I'm a total newbie... but jumped on a plane to FSU anyway! I found a winner!

[MaxxumUSA]

Thank you for all the kind words.

As for applying my intuition from my corporation to a relationship...  hehe...  I have made a few bonehead mistakes with that.  Hehe  But...  all worked out great in the end.  I will probably make a few mistakes with the relationship also...  I hope things work out in the end with that as well.

I am looking forward to staying with her for the next visit.  And...  yes... basically it is a 3 week live in short trial.  If K-1 paperwork runs slow then I will fly out for another 2-3 weeks in June.  Not sure how long that will take.

Either way I learned from past experiences I definitely want some live together time before tying the knot.  She feels the same.

For anyone wondering if they should get on the plane because you have one fear or another...  It's real simple...  Get there and do it!  Maybe I jumped the gun a bit on my good gut feeling...  but I don't see how someone can wait longer than a month or maybe two (talking to a woman exclusively) to get a trip planned.  The second you get the plane ticket the woman  you are talking to will probably begin to think very seriously about her possible future with you.

As for the compliments about us looking good together... thank you!  My comment...  I remember walking next to her many times after the second day of my visit thinking to myself consciously that I should hold her hand...  but when I look down I notice my hand was already holding hers without me even thinking about it.  We just clicked so naturally and comfortably.

Lily,
Yes...  that is Samara near the bank of the Volga.  I have a few photos of landmarks their.  I will post more photos sometime soon...  I need to trim the large photos first and I am a bit tired right now.

Thor....  Before I flew there I did not realize how HUGE the language barrier would be.  I figured the Samara region had 3.2 million people or so ...  so I figured there would be plenty of english speaking people.  NOT AT ALL.  Even in Moscow I had trouble just getting from terminal one to terminal two.  The only english speakers were taxi drivers trying to get MAX money out of me for the trip.  BTW...  I took a free Aeroflot shuttle between the terminals.  On the return trip I had to pay a taxi $80.00 - the going rate for the trip between terminals.  My point being that I did not realize just how deep in FSU I was traveling.  I'm using pimsleur CD's now and hope to be complet with the first course before I travel in a few weeks.

During lunch the day after my arrival there were two old men at our restaurant enjoying vodka, bread, and fish.  They heard my english and started to get involved with us.  They spoke no english at all.  They bought me two shots of vodka while I was having lunch with Elena.  I stand up, do the shots with them. (downing them completely)  They start saying stuff in russian to each other and me...  something to the effect of "Wow..  he shot em down" I am sure is what they said.  So they buy me one more shot.  I stand up and cheers with the men again.  My Elena is getting a bit nervouse because these men were really tanked.  One of the men speaks German and starts trying it out on me since I don't speak russian.  This is great!  I lived in germany for three years...  so my german is reasonable but diminished over the years.  His german was a wee bit better than my non-existent russian.  LOL  We ranted back and forth in german a bit, did another shot of vodka, then I tried to retreat to my lovely lunch date.  They would not leave us alone.  Finally I get up, buy a flask of vodka for the three of us men.  We shoot it down.  I ask Elena to translate for me but she is hesitant because these men are drunk...  After refusing a few times I ask her to trust me and convince her to translate exactly what I say.  I tell them (through her) "My girlfriend is translating for me.  Thank you so very much for your russian hospitality.  I will remember this day.  Now, I want to spend time with my lovely date.  Please enjoy your time together."  My tone of voice was appreciative but firm...  I wanted them to leave us alone.  Not in a rude way.  In a man-to-man 'hey, I'm with a hottie and busy now' way.  LMAO  So...  they got the point and let us be while we had our lunch.  And...  per my word to them...  I do remember that day.  Very well.

I am happy that I have started this thread.  Again... thank you all for the kind words.

[Jumper]

Dave,
you seem open minded and patient.

two things that will fare you well in this venture!!


as far as the two years,, we were engaged for one if them,  
so i was not dragging my feet all that bad

but yea i was not in any rush,,
and I wouldnt marry a girl stateside,that  i had only a couple months face time with..
also , as i mentioned , no way would my wife have agreed to marry that quickly as she dint love me yet..with what many RW call "the big love"

when she did,, i wouldnt have been able to shake her off.. with a bulldozer,,
before that "big love" developed ..
she cared for me,but wouldnt have been heartbroken if we
broke up..just how it is(was).
some relationships take time to develope into something dseepo enough for marriage to be a realistic step further?
folks and situations are just different.
everyone has their own comfort level.

also in our situation i had lived long term in europe before,and was living there part time during this time period as well.allowing for ease of travel to see each other ,and no real reason to hurry anthing along.
even after marriage ,and after visa approval,
we waited awhile before her relocation here.
different circumstances- and no rush.

anyway i'm sure you'll have more trips and you two know your compatabilty far more than anyone can *guesstimate*
 from a couple of posts!

you seem to have had the seriuos discussions,, and thats diffinantly important..

your old G/f is a good example of what we all have probably done in some relationship or another in the past ..
..just let it develope without having the big heart to heart about
the core and important things..

its just easy in these long distance situations to do that as well..
as often the cultural and language barrier are just another reason to let this slip by
,especially if you really hit it off initially and fall hard for each other.
 
so like many will advise you ,
have fiun of course!
but try and keep your trips less vacation like ,
and more like your "married daily routine" would be..

take enough time to have a few good fights to see how compatable you are in working thru disagreements.
stuff like that that sounds silly on the surface,
but can really help in the long run.

again good luck!

it can be a bit of a roller coaster ,,
but also ultimately very rewarding.

[Lily]

Maxx,

Samara should be about no more than 1.5 millions.

Did Elena tell you that in the Soviet time Samara used to be one of the Soviet few 'closed' city, a city restricted to the foreighers? There were a few in the USSR because of airspace industry plants located there. Those cities became 'opened' to private foreign visits only some time about 1991.

No wonder people don't speak languages. To be born there is a real disadvantage for natural polyglotts  Just imagine, more than a million of people living under a DOUBLE iron curtain 

[DKMM]

Maxxum, I'm sure you see the importance of learning the language.  I suggest Rosetta stone, its a bit more immersive.  Of if you can take some lessons.  It will go a long way to a happy life with her.  Plus, you want to be able to speak to your future child da?

I had a near same experience with a Russian speaking German (mines probably as schlect as yours), vodka and the whole bit.  I had a hard time understanding his German with the thick Russian accent.  Something German speaking Russians have always laughed at was when I say "Rodina uber alles".   

[Thor]

Thor....  Before I flew there I did not realize how HUGE the language barrier would be.  I figured the Samara region had 3.2 million people or so ...  so I figured there would be plenty of english speaking people.  NOT AT ALL.  Even in Moscow I had trouble just getting from terminal one to terminal two.  The only english speakers were taxi drivers trying to get MAX money out of me for the trip.  BTW...  I took a free Aeroflot shuttle between the terminals.  On the return trip I had to pay a taxi $80.00 - the going rate for the trip between terminals.  My point being that I did not realize just how deep in FSU I was traveling.  I'm using pimsleur CD's now and hope to be complet with the first course before I travel in a few weeks.

[/quote]

Yes it is thrue that very few peoples seems to speak English. But more and more of the new generation speaks English now. My experience is that more peoples can speak English but they are very shy and say that they don't speak English at all. But if they try to speak some English with you, you Will see that they speak quit good English. We must also remember that FSU peoples are very proud and still believe that Russia is a super power in the world....But yes it can be a huge problem to find a taxi or to try to speak with peoples in stores sometimes. I do it this way if I have trouble, I call my wife and let her speak to the shop worker and then it use to be fine.

[Lily]

I figured the Samara region had 3.2 million people or so
 

I have to correct myself, the word 'region' has been overlooked. Yes the Samara region could be about that, but the Samara city itself should be no more than 1.5. million.

[MaxxumUSA]

Yes it is thrue that very few peoples seems to speak English. But more and more of the new generation speaks English now. My experience is that more peoples can speak English but they are very shy and say that they don't speak English at all. But if they try to speak some English with you, you Will see that they speak quit good English. We must also remember that FSU peoples are very proud and still believe that Russia is a super power in the world....But yes it can be a huge problem to find a taxi or to try to speak with peoples in stores sometimes. I do it this way if I have trouble, I call my wife and let her speak to the shop worker and then it use to be fine.

Thor...  Yes...  I had to call her a few times on my cell phone to translate for me.    I would much rather learn the basics than (Need to) call her.  Then again...  she enjoys helping so what the heck.

DKMM...  It's funny you ran into the same old men that I did!  LMAO.  Small world, eh?  Hehe

About rosetta stone...  I tried that first.  It was ok...  but I REALLY like the pimsleur.  I am starting to communicate a little already and it's only been a week since I listened to the first CD.  And I'm only on lesson 5 or 6.  I know I will need more instruction of some sort after this.  I just hope I can speak on a very basic level.  I was unable to say even the basic words on my first visit.  Please, thank you, excuse me, I don't understand russian, etc.  I have all that down already.

Yes... if all goes well we will have children.  I definitely would like them to be bilinguil.  This will allow them to communicate with their family in russia if for no other reason.  I think the best way for this is to speak russian while they are infants and keep it as part of our regular life.

Here are some other Samara photos:

[Thor]

Thor...  Yes...  I had to call her a few times on my cell phone to translate for me.    I would much rather learn the basics than (Need to) call her.  Then again...  she enjoys helping so what the heck.

Yes I always calls my wife if it is problems. Today I where at a Adidas shop in Sovjetskaya in Kharkov (The shops are full with the spring collection now ). Anyway as so many times before when I enter a shop so did the workers just go away. I am shure that they can see that I am a foreigner (That is what my wife tells me, that EVERYBODY can see that I am a forreign man )...And I think that they are scared to death that they maybe must speak English . Anyway I have been so many times to Ukraine that I speak some basic Russian now, sow I can help myself mostly . Learn the numbers from 1 to 50, and how to order, then they will understand you more.

[Shadow]

Thor perhas it is not your English they worry about but your Russian

[Thor]

Thor perhas it is not your English they worry about but your Russian

Maybe

[MaxxumUSA]

Ok all,

I arrived in Samara for my second visit Friday, Mar 30th.  I will stay until April 18 BTW.  Elena picked me up at the airport with her friend Natasha, the nice blonde hair woman in the photo.  Natasha waited in her car so me and Elena had 15 minutes or so alone time before my baggage came from the plane.  I don't think we spoke a word for the first 10 minutes.  We kissed, hugged, a tiny tear hear and there.  We were SO happy to be together again.  We spent the next day or so alone together catching up on conversation and stuff like that. 

That same good feeling lasted the next couple days.  I did plan on proposing to her on Sunday.  As a matter of fact, I had arranged some special things without her knowing.  I contacted a businessman in Samara that speaks English and is happy to help Americans with odds and ends on business trips.  I had him reserve a private room at a nice romantic restaurant for Sunday at 5:00.

So, Sunday comes and we're relaxing because we went out Saturday night and needed to recover.  Around 3:30 pm she gets a call from her brother and he will be at her flat in one hour to get a hair cut.  So...  I had to tell her I had plans for us.  She was blown away!  She did not believe me and would not call her brother to postpone the plans.  She thought it was my April 1 joke on her.  But it was not.  So I called up my new friend, Mikhail, and he assured her this was no joke and he would arrive to pick us up at 4:40. 

She is shocked.  This is a TOTAL surprise.  I mean…  5 minutes before her brother called she was asking what she wanted to do that evening and I said:  “Whatever you want, my darling!” with a little smile in the back of my mind. 

Elena is complaining (Only a tiny bit) that I should not have surprised her...  she wanted to go have her hair done.  I assured her she would look just fine and she better get rocking and rolling because we have one hour.  At this time she still has no idea where we are going other than the fact that I am ironing my nice clothes and she realizes it will be nice whatever is going on.  So...  of course she gets ready and of course she looks beautiful as usual.  But I go to put my slacks on and I have a problem.  I grabbed the wrong pair of slacks and they are 2" too small in the waist.  I was very upset for about 2 minutes but Elena calms me down, then we made the best of things and I put on jeans with my dress shirt.

Anywho...  Mikhail shows up on time, and we go out.  He has 5 beautiful long stem red roses for Elena as we discussed.  And we are off to Bora Bora, a nice cozy restaurant here in Samara.  We had the whole restaurant and their staff at our disposal.  The whole atmosphere was awesome.

We sat together for a few minutes and talked.  We told each other some private things, and I proposed marriage.  She accepted.  Immediately I asked for a pack of cigarettes.  She looked at me as if to say she did not want to smell the cigarette smoke.  Of course her engagement ring was in the pack and that is the only reason I needed it.  So I pull the REAL* ring out and give it to her.

*read below for explanation of first, second, and REAL ring…

The first ring:  When I arrived Friday, after we got settled at her flat, I told her I had a ring for her.  She smiled and looked thrilled.  I gave her a ring that – while pretty neat – was more a joke but she did not know it.  It was made of lava and she actually wore it the next day complimenting me on how much she liked it.

The second ring:  Saturday night we went out to a night club with friends.  Both of us were a bit toasty by the time we returned to the flat.  It was technically April 1 which is April fools of course.  So I started telling her while we were still out that I had a ring I REALLY had to give her.  I could not bear to wait any longer.  She told me wait until we are not drunk for this special ring.  Hehe!  I insisted so she obliged and agreed she would accept the ring that night.  We stumbled into the flat, she took off all rings from all her fingers and waited excitedly.  I had a ring box and opened it to reveal her April fools ring.  It was a mood ring I picked up.  I went all out….  Even had the chart that tells you what mood you’re in when the silly thing turns colors.  I could tell she was not exactly thrilled with my joke.  But I could tell she might suspect this is a joke.  We played with the damn thing for a bit trying to make it change colors but it did not work.  It wasn’t even close to the right size for ANY of her fingers.  (Remember guys/gals…  this was a joke ring.)


The REAL ring:  After putting the ring on her finger, I tell her it is a special ring.  It is sized perfectly by the way.  She says she knows the ring is special.  I tell her to please tell me the story about this ring, since she knows.  Confused look on her face.    So I explain to her…  This ring was the ring my grandfather gave my grandmother when he proposed before he went to fight in World War II.  This ring is a family heirloom and is my family’s most valuable heirloom. (In sentimental value) It is a beautiful ring with an early 1900’s cut.  I think it’s called a princess cut.  I had it reconstructed, repaired, sized, and polished leaving the original design and diamond.  It is light champagne color and was sought after in my grandfather’s time.  Elena was quite overwhelmed at this point and tears of joy flowed from her eyes.

Elena called her mom with the news after we spent more alone time in the restaurant.  After dinner we were met by her brother, then later a few of her close friends for some celebration.  Well…  maybe A LOT of celebration!  We had a blast.  Of course we joked about the other two rings.

Elena told me this was the best day of her life.  Other than the birth of my son, this was also the best for me.  And I have had some great days!

Today is Tuesday, two days after the events I have told about here.  We still have a couple more weeks before I return to USA.  I will give a trip report about the other days when I return or as I have time.  I have wanted to write about this one day while the small details are fresh in my head.

By the by...  I'm mainly posting this to encourage others to move forward.  It's all a bit scary and overwhelming, but the rewards are great.

[Kuna]

Maxxum,

Congratulations... and great photos too.  Best wishes for the future.   

Kuna

[LEGAL]

Congratulations MaxxumUSA & Elena





LEGAL & Olga

[Lily]

    But I go to put my slacks on and I have a problem.  I grabbed the wrong pair of slacks and they are 2" too small in the waist.      
 

Did you grabbed those slacks right from the shop rack before the trip without trying them first on you?   May be you consider some running along Volga to get them right for you if you live near the Osipenko embankment, then those are one of the most beautiful locations of Samara and there are usualy some runners exercising.

 
This ring was the ring my grandfather gave my grandmother when he proposed before he went to fight in World War II.  This ring is a family heirloom and is my family’s most valuable heirloom. (In sentimental value) It is a beautiful ring with an early 1900’s cut.  I think it’s called a princess cut.  I had it reconstructed, repaired, sized, and polished leaving the original design and diamond.  It is light champagne color and was sought after in my grandfather’s time.  Elena was quite overwhelmed at this point and tears of joy flowed from her eyes.
 

This part made my heart bit stronger. I ador old family antiques, and am happy to own a few.
By the way, is this ring visible on the photo where Elena holds her hand right over your white shirt?

[Chelchov]

Wow, What a great story!  maxxumUSA...

Biggest Congratulations, Dave and Elena.. 

 

[MaxxumUSA]

Did you grabbed those slacks right from the shop rack before the trip without trying them first on you?   May be you consider some running along Volga to get them right for you if you live near the Osipenko embankment, then those are one of the most beautiful locations of Samara and there are usualy some runners exercising.

This part made my heart bit stronger. I ador old family antiques, and am happy to own a few.
By the way, is this ring visible on the photo where Elena holds her hand right over your white shirt?

Lily,

I have many nice slacks at home.  This one old pair somehow made it on my rack that had two other pair the correct current size.  I think my housekeeper might have seen them lying in my (unlabeled) salvation army pile and put this small pair on my good rack.  I picked the pair based on color and did not even think to try them on.

Note to self:  TRY clothes on before traveling 5,000 miles!

As for the ring, yes, that is it on her left hand in the picture.  I'm not sure if this is correct handing in Russia but I told Elena it is her choice which hand.  Since she is Russian engaged to an American I think she has the right to choose?  Besides that, she is a woman and has the right anyway.  Not sure if this is the reason you ask?

Thanks again to all for the congrats!

[Lily]

Dave, of course she can choose  I have no idea myself on which hand and finger to wear rings. Just asked whether this is the same old family ring shown on the photo that you tell about, or not.

also I could tell that your faces look a bit similar ro each other  Good sign IMO.
Best of luck! 

[Jack]

Ohhh, I just love these success stories with all the makings of a romantic Hollywood type movie. 

And some of the advice you have given and shared is priceless. 
....After three days of talking via Skype you knew you wanted to meet this woman.
....narrow the field to one woman and go sweep her off her feet!
....Even though you have the time and opportunity to visit her, you don't see a need for a long courtship.
....You and Elena are not really trying to take things slow.
....You help her with a LITTLE money
....You would be willing to move to Samara if it was the only way you two could be together.
....You did not read any forums at all until after you visited Russia. Your sort of glad I did it this way.
....Although you make a mid 6 figures income you don't see money being a motivator to her (but maybe some of the toys you own that you shared with her might be a motivator).
....Before you flew there you did not realize how HUGE the language barrier would be.
....It is the same as meeting a woman online that lives a state away here in the USA.
....When there were so many thousands of profiles you viewed from Russia you figured your chances were pretty good of finding a woman suitable to be your soul mate and partner in life.

All these thousands of profiles of Russian women and the very best Russian woman for you is the first and only Russian woman you ever met. I guess you don't wonder what might have happened when if you met a second or third Russian woman do you?  Maxxium I can also relate to the first Russian woman I ever met. Man, I could never find such an attractive, sexy beauty like her in the states. I also told myself I was in love, and like you, proposed to get married. But unlike you I did make a promise to meet a second Russian woman in St. Pete, Veronica.  After meeting Veronica I realized I could also fall in love with her as well, and both ladies wanted to marry me.

I hope the one and only Russian woman you ever met was really the best Russian woman to spend your life with.

Now one thing you did mention Maxxium that I think was in error. You have said you will not reveal your income and how much you make to Elena until you are married. This is not the case. She will know this as part of the K-1 package and the interview before coming to America.

And when she said to you in a firm, almost demanding voice "I want child!", of course Maxxium, she's 30 years of age. When a childless Russian women hit's that 30 year mark it is probably the number one thing on her mind.

Your lucky to have found a Russian woman who had a home computer. You know not many 30 year old single Russian women own their own flat.  And own their own car!!  Working for a beauty parlor this is amazing.

Maxxum you are indeed a lucky man.  You get a reply from your ad from this woman. You write and call her with help of translations and interpreters and within 4-5 weeks of your first communicating, you travel half way around the world to see this one woman.

You guys hit off, even though you two cannot communicate directly with each other because she does not speak any English.  The sex was amazing (happens when your hung like a horse) and so within four days of meeting the first and only Russian woman you had ever met, you asked her to marry you.  Nothing slow about you Maxxum.

As others have expressed, I also wish you the very best.

[MaxxumUSA]

Ohhh, I just love these success stories with all the makings of a romantic Hollywood type movie. 

And some of the advice you have given and shared is priceless. 
....After three days of talking via Skype you knew you wanted to meet this woman.
....narrow the field to one woman and go sweep her off her feet!
....Even though you have the time and opportunity to visit her, you don't see a need for a long courtship.
....You and Elena are not really trying to take things slow.
....You help her with a LITTLE money
....You would be willing to move to Samara if it was the only way you two could be together.
....You did not read any forums at all until after you visited Russia. Your sort of glad I did it this way.
....Although you make a mid 6 figures income you don't see money being a motivator to her (but maybe some of the toys you own that you shared with her might be a motivator).
....Before you flew there you did not realize how HUGE the language barrier would be.
....It is the same as meeting a woman online that lives a state away here in the USA.
....When there were so many thousands of profiles you viewed from Russia you figured your chances were pretty good of finding a woman suitable to be your soul mate and partner in life.

All these thousands of profiles of Russian women and the very best Russian woman for you is the first and only Russian woman you ever met. I guess you don't wonder what might have happened when if you met a second or third Russian woman do you?  Maxxium I can also relate to the first Russian woman I ever met. Man, I could never find such an attractive, sexy beauty like her in the states. I also told myself I was in love, and like you, proposed to get married. But unlike you I did make a promise to meet a second Russian woman in St. Pete, Veronica.  After meeting Veronica I realized I could also fall in love with her as well, and both ladies wanted to marry me.

I hope the one and only Russian woman you ever met was really the best Russian woman to spend your life with.

Now one thing you did mention Maxxium that I think was in error. You have said you will not reveal your income and how much you make to Elena until you are married. This is not the case. She will know this as part of the K-1 package and the interview before coming to America.

And when she said to you in a firm, almost demanding voice "I want child!", of course Maxxium, she's 30 years of age. When a childless Russian women hit's that 30 year mark it is probably the number one thing on her mind.

Your lucky to have found a Russian woman who had a home computer. You know not many 30 year old single Russian women own their own flat.  And own their own car!!  Working for a beauty parlor this is amazing.

Maxxum you are indeed a lucky man.  You get a reply from your ad from this woman. You write and call her with help of translations and interpreters and within 4-5 weeks of your first communicating, you travel half way around the world to see this one woman.

You guys hit off, even though you two cannot communicate directly with each other because she does not speak any English.  The sex was amazing (happens when your hung like a horse) and so within four days of meeting the first and only Russian woman you had ever met, you asked her to marry you.  Nothing slow about you Maxxum.

As others have expressed, I also wish you the very best.

Jack,  Blow me!

I've never had a dealing with you but you are obviously quite the master jagoff and a true cynic.

For the record I don't even feel the need to defend myself (to you) in any way.  But since it will be others reading I will state a few facts...  First... me and my GF communicate near perfectly.  As a matter of fact we have not had the need for a translator - not even software - since I arrived FOR MY SECOND VISIT.  She speaks very good English - enough for her to get along fine without me if she chose in the USA.  We talk on average 1-2 hours a day since we started talking January 2 and her English has improved a lot.  I spoke about the HUGE Language barrier relating to the amount SHE had to translate for me to her friends and relatives.

Elena is not the first girl I emailed or talked to in email.  But she is one of the first.  For the record she is neither the first beautiful woman I have dated either.   She is beautiful to me and that's all I know.  You're grossly wrong in assuming I need to fly to Russia to find a piece of ass.  I will not post pictures of past GF's from USA,Europe, and Argentina for their sake but I will tell you they are as attractive or more attractive than any women I've seen you standing or sitting next to in your photo gallery.

As for how I'm hung...  That was a joke which you obviously took wrong and used to attack me for no reason, just like the rest of my story.  But...  it is true that I am probably much more man than you in many ways.  I will leave this statement to cover any of your questions about income, toys, etc.

So Jack...  Let me ask you...  Why did you come to Russia?  To think you are some kind of player and get many beautiful women?  Great for you that you found a place YOU can do that.  Me...  I can do that anywhere in the world.  Including the USA.  I came to Russia in search of a soulmate so I could get out of the game.  Not chase the game.  I had enough of that crap and there is more for me if I want it.

WTF is your attacking post to me all about?  Trying to convince people that they need your services to meet hundreds of women?  Sorry man, they don't.  I think you probably do a great job...  but don't attack me because I did not go your route.

And for the record you can take your best wishes and...  shove them up your A$$,JACK.  They are not sincere I don't want any part of them, or you for that case.

Please don't insult my girl.  She is the real deal.  I'm not a frigging fool.  At least be man enough to confront me if you have a problem with me.

Your complete post sarcasm, criticism, and rudeness here is completely uncalled for.  I have heard of you but never thought you would go out of your way to attack someone like this.

Like I said, Jack...  Blow me.

[Crow331]

Congrats Maxxum!  Is the blonde in the red dress available?

Jack, you own an agency and you're that cynical??  How do you stay in business with such attitude?

[Jack]

whoaaaaa Maxxum, you think this was an attack?    

"For the record I don't even feel the need to defend myself (to you) in any way."

Maxxum, no one, certainly not me, is asking or requesting you to defend yourself. 

"Elena is not the first girl I emailed or talked to in email."

Maxxum please do not try to say, or make such allegations, I have said things I did not.  I did not say she was the first and only girl you e-mailed or talked with.  I did say she was the first and only Russian women you met once you decided to pursue a Russian bride and within four days of meeting your first and only Russian woman you asked her to marry you.  I think by saying this, or rather pointing it out, you have become offended. 

"For the record she is neither the first beautiful woman I have dated either.   She is beautiful to me and that's all I know."

Maxxum, no one has said anything about the beauty of your woman. Where is this statement coming from?  Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all that matters is how you perceive her beauty.

"I will not post pictures of past GF's from USA, Europe, and Argentina for their sake but I will tell you they are as attractive or more attractive than any women I've seen you standing or sitting next to in your photo gallery."

Again I will state that I NEVER said, or made any reference to, Elena and her looks. You, for some reason, seem to be making Elena's appearence an issue. Elena's looks are not an issue to me.

But if you want to try to make this personal, as it appears, and make a comparison as to the beauty of the ladies I am attracted to, involved with, I will tell you I would never be seen with, photographed with, or have any interest in your lady.   As I said, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.  You like the the type of ladies who you think are beautiful.  I like the type women I think are beautiful and we have a totally different perspective of women's beauty. It's natural.

"You're grossly wrong in assuming I need to fly to Russia to find a piece of ass."

Maxxum WHO is assuming this??   WHO assumed you have to fly to Russia to get laid? hummm, wonder what's going on here with these false assumptions you are proclaiming.  Where did this statement come from?  Maxxum, did you hit the vodka before you wrote your reply?

"Why did you come to Russia?"

In hopes of finding a wonderful and beautiful Russian bride.

WTF is your attacking post to me all about?"

I was not attacking you Maxxum. If I am not mistaken I only mentioned things that you yourself had previously mentioned.

"Trying to convince people that they need your services to meet hundreds of women?  Sorry man, they don't."

And I agree 100%. Especially for those men who prefer to meet and marry the first and only Russian women they met.  But for guys who do prefer to meet a lot of good and sincere women in a short period of time, a lot of guys do seek my services Maxxum.

"Please don't insult my girl."

Maxxum, I never insulted your girl.  geezzzz, you must have hit the vodka bottle  ???

"Your complete post sarcasm, criticism, and rudeness here is completely uncalled for.   I have heard of you but never thought you would go out of your way to attack someone like this."

Oh my Maxxum, you think my post was rude?  I'm sorry you feel that way.

Criticism?  Well, I am sorry that you feel my criticism was uncalled for. As I said, basically I only wrote what you had previously written, with the exception of me telling you about my experience with the first Russian woman I met and that like you I also fell in love (I thought) and asked her to marry me as I left Moscow.   Been there, done that Maxxum.

And if you think this was an attack I don't think your thick skinned enough to last to long around here, but hope you do as with your experience and procedure I think you will be a great education to many new guys.

"Crow331
Jack, you own an agency and you're that cynical??  How do you stay in business with such attitude?"

Crow, it's not called being cynical, it's called being realistic.   


As far as staying in business most guys I talk to enjoy someone being upfront with them rather them trying to blow smoke up their ass.  I think I tell a lot of guys what they don't want to hear and as a result a percentage, usually about 15%, don't like what I tell them to the point it's  pakaaaa.....   But as long as their are guys who are realistic with their expectations their will always be a fair amount of business.

[MaxxumUSA]

Jack,

I did not even read your full response.  Matter of fact I'm considering putting you on ignore.

You and I know damn well what your post was intended to do.  Don't play coy with me.  Be a man.

Your post was a critisism, and an attack.  You attacked my girl at least one time by saying some crap about her having her own flat and other things based on her income at a beauty shop.  - Just as an example as if to imply something is fishy?  My girl works hard and honest for her money and I would not date or marry any women who did otherwise.

The things you implied in your post while open ended are rude, and an attack.

I might be new to the russian girfriend thing but I am not new to men saying rude things without directly saying them.  Like I said...  at least be a man and say directly what you want to say without some BS defenses.

Your post was a flame and attack based on your opinions.  At least admit it.

- David

[Jack]

Maxxum, please do not put me on "ignore". I beg you, please do not do this. My feelings will be hurt.


Maxxum, MANY, MANY, MANY Russian women work 10 to 12 hours a day and 6 days a week, just like your lady.  Your lady is NOT an exception to these work conditions. Over 90% of these same single Russian women do not own their own flat and car. Your woman, no matter if you want to accept it or not, IS an exception with regards to this.  And that is not implying anything bad, only that she is an exception in having these same things that most single Russian women do not have.  Is this something you want to debate Maxxum?

Maxxum anyone who has posted on RWD for any length of time, or on Planet-Love, will tell you that I ALWAYS tell men how "lucky" they were to find the best Russian woman for them and get engaged to the first and only Russian woman they ever met.  Makes me want to ask if you will buy my next lotto tickets. 

Maxxum, I noticed you have been online from 10pm Samara time until 2am Samara time. WHY would you be posting on a discussion board at this time of the evening/ night and not spending quality time with your soon to be wife?  I know what I would be doing and it ain't typing on, reading some discussion board.   

You are right in that you are new to the Russian girlfriend thing, only in your case, it's the Russian engaged to be married thing. And as someone who is new to this scene you DO have a lot to learn.  But as I said I am thankful for your post and sharing your experience. What you are doing will be helpful to many men now and those who read this thread 1-2-3 years from now.

And you are right about another thing, my post was based on my opinions and experience. I admit it.

[Admin]

OK - I admit it. I must be among the group which some have called the RWD Cheerleaders - because as I read through this topic, I find myself getting pretty irritated at those who would intentionally, or negligently, elect to derail someone who is sharing their happiness of finding a possible life partner.

Sure - I see potential warning signs - just as some said they saw warning signs when I posted about Olya more than 5 years ago. In fact, I expect that - truth be told - there is not a single married guy here who can say they did not encounter at least a couple of the things many here would describe as 'warning signs' in their own courtships and eventual marriages. So What ?!?

The simple truth is - and always will be - guys need to do it THEIR way. There is no ONE WAY to do things. We are each accountable for our own decisions - and the key is to educate one-self, make the decisions wisely - and accept the fact that life is not always predictable, and sometimes you just have to 'man up' to the hand you've been dealt and move on.

No need for rancor over some obvious fundamental truths.

Just my $.02 - FWIW

- Dan

[BC]

Dan,

I kinda share your view... from our viewpoint that was far outside MOB circles..

Within it's probably prudent to tolerate a lot less..