One of many reasons why Russian women can not find a Russian husband

[TheArrow]

Arrow,

 If you look back over some of the posts on this and other threads, then I hope you will discover some of the reasons many AM decide NOT to pursue AW. But incase you are too lazy let me say that the VAST majority of AW are self centered, fat, feminists with a serious case of PMS. If the AW is at all attractive she believes that AM should fall at her feet and worship the ground she walks on and that is just the beginning. All to many attractive AM (yes there are a few) are simply looking for a suger daddy, someone who will cater to their every whim, spend lavish amounts of money on them or better yet let them spend as much as they want whenever they want. They have no real desire to have a family and use children as the hook to hold onto the man.

 Sorry Atrrow but you have no idea what the VAST majority of AW are truly like.

 

1. Wht are you so aggressive towards to me, sorry?

2. Women with PMS and other staff are everywhere, by the way. But read my new thread - Financial issues - and tell me, could you support your Russian wife if you earn, for example $40 000/year and you have only $77 in the end after you have paid all taxes and etc...

I do not want to offend you - I just want to understand - is it possible to have only $77/month  - the lipstick costs about $10, the shampoo..... and etc.

[TigerPaws]

1. Wht are you so aggressive towards to me, sorry?

 Because you do NO NOT have a clue what you are talking about when you refer to AW. Have you EVER been to America? I guarantee if you were to spend 6 months in Los Angeles you would came away with a vastly different view of AW, until then your opinion is of little value.

 

[TheArrow]

1. Wht are you so aggressive towards to me, sorry?

 Because you do NO NOT have a clue what you are talking about when you refer to AW. Have you EVER been to America? I guarantee if you were to spend 6 months in Los Angeles you would came away with a vastly different view of AW, until then your opinion is of little value.

 
[/quote]Have you ever LIVED in Russia? I do not mean your dating trips to FSU. Have you ever seen Russian women and men - I do not mean those women who you have met with the help of any agency. I have talked to American women on the Net and I can say, they are all different - some of them are bossy a little, another are like Russian women, some of them are too self-confident. All depends on person - but according to your views - all American women are bad and all American men are saints.

[TigerPaws]

Have you ever LIVED in Russia? I do not mean your dating trips to FSU. Have you ever seen Russian women and men - I do not mean those women who you have met with the help of any agency. I have talked to American women on the Net and I can say, they are all different - some of them are bossy a little, another are like Russian women, some of them are too self-confident. All depends on person - but according to your views - all American women are bad and all American men are saints.

 Yes as a matter of fact I lived in Russia for 3 years, between Moscow, Perm and Krasnoyarsk. How long have you lived in America Arrow?

 I did not use and agency.

 Talked to AW on the net: Wow I am impressed, now trying actually meeting and living with some in America then you can speak intelligently.

 I never said the word ALL Arrow, just most or the vast majority.

[TheArrow]

Talked to AW on the net: Wow I am impressed, now trying actually meeting and living with some in America then you can speak intelligently.

Sorry, but I am not interested in women. My sexual orientation is straight:)

You lived in Russia - so tell me, were all people you met good? If they were - that was coz you are the foreigner. But if you were Russia you'd get another result, sorry.

And saying frankly, I have never had any idea either of visiting the States or even living there. But my American friends visited me - so I know a little about living in The States.

[TigerPaws]

Sorry, but I am not interested in women. My sexual orientation is straight:)

And saying frankly, I have never had any idea either of visiting the States or even living there. But my American friends visited me - so I know a little about living in The States.

 Sorry please forgive me I did not realize you are a female, now i understand why you do not kow what you are talking about.

  "so I know a little about living in The States" Yes VERY little.

[wxman]

1. Wht are you so aggressive towards to me, sorry?

 Because you do NO NOT have a clue what you are talking about when you refer to AW. Have you EVER been to America? I guarantee if you were to spend 6 months in Los Angeles you would came away with a vastly different view of AW, until then your opinion is of little value.

 
[/quote]I have not live in southern california, and from what i hear, TigerPaws is right abouth the women there. They are superficial, just like many of the men. Life is purely driven by money and looks there. If you were to stick a pin in the people there they would pop like a balloon. Nothing on the inside. however, I have lived in many places across the USA, from the deep south, to the far north to the east coast, etc and I would say most of the woemn are not as bad as described.

[TheArrow]

Sorry, but I am not interested in women. My sexual orientation is straight:)

And saying frankly, I have never had any idea either of visiting the States or even living there. But my American friends visited me - so I know a little about living in The States.

 Sorry please forgive me I did not realize you are a female, now i understand why you do not kow what you are talking about.

  "so I know a little about living in The States" Yes VERY little.
[/quote]
Yes, I am a woman. A 36 years old woman, very pretty, look younger than 36, well-educated, speak English quite fluently.

You are pardoned.

[anono]

AW... sigh..  i have written about AW on RWG and i will again here, briefly.

everything i am about to say is "generally speaking". there are good AW, they are just hard to find.

as mentioned above. most are overweight, do not take much pride in their appearance, compared to most R/UW, they are under-educated. the same can be said about AM.

i am 48, just shy of six feet tall, i weigh 165-170 lbs. i work out three times a week with a trainer, a former mr. southern IL. so i take care of myself and my appearance. if you want to date attractive woman, it helps to take care of yourself. i get a manicure on a regular basis.

my online experience with AW has been one of insults, unwarranted suspicions ("you could be an axe murderer!"), insults excused as "jokes". most AW are suffering from the result of their own bad choices, which they then try to lay on me. i have been "warned" by AW on how to behave and it is based on their exhusbands behavior. i have been told what i think without being asked, why i am the way they perceive me to be without any inquiry, without any effort to ask me. and if asked, i am then doubted or treated as a liar. i have never, not once, in over two years of involvement with R/UW been treated badly or in any way like i have been by AW.

when i see AW on the street, even the most average of them think they are god's gift. i have been with an average AW and go to the restroom only to return and be told how some guy with his two front teeth missing thinks she is "beautiful".

then there is their attitude. a friend of mine simply says they "lack civility".

where else am i going to find educated, intelligent sometimes much younger ladies who treat me with at least some respect, ask me questions when they want to know something and generally treat me with the civility so lacking in AW? AW will tell you all these ladies are "desperate", the only want our money and/or to  come to the USA. this just reveals their complete and utter ignorance. this is told to me by AW in spite of the fact they know nothing of russia and i doubt the even know where ukraine is located. this told to me without any regard to my having spent nearly a year in the FSU over the past two years. they, as usual, think they know better than i do.

like most men who have made the trip, i will never, ever, in a million years go back to dating AW. i do not care if they approach me and make it easy for me. i know what lies beneath. i have dated several hundred AW and have found maybe three i would care to have a long term relationship.

[acrzybear]

other than my two sisters, i have not met an AW in the past 15 years i'd want to wake up next to on a regular basis.

wait a second..that doesn't sound right...lol

Just what state are you originally from?? 

 

[Fiorella]

If the AW is at all attractive she believes that AM should fall at her feet and worship the ground she walks on and that is just the beginning. All to many attractive AM (yes there are a few) are simply looking for a suger daddy, someone who will cater to their every whim, spend lavish amounts of money on them or better yet let them spend as much as they want whenever they want.

If you try to read forums of russian women who look for western husbands you will see that it is exactly the same pictures there. They all feel themselves as princesses just because they are "russian-most beautiful-traditional-women".

[tim 360]

Well,  I don't know Anno?  I do think there are some marvelous AW's here in the USA and I have met quite a few,  of course they are already married.  But I do believe there are some great unmarried ones out there too.  However,  being at the right place at the right time to meet one could be difficult.  There are many things which I have never personally seen or experienced,  which I am confident do exist.  

[jb]

Tim360

I have met quite a few,  of course they are already married.

With that, you have squarely hit the nail on the head. The good ones get married and stay married.  

There is a vast heartland of these US of A where the bulk of our population lives.  Therein lies the home of the "good AW". Unfortunately, if you are 40+ and divorced, living in a metropolitian area, these young women will have nothing to do with you.  The single women you will find in the huge metroplex areas are playing "root hog or die" with the men.  After you start the culling process of these city women, you have to eliminate the single welfare mothers, trailer trash, etc., you find the biggest percentage of single females are not of European caucasian extraction.  If you are a single white male who wants to marry within his own race then your choices become very limited, and the competition for these available females is huge.

These are some of the reasons Bruno's stats do not apply and he doesn't fully understand the difficulties AM face.  He lives in a country the size of Rhode Island where he could travel anyplace in a few hours, we do not have such a luxury.  Distances here can be daunting.  Then suppose you do find a decent woman somewhere, will she be willing to uproot her life and move to your town?  Add another good reason to search the FSU for a mate, these are women who have predetermined the need to move to a new home.

[BC]

jb,

You must have been reading my thoughts.. all quite true.. guess for the 40's guy divorcing is sort of like abandoning ship in cold waters..

[anono]

i did say, good AW exist but, i did not add, most are married. someone found them long before i got there and were smart enough to treat them well and keep them.

[anono]

in response to fiorella, i would MUCH rather spend my time, money and attention on a R/UW. if i am going to do something like that, it'll have to be with the best i can find. so far, R/UW are the most beautiful i have dated.

to be fair, the few AW i dated for any length of time were beauties too. i was lucky. 

[ConnerVT]

anono and jb's comments are on the spot.  And I will add my insight to dating AW vs. RW.

I did not marry a Russian woman by initially looking for love in Russia.  I was in my early 40's, never married, and live in one of the most rural states in the US.  I know many attractive and 'good' AW, as as stated before, almost everyone of them has been married for some time now.

As a person gets older, it becomes much more difficult even to meet people in the US these days.  Life in the US is pretty isolated, even in the larger metro areas.  People are isolated in their cars driving to/from work.  Dating people from work can be difficult, with concerns of repercussions of sexual harassment accusations.  You don't even speak much with your neighbors, people you see in stores, etc.  You don't meet people on the street -- everyone is insulated from one another encased in steel and glass cages.  Even in health clubs, most people behave as the person working out on the equipment next to you is not even there, with their iPod headphones isolating them from interruptions.

Meet people in bars?  You meet drunks and losers.

So I took to the current craze of out times -- Internet dating.  I first started dating women from my area.  Not much to chose from, in both quantity and quality.  I expanded my search geographically.  I began meeting women hundreds of miles away from where I live -- and experienced some of the same things anono speaks of.

Then, as almost all men who Internet date do, I received my first letter from a RW in Penza.  I was cautious, as I had not even thought about a relationship with someone from another country.  But I took things slowly, but after 6 weeks, she was professing her undying love of me and had a travel agency all lined up to arrange her tourist visa.  I don't understand why the gift I sent to her address where she lived with her mother (which she gave me to WU the money for her visa) was an unknown office address in a building that housed a bank. :?

So I decided to travel to Russia (not to see her, of course) to see what this RW thing was all about.  No set plans but to meet some women, and get a better understanding of things.  I met some wonderful women who will make many men happy as their wife.  I met a few good time girls.  I met a couple who would get on an airplane with any WM with a pulse, to be anywhere other than Russia.  I even met one who I'm convinced is mentally ill. 

And I met a very interesting woman whom I traveled to learn more about four more times in one year's time.  So are RW better than AW?  I don't know.  But there was one RW whom I met that I'm convinced is better than any AW I've ever met. :cool:

[Bruno]

TigerPaws wrote :

Bruno,  Once AGAIN you have proven that you do not know WTF you are talking about, try living someplace for a while before speaking about something that you know NOTHING about, please STFU.


JB wrote :

Obviously Bruno does not understand the demographics of the American city, or the thinking processes of Americans. I wish he'd stop trying to ram these silly numbers down our throats to back up some half baked idea of his.

Yep, right, i don't understand American people , i give statistic from US gourverment but because it is not a American who inform them, my info is BS... so, in US, citizen are better informed about statistic that the US gourverment who have all the data...

And for information Tigers, i have life in Galverston and Houston during 6 month in 1990... and i have make a month tourist trip to Galverston in 1992 and 1994... and during these stay, it was not a problem for me to meet and date ( and more ) several US woman... it was so easy to charm them... until they find that American man are not usually romantic people... they use so much time for own work that they have no time for the wife ( yes, in these time, i have flirt with married woman )...

"Sorry please forgive me I did not realize you are a female, now i understand why you do not kow what you are talking about."

Yes, perfect example of why AW use AM... they are real jerk and think that they are superior... is you RW agree with your own meaning over woman...

[Bruno]

you find the biggest percentage of single females are not of European caucasian extraction. If you are a single white male who wants to marry within his own race then your choices become very limited, and the competition for these available females is huge.

These are some of the reasons Bruno's stats do not apply and he doesn't fully understand the difficulties AM face. He lives in a country the size of Rhode Island where he could travel anyplace in a few hours, we do not have such a luxury.

For information, russian people are not caucasion white... the basic origin is from viking, they are slave... a other etnic group... but since the soviet time, russian is a mix of several group ( population mouvment )... the cross of gene... maybe the reason they are so beautifull...

My country is small but this have allow me to have a large view on the world... i have visit almost all the world ( not china and australia )... and this during 9 year... i know more about the world that about my own country...

[Elen]

Always wonder why do you call Caucasians "white" (as we call them "blacks":?)

 

And BTW what do ex-wives of those 40+ divorced AM do? Are they married to more lucky(unlucky) AM or they fed up with AM as well and seeking somewhere abroad?

 

[Photo Guy]

Yes, I am a woman. A 36 years old woman, very pretty, look younger than 36, well-educated, speak English quite fluently.

Hmm. My visual imagination has been activated.

Yes, you are right. These are all generalizations about AW
(and RW)
I have known some amazing AW. We should have married back in the 1970's when we were all single, but my values were not formed yet back then. Now, I know what I want. Many nice AW do not know what they want, and worse than that, they do not want ME to lead them. They want to lead, to nowhere.

I think I can find a wife here. My mind is open. I like the adventure of meeting and loving a Russian woman. It's exciting. I think bringing a UW here to the US to be my wife, will have a postiive affect on society here.
Maybe an injection of RW will help stop the disease. A different point of view is always interesting. The US is a potpourri.  Doug

[ConnerVT]

And BTW what do ex-wives of those 40+ divorced AM do? Are they married to more lucky(unlucky) AM or they fed up with AM as well and seeking somewhere abroad?
 

Many are doing very well on their own with the 50%+ of the assets they ended up with after their divorce.  Now while the ex-husband is busy building up enough resources to perhaps start another family life, they are busy behaving like 20 year old children again.

[Elen]

they are busy behaving like 20 year old children again.

And WHO are they busy with??:D With 20 years old boys?

 

[TigerPaws]

they are busy behaving like 20 year old children again.

And WHO are they busy with??:D With 20 years old boys?

 
[/quote]
Only in their dreams Elen.

 

[ConnerVT]

they are busy behaving like 20 year old children again.

And WHO are they busy with??:D With 20 years old boys?

[/quote]
 

No, they are usually wasting the time of men who are a bit more sincere in their desires to marry and have a good family relationship.  Some men eventually smarten up, and fish in a different pond...