Desperate or not? FSU women

[Kvinna]

Jazzy, people get opinionated.   It is part of being a human being.   When you say all Ukrainians are bad you are insulting people who are Ukrainian and those who have a Ukrainian wife.   

Hallo alle som får svar fra Russiske damer her inne på finnenvenn... har sett meg lei på at alle som jeg får svar fra(russiske) er fake alle sammen. Alle sammen er bare ute etter PENGER ol. de bruker å bytte mail adresser i fleng men ikke brukernavnet inne her på finnenvenn! så jeg har fått svar fra mange av de, men når jeg begynner å sende mailer til dem så får jeg forskjellige bilder av dem!!! og de skriver det samme også!!! men brukernavnet er det samme her inne! RART? Legger inn flere bilder av de her inne og jeg vil høre fra flere om de har samme problem som meg..

Ask Thor for translation, I only point referal indexes.
The same we often read in english of course

[catzenmouse]

Jazzy,

 I apologize for being insulting to you. It was wrong of me and I will not do it again.

 I also agree with others that you have a lot of good information to bring to RWD. The biggest problem that I see is "how" you bring that information. Having misunderstandings is very common among groups of people but there is a lot that we can do to lessen the impact of those misunderstandings. I will do my part to reach that goal. Hopefully you will do the same.

Ken

[Admin]

Yes and a light hearted joke about nationalaties (I have omitted Russia and or Ukraine for obvious reasons)

A worldwide survey was conducted by the UN. The only question asked was:

 "Would you please give your honest opinion about solutions to the food
 shortage in the rest of the world?"  

The survey was a huge failure,

In Africa they didn't know what 'food' meant,
In India they didn't know what 'honest' meant,
In Europe they didn't know what 'shortage' meant,
In China they didn't know what 'opinion' meant,
In the Middle East they didn't know what 'solution' meant,
In South America they didn't know what 'please' meant,
And in the USA they didn't know what 'the rest of the world' meant!

Mir,

That was truly funny - probably because of the inherent accuracy of much of it, albeit made in jest.

Cute.

- Dan

[Admin]

I swore out to take participation in such threads These foreigners can't make any differences among ~200 nations of FSU preferring to stick  RUSSIAN label to all mud they met here ( as well as they never could get who they deal with in Moscow - while for Muscovites all is clear from first word such "Moscow" girls try to pronounce  ) And any attempt to ask a favour to be more accurate in definition i seen like Russian chauvinism and Moscow arrogance

Elen,

You may find this difficult to believe - but I agree with you. It is only logical.

The FSU was made up of numerous ethnic groups covering a HUGE geography - and the tendency NOW is to refer to that same geography as "Russian" - so we refer to "Russian Georgia" and many others which are NOT a part of Russia at all.

The distortion then, is that when people visit Belarus or Moldova or Ukraine or Kazakhstan - and they have a bad experience - often they will trumpet that experience as condemnation of "RUSSIA".

I promise to be more sensitive to this sort of thing in the future.

I hope I understood, interpreted, and characterized what you were writing correctly. If I missed it, please feel free to correct me.

- Dan

[catzenmouse]

Elen,

You may find this difficult to believe - but I agree with you. It is only logical.

- Dan

Did I just hear the sound of the Earth coming to a screeching stop?!? Was that hell freezing over?!? 

The sad truth is that happens everywhere as well. We here in the US do it geographically. Oh those New Yorkers are so rude, or Everyone in California is Hollywood phony, All people in the South are such hicks and rednecks. The list goes on and on and on.

The reality has been mentioned several time here so far. Good people are everywhere. Bad people are everywhere.

Ken

[SANDRO43]

but anyway, can you tell us the reason you are so interested in escort service in Russia? You collect a lot of links on your site, really wonder why.

Simple, I am a very dirty old man .

Oh just saw Mamma Roma with Anna Magnani, so I think nothing was changed since 1962 so you could find a lot of prostitutes in Italy

Quite mistaken, a lot has changed here since 1962 but then, how could you know ? Or were you around in 1962 ?

[Jazzyclassy]

  The reality has been mentioned several time here so far. Good people are everywhere. Bad people are everywhere.

Ken         

It is absolute truth

And I also would like to apologise before Ken and others for judging people and maybe expressing my opinion in not the best way and for childish behaviour

I also hope to actually fade away the misunderstandings between multi cultural people
I am not going to make excuses about being a little harsh and prejudiced about people due to my young age , cos it is not about age, but I do  think that with time this statement will prove to be wrong

To Turboguy

I know what you mean about criticizing but it is just probably hard for you to read my Moscowite English with my Russian thinking mind cos what I am trying to tell you , you can not understand , I am not trying to criticize , I am trying to share opinion and experience gained in my life, but that does not mean this experience  fit your personal ones,

it is funny to me cos I am telling one thing not in a very very bad language I am trying to express it as how you think and feel but I fail just  accept my Russian colouring to your English language:)

and finally it is natural to have such different opinions and misunderstandings we are not robots we are people with our feelings

[WmGO]

This thread has become too funny! Wow!

Missed is the fundamental reality that Ukraine is virtually identical to Russia. It is the same ethnicity, history, culture, religion (or lack of it to be more accurate). Russians and Ukrainians look the same, act the same, think the same, walk the same, dress the same. As I have said before, if you have been to Russia you have been to Ukraine and vice versa. Any minute differences are irrelevant - like comparing a midwest State with a southern State - very little difference and still the same country and SAME CULTURAL ORGANISM. Ukraine was part of the Russian Empire for hundreds of years and is completely totally Russified, and then Sovietized. To suggest otherwise is to ignore reality. Even if you go to Lviv you will feel the same cultural aura that you will feel in eastern Ukraine or anywhere in Russia.

That is why this Russia vs. Ukraine rivalry is absurd. There is no basis in reality to draw substantive distinctions between the two countries or their people.

Jazzy, I have traveled your country and Ukraine extensively and studied both for decades. When you look at Ukraine you are looking in a mirror. EXCEPT, politically speaking, Ukraine still has a constitutional democracy and Russia has a siloviki autocracy. You and your fellow Russians need to do something about that situation. I realize that the Russian soul needs strong central authority but a one party autocracy it does not need.

Don't get me wrong. I like your country. I also like Ukraine.

[Jazzyclassy]

    Jazzy, I have traveled your country and Ukraine extensively and studied both for decades. When you look at Ukraine you are looking in a mirror. EXCEPT, politically speaking, Ukraine still has a constitutional democracy and Russia has a siloviki autocracy. You and your fellow Russians need to do something about that situation. I realize that the Russian soul needs strong central authority but a one party autocracy it does not need.

Don't get me wrong. I like your country. I also like Ukraine.            

Russia has a very bad times right now
according to our mental and soul development it is hard for us to have capitalism like you all have ,  it is so difficult for Russia to be capitalistic really,if we do all for money , we will all die, there wont be any compassion, wont be any simple support , people will only support for money like in western countries they do, and you need to understand our weather conditions, it is very hard to be cold lonely and if you need people to help you warm up you need to pay them for this with Money,  no way !And to do all the things for money , Russian people simply wont survive if they are only one for one, they need to stick together to survive, it was suitable when it was socialism .... to my mind

Russian character it is not about  Money ,

it is about support and understanding and moreover helping,  Russians do have ability to forgive which is very important and have the ability to feel the sorrow or happiness with the other people, to share bad times, I stress Russian people!
And that does not mean it  involves money  all the time, they do it in return for kind attitude and great treatment, cos they were like that for ages,  it is the part of our soul , it is very deep inside of us

and with this Capitalism ,a  group of people is trying to change Russians into being oriented only on money and success stepping on each other's heads in order to achieve their goals.......

and as the matter of fact life for all the people  in Russia is not getting  better, it is getting worse, so you think I do not know about the problems my country faces right now? Oh I am aware of them , it  will be so difficult to solve  them , we really do  need a great deal fighter here , who would fight for his people...

But it wont happen in the nearest time unfortunately

we do not have him....

[jinx13]

 Don't worry Jazzy, I'm sure Putin will find some reason that he MUST remain President, I would not be surprised if there was a terrorist attack near the time when he is supposed to step down...he will have to stay in power to keep strength for Russia, da?     Hey it worked for Bush! (not saying 9/11 was a conspiracy, but it did help Bush get re-elected)

 As far as MONEY and how it's not Russia's character....hmmm, I think a lot of people would disagree with you on that one, In America it's just out in the open, we don't hide our capitalism, we are proud of it. Russians want to think they don't care about money, maybe they feel guilty about it, they don't want to be like America, but you do care about $$$, it's just kept secret....Russians LOVE secrets! 

[Mir]

jinx

I think Bush got re-elected due to the same reasons he was elected for the first time.

[jinx13]

jinx

I think Bush got re-elected due to the same reasons he was elected for the first time.

 Voter fraud? Governor of Florida his brother?  Nahhh, last time he won because America was afraid of change during the war, and because he knows how to use fear to get what he wants.  Could have also had something to do with a weak Democratic candidate...

[Zhena]

Juzzy,I ask for apologizing also ok. You drove me nuts But in your age I was the same probably,maybe even worse,so its ok. See,I am part ukrainian and part russian,and speak all my life a russian language-who should I consider myself? For me there is no difference. Actually I think the number of pure russians is very small. Same as pure ukrainians. Lets leave the polytics on the side of the road,cos not us making it. The propaganda is very strong,especially now after ukrainian new president,and we know why. I never minded about that,I just dont care.
Peace?

[Turboguy]

Weak cantidate, what do you mean.  He invented the internet.   What more could you want.  He even got a purple heart for shooting himself, well shooting a rock that shot back and gave him a scratch.

[catzenmouse]

Puu-leease!

 Let's not get into US politics. This just is not the place for it. Find a bar, find a support group, find a bum on the street if you must. Just not here.

Thank you very much!

Ken

[I/O]

Jazzy,

 I apologize for being insulting to you. It was wrong of me and I will not do it again.

 I also agree with others that you have a lot of good information to bring to RWD. The biggest problem that I see is "how" you bring that information. Having misunderstandings is very common among groups of people but there is a lot that we can do to lessen the impact of those misunderstandings. I will do my part to reach that goal. Hopefully you will do the same.

Ken

From J/C: And I also would like to apologise before Ken and others for judging people and maybe expressing my opinion in not the best way

From Zhena: Jazzy,I ask for apologizing also ok.

If my eyes do not deceive me, (Yes it is Saturday morning after a couple of light ales Friday night, so they may be blurred)   I do believe the protagonists have all kissed and made up.  Oh, what a wonderfully dysfunctional family this is.

Someone raised some political differences and I have long thought this is a very significant factor in many of the variances we see, both between the personalities in the East and West and also the variaces in personalities in the East. But politics purse' is better left to other threads.

However, to this extent, there is one post up thread, although I respect the experiece level of the writer, I must contest very strongly. All Russians, Ukrainians and others are NOT similar IMHO.  In fact this was one of the first things which struck me very clearly way back when I first visited these countries.  When one travels city by city from  Vladivostok to Moscow, if one fails to notice the vast differences, in accent, skin tones, dress styles, physical appearance and a host of other things, I would suggest they are blind.

There is vast differences from area to area right across the FSU states and also Russia.  This IMHO is what many fail to understand or recognise when they either start this pursuit or travel to these countries. 

Back on topic, I think it is clear enough, that YES there is people who are desparate to leave or choose to be desparate to leave.  These people exist in SMALL number all over, not only the FSU.  One should always be mindful of this in such a pursuit.  FWIW, the ladies from the FSU IMHO are IT, but they are not all Goddesses, so each should asses his own particular "Lady of Interest" in a pragmatic way before he gets too lost in the romantic side of matters.  At the end of the day, he will HAVE to live with this person on a daily basis and daily life takes on a very PRACTICAL meaning.  Nobody wan't a partner who is just looking for a meal ticket. 

Likewise, to the FSU Ladies, there is some western men who are desparate also, keep your eyes open. It's a no brainer really.

FWIW

I/O

[Muj]

Yes and a light hearted joke about nationalaties (I have omitted Russia and or Ukraine for obvious reasons)

A worldwide survey was conducted by the UN. The only question asked was:

 "Would you please give your honest opinion about solutions to the food
 shortage in the rest of the world?"  

The survey was a huge failure,

In Africa they didn't know what 'food' meant,
In India they didn't know what 'honest' meant,
In Europe they didn't know what 'shortage' meant,
In China they didn't know what 'opinion' meant,
In the Middle East they didn't know what 'solution' meant,
In South America they didn't know what 'please' meant,
And in the USA they didn't know what 'the rest of the world' meant!

And in New Jersey they asked "What is please?".

[Muj]

jinx

I think Bush got re-elected due to the same reasons he was elected for the first time.

Yes, and the British ask for an "American type" election of their prime minister .

[Mir]

jinx

Frankly I hardly know anything about US politics but the general impression we had was that Bush won due to domestic issues. Many here thought that the war would lead to decline in his popularity (all the lies about WMD etc.).So his victory was a surprise to them but the feeling was that his domestic policies are close to the heart of middle America and he speaks their language to explain their issues, hence he won his second term convincingly. Anyway I am sure you know much more then me about this.

JC

Why are things getting worse in Russia?
There has been a stable government and stable economy. In fact Bullions of dollars of surplus die to high oil prices. I would expect that the situation should be gradually getting better for the common man/woman.
Please explain the reason for the worsening?

[ScottinCrimea]

My impressions, which may be wrong, are that although the Russian economy is improving, it is limited to those with the power and the money and to the Moscow area.  Outside of Moscow there is little change.  As far as individual freedoms, they are worsening and the move toward a more free society is being reversed by many of Putin's domestic policies.  There is an internal struggle going on ans so far Putin and his former KGB buddies are holding the upper hand but any number of things could cause that to change quickly, thus the sense of instability.

[Jazzyclassy]

    Peace?         

Of course it is always peace am sorry sorry too:)

   JC

Why are things getting worse in Russia?
       

Once again you see only tv propaganda , the same as I see tv about your countries:) but thank to my online friends my blue dreamy outlook about the world is getting better:) and I know that there are problems in every country But , here comes a huge But:

Living standards of the  US and the  UK and Europe will never be  compared to Russia, many people got low salaries here and prices are  raising all the time,  in the US and the UK and Europe they got stable salaries , donations from governments if it is single parent, insurance some social benefits people actually can live ok while being on the job market queue, they are being supported while searching for work.
In Russia it is all different nobody cares about you , you are not protected by Government, if you lost your work that's your problem you can die and no Putin will help you ,
Russia lost its manufacture, agriculture, villages are dying , no one is working the soil,  weather is getting very unstable which prevents to normally grow plants, 

Money are gathered only in Moscow and Saint Petersburg if you go to the other cities as Rostov on Don , Saratov, Krasnodar and moreover to Siberia , you will see the real life of people , how they live sometimes there is no hot water, there is no heating  , Russia is messy and if you still did not work that out , what can I do , I invite you all here to our Russia and take a huge great trip all over Russia travel along these towns villages and cities and you will see the real life, when people are living from hand to mouth

I actually thought that many of you guys who have russian or ukrainian wives , you actually knew the situation how poor and miserable Russia is still  and no matter that  it improved a little bit, We do not feel this, living standards are very low ,

there are very rich people and very poor people and you can count those who are middle class,

What can I say about myself , yes I live in Moscow but that does not mean I am rich bag of money girl, I am normal close to middle I hope:) but I am poor if we speak about traveling and buying clothes everyday and eat in the restaurants everyday , in this case I am poor , cos I can not afford this everyday,

I can travel to some country if I save money during the year but not every season
cos I pay for University still

so life is ok here but not brilliant

[I/O]

Jazz Good post.  Pretty frank assesment of the situation so far as I can see. 

The odd thing I have noticed about Russia, is that just some unexpected cities are doing quite well.  (Generally speaking)  Nothing seems to be particularly consistent.

I/O

[ScottinCrimea]

Jazz, Your life sounds a lot like life in middle class America.  Not many can afford these things every day either and most can't afford to travel every year.

[Bruno]

What can I say about myself , yes I live in Moscow but that does not mean I am rich bag of money girl, I am normal close to middle I hope:) but I am poor if we speak about traveling and buying clothes everyday and eat in the restaurants everyday , in this case I am poor , cos I can not afford this everyday,

I can travel to some country if I save money during the year but not every season

So, i am poor like you... like 60% of other Belgium people... but around 30% of Belgium people are more poor that me... and only 10% are what we call "Rich" people.

Living standards of the  US and the  UK and Europe will never be  compared to Russia, many people got low salaries here and prices are  raising all the time,  in the US and the UK and Europe they got stable salaries , donations from governments if it is single parent, insurance some social benefits people actually can live ok while being on the job market queue, they are being supported while searching for work.

Yeahhh... really funny... Western country are now more "socialist" that the FSU... capitalism model used like in US is working because of "rules"... but Russian wild capitalism work only for make a few very rich and a lot very poor...

[Turboguy]

That was a nice post Jazzy.  

I made my first trip to Russia 11 years ago.  In the early stages I was going about every two years and although people there seemed to feel nothing was changing I could notice the change on every trip.  

I think much as Jazzy said, in some ways it is far better and in others it is not or may even be worse.   People there were getting more and more freedom before but did not quite know what to do with it.  Now the move to freedom seems to be going the other way.

On my first trip a good wage in Moscow was about $ 200.00 a month, in the smaller cities of Ukraine $ 60.00 was good.   Now the wages have become much higher but if they are tired of living in a one room apartment in a Stalin era building, look at what has happened to real estate.   To dream of a multi room new apartment for the average Russian is nearly an impossible dream.

I think the middle class is growing but it is still small.  I think too the statement Jazz made about if you are out of work, no one but your family cares.   Here we have unemployment, food stamps, welfare, government programs and our least productive people can have a government subsidized apartment that is virtually equal to one of the nicer places in the FSU.  

I have to agree, some things are better, some the same and some worse.  I think the worst thing, particularly about Russia is who can say with any certainty what the future holds.