(Sorry for another...) Agency Question (...from another newbie)

[tennis_fan]

Hi guys,

I guess this is a combo post. Half a "Let me introduce myself' and half a "Typical newbie question".  (Maybe I should admit that the only Russian I know is vodka, pirozki, peristroika, Volga, Kornikova, and Sharapova?)  I've loked a lot through the older postings here...it's scary and exciting, i guess even emabarrasing. At first i thought i could figure this out on my own, i mean, the whole process of finding a Russian woman. Since my divorce two yrs ago, I've searched here and there on the internet for info but never posted anywhere. But i guess it was a New years resolution to take more action...and ask for some input. Ok, here's some questions, if its ok...

Can anyone be blunt about the range of money it would take to marry a russian woman? No less than____? no more than____?

A site that interests me is www.fiance.com, because they seem a lot more reasonably priced than some of these other ones charging sometimes $10 per letter. But it's so hard to believe that a lot of the younger women are for real. (There is a forums on fiance.com, but I'm not sure I can expect a straight answer from them, so I'm asking you guys.)

Another site that interests me is http://russianamericanlove.com   ok, I've been using them cause theyre free but has anyone had any success with them?

And that leads me to my last question, because a chick spammed me from that site about another site called www.russianengagement.com and I havent run across them in all my googling the past two years. But they claim they've got Russian women going to parties here in America. But there's no photos and that scares me...

thanks in advance for any and all input guys!

TF

[catzenmouse]

tennis fan,

 Welcome to RWD! You've made a good decision to come here as you will learn more than you ever wanted to know about this adventure.

Lots of good information regarding cost and other things you will come across are in the FAQ section: http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?pid=21

If you find someone through Fiance.com and plan a visit then get the contact information for the local agency that they are working with. Fiance.com affiliates with agencies all over the FSU. I don't know anything about the other agencies.

Ken

[Bruno]

A site that interests me is ... reasonably priced

Step 1 : Read a lot on these forum... it will help you to ready yourself and build a strong skin ( and it is free )

Step 2 : Go to freepersonals.ru and begin write to several women ( it is free too... but if you skip the step one, it can become expensive due to scam )

PS : expense are little for seek a RW... medium when you date... very high during the first two year... high the rest of your life... if you worry about the "little" money for find someone , what it will be for the dating, or the next step...

[Bruce]

i second Bruno's P.S. and if you are talking money now forget it.  Best to stick in your own backyard.  Many guys spend greater than 50K meeting, bringing home and marrying and others as little as 5K.  Luck, how quickly you meet, your spending as well as your girl's spending habits as well as some more luck come into play. 

[El Rock]

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=3689.0

http://www.elenasmodels.com/index.php


Both of these , I like

[TexasBoar]

And that leads me to my last question, because a chick spammed me from that site about another site called www.russianengagement.com and I havent run across them in all my googling the past two years. But they claim they've got Russian women going to parties here in America.

The site says their inaugural (as in FIRST EVER) "party" will be in San Francisco, CA . . . in May of THIS year. For a $1000 fee.

And that the girls will be college age only.

It's an interesting concept, but it flat screams "Green Card Girls" to THIS newbie.

~Boar

[I/O]

Tennis fan Pleased to see you mentioned Sharapova, now there is the best legs since Steffi Graf...!!! 

To your questions, there is a million websites devoted to this cause and all have good and bad aspects.  My advice in general is to avoid the "Pay By the Click or Pay By the Letter" sites.  Any site which allows you direct access to other members for a set fee is IMHO a better way to go.

As for costs, as CaM said, read the FAQ section here and understand that it is a huge investment of time, emotions, resources and perhaps finances.  Quantifying numbers is almost impossible.  There is only one sure fire way to keep your costs under control and that is using a combination of time and knowledge.  Get as much of the latter as possible before you launch into the whole process. 

You'll find the senior members here particularly generous with their advice, so don't be afraid to bring questions to the board as you proceed.  I particularly recommend you find the threads in the "Experienced section"....."Are you ready" and "Russian women are not for everyone".  These threads were launched and led by some of the "Old Hands".

You have been far smarter than many who start this pursuit by coming to a board like this for advice and information.

Welcome and all the best.

I/O

[BillyB]

Welcome tennis fan, don't use any site sent to you by a "woman" you written to. Are you looking for an agency to eventually help you out, including helping you on a future visit to the FSU or do you want to try to meet/correspond with women on your own.

freepersonals.ru and bride.ru are dating sites, don't expect any help from them but  a lot of people use them when they don't want to use an agency. Don't know much about russianamericanlove but like any site, watch for scammers.

This process to marry a RW could be as expensive as you want to fairly cheap if you want to play the visa lottery. I know a man who worked part time and lived in a motor home and he brought a woman from the Philipines over and married her but what are the chances of those two really getting to know each other? Go cheap and your future divorce could get real expensive.

[tennis_fan]

Hi Ken, Thanks for the link.  re: girls on fiance.com  This is probably a dumb question, but what do I do once I get the agency’s contact info? Arrange the trip through them, you mean? (Of course, it’s moot for now because I haven’t joined yet)
Hi Bruno, Thanks for the link to freepersonals.ru ! Psyched to get my feet wet there. And from I’ve learned by reading posts here, I will never send any money ever ever. (Unless a girls asks.....Ok, ok, Just kidding!!)
Hi Bruce, Gulp, thanks for the warning. I’ve got some resources. Not fifty grand, ok, but a stash in any case. I just figure, if there’s a possibility of doing things cheaper, I’m all for it. A penny saved, and all that.

Hi El Rock, What is it specifically that you like about elenasmodels.com ? It seems they offer tours..do you mean you’ve been on theirs specifically? If so, how was it?

Hi TexasBoar, re: russianengagement.com  Why does it scream “green card girls” to you? In some ways, it seems like Russian women who are already here would be less inclined to to marry just for residency. I dont know, I’m too new to this to have a valid opinion...

Hi I/O, Hell yeah, dude, Sharapova rocks. (Though Anna is still my fave.) And thanks for the encouragement and advice!

Hi BillyB, I’m not sure yet even which path I want to take. Which path did you take at first?

[PeeWee]

My theory is that the dumber you are the more money you are destined to spend. Costs can be kept to a minimum if you keep your head. I was trying to think what I have spent to date on the lady that I have dated for the past year. Including two meetings I'd guess at 5K or less. Considering had I met the girl next door and dated her for one year I might have spent about the same because there would have been the weekly, or biweekly dates, gifts, flowers, etc. I might be off base on the AW dating costs because I have not dated an AW for over 6 years. I was thinking that $100.00 per week might be the average. $100.00 times 52 weeks is $5,200. As I said, that is about what I have spent to date with my current RW. Including one trip to Egypt and one trip to Jamaica, several phone calls per week, flowers about every other month. 



Peewee

[catzenmouse]

re: girls on fiance.com  This is probably a dumb question, but what do I do once I get the agency’s contact info? Arrange the trip through them, you mean? (Of course, it’s moot for now because I haven’t joined yet)

No, more of an FYI and it is good to have the names of local agencies if you don't hit it off with the one or ones you are initially writing to. Go to the agency and look through their catalogs. They often have more listings than they post online.

Ken

[TexasBoar]

Hi TexasBoar, re: russianengagement.com  Why does it scream “green card girls” to you? In some ways, it seems like Russian women who are already here would be less inclined to to marry just for residency. I dont know, I’m too new to this to have a valid opinion...

I am too,  most likely, but just thinking logically here, from what the agency's site says it's doing . . . you have 1., college age girls, who most of the experienced hands here have found to be much less serious about marriage, and 2., girls who are here on a student visa that's about to expire and who want to stay in the US.

IMHO, and from what I've gleaned from the "elders" here, if citizenship rather than YOU is a girl's primary motivation in pursuing the relationship . . . that's a recipe for disaster known as the GCG.  It just looks to me like that's the kind of girl a program like theirs is tailor-made to attract: here now, don't wanna go home, you'll do. 

I could be wrong.  It's certainly happened before. 

~Boar

[catzenmouse]

Ah So, Grasshopper! You have been listening... 

It just looks to me like that's the kind of girl a program like theirs is tailor-made to attract: here now, don't wanna go home, you'll do. 

[Kuna]

TennisFan,

Welcome to RWD.  Sorry for my "out of step" post (because I see you'vwe already had some good advice) but I've been kinda busy for the past few days...    Long story, I'll tell more about it in another post.

Anyway...  about your question on agencies and cost...

I think before you make a decision on agencies you've really got to have a think of which method of meeting women suits you best.

You can:

Write to girls from agencies and choose one to visit (WMVO);
Write to girls from agencies and chose to visit many (WMVM);
Write to none, treat it as a holiday and go to an agency you like and they'll arrange meetings when you're on the ground.  Find someonee with reciprocated interest and you're off an away.

There's so many methods of meeting and after my experiences on my first trip I intend writing my ideas down once I get home... but you need to have a think about your dating style at home,  communication ability, what you want in a girl, etc... AND THEN CHOOSE AN AGENCY THAT HAS THE BEST SERVICES FOR YOU!

If you want to ignore the above advice you can jump in and start like I did... but I wish I'd had the benefit of hindsight before I started...

I used Elena's Models and found many REAL women there...

I also used freepersonals.ru and found one gem... but a few scammers!

Regarding cost???  It's up to you.  If you want to minimise expense on your trip I'd go to the smaller cities because I've found Kiev to be expensive compared to a smaller town I visited.

As youo read these boards you'll hone your own interest and ideas.  The most important thing is coming over though.  No point sitting at home forever thinking about it!

Anyway... welcome!

Kuna
 

[BillyB]

Hi BillyB, I’m not sure yet even which path I want to take. Which path did you take at first?

I used dating sites and agencies that sold contact info free and clear. I didn't like the thought of using a middleman during my correspondence with the ladies. You should read more mens experiences and figure out what's best for you. Think long and hard if you need assistance at any step of the way or not. All methods work, some better than others if done properly. The most important thing is to use your big head at all times and make sure you're emotionally stable. All those beautiful women can cloud your judgement. Click this link to read a little about my adventure. http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=1303.0

[tennis_fan]

Hi Kuna, I love it...WMVO & WMVM! Who woulda thought this deal would have its own list of acronyms? (Not to mention TexasBoar’s GCG) Thanks again for the freepersonals.ru link!

Hi BillyB...You’re a lucky guy. And you sure put in the work...650 women you wrote to? I don’t think I’ve written that many letters my whole life! (And I mean these kinds of letters, like a, b, c...ok, j/k!) Still, job well done. May I just say it’s pretty cool of your to share your wisdom. Say, maybe you know offhand if they celebrate Valentines Day over there?

Hi TexasB...Curiosity was killing me, so called these russianengagement.com  folk.  Well, left a message anyway...took them some hours to call back. But I asked about the GCG likelihood, and the guy told me -- at the San Francisco party at least -- the women will be in their late 20’s, and that they are here on either religious visas or long-term student visas. So, that’s encouraging. I don’t know what to think still. Cheapass that I am makes me like the $1000 vs $5000 aspect though...we’ll see.

You guys rock!

[DKMM]

tennis fan,
I was a complete newb last summer.  I had written some girls but only paid 50 bucks to gather my addresses.  I too was wondering how much it would cost, didn't want to pay 100 or more to talk to anymore girls so I dragged on with the 3 girls that lasted more than 3 emails.

Made my 1st trip in september and had my 3rd encounter last month.

Somehow between then and now i went through close to 10 grand.  And I have no wife or even girlfriend to show for it.  I do have a couple friends there and that's about it.

However, I have learned more about life than 10 large ever paid for in school.  I also had amazing fun.  I know that this pursuit is one worth doing more than anything and its also the most important "adventure" of my life.  Also I employed rather reckless methods so perhaps I'm not the best example he he.

But anyways, most on here will tell you the same thing.  Find some girls somewhere or agency and go.  On your 1st trip you should realize if this is for you or not.  If you can't afford to even take an exploratory trip, forget it.

[I/O]

T/F  The trick is with this pursuit, to concentrate on the quality both in women and method.  Quantity isn't the issue.  I don't like parting with my "Hard Eearned" any more than the next person, but "Dime Dodging" isn't the smartest course either.  We say down here, "Pay Peanuts if you want Monkeys".


I/O

[Bruce]

Wow, the common American saying is "if you want elephants pay peanuts."   Two sets of prison colonies, two different sayings.

[jb]

Didn't I write something about this???  Oh, yes I did...

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?pid=10

[Bruce]

Everyone forgot the old JB - you know, the one without that AVATAR you know have that makes us look and not read!

[Kuna]

jb,

I just read your "cost" post again and it makes some good points.

Ya know... so much of it comes down to the girl.  There is a stark difference between Ms C and Ms D.  Both have travelled extensively in Europe and both have similar professions and backgrounds but Ms D seems to not ENJOY spending money and Ms C sees it (maybe) as a necessity.

Neither was paricularly frivolous with grivnas...  but Ms D actively sought less expensive options.

Neither was better nor worse in this regard because there are ups and downs with each side on the coin... but your cost post made me think of this again...

[SANDRO43]

and that they are here on either religious visas or long-term student visas

Just a curiosity, what are religious visas ??? ?

[Bruno]

Just a curiosity, what are religious visas ??? ?

"The R-1 religious worker visa is a nonimmigrant visa which allows foreign nationals in religious occupations to enter into the U.S. and perform the duties of a religious worker."

http://faq.visapro.com/R1-Visa-FAQ2.asp

[BillyB]

 Say, maybe you know offhand if they celebrate Valentines Day over there?

They have a women's day March 8 and many women do know of Valentines day due to them being able to watch Western media.

tennis_fan, based on reading your posts, you seem very excited entering this endeavor. You'll also be ripe for failure or wasting your time with the wrong women if you're not careful. Write a bunch of women and get a feel for the ones that's right for you and then get on the phone with them often. You don't have much chance finding the right women by limiting who you're corresponding with. If you find yourself more attracted to the women who send you kisses over the ones who do not, you're probably not going to have any luck finding a good woman. Slow down, do some reading here and you'll be better prepared.