Why I like Ukrainian girls....

[ScottinCrimea]

If you have ever watched a Russian man dance you will understand why the women prefer to dance alone. 

[Jazzyclassy]

If you have ever watched a Russian man dance you will understand why the women prefer to dance alone. 

why , many russian guys dance very well not all of course but some  are dancing absolutely nice

[FSUrookie]

Regarding the original topic of this forum thread......
I must say, nothing beats a sincere & genuine Ukrainian woman!
After 2+ years of searching Ukraine & Russia (in the wrong places),
I have been blessed to have finally met an absolutely wonderful woman from Ukraine! She is from the beautiful area of Uzhgorod in western Ukraine (in the Carpathian Mts.), south of Lviv, near the border of Slovakia, Romania, Moldova & Poland. We are meeting for 2 weeks in December - January, and I will certainly post a trip report afterwards......

[Mir]

I have been blessed to have finally met an absolutely wonderful woman from Ukraine! She is from the beautiful area of Uzhgorod in western Ukraine (in the Carpathian Mts.)

You have met her or are meeting her for the first time in December?

[Serebro]

You have met her or are meeting her for the first time in December?

Mir, I am afraid he has fallen in love with letters and photos again....

[Turboguy]

My interpretation is that he has met her but they are spending more time together at the end of the year.

We shouldn't really knock those who fall in love with photos as long as the follow the rule of not sending money before they meet.   After all photo's don't eat expensive dinners, don't need expensive cosmetics, don't have faults and some people will be far happier in the "in love with photo's" stage than they ever will be when they are married to a real person.

[Serebro]

My interpretation is that he has met her but they are spending more time together at the end of the year.

In summer he was going to marry a 19 yo scammer, in October he is in love with a 26 or 27 yo girl with a  child....wow, that is fast...

[catzenmouse]

In summer he was going to marry a 19 yo scammer, in October he is in love with a 26 or 27 yo girl with a  child....wow, that is fast...

Isn't there a description for doing the same thing over and over but expecting different results...

Ukrainian, Belorussian, Russian, Moldavian... In the end the best place to find the perfect woman is actually where you find her. All this spouting off about "The best girls are from ?" is totally a personal perception. There are good and bad, beautiful and ugly, rich and poor, smart and stupid, and healthy and sick in each and every country.

FWIW,
 Ken

P.S. TG, in his other thread he says he is going to meet her in December.

[FSUrookie]

Wow, amazing how words get put in my mouth! It's funny how some can so easily misquote others here! But overall, this RWD forum has been very informative! And thanks again to all that I spoke with off-board.
I never said I was in love, (please show me where I said this) but I do see an obvious difference in my newest FSU woman's letters and phone calls than I had with Maria or other scammers, and I am definitley "interested" in her. Truly an obvious difference. As for our meeting, I guess we shall see how the chemistry part goes in December.
By the way... All my posts are meant to be constructive, and positive when possible. And you are right catzenmouse, there are good and bad women everywhere. Just adding my 2 cents to a colorful thread!
Have a great day to all!

[catzenmouse]

I have been blessed to have finally met an absolutely wonderful woman from Ukraine!

Rookie,

 Its quotes like this that get many of us thinking that you're going overboard again. No one here wants to see another problem like before. We just want you to keep things real and in the proper perspective.

Ken

[FSUrookie]

Thanks for the feedback catzenmouse! I truly appreciate it. Don't worry my emotions and wallet are under control. I just wanted to share some enthusiam on a positive note. We shall see how things go in December... Have a great day!

[Mir]

Looks like he has yet to meet her

Well best of luck for December FSU-R

[ScottinCrimea]

FSURookie,
     I appreciate your enthusiasm and understand your excitement at having begun communications with a woman who obviously has an entirely different presentation in her letters.  I agree somewhat with the others in that your post went a little overboard in your glowing description of her.  After all, given that you broke up with your fiancee around the first of September and given a little lag time, the MOST time that you could have been in communication with this woman is a month, definitely not enough time to know her other than some initial impressions, and has been stated so many times here, you can never really know a woman until you meet her.  So you can say that so far you see a huge difference in her over the others and that so far she appears to be a wonderful woman.  Many here have been absolutely convinced that they have found the woman of their dreams only to have everything go south when they meet.  Still, I hope that everything continues to go well and come December you find a definite connection.  I hope, though, having learned from your last experience, that you will take sufficient time to really know the woman, meaning more than one face to face meeting.  The worst thing that you can do is be in a hurry.  That has already cost you a couple of years of looking.

One thing you wrote that REALLY concerned me was that despite your admitting that a relationship with anyone under 24 years of age was a "HUGE risk", and despite your previous experience with a girl this age, you still chose to write to three of them that were in this age group.  What were you thinking?  Pretty pictures?

I was noting that your current lady is 27 versus the last one wh owas 19, so that's a definite inprovement, but there's still a 15 year age gap.  My wife and I have the same age gap, so I know that it can work but I also know from personal experience that it does increase the difficulties (please, no age gap debates here!)

You implied in your post in another thread that your lady is buying her own English texts to study.  Does this mean her level of English is poor?  Are you communicationg through an interpretor?

Again it sounds like you have a great start and I wish you all the best, just urging caution.

[FSUrookie]

Thanks Scott for the feedback! You have many good posts on RWD.
The point that I was really trying to make in the 2 forum threads WAS NOT '"I'M IN LOVE AHHHHHHH"  - No, What I was really trying to convey was that there are Sincere / Genuine women in Ukraine, and despite the setbacks that I have experienced I want newbies to know that life does go on. Of course, I appreciate all feedback, but no matter what happens in December, at worst I get a nice vacation in Ukraine, and I do have a plan "B" setup (and this time I hold on to my wallet!). As for what this lady said to me to get my attention, it really is too early for a "Play by Play" - "Letter by Letter" postings, and actually I'd rather allow this friendship develop more. There is no reason for me to post ordinary sincere letters with no flags.
I have learned my lesson, and the one thing a few on here I guess fail to understand about me is this; YES, the girl that I have been corresponding to and speaking on the phone with for 6 weeks does show great potential, BUT, even if our meeting is a disaster in December, I will be fine. My new FSU woman's letters have simply raised the bar for me and what I NOW expect from an FSU or any woman.
One other point to add, some people seem to be shy to discuss on here; she is a Christian & church girl, and it is evident in her letters, and I respect that. Of course it still does not detract from the fact that we must see how our friendship develops in person.
Thanks to all for the comments..... Have a great day!

Scott; her English is basic. She studies English every day, and we use computer translation for email, and we use a human translator for phone calls.
Thanks Mir and Scott for the good luck!

[Serebro]

One other point to add, some people seem to be shy to discuss on here; she is a Christian & church girl, and it is evident in her letters, and I respect that.

Is she a widow?!
I am trying to imagine a church girl with a child looking for a foreign man.
I know a few very religious women but they have strong families and divorce is something unappropriate for them as they support their husbands no matter what happens.

[Misha]

Is she a widow?!
I am trying to imagine a church girl with a child looking for a foreign man.
I know a few very religious women but they have strong families and divorce is something unappropriate for them as they support their husbands no matter what happens.

Depends what he means by "Christian." There are a lot more practising Protestants in Russia in any given week that there are practising Russian Orthodox believers. That is to say, the Protestants in Russia actually go to church on a regular basis.

[Serebro]

Depends what he means by "Christian." There are a lot more practising Protestants in Russia

Really?!!!
I have never met any where I live.Mainly moslems and orthodoxians.

[Misha]

Really?!!!
I have never met any where I live.Mainly moslems and orthodoxians.

Here is a nice article in Russian: http://babr.ru/?pt=news&event=v1&IDE=40017. For the information in English: http://windowoneurasia.blogspot.com/2007/09/window-on-eurasia-could-russia-become.html. I met many Protestants in Russia (mainly Baptists) and they had a number of discrete churches where they would congregate.

[ScottinCrimea]

There are plenty of other options, one being that she had her child out of wedlock before she became religious.  It's not appropriate to speculate. That is all really no one's business other than her own and FSURookie's at such a time as she feels it proper to discuss it with him.

[BC]

There are plenty of other options, one being that she had her child out of wedlock before she became religious.  It's not appropriate to speculate. That is all really no one's business other than her own and FSURookie's at such a time as she feels it proper to discuss it with him.

As in any relationship there is a past to be 'reckoned with'.  IMHE, whatever the 'past' may be, there are some that can and often do make an issue out of it.. they usually come from the western hemisphere.

[BillyB]

As in any relationship there is a past to be 'reckoned with'.  IMHE, whatever the 'past' may be, there are some that can and often do make an issue out of it.. they usually come from the western hemisphere.

True, but on the bright side, many men in the Western Hemisphere are willing to give women with children, even out of wedlock, a second chance compared to most men in the FSU who would consider those women with children as not worth marrying.

I've got great respect for a man who is able to love another man's child as if it's his own.

[Serebro]

There are plenty of other options, one being that she had her child out of wedlock before she became religious.  It's not appropriate to speculate. That is all really no one's business other than her own and FSURookie's at such a time as she feels it proper to discuss it with him.

why to post it then

[Misha]

why to post it then

I agree. FSURookie has hardly provoked speculation at each and every stage. If he did not want speculation, why post the information?

[ScottinCrimea]

He simply posted two descriptors of her, one that she was a practicing Christian and the other that she had a child, both very neutral comments.  It only started to become an issue when Serebro questioned whether she was a widow because she knew very few religious women and in her opinion it was considered inappropriate for a "religious" woman to divorce.  I sure hope we're not jumping into another judgemental religious thread here because it just doesn't belong.

[Serebro]

He simply posted two descriptors of her, one that she was a practicing Christian and the other that she had a child, both very neutral comments.  It only started to become an issue when Serebro questioned whether she was a widow because she knew very few religious women and in her opinion it was considered inappropriate for a "religious" woman to divorce. 

In fact I don't know any religion that would let it all go.
If she was married in the Church it will be nearly impossible for her to get divorce unless she writes a special letter to the Head of the Church and her letter will be approved, but the reason must be really serious, if she is going to have another marriage without getting a divorce from the church it will be a HUGE sin.
That's why I asked.
To me the comments aren't so neutral at all