Newspapers ads.......(How to meet your princess)

[Hub]

WHY put in the ad in English in a Russian speaking country???????????????????????? Of course you put the ad in Russian!!! And yes it is a great idea, but it is very difficult to do it by your self, especially if you are a newbie. You need someone to screen who can be scammers and who is serious.... .

No, you do not want to put the ad in Russian.  That is if you only want to consider women who have some competency in English.  By putting the ad in English you will screen out many (but not all) non English speakers.

[Hub]

Kuna we have found the most success by printing newspaper ads in Russian and stating in the ad the lady must be able to speak at least a little English.

Many Russian women who can speak a little, read a little English, will not respond to the ad written in all English because they think there English is not good enough.  And when these women read, "you need to be able to speak at least a little English" they are more inclined to reply. /quote]


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Maybe this is true.  Jack has more experience than I.  But it doesn't seem logical to me.  They don't think their English is good enough if they read an English ad, but yet they will answer a Russian ad that says they need a little English??  Makes no sense to me.

[I/O]

Exactly!!!!Back off Bubba!!! Thats my job, LOL. 

Run Forrest, Run.....

I/O

[Kuna]

Kuna we have found the most success by printing newspaper ads in Russian and stating in the ad the lady must be able to speak at least a little English.

When only written in English we have found a lesser response rate as compared to ads being published in Russian. Being written in Russian all girls who are interested will read and maybe reply. 

As many of you guys know most Russian women want to be a perfectionist, or close to it, with anything they do and speaking/reading English is no different.   So many Russian women underestimate there own ability to speak English. This is why I have always said that if any Russian woman you have interest in says to you she speaks 'a little English' YOU run with it!!!  Most the time a little English is all it takes. These women, and  ESPECIALLY  the serious ladies, are able to pick up on English so quickly.

Many Russian women who can speak a little, read a little English, will not respond to the ad written in all English because they think there English is not good enough.  And when these women read, "you need to be able to speak at least a little English" they are more inclined to reply.

Jack,

That's an excellent tip for men wanting to write ads...

As I understand it the ads that Thor and his business partner run don't mention language and it seem to me that langaguge is a critical aspect of the search.

perhaps those dsiring a lady with a higher proficiency in English could place ads in English only and those who are more flexible can do as you said.

Kuna

[ScottinCrimea]

Jack's approach makes more sense than just posting an ad and arranging meetings with whoever responds.  It seems like you would waste a lot of time if you haven't seen a photo first or gotten some profile information.

[Rvrwind]

What you all are forgetting is that no matter how proficient they are with the English language they are still more comfortable with their native language, no matter what that may be.
I have ladies in my agency that are English teachers, speak read & write excellent English, but yet pay us to translate their letters to Russian. Why? Because they are more comfortable with Russian.
They understand the small nuances much easier in thier own language.

[Thor]

What you all are forgetting is that no matter how proficient they are with the English language they are still more comfortable with their native language, no matter what that may be.
I have ladies in my agency that are English teachers, speak read & write excellent English, but yet pay us to translate their letters to Russian. Why? Because they are more comfortable with Russian.
They understand the small nuances much easier in thier own language.

Thank you Richard!!!!

This is how it is. We must never forget that we are in FSU!!! Of course if some one like so put the ad in English, but much better put in Russian. When you put teh ad in Russian you will have a lot more responds in your ad.

[Thor]

Jack,

That's an excellent tip for men wanting to write ads...

As I understand it the ads that Thor and his business partner run don't mention language and it seem to me that langaguge is a critical aspect of the search.

perhaps those dsiring a lady with a higher proficiency in English could place ads in English only and those who are more flexible can do as you said.

Kuna

Kuna,

Thanks for putting me into this business

BUT I am not a business partner with Slava .

If you look only for English speaking girls you can put this into the ads, BUT then you will limited your search a lot. Besides this MOST of the most pretty girls don't speak English!!! WHY, because they don't need to learn English to find a foreign man since they have a lot of admires back home .

[Thor]

I tried free aviso ad in english too but i don't know if was published because all ads need to be approved and i can't see the newspaper

VERY VERY few read free Aviso Orlando!

[Thor]

   
So many Russian women underestimate there own ability to speak English.

Jack,

I totally agree with you here. Many girls underestimate their own ability to speak English. Several times I have been supprised to see that the girls who say they don't speak English more or less can speak enough English to have a conversation going...

[Kuna]

Thank you Richard!!!!

This is how it is. We must never forget that we are in FSU!!! Of course if some one like so put the ad in English, but much better put in Russian. When you put teh ad in Russian you will have a lot more responds in your ad.

I wonder how many responses a man needs to fill his "ideal mate profile"?

A high number of responses might create a bigger pool - but a man being realistic is the best way of improving his chances of success.

Kuna

[Kuna]

Kuna,

Thanks for putting me into this business

BUT I am not a business partner with Slava .

If you look only for English speaking girls you can put this into the ads, BUT then you will limited your search a lot. Besides this MOST of the most pretty girls don't speak English!!! WHY, because they don't need to learn English to find a foreign man since they have a lot of admires back home .

Thor...  You mightn't like to admit it but you're the marketing arm...  Come on.. you know you are... you don't have to admit it for it to be true. 

Actually, there's nothing wrong with you looking after the marketing for the business because living in the West gets you closer to the "market".  I still think some of your spiel provides bad information, but men will have to judge your advice using a little common sense.

Speaking of common sense...  Limiting the responses to girls who have some English doesn't seem like a bad thing to me...   ???

I also can't agree that "the most pretty girls don't speak English because they've got lots of admirers at home"...  It's a big generalisation that's just meant to support your marketing pitch.  It doesn't make much sense to me though???

There are many beautiful women with good educations.  Many women speak English for different reasons but searching abroad will almost certainly give the English speakers an advantage.

Language is a critical consideration in this search, and those that specifically target a girl that speaks no English is selling himself short.

I still think Jack's opinions are closer to the truth...

Kuna

[Thor]

Kuna,

I said that I agree with Jack too!!

What kind of bad information do I post Kuna?

[TigerPaws]

I wonder how many responses a man needs to fill his "ideal mate profile"? One could be enough but in reality as many as the man would like to met.

A high number of responses might create a bigger pool - but a man being realistic is the best way of improving his chances of success. Kuna, some men would prefer to have a very large pool of available ladies to choose from, others could not handle the choices but in general I believe having a large pool of ladies is preferable as it gives the man more choices of the type of lady he is looking for, assuming the man knows what he is looking for.. Kuna

TigerPaws

[ScottinCrimea]

It seems to me that if you want to do this right, you still need someone, like an agency, to screen the responses, get photos of the women, etc and learn more about them to see if they fit the desired profile.  Otherwise, if you do it yourself, you are getting a lot of responses and meeting a lot of women only to learn that they don't fit your desires in terms of looks or personality.  A huge waste of time.  And if they have limited English, you need someone to talk to them and arrange the meetings and act as a translator.  So tell me, how is this different from what an agency does?

[Kuna]

Kuna,

I said that I agree with Jack too!!

What kind of bad information do I post Kuna?

Thor,

Don't get me wrong.. I think you're good hearted and well intentioned...  Some of the things you say though give the wrong impression, especially for newbies who are drinking in as much info as they can get... and from whatever source they can get it from.

Things that I've mentioned before are probably said because you either believe it (based on your experiences) or you want others to believe it (as a part of your marketing):

- No good woman would list herself with an agency (I think we all agree that assertion was wrong);
- All agencies are scammers (but you've corrected that since... and I believe you now say most agencies are scammers);
- Most of the pretty girls don't speak English (While this is obviously statistically correct, it tends to lead newbies to believe that they are better off chasing girls without English language skills because they are "hotties"... It's a little one dimensional, and probably bad advice because we all know the importance of a common language, and;
- The promotion of the area you geographically service as having "the hottest girls" (supported by the disco photos) gives an distorted impression of the environment and experiences a man should expect while in FSU. (i.e. I think most of us would agree a disco is not the best place to go seeking a UW). From what I've seen there are beautiful girls throughout Ukraine (but I've only been to Kiev, Dnepr and Cherkassy).

What i DO like about the information you give is the "on the street pics" you posted a while ago... especially when you were discussing military artifacts.  Maybe unintentionally you showed "the real Kharkov" in the background of many of those pics.

I also like your sense of community and enthusiasm with respect to this search and the men that are on the same journey as you.

Kuna

[Kuna]

So tell me, how is this different from what an agency does?

I think I know the answer but I'll wait to read Thors response...

[Rvrwind]

I wonder how many responses a man needs to fill his "ideal mate profile"?

It takes as many as it takes. Everybody is different. I met 40 women before I narrowed it down to 2 & then I picked the wrong one anyway. Long story but I ended up with the one I should have picked in the first place.

So tell me, how is this different from what an agency does?

Not a whole lot different at all as far as I can see... :noidea:

[Thor]

It seems to me that if you want to do this right, you still need someone, like an agency, to screen the responses, get photos of the women, etc and learn more about them to see if they fit the desired profile.  Otherwise, if you do it yourself, you are getting a lot of responses and meeting a lot of women only to learn that they don't fit your desires in terms of looks or personality.  A huge waste of time.  And if they have limited English, you need someone to talk to them and arrange the meetings and act as a translator.  So tell me, how is this different from what an agency does?

Scott and Kuna,

Yes if you want to do this right you need help. But if you use a agency I fear that the price can be very high, especially if you want to screen all the responses. You know posting ads with photos is not cheap in Ukraine.

The good part about this ads are that you can put very specific what type and age you are looking for. So if you are looking for girls from 30 to 40 you simply don't meet younger or older girls if they respond to your ad.

You can never know if the girl fit your personality until you meet and get to know each other or what?? A agency cant help with that, not a private helper either.

The big difference are that the girls responding to ads seems to be very honest. As I have said before, a lot of the agency girls are goldigers and only looking for someone to pay there fun (maybe Richard will say different, but I am guess that he knows that to many agency's many girls are like this). This goes especial about Kiev and Odessa. As I have said before Kuna, many girls don't want to be listed at agency's because many peoples in Ukraine seems to believe that this girls are more or less prostitutes......Remember that many of the local peoples believe that foreign men comming to FSU to look for girls are sex tourist.........

By ads you reach a lot of girls that are just looking for a good man and not a foreign man. Slava has told me that his experience is that the most beautiful girls never will agree to take photos before a meeting with a foreign man. They have enough men chasing them and are to proud to do this.

But I guess that Richard also knows that this a good way to meet honest girls.

[Thor]

Thor,

Don't get me wrong.. I think you're good hearted and well intentioned...  Some of the things you say though give the wrong impression, especially for newbies who are drinking in as much info as they can get... and from whatever source they can get it from.

Things that I've mentioned before are probably said because you either believe it (based on your experiences) or you want others to believe it (as a part of your marketing):

- No good woman would list herself with an agency (I think we all agree that assertion was wrong); I have never said that no good woman list herself at agencys. But the problem are that few men wants to meet the good ones. They want to meet the most beautiful ones and this girls are VERY often goldigers and very spoiled.

- All agencies are scammers (but you've corrected that since... and I believe you now say most agencies are scammers); Correckt. I said ones that all agencys where scammers, and that is wrong of course. But now I say that most agencys are scammers in one or other way.
- Most of the pretty girls don't speak English (While this is obviously statistically correct, it tends to lead newbies to believe that they are better off chasing girls without English language skills because they are "hotties"... It's a little one dimensional, and probably bad advice because we all know the importance of a common language, and;. That is thrue Kuna. BUT most of the pretty ones dont speake english. Most men goes to FSU to meet pretty girls, ven the guys who are to to old or dont have the look at all.
- The promotion of the area you geographically service as having "the hottest girls" (supported by the disco photos) gives an distorted impression of the environment and experiences a man should expect while in FSU. (i.e. I think most of us would agree a disco is not the best place to go seeking a UW). From what I've seen there are beautiful girls throughout Ukraine (but I've only been to Kiev, Dnepr and Cherkassy). Disco is not at all the place to find a honest girl, but it is very funny go to dicos in FSU. I have seen a lot of hot girls in Kiev and Odessa, and of course in Kharkov. They are everywhere in Ukraine. You have been to Dnieper and I know that Dnieper is a city with many pretty girls to. But I truly belive that the if you want to find a pretty girl, then go to the eatern parts of Ukraine. here girls are not so spoiled and more down to earth. Even Jack Bragg says the same.

What i DO like about the information you give is the "on the street pics" you posted a while ago... especially when you were discussing military artifacts.  Maybe unintentionally you showed "the real Kharkov" in the background of many of those pics.

I also like your sense of community and enthusiasm with respect to this search and the men that are on the same journey as you.

Kuna

Kuna,

I respeckt you too and I enjoy reading your post!!!!! You have found a good girl in dnieper and I am happy for you. As me so have you seen the beauty and the cool and nice charackter of the Ukrainian girls, the best girls in the world!!!!!!!!!

[TigerPaws]

Kuna, Thor

I am not trying to say anything bad about your choice in ladies so please do not take what I am about to say as anything bad about your ladies. I did not like any of the ladies I met in Ukraine, I did not like their independent attitude or in general their cultural attitude to family and marriage.

After a great deal of research, time in country and meeting with many ladies I settled on Russian exclusively in my search for the lady of my dreams and I was well rewarded for my efforts.

Hopefully we all with find what we are looking for in a lady no matter where she comes from.

TigerPaws 

[I/O]

Yes if you want to do this right you need help.

Thor: You intention may or may not be pure in this thread, personally I don't care, but you ARE giving a lot of misleading advice.  Need help? Bullsh---t.  Advice? Yes for sure but there is plenty who have done it without either.  I'm an advocate of getting the freshmen "Clued In" but it is rare that someone in the business or connected with the business tells the whole story.

You state up thread the most of the most beautiful girls don't speak English. Again misleading.  The truth is that MOST of the girls in the FSU don't speak English to any extent.  Obviously I can't speak for your area of East Ukraine because I haven't been there in years, but I can speak for quite a few other parts of Ukraine, a lot of Russia, Latvia, Moldova, even as far west as Romania and what you say doesn't hold true.  The high end of the market usually is not only beautiful, but educated also and very often has some English. 

Just take a quick look at a couple of the regular female posters on here.  Most guys would be "Licking their chops" to catch one like either of those two.  Look at KenC's Lena, Olga who doesn't seem to be around much anymore, JB's Etna and the list can go on and on..........All high class ladies and English speakers.

I am happy enough to see you use this board to promote the ideas and service of those you are connected with, but please for the sake of the freshmen, do it openly and transparently.  Right now you are not doing that.

I/O   

[TigerPaws]

I/O,

The language issue is always contentious around this forum, I am one who feels that language is not as big of a deal as some would have others believe. I met 32 ladies and only one spoke what I would call acceptable English, the rest knew a few words at most and some none at all. Yet in every meeting I was able to communicate well enough to get a feeling as to if the lady was interested in me and if I was interested in her.

My wife knew almost no English when we first met in the Bahamas, yet for 10 days we managed to communicate very well, when she returned to Russia she began studying English and when I met her again six weeks later I could hear the difference.

It all depends on the couple as to if language is an issue or not. Sure it helps if a lady knows English fairly well but in my humble opinion the language issue begins and ends with the man and his willingness to have the patience to work with his lady in order to understand each other.

I believe if a man and the lady have the patience to work together through the language issues then they have the opportunity to build a far stronger relationship and a very special bond which others will never understand.

TigerPaws 

[I/O]

T/P My post above was not angling at the language issue in and of itself. It was angling at Thors misleading advice.

Regardless, I have done exactly the same as you have in so far as ended with a lady who in the first instance knew almost no English.  It was blind ignorant stupidity that allowed me to start that process and I realised that very quickly.  Sure it has been great and I wouldn't change it for the world, but my advice to those starting out is "Don't do it" because too many times they will fail mid course.

If one is prepared to spend a large amount of time in the getting to know stage with one hand on the "Auto Eject Button" all the way, then fine, but what you almost invariably see is those who go that way, get started and consider they have invested so much time etc into the relationship that they are not prepared to "Pull the Pin" in the face of reality.  IMO much of that is driven from not being able to afford this process in the first instance, but that's another discussion.

There is a handful of us who will get through the meeting a lady without English and making a success of it, but it is just that, a handful. In other words exceptions.  Exceptions win in Vegas too, but the odds are the "Game keepers" in Vegas win more often because the odds are very much stacked in their favour.

The first step in this process should always be "Risk Mittigation" and then with whatever risks remain, it becomes "Risk Management".  Any competent risk manager will tell you communication is the first if not the main key.  Without language that's almost impossible for many. 

Further, for the freshman, their is so many choices among women who DO speak some English and a very high class of woman at that, it would seem illogical to promote the pursuit otherwise. I could introduce some of these freshman to probably 10 women I can think of off the top of my head from several different FSU countries including Russia who are classy ladies, genuinely seeking a partner, very attractive and have English.  Why bother making it any harder than it needs to be?

Allow me to put another spin for those who argue a guy is missing something by excluding the ladies without Englsih because he narrows his search field.  At the height of the new exporters to South East Asia from my country getting rolling, I attended a seminar to get a litle further insight.  The keynote speaker was a pretty smart rooster from Japan.

He looked at the crowd and asked who would like to export to Japan? The hand raising was 100%.  His next few moments were key.  He commented, you are a country of 17 million people (At That time) and this is your market.  You will get buried trying to take on the whole Japaneese market.  Why do you not concentrate on (IIRC) Osaka and surrounds.  Population of 18 million which effectively doubles your market and is only a small slice of Japan. If any of you guys in this room would not be satisfied with doubling your market please raise your hand, or if anyone in this room has the capacity to handle more than doubling your output in the next two years also raise your hand.

There was exactly 0% hands raised and the point was well made.  IMO far too many guys fall for the trap of hunting all over the FSU and get lost in the crowd of choices, become confused and ultimately take a "Stab in the dark".

If at all possible, stick with those who have English to at least some extent IMO.  I think most guys who want to be "Exceptional" would much prefer to be a "Joe Average" success than an "Exceptional" failure. 

I/O   

[TigerPaws]

In broad general terms I agree I/O and one big problem many if not all of the men starting this process is the lack of focus. Combined Russia and Ukraine make up one hell of a lot of area to cover, far too much for anyone let alone someone new to this endeavor.

I guess it all depends on the man, if he has the time, patience, energy and resources to understand and accept what it will take to meet, get to know, court, marry and live with a lady who speaks little to no English then I say go for it. The rewards are unimaginable!

TigerPaws