are pretty slim. Like Jack said upthread--you are going to need a thick skin in the FSU.

Reading ANY public forum is like panning for gold--you are going to go through a lot of dirt to find something good. Most of the time you through the whole pan away--sometimes there a few flakes---and every so often,you find a nugget to keep. You just have to ignore the dirt--it comes with the territory.

Aikorob, who is going to return to his cave and wait on the @#$%*&^$ Odessa officials to issue her documents   (apologies to I/O  )

[KenC]

KenC,

 I wasn't talking about myself at all, I was thinking of Kuna, Rivardco, I/O, and others. That kind of insult from you is exactly what we are talking about here Ken, I guess you just don't get it.

 I also didn't say ALL the old guard feels threatened, but jb has made it obvious that he is trying to hold onto something and has made attempts to discredit and attack many, if not all the new and frequent posters. Ken, I haven't seen you do this at all, you seem to have welcomed them like I have.
 
 Since we are getting things off our chest, tell me KenC what is it exactly about me that you seem to despise so much? I know you were upset about my victory dance over jb in that other topic, but really it's been over awhile now. Why do you constantly jump in as far as jb and I are concerned? We are big boys and can handle our own differences in opinion.

 I have never said anything bad about you, and have actually said many times that you give out some great advice. I've tried to keep things light with you, even trying to talk sports, like guys that don't have much in common usually do, I'm not trying to be your adversary, I wish you would just give me a break sometimes, I don't claim to know everything, and I don't think I come off that way. What's the deal? Why the animosity?

Jinx,
As I posted up thread:

"Jinx- is so blinded by his hatered for jb that he cannot think straight.  I think he searches out jb's post just to aggravate him.  It is clear that his goal is to make jb's life here as miserable as possible. (and it is getting very old)"

I have a great suggestion for you; put jb on ignore  and never post the letters "jb" again.  You may not realize just how transparent your posts are to the fact that you don't like jb and still hold a grudge.  For the record, jb is a grizzly ol fart with an ugly disposition at times.  His posts can be insulting and uncalled for.  His latest "cut your throat" comment was waaaay over the line. But (and there is a huge "but" here) through the years I and most every senior member here understands that jb knows his sh!t and has been 100% (minus 1) correct in his information.  We accept jb's rough and tumble posts because we know he will never change and it is a small price to pay for the wealth of information and good advice he freely doles out.  jb is a decent good man with a tough demeanor, and he would be the first guy on this forum I would pick to be in a foxhole with.  I never met the man (which I would like to change) and only spoke once to him on the phone, but I have followed his posts on here and elsewhere for years.

You once asked me if I was jb's lawyer, and yeah, maybe I am.  He never asked me to help him and I am certain the man can speak for himself.  I have asked him for help a few times, because I was just not able to communicate my thoughts clearly enough for some to understand and he did respond in a way I couldn't begin to explain.  The man is brilliant.  Period.

I also  felt it necessary to stand up for jb when you, PG and El Rock attacked the sh!t out him when he took a short break from the board.  You three acted like jackals attacking a fallen lion.  So brave of you three to wait until he was gone.

Other than your jb-itis, you're OK Jinx.  A little full of yourself, but so was I at your age.  I too thought I knew everything, now I am older wiser and know that I still don't know sh!t.
KenC

[I/O]

The Aussie boys are a welcome hoot from downunder And Rivardco has made some of the most intelligent posts I have seen in a long time.  Of course O/I has tons of experience

Thanks for the compliment Ken, but I never came here looking for any accolades. Period.   If the little bit mine and I have picked up along the way is useful to others then great.  If it doesn't apply to your (Nobody in particular and everyone in general) style, then toss it out.

The motivator which finally prompted me to join in here was that I noticed an international forum which is largely USA dominated.  Nothing wrong with that, (We have one down here which sometimes suffers from the same thing) but I also noticed some frustration in trying to get universially valid points across to some.  From a single culture or country, we sometimes become a little channelised in our thinking and it is sometimes helpful to have a different style spin the same facts.

I might claim some experience with international travel and to some extent the FSU, which is far bigger than Russia, maybe a little with meeting FSU women, and if a few weeks/months sharing home with an FSU lady is worth anything in here, then something there also.  I don't profess to know anything of being married to a Russian or FSU lady, thus I restrict my direct advice to subjects I know something about.

Nevertheless, I will from time to time make comment or perhaps even challenge some of the older hands in their areas of experience/expertise for 2 reasons.  1) I either doubt or don't understand and I want clarification.  2) It keeps them on their metal and as such keeps them discorsing good and valid information.  Example: the wmvm thread included some jousting between KenC and myself.  The important thing to come out of that was 2 fold, 1 is that KenC somewhere along the way threw up what I from some experience think is a very viable plan for a new comer.  It also at another point showed, KenC, hard headed as he is, has an ability to see another view and as such adds an awful lot of credibility to his own statements.  (No hot air being blown up anyones ### here, just a statement of fact)

Unprovoked attacks and responses based on personal, cultural or nationalistic fettishes are of no value to anyone and completely cloud the entire process for almost everyone.  There are ways and means of getting a point across which are acceptable to all, even if sometimes they sting a little.  The civility of this thread in the latter stages proves that it is possible.

Some direct advice and a quote: George Morris, one time coach or the USA Olympic showjumping team: :"Always rub shoulders with those better than yourself.  I am on top because the people I teach are better than me"

May the navel gazing continue.

I/O

[Darth Vader]

 Look, lets end this "sleazy" quote once and for all. I said I thought meeting women at tour parties was a somewhat sleazy way to meet. I'M SORRY! I said the wrong words, I didn't mean to offend the women at the parties, and I really apologize for offending your wife. I screwed up, I can admit it, can we PLEASE drop it?

Thanks, Jinx.  Good luck to you and yours....

may the force be with you.

[IAmZon]

This adventure requires a think skin for sure!  Patients and Tolerance not far behind.