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[TheArrow]

[user=134]Photo Guy[/user] wrote:

Why some people "bounds" color of skin on their marriages.... russian woman don't like black man... but these man can be good husband too...

No , thanks:? even if he is a good husband for you there are too many problems with others people from both sides

My friend, Clinton, married Oksana from Kazan. He's black.
So far, so good. Doug[/quote]
 Who is making the statements that Russian women do not like black guys, eh?!!!  I like them, by the way. The color of the skin doesn't matter for me.

[Elen]

Statement was made by Bruno

But for me it's matter too. Too "exotic" like I said. So no, thanks. But you may try and see where that'will lead you to;)

(And may be american guys who saw (and leaved next to) much more blacks in their lifes than any russian did explain us why they look for white girl)

[Photo Guy]

Bruno,
Man can do anything(bad) in the name of God. That doesn't mean religion is not valid. It just means man does sin. Free-will does exist.
Extremists(sinners) can use anything to do their evil work: religion, politics,
psychology, fear, etc.   Doug

[Photo Guy]

Statement was made by Bruno

But for me it's matter too. Too "exotic" like I said. So no, thanks. But you may try and see where that'will lead you to;)
(And may be american guys who saw (and leaved next to) much more blacks in their lifes than any russian did explain us why they look for white girl)

I never mentioned anything about preferring a specific race, but I will say that I am more attracted to white women. There are exceptions,
for example I like Beyonce (Knowles)

[Photo Guy]

Still can't understand why do people have such desire to put religion "bounds" on their marriages:?

Me too, because all the religion have the same God and no one is better that the other... but it is only a question of respect... if Amarrillo wish a woman who is "charismatic", it is his right... only it will be more difficult to search the right woman...

For some people, religion is very important and is a guide for all life... i respect the religion of other people and i don't try to change them... same if i don't think like them, same if i don't agree with religion, when i can help them, i try...

Why some people "bounds" color of skin on their marriages.... russian woman don't like black man... but these man can be good husband too... all the life is make from choice... until it is a personal choice, it is not a problem... when you try to imposse your choice, here begin the problem...
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You can 'respect' another person's race(religion) and still decide to
choose a specific race(religion) for yourself. The Christian religion works best for me. I find the most truth there. That doesn't mean I want to trample someone else's religion.  Doug

[Photo Guy]

Why some people "bounds" color of skin on their marriages.... russian woman don't like black man... but these man can be good husband too... all the life is make from choice... until it is a personal choice, it is not a problem... when you try to imposse your choice, here begin the problem...

I agree - a person should not force their religion or politics or aesthetics, or sexual preferences, or fashion sense, or sense of humor, or home appliances onto any other person. But, there is certainly nothing wrong with presenting these things to other people.
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. You can try to sell me a Volkswagon. That's perfectly okay. I may decide to buy a
Toyota instead. Offering me an idea or product, is never a bad thing, in my opinion, even if it is a crazy religion or a junky car.
Forcing something on someone is not good. I agree. Presenting something is fine with me. Missionaries are not dragging people kicking and screaming into their churches.  Doug

[Photo Guy]

What if a government asks its people to do things that go against their religion? If there is no religion or religious structure, then the government has even more control of people.

huh??!! please explain[/quote]
Example? Well let's say that a mayor of a city does not like the
editorial views of one of the city's citizens, so he tells the Sheriff to go to that person's house and arrest him for a bogus crime like slander.
He is hauled off to some unknown place in northern Alaska.

That's an example of the power of un-checked politics.

How can religion counter that? The mayor tells the Sheriff to arrest the citizen and the religious Sheriff truns around and tells the mayor that he is not going to do his bidding. The Sheriff feels this would be the wrong thing to do, to arrest the citizen on false charges. The Sheriff thinks and acts this way because he feels the action would violate his own religion or religious convictions.

If religion is viable force in society, that force will be among the forces of the society's government. Many religious ideas are ingrained in our laws. 'Thou Shall Not Steal'  ...coincidentally there are quite a few laws on the books regarding that. A Coincidence?
...and, of course, many more examples.

If there is a religious institution in Russia that is trying to prevent the existence of other organized religions, that is ...something that concerns me. Religious toleration is a concept to be promoted.
And we shouldn't forget what happened in Nazi Germany.  Doug

[Photo Guy]

 As for "extra money" for this and for that then I suppose it's more a matter of social and economic structure of society but not a religion. You can find much more people in un-religion FSU who have the same to your thoughts about 70 hours week and value of money in this life than in more religion USA:D (And you do have a sign on your dollars "In God we trust", btw:P)

Please explain, Elen.
A religious person may decide not to work 70 hours a week.
Instead, he might work 40 hours a week and use those other 30 hours for time with his children. In the USA, many people choose to work many hours to have more luxury items, like bigger cars and bigger TV's. That would be trading work-time for materialistic needs. One's religion could dictate spending more time with one's children.
What about 'In God We Trust'?   Doug

[TheArrow]

Statement was made by Bruno

But for me it's matter too. Too "exotic" like I said. So no, thanks. But you may try and see where that'will lead you to;)

Listen to me, Elen. Stop giving me your advice about trying black. I have already known who black people are, by the way. Have you ever heard this saying - Once try black - never come back, eh?  If you find them too "exotic" for yourself, for me - they are the same as white people are.

So continue your discussion about religion, dear.

Peace......

[Elen]

If there is a religious institution in Russia that is trying to prevent the existence of other organized religions, that is ...something that concerns me. Religious toleration is a concept to be promoted.
And we shouldn't forget what happened in Nazi Germany. Doug

You see that said "religion institute" wich is trying to prevent the existence of other organizeded religions  -

   firstly does that agains "sects" which it consideres like "totalitarian"  And in many cases I argee with our Orthodoxes here (and btw our "religion institute" alludes to Nazi as well in it's fight) 

  and secondary tryes to hold it's "grip" on its "own" flock wich is not such rare thing in religion world. The fight among Chatolics and Othodoxs has a history of centures, so I don't see something here wich conserns me too badly. Let they mind their business just not makes their religion an "official tools" of Government

[Photo Guy]

Natalya,        Hmmm.   ..What about a black FOREIGNER?  

[Photo Guy]

Elen, I am not sure what you are saying, but I understood this part and I agree:
'Let they mind their business just not makes their religion an "official tools" of Government'    Doug

[Elen]

Listen to me, Elen. Stop giving me your advice about trying black. I have already known who black people are, by the way. Have you ever heard this saying - Once try black - never come back, eh?  If you find them too "exotic" for yourself, for me - they are the same as white people are.

So continue your discussion about religion, dear.

Peace......

Good for you, dear. As for me I don't conseder your words like your advice to me to "try black for never come back" Am I right?

 Besides I was speaking about candidates for "husband's" role. It is something different thing to "just try"

As for "they are the same as white people"  then I'd prefer to hear an opinion from those who leave with blacks in one society and for more long period than you. - are they really "the same" or rase dose matter for family life.?

 

 

[Bruno]

You are CYNIC, Bruno:X (Just wonder what was "yours government"  wich   manipulated of your mind during your young student years:P:D:D)

I was in catholic school, catholic college and catholic university during my young time... i was not in state school... Why ? The quality of teacher is more high in the private catholic school that in the state school...

What have change my meaning about religion is my time in army, during all my trip around the world, i have learn to know other religions...

My own meaning now is that God "maybe" exist but that religion are bad... religion are make by man...

I go to catholic church, i go to orthodox church, i can go to temple or mosquee... it is not a problem for me... if God exist, he is everywhere and not only in one place... i try to be a good guys and if God exist, he go judge me on my act and not because i follow one religion of other...

Doug write :

"How can religion counter that? The mayor tells the Sheriff to arrest the citizen and the religious Sheriff truns around and tells the mayor that he is not going to do his bidding. The Sheriff feels this would be the wrong thing to do, to arrest the citizen on false charges. The Sheriff thinks and acts this way because he feels the action would violate his own religion or religious convictions."

Doug, do you remember the periode of inquisition in Europa... where people was trow in fire for see if they was sorcerer of not... if they don't burn, they was bad... if they was good, they burn... and now, in our modern world, where Jehova don't accept blood from other... some young child who need operation cannot have it because of religious conviction and are lead to go dead in short time...

State don't need religion, they need a good morale... people are able to see what is good and what is wrong without the help of religion...


 

[Elen]

I was saying that when our Orthodox try to prevent existence of other religions in Russia (mostly they are variouse sects) they accuse them of totalitarism.

Also I was saying that the fight Othodox vs Chatolics has very long history so there is nothing for you here to be conserned now.

Did I clarify myself? Or there is something else I should to explain?

[Bruno]

All is clear Elen... only the problem with sects ... in the very beginning, the catholics was a sects too... religion are sects who have know success... and now, religion fight these new sects who can replace them in the future... this don't show the respect of free meaning...

[Elen]

As for "extra money" for this and for that then I suppose it's more a matter of social and economic structure of society but not a religion. You can find much more people in un-religion FSU who have the same to your thoughts about 70 hours week and value of money in this life than in more religion USA:D (And you do have a sign on your dollars "In God we trust", btw:P)

Please explain, Elen.
A religious person may decide not to work 70 hours a week.
Instead, he might work 40 hours a week and use those other 30 hours for time with his children. In the USA, many people choose to work many hours to have more luxury items, like bigger cars and bigger TV's. That would be trading work-time for materialistic needs. One's religion could dictate spending more time with one's children.
What about 'In God We Trust'? Doug

Explanation.

Un-religion (in majority) Soviets were raised with the same viewpoints on money as you have due to your religion. I mean money is not the main and most valueable thing in this life - there are other things like your family, friends, not well paid but interesting for you job and so far.

Soviets were taught that they should not make a "cult from matherial things" in this life. It is BAD.

 Does that sound close to your religion?

 But it was not the Church (or not only the Church) which put such values in our head but our "lovely" Communist party;) (btw let read the moral codex of "builder of Communism":D:D:D You will not find any "devil" thing there;). All values are the same to Christians)


 As for "In God we trust" than I can't understand how it possible to put such sign on such "dirty" thing as money in such religion state like USA:D (don't start discussion money is not dirty it's preople who do dirty thing in order to gain money. For me notes are the symbol of those dirty things. And I can't understand such signs)

 

 

[TheArrow]

 Besides I was speaking about candidates for "husband's" role. It is something different thing to "just try" 

I dated black guy in Moscow. About that saying (once try black - never come back) - it means "in general" and with a dose of humour and not once or twice.

[Elen]

this don't show the respect of free meaning...

 Who do speak about "respect of free meaning in religions institutes":D Let take a look on the whole history of various Churches - there were only wars for the right to be the only one mouthpiece of God. Our times is not an exception and just proves the statement - Churches have their own purpose in religion wich are some far from "God" business

[jb]

I dated black guy in Moscow.

That in itself would make you socially unacceptable in many places in the USA.  Instead of "once you've tried black. etc.". How about, "Once you've tried black, the white men won't want you back".

A white woman who dates blacks usually burns her bridges to the white community in many areas of the country, perhaps that is sad to some people, but it's true.  No sense in being a liar about it.  Personally, I would never have dated outside my race, but that's just me, nor would I consider a woman for marriage, who had dated black men.

Call me a racist if you like, but it's called *standards*, many people will have a line they won't cross, with me it's a "standards" thing. More than likely, if you are honest with yourself, you have standards as well.  Maybe those standards are purely physical, (maybe you want a very *pretty model* look in a woman), and could care less about her ability to think, make decisions and operate on her own.  Maybe there are religion based standards, whatever they are, you have a basic dislike for what some folks are doing and can bail at a moments notice.

To me, that's normal, but you shouldn't hang around hoping to start a war about it.

[TheArrow]

Call me a racist if you like, but it's called *standards*, many people will have a line they won't cross, with me it's a "standards" thing. More than likely, if you are honest with yourself, you have standards as well. Maybe those standards are purely physical, (maybe you want a very *pretty model* look in a woman), and could care less about her ability to think, make decisions and operate on her own. Maybe there are religion based standards, whatever they are, you have a basic dislike for what some folks are doing and can bail at a moments notice.

To me, that's normal, but you shouldn't hang around hoping to start a war about it.

I will not call you a racist - I respect all points of view. But for me, I would never marry a man who is more than 10 years older than me. That's my line I will never cross. I have my own age preferences like you have your own race, age and etc... standards.  So there is no reason for starting any war here. People talk at forum and share their opinions. And if your opinion is different than mine or somebody's else - this is not a reason to start any war.

[Bruno]

People talk at forum and share their opinions. And if your opinion is different than mine or somebody's else - this is not a reason to start any war.

Great words... a lesson for each of us... and from a RW ... Thank you for the best advice i have read on RWD...

 

[Photo Guy]

State don't need religion, they need a good morale... people are able to see what is good and what is wrong without the help of religion...

Bruno, where in the world today is there anything like the inquisition?
Do you think there are Christians today who want to re-create the inquisition? That's obsurd. I am not going to say planes flying into buildings is an example of religious concepts at work. Mother Theresa is an example of religious concepts at work, not the inquisition. Evil can corrupt religious heads -as in the inquisition. Extreme power-hungry idiots can do anything in the name of religion. That doesn't mean God or religion is the problem, the corrupt/sinful person is the problem.

As for your statement above, I'd agree with the first part but not the second.  Doug

[Photo Guy]

People talk at forum and share their opinions. And if your opinion is different than mine or somebody's else - this is not a reason to start any war.

Great words... a lesson for each of us... and from a RW ... Thank you for the best advice i have read on RWD...
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That makes sense, but I can't think of ANY war that started because someone just had a difference of opinion....      Doug

[Elen]

Bruno
State don't need religion, they need a good morale... people are able to see what is good and what is wrong without the help of religion...

PhotoGuy

As for your statement above, I'd agree with the first part but not the second. Doug

 What's a problem with the second part? Does that mean people who are not religion

are not abble to see what's good and what's wrong?