So IT IS the youth (and the beauty)

[Turboguy]

Thank you Legal.  It sounds like the two of you are well on the way to a long and wonderful relationship and we both wish you well also.   

[vwrw]

From Mir:
What can JBs wife do for him that Legal's wife can't do for him?

Mir, what can healthy ones do that almost deaf and speechless ones cannot do? What can employed women do that unemployed women cannot do? 
JB’s wife can do everything what Legal’s wife does and plus a lot things more… so as JB’s wife has perfect English and has good job, huh?

[vwrw]

From Capt B:
I've dated younger women in this country........I saw no more "value" in them.......than in the older women I dated.

1. As only scientists deny their statement that younger people much easy memorize foreign language…
2. As only women after 40 will have the same health as young women…
3. As only “Play Boy” with bodies as usually woman after 40 have will sell more or though the same number of issues as “Play Boy” with young women does…
 As only those become reality I will be agree with you, Capt B.

From Capt B:
Most women of any age can be "high risk"......when they are the "wrong" woman. When the "real....right woman" comes along.......the risks are minimal..........unless the man blows it.

25 y. o. woman always is higher risk than 55 y. o. woman even if they both are real and right for a man.
My father has two cars one of them is new and expensive other is old and now it cost almost nothing. He loves both of these cars by different reasons and he would be equally upset if one of the cars is stolen. There was an attempt to steal new one and never was an attempt to steal old one. I do not understand why people do not want to steal the old car in the past if they BOTH have huge value FOR my father?
Of course, woman is not a car and one cannot steal her without her permit. But there will be a lot more attempts to “steal” the excellent 25 y. o. woman than the excellent 55 y. o. woman. The more attempts are the more risk is that one of the attempts will be successful.
Capt B, you see what I want to bring to you. The risk depends on not only either woman is right or wrong FOR you but also how many men agree with you. 

[vwrw]

From Legal:
I never thought of Olga as doing for me,

Charity – giving up money without waiting something in return. (Apart from a place in paradise)
Do I need to explain what the Investment is?

From Legal:
feel Olga has been an advantages asset to me and my practice. I would not have anyone else run my business.

I often heard words on RWD – never put all eggs in one bag.
Lucky JB stands with two bags in one he has his business in other he has his huge reward wife. If he loses one bag it is not a catastrophe his wife will provide him.
If Legal loses his bag… who will provide him and the “charity” he must do. 
In other words Legal’s family is 1 + 0,5 = 1,5. JB’s family is 1+1=2. Can you see difference?

Huge reward wife = Right woman with fluent English and with good job in America. (or at least she is able to find a good job if there is a need)
Little reward wife = Right woman But English is not good enough to be able to find job if there is a need.

[vwrw]

From T/G
Isn't happiness a huge reward?
From Legal:
NOT ACCORDING TO YOUR VWRW.......

LOL…you are wrong. Simply being 0,5 is not happiness for me. And as I have noticed most guys encourage their wives to become 1 in their country. Do you guess why it is so? Maybe because to them a happiness is living with loving 1, not with loving 0.5

[vwrw]

From Olga:
I just can guess that some people - women and men make their relationship not on the basis of the spiritual demands but on the basis of reward - what, when and how much I can get from my partner.
We both, LEGAL and I, build our loving relationship and family happiness based upon love and spiritual principles.

Of course, you only forgot to add that the reason why cast your glance abroad during seeking for high- spiritual  man is Russian high- spiritual  man is poor. And they have no money to be “rescuers” for a high- spiritual lonely woman who is afraid of coming old age in poverty.

[LEGAL]

I posted because I thought people were misunderstanding what VWRW was saying.   Her English is amazing to me in that she just started to learn it a couple of years ago and is self taught.   Some seemed to feel that she was talking in terms of money which she certainly was not. 

Turboguy,
VWRW is talking in terms of money. Do open your eyes 

From Legal:
I never thought of Olga as doing for me,

Charity – giving up money without waiting something in return. (Apart from a place in paradise)
Do I need to explain what the Investment is?

From Legal:
feel Olga has been an advantages asset to me and my practice. I would not have anyone else run my business.

I often heard words on RWD – never put all eggs in one bag.
Lucky JB stands with two bags in one he has his business in other he has his huge reward wife. If he loses one bag it is not a catastrophe his wife will provide him.
If Legal loses his bag… who will provide him and the “charity” he must do. 
In other words Legal’s family is 1 + 0,5 = 1,5. JB’s family is 1+1=2. Can you see difference?

Huge reward wife = Right woman with fluent English and with good job in America. (or at least she is able to find a good job if there is a need)
Little reward wife = Right woman But English is not good enough to be able to find job if there is a need.

I think you and VWRW are misunderstanding each other 

Olga.

[mspanky]

 If your father's old car is low risk for getting stolen and the new one is high risk, are you trying to say you chose a much older man because  he is low risk and very few women will try to steal him in the U.S.???? Does that make you a rescuer and not a business women?

  Noone should look at what others have and make assumptions. When you come and live in the U.S. many people will make assumptions about you. Some will think you a goldigger, others will feel sorry you married one so much older thinking it was out of desperation and you had to do it to escape a situation. You will not like what they say, but  you have to realize they are being honest with their thoughts. Just like you are right now. This might hurt your feelings and TG's too. That would be very unfair if they assumed about your relationship due to age., but you cannot get angry as you make the same assumptions about men marrying women close to their age.

[Kuna]

Money - Money - Money...  It's smelling like money around here isn't it?

1 + .5 = 1.5?  OH MY GOD!!!

I can smell those crisp fresh bills... can you?

Other than the availability of enough money to provide security and the basic comforts money has NOTHING to do with the success of a relationship UNLESS one partner is counting the bills as they come off the press.

Let's be realistic about risk and reward!

RISK:  The example of old car and new car was used and is flawed. It ignores completely about that little thing called COMMITTMENT.  A wife is not a possession... she is a partner!  She can't be stolen, she CAN be unfaithful!

The fact is that each partner NEEDS to be committed to the relationship to make it work.  Those that think about young women being tempted should remember men are tempted too.  Mutual commitment MUST be there and THEN the risk is reduced.

The real risk in a relationship is when one is immature or insincere, has an ulterior motive or is deceptive. There is risk when one or both partners aren't prepared to work to make a relationship successful, or have unrealistic expectations from a relationship.

REWARD:  The only reward I'm looking for in a relationship is unconditional, reciprocated love, and the hard work and good fun that goes into making a relationship work.  Children, family, laughter and happiness.  Those are the things that are important!

Anyone that considers financial reward as he upside of a relationship is HIGH RISK....

To measure a woman by her financial contributions shows a focus on material matters and an inadequacy to understand the emotional bonds relationships are based on.

I'm horrified at what I've read... Simply stunned!

Sorry... I've got to add one thing...  RED FLAG - RED FLAG

[Erwin]

From Legal:
I never thought of Olga as doing for me,

Charity – giving up money without waiting something in return. (Apart from a place in paradise)
Do I need to explain what the Investment is?

From Legal:
feel Olga has been an advantages asset to me and my practice. I would not have anyone else run my business.

I often heard words on RWD – never put all eggs in one bag.
Lucky JB stands with two bags in one he has his business in other he has his huge reward wife. If he loses one bag it is not a catastrophe his wife will provide him.
If Legal loses his bag… who will provide him and the “charity” he must do. 
In other words Legal’s family is 1 + 0,5 = 1,5. JB’s family is 1+1=2. Can you see difference?

Huge reward wife = Right woman with fluent English and with good job in America. (or at least she is able to find a good job if there is a need)
Little reward wife = Right woman But English is not good enough to be able to find job if there is a need.

Turboguy,

With all due respect, you need to have a heart-to-heart conversation with VWRW about what marriage should be based on and the sanctity of marriage vs. the value of money and investment.

VWRW,

With all due respect, marry for true and unconditional love not for money!

Good luck to you and VWRW,

E

[Erwin]

Money - Money - Money...  It's smelling like money around here isn't it?

1 + .5 = 1.5?  OH MY GOD!!!

I can smell those crisp fresh bills... can you?

Other than the availability of enough money to provide security and the basic comforts money has NOTHING to do with the success of a relationship UNLESS one partner is counting the bills as they come off the press.

Let's be realistic about risk and reward!

RISK:  The example of old car and new car was used and is flawed. It ignores completely about that little thing called COMMITTMENT.  A wife is not a possession... she is a partner!  She can't be stolen, she CAN be unfaithful!

The fact is that each partner NEEDS to be committed to the relationship to make it work.  Those that think about young women being tempted should remember men are tempted too.  Mutual commitment MUST be there and THEN the risk is reduced.

The real risk in a relationship is when one is immature or insincere, has an ulterior motive or is deceptive. There is risk when one or both partners aren't prepared to work to make a relationship successful, or have unrealistic expectations from a relationship.

REWARD:  The only reward I'm looking for in a relationship is unconditional, reciprocated love, and the hard work and good fun that goes into making a relationship work.  Children, family, laughter and happiness.  Those are the things that are important!

Anyone that considers financial reward as he upside of a relationship is HIGH RISK....

To measure a woman by her financial contributions shows a focus on material matters and an inadequacy to understand the emotional bonds relationships are based on.

I'm horrified at what I've read... Simply stunned!

Sorry... I've got to add one thing...  RED FLAG - RED FLAG

This is the best post I have read on this subject matter!

Hear, hear!

Best,

E

[mspanky]

Kuna,

 I agree. This is weird. You know Prince Charles married Camilla. An  older, woman he was in love with though  he had a very young teen bride. Diana had a lot of attention, Could raise a  lot of money for charity, made the royals family cool again. He had a lot to gain from her.

  But he still pined for the woman he knew was his soulmate. He did not look at what Camilla can do for him? In fact she did more harm than good to his position in the Monarchy. But love made him more than willing to risk all for her. When you truly love someone, their value is their heart and in the way they make you feel. Not how young they are,or how much money they can contribute to the household.

[LEGAL]

Kuna very well said, I am not stunned because the true colors of a person eventually come out for all to see. I find it interesting that Turboguy tried very hard to explain VWRW's actions. Now how he will explain VWRW's last words. I have yet to respond to her tripe.
I wonder how Turboguy feels and especially in the way VWRW measures men.

LEGAL

[Erwin]

Kuna,

 I agree. This is weird. You know Prince Charles married Camilla. An  older, woman he was in love with though  he had a very young teen bride. Diana had a lot of attention, Could raise a  lot of money for charity, made the royals family cool again. He had a lot to gain from her.

  But he still pined for the woman he knew was his soulmate. He did not look at what Camilla can do for him? In fact she did more harm than good to his position in the Monarchy. But love made him more than willing to risk all for her. When you truly love someone, their value is their heart and in the way they make you feel. Not how young they are,or how much money they can contribute to the household.

Kuna,

Well said!

E

[mspanky]

 Legal,

 I am stunned by all of this. A few days ago I was looking at your Olga's pic and the first thing came to my mind was how truly beautiful and kind she looked.You are a lucky guy. I'm sure her beauty goes deep on the inside also.

   By the way guys, I better run and tell my dad he has a low value wife. My mother is only 6 years younger than him and stayed home and took care of the house,kids and my father. But she brought in no income. Just devoted her life to taking care of the household, putting her husband and children's needs before her own, taking care to make sure bills were paid ect.But that poor women will be devastated to know that means zilch,she is worthless!!! A .5 person. Not even a whole person.Unreal!!!

[vwrw]

From Joty:
vwrw i believe you owe olga an apolgy.

Why? …maybe due to I said Olga is beautiful, clever and has other virtues…or maybe due to I hint she has not fluent English and has not own income…But in both cases I said truth.

There is only thing I feel sorry…I compared two members’ wives

Legal, Olga and JB forgive me, please. I just now remembered it is banned to compare members’ wives. I will not do so any more, promise.

Maybe you will feel better if I say:
I will consider myself to be little reward wife during all the time I have not fluent English and my own income.

[Kuna]

Kuna very well said, I am not stunned because the true colors of a person eventually come out for all to see. I find it interesting that Turboguy tried very hard to explain VWRW's actions. Now how he will explain VWRW's last words. I have yet to respond to her tripe.


LEGAL

Legal,

I really don't want to be too hard on anyone here AND it has nothing to do with me but I still think vwrw NEEDS to take the option of "language barrier".  What has been said is atrocious but the only one that should be REALLY worried is Turbo.

If he's not privately worried... he is delusional!

I don't blame Turbo at all for defending his fiance but he's either got to have a sick feeling in his stomach right now and thinking of a way to have a heart to heart talk, or he is being very foolish.

Scary stuff in my mind!

Kuna

(To anyone that's offended by my post I'm sorry.. but that's my 20 cents worth... or $2 if you like.. or $20 if you like...  Hell... let's make it my $200,000 worth if we're suddenly focused on money!)

[LEGAL]

From Joty:
vwrw i believe you owe olga an apolgy.

Why? …maybe due to I said Olga is beautiful, clever and has other virtues…or maybe due to I hint she has not fluent English and has not own income…But in both cases I said truth.

There is only thing I feel sorry…I compared two members’ wives

Legal, Olga and JB forgive me, please. I just now remembered it is banned to compare members’ wives. I will not do so any more, promise.

Maybe you will feel better if I say:
I will consider myself to be little reward wife during all the time I have not fluent English and my own income.

VWRW,
Number one! Olga has very good English spends much time discussing and preparing catastrophic and wrongfull death cases with attorneys and doctors I work with on a daily basis. These are not fender benders it takes articulating skills, intelligence  and character, which Olga has and handles very well. Olga also has  proper decorum in and out of the courtroom. Again you assumed  that is the worse thing you can ever do especially in my business, or in life! Number two as far as Olga's income that is none of your business. Again you did not speak the truth! You just showed the world your true nature.

 Kuna you are right RED FLAG.   I truly feel bad Turboguy.

LEGAL

[I/O]

Pity this has gone downhill as it has, but I kinda recall raising this flag some weeks ago and it was summarily dismissed.  Time will show.

I/O

[Elen]

Ah  I see discussion is still rolling around Legal's family 

well well I'll wait when it returns on topic 

Though I try to do that myself

To my mind you "buy" a cat in a bag marring to person from other society The only things you could see before marriage and based your opinion on without any illusions and misunderstandings is age ( which is just "temporary" thing) and beauty ( which in majority cases is temporary thing too and in addition "depended" thing from a start as well) Well sex may be also. But that's all
 For getting idea about other values you would wish to see in your future wife you would need a LOT of time spent together and rather good level of common language. Also it would be not bad to have enough knowledge about "her" culture to understand that level she archived back in her home  In many cases what obvious for people raised in the same society in that mater slip out of foreigner's observation and even rather "average" by local standarts girl  could go for "intellectual" ( if she is young an beauty of course  in eyes of foreigner fiance) (Though truth tell I think opening eyes on spout's intelligence level only some times later after marrieage is mostly wive's problem)

 So all after all a choice is based on those "age and beauty" and illusions about "her" personality And it's just in males' nature to wish more younger and more "beauty"  Not many could fight a temptation when they appear in company of N hot young girls who wish to move abroad ( by any means in too many cases)

So that. Just  IMHO
Disclaimer
 All wrote above is wrote in "general" speaking so there is no need to re-tell me Legal's family chronicle one more time. I read them already and BELIVE every word   

[DKMM]

Oy!  What have we here.  This thread needs a new spin badly!

Let me try:

The original topic was started by a one "Mir" stating something about a guy on here recently who said he wanted a girl who is young to marry and then something about her being in her 20s.  Was that in reference to my post a few days ago about "standards for a wife?"  I do wonder, although it would make sense that I want a wife in her 20's being in my 20's myself.  

And yes, i want youth and beauty, but I can get that here too so there is more to it obviously.  

OK carry on.  

[vwrw]

Form Mspanky:
are you trying to say you chose a much older man because  he is low risk and very few women will try to steal him in the U.S. ?

Nope. No.
Marrying “old man” is taking huge risk for young woman. She has less worldliness… he may lose interest to her.

[vwrw]

From Kuna:
the availability of enough money to provide security and the basic comforts money has NOTHING to do with the success of a relationship

Yeah.
Show me which post of mine disagree with these words of yours.

From Kuna:
Anyone that considers financial reward as he upside of a relationship is HIGH RISK....

Show me where I said the financial reward is upside of a relationship.
All I said is that woman with fluent English and own income is much more the reward.
PAY attention I said BOTH women ARE rewards even without their financial contributions.

[Kuna]

From Kuna:
the availability of enough money to provide security and the basic comforts money has NOTHING to do with the success of a relationship

Yeah.
Show me which post of mine disagree with these words of yours.

From Kuna:
Anyone that considers financial reward as he upside of a relationship is HIGH RISK....

Show me where I said the financial reward is upside of a relationship.
All I said is that woman with fluent English and own income is much more the reward.
PAY attention I said BOTH women ARE rewards even without their financial contributions.

vwrw,

I gave you the benefit of the doubt when others were questioning the vast age difference you have in your relationship but I can't give you the benefit of the doubt when I read back through your recent posts.

I don't intend debating you... I think you've said enough.  You're not my problem but it seems you might be Turbo's problem.

You said terrible things...  and defending them is worse than making them in the first place.

Kuna

[funkola]

Well, I have learned not to ever reveal any personal info on this forum. So it has been productive in that regard. Time to go change my avatar............