The Power of the Bush!

[Vaughn]

To this day I view a majority of MOB people on both sides of the equation as whacked, as does my wife. As does the general population in every country involved.

 Public opinion rarely sways me. I don't give a damn what
Madison Avenue tells us what to eat, drive or wear - nor
what society deems an appropriate mate for myself and my
wife, for that matter. LP's choice to quickly self-detach
from that which he finds so unpalatable - is hardly a surprise.
25 weeks off annually - I supervised dozens of roughnecks
and roustabouts offshore who enjoyed such a schedule...

I'm not impressed.

Add me to the list.

[BillyB]

I've always thought the game was populated with mostly losers,

Yeah, but 95% of those losers never get on a plane so they settle for domestic women in the end.

LP, life's too short to be bitter all day, everyday only receiving small amounts of joy by insulting others and adding a hint of wisdom so you could pat yourself on the back for doing a good deed for the day. You mention people don't know you. Well, you're either the insulting grumpy old man you portray or you're putting on an act. Whichever it is, I feel sorry for your wife for having to put up with it.

[LP]

If I made an appearance solely to impress you'd think I'd have tried a bit harder eh? Do some of you honestly believe *I* believe you could be swayed one millimeter about anything? Especially when it flies in the face of your rationalizations? That I didn't spent years dealing with MOB people without learning a single thing? Do you think I'm here to become one of the gang? Good grief. Besides, if you look at the thread I was invited.

Patrick, the only think we likely have in common is marriage to a foreign born woman. That could easily happen to anyone who travels a lot. It could even easily happen at home if one lives in the US.

My wife had never met a foreigner before she met me. Never entertained the thought of marriage to one or leaving her country. There's a big difference between that and a girl who advertises herself specifically to foreign men in developed countries for marriage, men whom are searching them out for often dubious reasons. As for me, I remind you I wasn't living alone during the entire time I was doing this. In more ways than that to compare me (or my wife) to those who've taken the MOB route is laughable and that's just how we prefer it.

As for the men involved until you've spend as much time observing in-country as I have you'll never understand. The stories I could tell you and I've seen it more than most. You have to remember I could/can go pretty much at will for almost zero cost. It wasn't a one trip a year on a two week vacation thing. Besides, I've yet to meet a loser who'll admit to it. Clueless would be a better word as most have amusing rationalizations for doing the MOB thing. And notice how sensitive they are about it. Gee, I wonder why.

I'm not going to get sucked into dealing with MOB people again. Every time I do it I end up feeling like a rape victim, needing to stand in the shower for a long time. Too many goofy mofos here, same as PL. I mean come on, look at ol' Billy Bob there. Between his "manly" aggressiveness and that sword in his avatar it's pretty obvious what he's trying to compensate for. No thanks, I'll leave you all to stroke each other about how "lucky" you got. As if it's a mean feat to import a girl from an impoverished country, especially one looking to bail.

Me, I have no such need. I wouldn't have even responded to this thread except a little birdie let me know and suggested I give those here something to whine about. Frankly, I thought I was pretty mellow about it. No matter though, I could give a rodent's rectum what most MOB people think of me. That said I'm once again exiting stage right to get on with life. A pity those here can't do the same.

Lol, you're excused from the ass kissing part....

[Vaughn]

Praise you, o Master!

Now he's got "birdies" to put him on alert!

[catzenmouse]

That said I'm once again exiting stage right to get on with life.

Yeah right. Whatever you say there Oh Great and Mighty Legend in Your Own Mind. Don't let the door....

[BillyB]

That said I'm once again exiting stage right to get on with life. A pity those here can't do the same.

Speaking of those that can't do the same, you have six posts here and half of them are swan songs. See you in a few months. Thanks for the helpful abuse.

[Jumper]

thats the whole point LP..
you dont know the particulars of everyone either..

but always painted with broad strokes.

not everyone locked in on RW as the only alternative,
nor set thier life goal to marry a RW.

many dint fill some hole , by falling in love with a photo..

not all the RW here listed with a marriage agency,
and certainly not all that did, are any less of a person for doing so.

all nice stereotypes for sure...
 

Much of what you say is relavent..
to MOB,
but putting yourself on some higher level is assinine.

you played the RW field as much or more than any typical RW touristo- loser or not.
both at home and abroad..
and regardless the circumstances of meeting your current wife..
like many here,  you married a RW.

thats all fine,, just get off the high  horse ,,
the RW bump on your head should remind you that you  fell off of it long ago..

[I/O]

Now the "Arse Kissing" offer has been formally withdrawn, go back and have a look at the posts.  I could, if I chose, put myself right in the guts of the range of "Most" the writer talks about, but in fact I don't for just that reason....he said most.  Thus, I can't see much point in getting all bent up over it.

I gotta say that much of what was written in LP's post in this thread is about exactly as I have observed on my travels through the FSU.  If the cap fits, wear it.  I choose not to because it doesn't fit.  Likewise, I don't kiss anyones arse and don't expect them to kiss mine. 

The amazing thing is that so many come to these boards looking for support to justify their decision to pursue this idea of a foreign partner.  Why bother?  If you have made a decision and you know it is the correct one, get on with it and get some advice as to how best to do it.  Seems many people DO want their arse kissed.

BTW, to address the "Lucky to find her" comment.  All of us put ourselves in the position to make this or allow this to happen. Luck has nothing to do with it particularly when some leave themselves in the draft for years and years one way or another.

I/O

[LP]

At least someone can read. I'm well aware of exceptions but I paint with the brush handed to me by experience, experience most here will never have. That experience has shown the majority of people in MOB are screwed up on some level and very few will admit to it. Whether you're one is unknown so all I can do is fall back to experience and the odds. Here's hoping you're in the minority.

When I stated we don't associate with MOB people that's not entirely true. We  only refuse to deal with those who've think they've done something "special". The "look at me! I married FSU!" types for lack of a better description. The ones who think they've stumbled onto some secret of marital happiness the rest of the world is blissfully ignorant off. That's called delusional and to me is often a sign of the same insecurity and lack of confidence around women they possessed when they got into this. Marriage doesn't always change what makes someone warped you know.

It's one reason none of the couples we deal with are on forums like this. In fact the  majority of AW/RW couples aren't. Think about that. Just by dint of being here one has to wonder about those who're married and haven't moved on. Most men look at marriage with any brand of women as a normal part of life and move forward. Perpetrating this sorry business aside, if it's viewed as anything else it's time to look in the mirror. My two cents fwiw. Adios...

[Turboguy]

At least someone can read. I'm well aware of exceptions but I paint with the brush handed to me by experience, experience most here will never have. That experience has shown the majority of people in MOB are screwed up on some level and very few will admit to it. Whether you're one is unknown so all I can do is fall back to experience and the odds. Here's hoping you're in the minority.

To be honest LP, most everyone I have met in my life is screwed up in some way.   Most have also had a lot of ways they were not and were really good people but everyone seems to have thier quirks.   It is just a part of being a human and going through the experiences of living on this planet.

It's one reason none of the couples we deal with are on forums like this. Which by the way are the huge majority.

There are what, maybe 5000-7000 marriages with AM and FSU women a year There are perhaps a few hundred who post regularly.   To me that would make it normal that most couples are not here.

My two cents fwiw. Adios...

Why is it that you keep saying good bye and never leave.  Either quit saying good bye or leave and I think most here hope you choose the second option.

[Gator]

I have little time to read, and I read this crap.

LP, you have no redeeming value.  From the Wiz quoted post of yours, I understand why you married a RW even though you hold them in low esteem.  You seem to hold all women in low esteem, and an AW with a brain would find you intolerable for logical and justifiable reasons. 

You also insult the married members here.  Everyone of them seems like someone I would enjoy as a neighbor.  You do not.

There are many miserable men who think like you.  One of my "golfing compatriots" says that if women did not have that treasure between their legs, there would be a bounty on their head.  He was not trying to be cute.  I laughed at the comment,  but also know he spends many a night alone.  Deservedly so.

[BC]

I'm not one to get 'bunched up' too much on this board.. maybe that's why I'm having a difficult time understanding some of the responses to LP's posts.

I kinda like them. They give me a good laugh and if any of his comments bunch my panties there is probably something I should take a closer look at.

Don't take yourselves too seriously guys..

Cheers!

[BillyB]

 maybe that's why I'm having a difficult time understanding some of the responses to LP's posts.

It's just the standard responses trolls get. Just because LP has been around awhile shouldn't make it any different. Personally, I hope he sticks around to debate. Maybe tell us a little about his experience he has been boasting about. So far he hasn't said anything I haven't heard from someone else. Andrew paints "MOB" women worse than LP.

I paint with the brush handed to me by experience, experience most here will never have. That experience has shown the majority of people in MOB are screwed up on some level

 I've seen some RW come to forums and say they are surrounded by a bunch of couples who are breaking up, and some women come to the forums and say they're in a group of 50 couples and only 3 marriages are having problems. Start blaming youself for choosing bad agencies and engaging with bad women in agencies without doing your homework before you visit such as calling or writing. LP. if you do communicate with women before going on blind dates, I'm hope you didn't communicate with women at the same level as you do with the guys here with the attitude "most everybody is screwed up except myself" otherwise sincere women wouldn't associate with you leaving you wondering why you always get surrounded by the bad ones. Which could give you  experience as if most all "MOB" women are bad. Maybe it's true if all men act as you. Start blaming yourself the the crap you meet in life and look in the mirror.

Adios...

Ever see so many swan songs from a guy who's so sure of himself?

[TwoBitBandit]

I'm not one to get 'bunched up' too much on this board.. maybe that's why I'm having a difficult time understanding some of the responses to LP's posts.

I kinda like them. They give me a good laugh and if any of his comments bunch my panties there is probably something I should take a closer look at.

I agree with this sentiment.  If something anyone (like LP) says gets you all riled up, sometimes the best place to look is the mirror.  Ask yourself why what he said ruffled your feathers and you might learn something.

I've been bonked over the head by LP on P-L.  Once I got over my self-righteousness, I realized he had a point.

I believe that there is often content in what LP says, even if the delivery is needlessly blunt.

[catzenmouse]

I agree with Billy here. It is the standard response a troll gets. He doesn't want to debate anything. He wants to come in, crap on the carpet, have us all tell him how great his crap is, and he can continue to live in his fantasy land of the gods while we all worship his greatness.

All I see is a puffed up @sshole. My response is the same I would give to any others of his breed. "Get lost, take a hike, etc."

Ken

[Bruno]

I've been bonked over the head by LP on P-L.  Once I got over my self-righteousness, I realized he had a point.

From my time on PL and from the numerous attack of LP, i was never able to see a point...

Like LP, i have see a lot of looser in FSU... mainly these who believe the lies from MOB agency... but mainly, the guys on these forum are not from the same wood... the quality is better... of course, on the forum, we have our share of loose/sex tourist but not in the same big proportion that in the global sum of people involved in the process...

[Jumper]

LP said

When I stated we don't associate with MOB people that's not entirely true. We  only refuse to deal with those who've think they've done something "special". The "look at me! I married FSU!" types for lack of a better description. The ones who think they've stumbled onto some secret of marital happiness the rest of the world is blissfully ignorant off. That's called delusional and to me is often a sign of the same insecurity and lack of confidence around women they possessed when they got into this. Marriage doesn't always change what makes someone warped you know.

agree, and appreciate you clearing that up some!!
it makes a lot more sense than the,
*well we dont associate with anyone that ever sniffed around MOB speal* ,that you  stated earlier.

as far as people getting too wound up?
lol the very nature of a internet forum isnt it?

i don't think anyone REALLY cares?

LP amused me in the past and still does,,


It's just that  LP  cant play thru all 18 holes at the MOB country club,, to gain all this vast experience,(and MOB smell)
then get all high and mighty  because he dint happen to meet his sweety amoung the numerous hotties he played around with at the 19th hole, but met her at the nearby library ,museam,  or disco instead.
Heck maybe you both met while donating prayer time at  the local monestary?

It's such a great and special thing that you din't meet while skinny dipping  in the MOB country clubs water hazard!!

Happy for ya! 



 



 
 

[BillyB]

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AJ, Don't give LP too much credit clarifying his stance on issues. He knew very well what he was doing when writing his earlier posts.

Ask yourself why what he said ruffled your feathers and you might learn something.

I can't get my feathers ruffled up by LP because he criticized "MOB" agency girls and married men who participate at the forum. This does not apply to me or my fiancee but I disagree that agency girls are almost 100% bad and I don't  believe married men participating here are losers. Some men are retired and have plenty of time. Some men participate when they are at work, not at home. Some men participate with their wives. Some men feel a need to help others in their spare time. LP seems to have everybody's life figured out but he is the only guy in this thread that declared "NOBODY KNOWS ME".

Men are justified in criticizing LP in what you may think is good wisdom that one can learn from. But was it wisdom? LP thinks poorly of men here based on their posting while married and think their agency wives are trailer trash.

This isn't a thread where a newbie comes and ask a question and rejects good advice given with a cluebat. This is a thread where a troll came and tried to shove *snip* down happily married men and their wives throats. He knew they existed here and he wanted to work them them up. He's not here to teach, just insult and say something that make others think he's smart. Some guys will accept what LP says and say "You have to clear the nuggets of crap off your face to see the nugget of wisdom". He gets a thrill when he see people get worked up over what he says and a thrill when they stay silent which implie to him they accept his *snip*. Then he goes back hours later and edits his posts. He has 7 posts on this forum and 6 are edited..... hours later. I guess for a new guy reading the thread, it makes the people who responded to him sound even more stupid they reacted to what seemed like nothing. It's one thing to go back to your post and correct spelling errors, it's another to go back hours later. What's the agenda here? To re-read his posts every few hours and gloat at his brilliance and make the necessary changes to make others look more stupid in their response?

Multiple edits and swan songs.The guy changes his mind more than his underwear. LP needs to look deep down and ask himself why he ever participated on forums. To help others or amuse himself at the expense of others? With his reputation of chasing off people wholesale at Planet Love, surely he did not achieve the goal of teaching wisdom to improve men's lives pertaining to relationships and marriage if that was ever his objective.

I haven't read many of LP's "legendary" posts. But people seem to imply he was extra harsh on guys seeking FSU women. Now he married one and moved to high society to where he can't associate with anybody that post on forums. If he wanted to help people, I feel he should tell of his mistakes in using bad agencies and running with bad women since he implies he knows from experience. But somehow I suspect if years ago he told us of his methods in searching, choice in agencies and choice of women, he would be clue batted on the forums so instead of asking for advice for something he didn't know about, he chose to learn the hard way to save face all while pointing fingers at the very men making the same mistakes with bad agencies and women calling them losers.

For those that feel turned off by FSU agency women due to LP's recent posts or what's left of them after editing, they should stick with an American agency. This agency in America claims their women make make wonderful girlfriends and devoted loyal faithful wives. Although there is no k-1 waiting for your woman to arrive, there's another kind of waiting for her to arrive.
http://www.ladiesofthepen.com/index.html

[TwoBitBandit]

I can't get my feathers ruffled up by LP because he criticized "MOB" agency girls and married men who participate at the forum. This does not apply to me or my fiancee but I disagree that agency girls are almost 100% bad and I don't believe married men participating here are losers.[...]

Men are justified in criticizing LP in what you may think is good wisdom that one can learn from. But was it wisdom? LP thinks poorly of men here based on their posting while married and think their agency wives are trailer trash.[...]

This isn't a thread where a newbie comes and ask a question and rejects good advice given with a cluebat.[...]

I haven't read many of LP's "legendary" posts. But people seem to imply he was extra harsh on guys seeking FSU women. Now he married one and moved to high society to where he can't associate with anybody that post on forums. If he wanted to help people, I feel he should tell of his mistakes in using bad agencies and running with bad women since he implies he knows from experience. [...]

BillyB,

These are excellent points.  You're especially right that he was needlessly rough on the newbies.

One of the most important things a guy needs to do when he starts looking in the FSU for a wife is taking a very honest self-inventory.  He needs to ask himself "Why am I seeking a wife abroad?  What is my true reason?"  If he can't do an honest and objective self-inventory, know his strengths and weaknesses, he's dead meat in the FSU.

LP has made some points that I've found to be true:
The ladies in MOB agencies are sometimes bad news.
Many of the agencies are bad news.
The culture itself is bad news sometimes.
Many of the guys getting involved with MOB are in it for the wrong reasons.
Many of the guys are just plain clueless.
Many of the women have an agenda.
Many of the guys getting involved have inappropriate expectations based on MOB hype and are just asking for grief.

I'm not quite as pessimistic as him about these girls listing themselves on MOB sites, nor on the guys using them.  There are some great girls in these agencies, and some stand-up, successful guys using them.  I've met people from both groups.  On the other hand, I've met dumb, stupid, western oafs who are way out of their league in the FSU, and I've met girls who are professional daters, scammers and who are just plain bad news.  And I've seen firsthand the latter taking advantage of the former, and the agencies taking advantage of both parties.  There are great reasons to look in the FSU for a wife, but you're swimming with the sharks.

I believe there are some sincere girls in MOB agencies that would make great wives.  I would also agree with him that the quality of girls is often higher outside of these agencies.  He's right that if you really want to make a great catch, you need to move, take your time, and understand the culture.  He has repeatedly asserted that guys should learn Russian.  Having studied Russian for four years and used it a lot in the FSU, I entirely agree.  If you don't speak Russian, you're tied closer to the MOB trough, and further removed from what's going on around you.  I have the experience of dating RW without an interpreter; you guys who don't speak Russian don't know the depth of experience you're missing.

You're right that LP paints the lives of people he doesn't know with a broad brush and that his attacks often assume things about the person that aren't in evidence.  So what?  If you have confidence, why should you be shaken by some guy you think is an SOB on the internet throwing mud at you?  If you're honest with yourself, you can determine if there is any truth in the mud, and perhaps learn something, and be able to truly determine if what is being said applies to you or not.  If you're confident, some guy being cantankerous won't phase you.  And if you always think that your self-righteous reaction to having mud thrown at you is that you didn't deserve it, perhaps you aren't always being honest with yourself and you have more issues than the mudslinger.

[Jet]

From my time on PL and from the numerous attack of LP, i was never able to see a point...

Like LP, i have see a lot of looser in FSU... mainly these who believe the lies from MOB agency... but mainly, the guys on these forum are not from the same wood... the quality is better... of course, on the forum, we have our share of loose/sex tourist but not in the same big proportion that in the global sum of people involved in the process...

Somewhere in the past I read that statistically less than 40% of men in the game even READ internet forums discussing the subject, and far, far, fewer ever participate.

[coco]

From my time on PL and from the numerous attack of LP, i was never able to see a point...

Like LP, i have see a lot of looser in FSU... mainly these who believe the lies from MOB agency... but mainly, the guys on these forum are not from the same wood... the quality is better... of course, on the forum, we have our share of loose/sex tourist but not in the same big proportion that in the global sum of people involved in the process...

Interesting to see that LP is still around.Pas mal ton avatar mon vieux.

[Gator]

Read LP's words: 

Chicks are just people and because of their emotions, are often a mass of conflicting logic. Lol, compared to us they're continually operating in something akin to an altered state....Love the one you think is right for you but never forget she's still only a woman, simply another human being who'll eat your lunch in a heartbeat. ...The fact is they're just like men, animals. Only worse.

These are words of someone who does not respect women.  One might say that LP is afraid of them.  Women have good antennae, and they can sense a disrepecting soul very quickly.  And women will react quickly.  So I would expect that LP had many bad experiences with many RW.

Today  I received a cartoon in my email that somehow reminds me of LP.  The man getting his profile analyzed is typical of some of the "losers" that LP describes; however, I think it describes LP too.

[catzenmouse]

Then he goes back hours later and edits his posts. He has 7 posts on this forum and 6 are edited..... hours later. I guess for a new guy reading the thread, it makes the people who responded to him sound even more stupid they reacted to what seemed like nothing. It's one thing to go back to your post and correct spelling errors, it's another to go back hours later. What's the agenda here? To re-read his posts every few hours and gloat at his brilliance and make the necessary changes to make others look more stupid in their response?

And this just makes him a liar as well as a pompous @ss. Great credentials for someone supposedly trying to help out. To think that anyone would buy into this sage wisdom and believe it is just as scary as what is going on in another thread about the "argument with my friend".

To allow someone like TP to post his tripe without being called on it would be doing a disservice to those who are here actually trying to learn something. We may as well just send them over to Winnie Wu or Brad Sharp and say that these are the guys to listen to and they know what to do. Follow them and you too will be a great success.

 How sad is that?

LP has made some points that I've found to be true:
The ladies in MOB agencies are sometimes bad news.
Many of the agencies are bad news.
The culture itself is bad news sometimes.
Many of the guys getting involved with MOB are in it for the wrong reasons.
Many of the guys are just plain clueless.
Many of the women have an agenda.
Many of the guys getting involved have inappropriate expectations based on MOB hype and are just asking for grief.

 Plenty of other folks have made these same observations. AND, they do it without the "holier than thou" BS that comes from this long time guru of life, love, and all things FSUW.

Ken

[tim 360]

My goodness!  Some of you guys really do have your panties all bunched-up about so little.  Perhaps thongs would alleviate your discomfort?  Maybe Ibuprofin?  Prozac?  Nah, thongs.

BC,  I gotta admit your panties theory seems to be right on the bunched-up mark. Some of these guys wearin' some well-bunched-up panties this week.

Jumpin' Jehosophat!  What do you guys all think???  That you are all Oh so special in you quest for the Holy Grail of Russianwomanhood or something skulking around the agency websites searching out an FSU woman that will tolerate you?  And love you?  It's not so special.  Lonely guys looking for a suitable wife.  You are just guys cruisin' for chicks.  Hoping to find the "right" one.  Nothing more and nothing less.  What're you the Knights Templar or something?  Need to defend the honor of you little endeavour?  Something posted which threatens your coveted MoJo and you get all heated up?  Better it would be for you to attack with some logic and wit than with what has been posted.  If you had true conviction of your thoughts you would not come across as so whiney. 

Yah know, think before you type.  Sounds more like a little clique of some self-important guys who don't like their precious tenents threatened in any fashion by anyone.  Maybe think a little bit and try to be as articulate as the people you slam.  'Cuz the casual un-biased reader would just see the posts of guys with their panties all bunched-up.  And how do you think that makes ya'll look???

A little shrill and a bit too strident.  A little desperate in your opinion.  And thats all it really is...your meager opinion.

[I/O]

I understand why you married a RW even though you hold them in low esteem.  You seem to hold all women in low esteem, and an AW with a brain would find you intolerable

This whole string is as bad as the dissection of JB some weeks ago because he said a few things some of us didn't like.  I choose by and large to ignore the bits and pieces of inflammatory material in these types of posts because I actually find it quite amusing. 

I dunno LP from a bar of soap, who cares?  Apparently he held some kind of cu-dos on another internet board.  So what? It is just that, an internet board.  The sun will still come up tomorrow regardless and treat such posts with the relative contempt they deserve.  If you can get something out of them, do so and get on.  I gotta admit, I've never heard of this guy before this thread and if I limited myself to thinking in this context, he is not far wide of the mark on several matters.  Bit full of himself but ya strike them every day of the week.  That's in fact the way I view the posts here, guy thats a bit full of himself, probably a touch hypocritical but I don't think the posts are full of sh!te.  Yes, some sh!te content, but they are not alone in that area.

Gator Geeeeeeeeeeez, I hope that was a mistake or typo.  Gotta say, I've read it backwards and forwards and all I can get out of it "As Written" is the Russian women don't have the brains or are not as sharp as American women.  If that was in fact what you meant, which again, I hope not, then that would be a lotta sh!te.

I/O