So IT IS the youth (and the beauty)

[LEGAL]

I respect you very much KenC.   Olga did not want me to say some of what you stated and it is fact. As many of you have read in my prior post I tried to give both TurboGuy & VWRW a easy way out but just like a politician  the more you talk the deeper you sink in sh!t.

LEGAL

[Zhena]

I have to say,that reading this topic made me feel somewhat uncomfortable...A comment of one woman to another grew up to a great fight of the dogs. You all beat Turbo here cos he stands after vwrw...of course he will,what would you do on his place?...Should the guys,at all,interfere in the womans arguing?.. You see  to what it can come...Some people are more straight in their saying,some people think they are much better than those straight...Anyway you wont change anyones mind,so why all this?..We all are different so the different viewpoints exist. I dont like when it comes to insulting,sometimes the people cant handle the emotions.

[jb]

Zhena,

Yes, some people did get their panties in a bunch,,,others did not.  No need to get upset, it's all in the family, ya know.

[LEGAL]

Yes, Zhena,
we cannot change anybody's  mind but we can share our thoughts about such situation and state our opinion.

Olga

[Vaughn]

Yeah, I agree, KenC seldom disappoints when getting to the point.
In fact, he quoted Turbo, and I had missed this one: "So now you are trying to say that a typical American man who had a choice of a younger, beautiful sexy, intelligent, romantic, caring woman is always going to run for the hills and seek out a more dowdy same aged woman."

LMAO, Turbo! DOWDY?

Olga, would these have the same meaning?
безвкусная, немодная....

Methinks TG&VWRW have painted themselves into an
incredible corner!?!

[Photo Guy]

One of the posters has admitted that the main reason he went looking for a bride in the FSU was because he believed that he could find a woman much younger then himself (and much younger then he could get in his own country).
Perhaps that is the only reason for people to enter this quest?
Any comments?

and who was this poster? There are many men here at RWD who have pursued and found
a younger woman in the FSU. Many men like younger women. I don't think it's immoral.
If the gap is huge, like 40 years, sure there will be difficulties that will have to be overcome.

No, it is not the only reason for searching over there. Many men are attracted to the
Russian 'soul', that undefinable quality that is the result of the cultural history of
FSU.  A Russian woman has some unique beautiful inner qualities and also unique
ugly qualities. We all want to find the mixture that best suits us.  Some have been
lucky enough to find that special woman, and I think it's more often a case of luck
rather than pragmatism.  Sometimes a lack of youth can be more than offset by
other inner qualities of wisdom, maturity, grace, and humor. The great thing is that
there are many middle aged women over there who look very attractive- a higher percentage
than in the USA.    ...I'm sorry, was this off-topic?  <wink>

[Turboguy]

Tg,

 Now you've got me curious. I understand rwvw respect people who are successful in businees. What do you do? I'm a boring accountant.

No,,, jb is just a long standing member of the RWD with a pretty good memory.  You have always been a young skirt chaser. Deny that and I'll call you a liar, and 99% of the membership will support me.  Don't start fights you can't win.

I have a manufacturing business MSpanky, not small, not big.   If you want more details www.turboturf.com      Now you know why I picked Turboguy as a handle.

[Turboguy]

Yeah, I agree, KenC seldom disappoints when getting to the point.
In fact, he quoted Turbo, and I had missed this one: "So now you are trying to say that a typical American man who had a choice of a younger, beautiful sexy, intelligent, romantic, caring woman is always going to run for the hills and seek out a more dowdy same aged woman."

LMAO, Turbo! DOWDY?

Olga, would these have the same meaning?
безвкусная, немодная....

Methinks TG&VWRW have painted themselves into an
incredible corner!?!

I am not saying all older RW are dowdy.  That is not true and we all know that.  I was just trying to make a comparison.   That is ok, I like painting floors and walls and besides we are all family and having fun anyway.

Legal,  Damn, is that what that is.  I thought I was taking a bubble bath and thought I must have really needed it because everything was so brown.

jb, If you want me to lie to agree with you about the age thing just let me know.  I don't like to lie but I can make exceptions if I really have to.

PG,  Nice post.  It was not off topic.  It was right on and the things that attracted me to VWRW was not her age.   I have no problems with her age but it had nothing to do with anything and neither of us notices a difference.

I will post this and then answer some of the others.

[mspanky]

 Now I know why you're Turboguy. Pretty impressive website.

[Turboguy]

thanks MSpanky, glad you liked it.   

Zhena, thanks for the nice words.

Ding, Ding, Ding,   End of round one.  I am heading out for the day.  See you all tomororow for round 2.

I will say, either I need to learn to type faster or you all need to learn to type slower.  It is tough when everytime I post a new one there are 5 new ones to answer.   

[LEGAL]

Vaughn,
nobody is perfect in this World.

Leonard Gershe said in his play "Butterflies are Free" - "Diarrhea is a part of our life too but there is no necessity  to show it on a stage".

Some people cannot hold their diarrhea of mind... but I don't understand why they can not make poop in their toilet... and now they try to clean themself and all around using sometimes the brown paper sometimes the soft moist  aroma napkins...

Vaughn, I just have had bath I think I will repeat... and so much soap... their napkins do not help...

Olga.

[Vaughn]

I am not saying all older RW are dowdy.

T/G, I never implied you were casting stones. BUT - I DO think
it interesting, your comparison, that is: younger, beautiful sexy, intelligent, romantic, caring woman versus
a more dowdy same aged woman......

With guys our age, T/G, I'd be likely to offer: "You mean with a
beautiful sexy, intelligent, romantic, caring woman in her 40's
(or 50's, choose one) seeking a man's attention, he's going to
roll the dice with an inexperienced younger vixen?"

My point is - just as I unjustly assigned all the "attractive" adjectives to the mature gal, and the inexperience and "vixen" label to the younger hottie, you went the opposite way - and let's toss PC-ness aside - it contradicts your notion that age was no trump card in your quest - you deny it consistently, as jb takes you to task on it. Come clean, Turbo, no need for shame, except in dishonesty with yourself.....

  Were you not indeed excited by the prospect of a future with an
accented darling young hardbody whose physical attributes were rare amongst ladies approaching (or into) middle age? I never made secrets about what qualities I sought in my future wife, who didn't just Happen to be older - that was my choice, if she'd have me.      

[LEGAL]

Guys, mind out!

A cause of diarrhea can be the bacterium E. Coli...

As it is I'm still afraid to eat spinach... Wash your hands before eating 

Olga.

 

[Turboguy]

Just ready to hop in bed.  Anyone notice that Hugh Hefner got married today.  He is 80 and she is 27.   I am not using that to justify anything or to make any points, I just thought it was intersting since we are talking about age differences.

[Mir]

Yes finding a younger women just does not happen.
Let us just think how this process works in this situation.
Men join one or more agencies.These agencies post profiles of women on their site. Men look through the catalogue and select the girls that attract them.Then they send letter/email etc to the girl showing their interest.A potential relationship starts if a girl replies.
Now if a man of 60 is looking through a catalogue then he can either select from the age range 40-50 or select all women starting from 18 to 99 or only select those under 30. There will be a different mind set for each of these approaches.
Someone can argue that well I did not start it but a girl 40 year younger liked my profile and contacted me, but would such interest be encouraged? I mean if one is teaching a class of teenaged girls who are always attractive to men of all ages and one or more of the girls has a crush on you would you thank fate for your good luck and get on with it?
Yes perhaps the only way it can happen is to just come across each other on the street or in an agency social and wham it is love at first sight.And if people believe in love at first sight is the basis of a lasting relationship then they should also believe in fairies and demons.

[Mir]

Sorry my opening sentence should be read:

Finding a younger (and I mean much younger) woman does not just happen!

Yes I am sure Hugh Hefner and the young lady share a love as deep as the ocean

[DKMM]

I suppose threads like these are bound to happen now that this board evolved into RW (married, engaged and otherwise) making up a larger % of discussions.  I for one am glad for what they bring to the table for the rest of us to learn from.  I hope vwrw doesn't stop posting on RWD, although I can't blame her for not saying anything more on this thread.

[BillyB]

I have to say,that reading this topic made me feel somewhat uncomfortable...A comment of one woman to another grew up to a great fight of the dogs. You all beat Turbo here cos he stands after vwrw...of course he will,what would you do on his place?...Should the guys,at all,interfere in the womans arguing?.. You see  to what it can come...Some people are more straight in their saying,some people think they are much better than those straight...Anyway you wont change anyones mind,so why all this?..We all are different so the different viewpoints exist. I dont like when it comes to insulting,sometimes the people cant handle the emotions.

We got RW saying the darndest things in another thread and many of us think it's cute and laugh it off but not in this thread. If it was VWRW's intent to insult, she could've done a much better job like calling someone "trailer trash".

At the beginning of Page 2 VWRW says Olga is beautiful and clever but implies she has less earning power than another members wife and almost everybody ignores the compliment. She also apologized soon after for using two members wives as an example for what she is trying to say. People jump on her and now on page 15-16 the broken record keeps on playing.

One thing that is disappointing is the attacks on another man's woman. It's not cool to attack another man's woman here, period. Either stay out of the cat fight or try to break it up. If Legal felt his wife insulted, he has the right to defend her honor but for the numerous guys out there ganging up, it doesn't show good etiquette to beat a woman down.

[LEGAL]

BillyB,

I don't want to be used...

All the thoughts that we are writing here represent our position in life our attitude to other people and  ourself ...

Olga.

[Jumper]

Mir-
to me your premise has some flaws?

I mean if one is teaching a class of teenaged girls who are always attractive to men of all ages and one or more of the girls has a crush on you would you thank fate for your good luck and get on with it?

if this is true ,and you are making some piont with it,
  it negates the general argument that a young 20 something cannot truly be attracted to an older guy,
and must be after his money or position in society or whatever..

either young girls are, or are not,  attracted to older men..
you cant differentiate tastes in men so succintly between a teenager and a 20 year old..

and you cant have it both ways
( teenage girls are attracted to almost every man, yet 20 year olds cant be truly attracted to an older guy??)
 in some debate about age gap relationships as is going on here?

but its funny,, life CAN have it both ways ,
and have both situations,
 and yes while most very young women,  would not consider or find attractive an older man, some do...

and depending on the *age of consent *,
 it really shouldnt matter to anyone else.

that doesnt mean i think guys should go to the FSU seeking to marry a woman much younger than themselves!
As if they are seriuos ion finding someone it reduces thier odds far too much for generally shallow reasons.
(since at that starting point they havnt met anyone yet and cant know thier personality and qualities)


As far as love at first sight.
that *instant infatuation*.. while perhaps not true love,,
can certainly be as good as any other reason
for the *spark* of a long term committed relationship??

to say it doesnt happen is silly!!
ive lived it.
and to define when infatuation really trancends into true love is a exercise in futility?

I met my first wife,
 and from that moment, we were basically never apart!!  
.ask anyone that knew us.
 we were  "one person" from the moment we met , untill i was widowed years later.
i think we had one argument in 7 years, and never any harsh words or thoughts between us.
i cant think of a more classic case of what most people would term
*love at first sight*

it happens! you cant go around looking for it,., it isnt common,, but it does occur.

i'm fairly jaded and STILL
certainly recognize its a reality for some people,,
and yes they have as much chance of a long term happy relationship as the couple that dated long term, and dated other people off and on, before finally deciding they were in love and "right" for each other..
 

I will tell you that my current wife diffinantly wasnt in love with me at first sight, but luckily i managed to get past that somehow

[vwrw]

Guys, who have LOVED, BEAUTIFUL and CLEVER wives.
Do you want your wives to talk with you?
Do you want your wives to make sex with you?
 I think the answers are obvious “YES” and each of you can add some more things what you want your wives doing for you.


From Legal:
I never thought of Olga as doing for me,

So as I really do not know Olga, but I believe her Legal know her VERY WELL and basing on Legal’s words:
Olga, forgive me, please. I said you are BEAUTIFUL and CLEVER, you are reward I was wrong. If I were right Legal could want something from you.
She has nothing attractive – “rescuers” think. And it gave him confidence that none of men will want something from her, as he does not. She is low risk to his mind.

From Olga:
50% of love for husband or wife and 50% of love for career    I'm for 100% of love in our relationship

Do you remember I was questioning why your Legal have made his conclusion - you are one of Narrow – minded women. Now I am not questioning any more.

From KenC:
 How "tough" a girl can she be when she has to pick up her marbles and run away from a message board when people disagree with her?  With such a low resistance to small challanges, she will never make it in business here.
KenC

KenC, you are right I have a low resistance to defend my solutions. And that is why I needed only 6 year to get everything I desired.
If 9 years ago I began to spend my time defend my solutions instead of making the solutions to come true I would never get what I have got now.

The one I am anger with is me here. 

[Mir]

AJ

Well perhaps the teenage analogy was a poor one.

As for love at first sight>yes at certain ages and in certain times it might happen.
Perhaps I should have clarified that here we are talking about love at first sight between a man who is 60 and from an English speaking country and a woman who is 25 and from Russia.

No doubt there might be women turned on by older men and certainly all older men are turned on by younger women. The questions is should all older men pursue their fantasy? And will it bring them happiness to find what they wanted(A woman 30-40 years younger) in the FSU?

TG
Please note I am not asking specifically regarding your case but as a general question.

[Jazzyclassy]

Oh My I ate the whole big Cadbury  milk chocolate with nuts while reading all this

and it proved that adult people are still Kids , they insult, get offended and discuss each other

From my impression these two couple are the same honestly!
This Turbo with his Vwrvvvv

and Legal with Olga

they proved to be on the same level  of soul development and selfishness


I am disappointed .......

Ok I can understand Guys: Legal and Turbo they are defending their women , but Women -shame on you , millions of times shame on you

You both made up this  fight and now are laying somewhere on the sofa eating cakes and watching telly and are so happy that there is the whole topic in RWD which is dedicated to you both,  and are satisfied that  all the people here are comparing you  and it is like a race am sorry , who's car is better - that is ridiculous:)

And that means you do not have attention in reality if you made such fuzz on this net forum about your lovingselves. That is complex!!!!!

You need urgently arrange peace here

[Mir]

JC

And you need help urgently to break your cadbury mild chocolate addiction (with nuts)

[Jumper]

Yes I am sure Hugh Hefner and the young lady share a love as deep as the ocean

have to say when i see her in interviews ,,
(not the other two g/fs, the one he just married)
she sure seems to be truly enamored with hugh,
it doest appear to be an act, and her reactions to other people.other women,  and him , seem to play out like any woman who cares for someone.

shes one good actress maybe,. or maybe she actually cares for him.
honestly i doubt hugh cares which it is.