Six and a half years and still going strong!

[LEGAL]

From time immemorial people glorify a beauty of woman and many real women were and are the models of great artists, sculptors, poets, photographers  and writers and it is wonderful  

Olga.

[I/O]

Since she does not post a lot, most probably do not recall that pitbull *is* a RW.

Just thought you might want to know.

- Dan

Yeah I did know that and it all kind of struck me as somewhat amusing.

KenC, commenting in a negative way about the physical appearance of anyone on these forums, IMHO is out of line, BUT there is some people who do rather want to shove things in peoples faces and as such there will always be some who will comment, thats just the way it is.

Jazz, your comments were waaaaaaaaaaaaay out of line and when compared to your excellent effort in the "Just for fun" thread, certainly don't show up very well.  There is times when opinions are best left unstated.

JohnK: I for one am always interested to read of success stories.  ALL forms of success.  Seems to me that you and yours share that in several different ways.  All the best for the future.  I sincerely enjoyed seeing another who has been long married to an FSU lady join in here. The encumbrance is that the wannabees such as myself are out to pick your brains for everything we can learn from you.

BTW, I think it is a very healthy thing to be proud of your life partner.

Olga:  That last photo of Moaning Lisa is too funny.

I/O

[Jet]

My wife's career choice is simply that, her choice.  Whether she succeeds or not is irrelevant.  What is relevant is that I support her and believe in her.  What is relevant is that she makes an honest effort to succeed.  What is relevant is that she is doing what she wants to do, and is happiest when she out there in front of the camera.  For that, I will support her, no matter what she wants to do.  That is what is relevant.

THIS is a great husband that's got his head screwed on straight. Any newbies out there that wonder about how to make one of these marriages succeed - there's the magic bullet right there in quotes.
 

[Chelchov]

JohnK, 

  congratulations for your long happy marriage.  6.5 years of marriage and going...  I think that should set a good example for men wanting good marriage with FSU girls.  You seem to be set a good example of what a good husband should strive to become.  A supportive man that a wife is very proud to be with.  Both can be very supportive of each other and hope others to succeed and do very well in life.     

  I want to congrat you for having a very beautiful wife that you are very proud of.  It's wonderful to be able to support and help each other.  It's satisfying and fulfilling to see your wonderful spouse to succeed in life and realizations of her dreams.  Best of luck to your wife in her modeling career.

 Don't be apologetic about stirring up the controversy in this thread.  It's just people's opinion and their problem, not yours. 

I think you are right, Jazzy  Smiley Standard of woman's beauty is one's own taste of  men. Who usually says that a woman is not beautiful and ugly?  Who creates an inferiority complex in woman's mind?

It all starts way deep down in woman's mind and soul.  It's her choice, not anyone's choice.  I think it's the result of having a competitive mindset where they have to compete and compare themselves to others.  It starts with looking outside out there instead of starting with inner soul and knowing what cards she is playing with.   
 

[Gator]

This is for you, Jazzy.  Yes, I have have been overserved again by my club's bartender!  I thibnk the count is a few beers while playing golf, a Kettle One double and a bottle of greg norman's entries to wine.   With that caveat, I will start speaking feely.

I feel that some of us may be missing something positive about Jazzy's position even though she justifiablty deserves some criticism.  

John, please forgive me.  Please recall the kind and sincere words I said about you and marina earlier.  I do not know your wife.  She may be be a very intelligent woman.  However, based on what I know today, and assuming certain stereotypes which I would never do in real life,  I would choose Jazzy over your Marina for a week long holiday.  Of course I would never have that choice.  However, please bear with me.  

A week is a long time.  Jazzy is interesting, not afraid to express her opinion, has some intellectual depth, and is unpredictable.  Elements of my kind of woman.


Forgive me Jazzy but I will assume you do not have a body equal to Marina's (few women do), yet I feel you and I could talk about anything and have fun doing nothing.   It is not easy to find such a woman, in fact it is easier to find a woman with high pendulant breasts.  

If I would choose Jazzy over a model stereotype for a week, guess who I would want for a lifetime.  Again John, I am assuming a model stereotype vs. someone who bares her soul with interesting choice of words.  And many of you you younger men will choose breasts.  Is this what you really need for happiness?  So what kind of woman do you men wish wish to spend the rest of your life with?

If I had to choose one woman for an hour.....sorry Jazzy.

Jazzy, I am much, much too old for you - my younger son is older than you.  So I am not trying to tease your interest in me.  besides you and I have someone special, very special.

Although you have justifiably received abuse here for speaking your mind, you are willing at least to speak your mind in a foreign language, and that fact makes a huge difference.  So please do not be as dispirited as your last post suggests.  You are correct about yourself as you expressed.   Hope you can understand my free thoughts.  

Jazzy, you are very young and learning, and I hope you learned something today.  Your poem elsewhere shows intellect and a spirit to please others. And I hope men comparing the model type with the intellectual type will understand the difference.  And most men are not capable of winning the heart of the intellectual type.  And they should not dismiis you for that fact, nor should you Jazzy say some of the things you said.

And I find it interesting that Olga, Elen, pitbull as wella s Jazzy implied/stated that they would not do what marina did?

Did I make trouble for myself with this stream of consciousness?  I am torn between two camps.  Tomorrow I will be sober and marina will still ahve magificent breasts and women such as Jazzy will still capture my fanciful whimsy.   Soquaney noche.

[Jazzyclassy]

Dear Gator

you are very sweet and that was so kind of you to post  the thing which would please both sides of this  topic:)

  Forgive me Jazzy but I will assume you do not have a body equal to Marina's (few women do),   

hahaha it is a provocation for me to post the pic of my body here haha to show that am absolutely with nice body:P I know my Man found me he loves me he appreciates and values me and I do not need the attention or friendship of the guys who will never ever understand me and for whom appearance is everything like for some members here.....

Models , I never told it is  bad, it is just something very very easy to do, brains are not working , so what you are having plastic boobs and plastic ass, so what??? they are plastic and with ages these models are suffering from health problems cos of these beauty implants, vivid example Anna Nicole Smith they told  that partially she died cos of her implants , that there was some infection or something like that

so why those poor girls need this? I can only pity them, call it jealousy or whatever you like, plus to be a model it is always humiliation, cos those girls are not taken  as girls they are as material for showing clothing , they are mannequins or  dummies according to the dictionary

I know this models industry was probably invented by man , who wanted to have a pretty barbie doll beside him, who would  obey any wish he desires, but sometimes those dolls have their opinions and Not Sleeping souls! then those guys are experiencing a great discomfort with such models

but anyway

I never thought myself to be ugly and to be somebody not feminine

I admit I am not the type of these glamorous girls , but my charm is absolutely vivid am normal woman real one , without any kinda of premises

and my appearance is not disgusting to observe am sorry

God I never thought that I would tell such things, make excuses about myself, my appearance  before some very rude person here,  I wonder if he allows himself to talk like that with his young wife......


And I have no choice but show that me and my boy are absolutely pretty looking couple, we do not need to be models to be beautiful

[DKMM]

What I'm wondering here is, if this guy has a lot going for him and his model wife, why would they choose to live in Cedar Rapids IA?

Exciting nightlife?  Nope.  Bustling economy?  Nope.  Low crime rate? Nope.  Lack of a meth problem?  Nope.   Proximity to such metropolises such as Waterloo and Iowa City?  Nope nope and nope!

My silly point here is that I can bag on where one lives all day but I would never bag on a guy's wife.  Good for you John K, to each their own and I'm happy you have a successful marriage.  We could all dream to be this happy... so when are the babies coming along?  

JC, you are a good looking girl so I think you aren't jealous but it might be a good idea to really take what Gator says to heart.  He's a wise man.  *hic*

[Jazzyclassy]

John K

I want to say sorry for maybe reacting not healthy on your that brag about your wife and things

cos I always brag about my boy , what he has done and bla bla it is natual , so probably was really a little silly

but what I meant it was not hurting you and your  wife's feelings

I just probably did not understand your interpretation, cos the topic was Six years together and still going strong

but I did not see what makes you going strong that Model stuff???

of course not ,

so I was confused by your link and active promotion of the naked pic of your wife, so  it sounded really strange to me ,

anyway I did not mean to bring any kinda negative emotions or anything, I absolutely agree with Gator and others, except KenC

Enjoy your life ,  be happy , let everything be prosperous

[KenC]

Gator,
It sounds as though you had a very good day and because of it you find yourself in a very melancholy mood.  I see a basic flaws in your comparison here between Jazzy and Marina however.  You are comparing someone you have come to know over time to a one dimensional image that your mind has created of a "model type."  Do you think that is a fair comparison?  I am actually quite surprised that this came from you of all people.  Your current gf is a former model, right?  Would you characterize her only by her perfect breasts?  Of course you wouldn't as you have come to know her for her other qualities.  Why then should you reduce the image of Marina to just her perfect breasts?  Isn't that an over simplification and completely unfair to her?  How do you know she is not an intellectual with a great personality?  Wouldn't any woman that you know on many different levels fail to compare to a photograph (and some faulty assumptions) of another?
KenC

[John K]

I happen to like Cedar Rapids, thank you very much!  ;-)

Right now, I'm the main breadwinner in the family.  Since my job is in Cedar Rapids, that's where we live.  Once Marina gets her career rolling in high gear, we'll probably move to a large metropolitan city, so she can support me in the lifestyle to which I'd like to be acquainted with.  ;-)  Still we are within 4-5 hours drive time of Chicago, St. Louis and the Twin Cities.  Kind of a good location to work from for now.

Jazz, I would like to explain something to you.  Modeling requires knowledge and skill, not just a pretty face and a toned body.  A model who does not learn how to move and pose correctly will never get her photographer a good set of pictures, and thus will be less likely to find work.  Models that don't have common sense and good business ethics do not succeed.  Modeling requires a total body awareness that few people outside the industry will ever understand.  There is a lot in this business that you so blithely disregard, and it irritates me a bit.

If one were to extrapolate your opinions to other professions in the same way, we'd see something like this: anyone could be a professional race car driver - all you have to do is drive fast, anyone can be a soldier - you just have to aim a gun and shoot at someone, anyone can be a doctor - just hand out pills.  The reality is that it isn't that simple.  Each profession requires a specific skillset that must be learned and perfected, if you want to be good at it.

Another faulty extrapolation is that any foreign girl who would marry an american must horribly desperate, and the guy must be a loser.  Such false generalities are only designed to attack on an emotional level.  When faced with fact, however, such arguments shine back on the attacker and expose the fraud for what it is.  Emotional attacks are for those who cannot win by fact.  Perhaps that is why politicians like them so much...

As always, these thoughts are strictly my own.  Your own mileage may vary...  (Old timers will get that one.)  ;-)

[Jazzyclassy]

        If one were to extrapolate your opinions to other professions in the same way, we'd see something like this: anyone could be a professional race car driver - all you have to do is drive fast, anyone can be a soldier - you just have to aim a gun and shoot at someone, anyone can be a doctor - just hand out pills.  The reality is that it isn't that simple.  Each profession requires a specific skillset that must be learned and perfected, if you want to be good at it.

Another faulty extrapolation is that any foreign girl who would marry an american must horribly desperate, and the guy must be a loser.  Such false generalities are only designed to attack on an emotional level.  When faced with fact, however, such arguments shine back on the attacker and expose the fraud for what it is.  Emotional attacks are for those who cannot win by fact.  Perhaps that is why politicians like them so much...
         

Oh please do not compare doctor profession to model one

then again to be a model you do not need special skills that is my opinion! solid
take a look at all the pic in your fav Maxim they are all fixed in the photoshop editor , cut extra fat and some natural body pieces, making the real woman look like a mummy

you think it is special cos your wife is model, I do not have any model hubby so I am not admiring them in the way you do , so admire her alone please, do not make your opinion the other people's one

The other thing what you told about expropriations about desperate girl and looser guy, oh dear you mentioned that yourself, none ever told you anything like that
that means that is a burning problem for you and and you are thinking about this all the time.....

Be ready to accept other opinions about the things, as for example I accept some insults here and other bad words towards me, just for  expressing my opinion, and that I have the other point of view about models, god we are all different ,we are supposed to think differently and not according to your american stereotype, your american dreams, to become a star doing nothing......

and now you are trying to say that american people have no prejudice??? you do have them this topic is a great example, if she is a model plus not american  she must be a goddess or something, would she be a goddess living here???

think about it

and how can you speak of irritation , you are living in the big world , not in your model world, there are much more bigger problems in the world than this naked pics and low chakra interests.....

[Jazzyclassy]

And one more thing JohnK

you probably missed the name of the topic


it should be like that

"This is my wife , she is a model , enjoy looking at her pics"

nothing to do with going strong and marriage really!

[wiz]

So what kind of woman do you men wish wish to spend the rest of your life with?

I expect today you feel happy too and you could make a choice which woman you would prefer for the rest of your life?

I just happen to come across this 40 years old FREE and available Russian woman, living in London, which you may consider if the space next to you becomes available.

What do you think?

Jazzy is just a nice young flower, in love, good looking and with intellectual capacity. She is also not afraid to express her views. I don't think is necessary some members to slam her down by attacking her so viciously. Everybody has his/her opinion and of course the right to express that opinion.

[John K]

First Jazz, you are the one who first took this thread way off target.  I started with a simple post and you blew it out of proportion.

Second, I wasn't comparing modeling to medicine.  I was extrapolating your argument to other professions to show what a fallacy general statements are.  They are designed to excite the emotions, because they can't stand up to close scrutiny and fact.  You misread that to your own benefit.

I made a further example by stating a common general statement that gets thrown into these forums from time to time by trolls, that foreign women are desperate and the men who marry them are losers.  Any person who has been on any of these forums long enough has seen this fallacious "argument" many times over.  It is thrown out simply to get under someone's skin.  Of course, you took the opportunity to get it wrong yet again.

Then, even after I explained how emotional arguments are factually bankrupt, you jump right back in and start again by making statements designed to agitate me.

My problem is not with your feelings or your perceptions in life.  My issue is that you constantly misinterpret facts, or ignore them if they don't suit you.  When you cannot back up your position with facts or logic, you resort to insults, innuendo, and "feelings".  Such tactics are disingenuous and dishonest.  You wouldn't last five minutes on a high school debate team playing that game.

Finally, all these morally bankrupt tactics go a long way towards showing one's "beauty inside", don't you think?  I personally believe a person's inner beauty comes from honesty, fidelity, and love for one's fellow man.  I cannot speak of your fidelity, but your own words go far to show how you handle the other two concepts.

Before you launch into yet another tirade of slurs, innuendo, and misrepresented facts, why don't you take the time to cool off and think about it?  Otherwise, you'll end up digging yourself into yet a deeper hole.

[DKMM]

Well John, I'm glad you could tell i was just ribbing you on Cedar Rapids. 

But honestly, I don't consider your wife to look much like a model.  Since you put her portfolio up here, I think its fair to judge on its own merits.  I doubt her career will amount to a hill of beans.  Just my opinion and I don't mean to slander.  Every other young 20's girl in San Diego looks like her or better.  She is nice looking though so I'm sure you are happy.

[Jazzyclassy]

First Jazz, you are the one who first took this thread way off target.  I started with a simple post and you blew it out of proportion.

Second, I wasn't comparing modeling to medicine.  I was extrapolating your argument to other professions to show what a fallacy general statements are.  They are designed to excite the emotions, because they can't stand up to close scrutiny and fact.  You misread that to your own benefit.

I made a further example by stating a common general statement that gets thrown into these forums from time to time by trolls, that foreign women are desperate and the men who marry them are losers.  Any person who has been on any of these forums long enough has seen this fallacious "argument" many times over.  It is thrown out simply to get under someone's skin.  Of course, you took the opportunity to get it wrong yet again.

Then, even after I explained how emotional arguments are factually bankrupt, you jump right back in and start again by making statements designed to agitate me.

My problem is not with your feelings or your perceptions in life.  My issue is that you constantly misinterpret facts, or ignore them if they don't suit you.  When you cannot back up your position with facts or logic, you resort to insults, innuendo, and "feelings".  Such tactics are disingenuous and dishonest.  You wouldn't last five minutes on a high school debate team playing that game.

Finally, all these morally bankrupt tactics go a long way towards showing one's "beauty inside", don't you think?  I personally believe a person's inner beauty comes from honesty, fidelity, and love for one's fellow man.  I cannot speak of your fidelity, but your own words go far to show how you handle the other two concepts.

Before you launch into yet another tirade of slurs, innuendo, and misrepresented facts, why don't you take the time to cool off and think about it?  Otherwise, you'll end up digging yourself into yet a deeper hole.

Here you wrote about yourself actually and I never insult anyone here unlike you and other people......

[I/O]

Jazz: You've made your point.  Let it go.

I/O

[wiz]

I started with a simple post and you blew it out of proportion.

Yesterday

My original post was intended to be a positive statement, showing that there is yet another successful marriage out there.  True, I did plug my wife's career, but again, it was meant as a positive statement.  I am proud of what my wife has accomplished in the limited time she has done this.

John

Your intentions where very clear from your first post, to gather support and help for your wife's career, so you posted those links.

Your original title on the thread was missleading, was only a cover  and was not to celebrate your 6 1/2 years of happy marriage, otherwise you would have not included those links. Anybody else would have only posted a photo of the couple, like you did later, and not the modeling ones.

How happy and successful is your marriage you know it but we don't!

[pitbull]

Well John, I'm glad you could tell i was just ribbing you on Cedar Rapids. 

But honestly, I don't consider your wife to look much like a model.  Since you put her portfolio up here, I think its fair to judge on its own merits.  I doubt her career will amount to a hill of beans.  Just my opinion and I don't mean to slander.  Every other young 20's girl in San Diego looks like her or better.  She is nice looking though so I'm sure you are happy.

DKMM,
That's what I was trying to say in my post. Marina is a nice girl, but what in the world made you, John, think she will ever have a really successful modeling career? I'm not in the modeling buiness, but closely involved into professional art world-and know a lot about beauty standards (and I mean basic proportions here)-those standards are the same all over the world, modeling included.

Also, one more question. If modeling is what Marina has always wanted to do, why did she wait 6 years after her arrival in the US to start it? She would at least have slightly higher chanses at 20.
(I would understand if you had a kid a two right away).

[GregfromGa]

John K,you have a beautiful wife and a great success story. Dont pay attention to what some of these assdarts say about your wife. You're doing the right thing in your life and you've forgot more than most of these people know about being successful at this endeavor.

For the life of me I cannot understand why some people continue to post here and on RWG. I mean they bring nothing to the table except their own useless opinions. I mean why in the hell would anyone here tell this guy his wife cannot make it as a model? John K like I said pay no attention to the douchebaggery here and good luck.

[GregfromGa]

John

Your intentions where very clear from your first post, to gather support and help for your wife's career, so you posted those links.

Your original title on the thread was missleading, was only a cover  and was not to celebrate your 6 1/2 years of happy marriage, otherwise you would have not included those links. Anybody else would have only posted a photo of the couple, like you did later, and not the modeling ones.

How happy and successful is your marriage you know it but we don't!

  And what exactly is wrong with John K wanting to gather a few votes?   The answer is nothing. Nothing wrong with what he did at all. I say anyone married to a RW/UW for 6 and a half years needs to win some kind of medal. I'm on the way to getting mine. By the way I'll be more than happy to vote for your wife. She's a beautiful lady and much like myself you married way out of your league as well.LOL

[timothe]

Please post more often, John.  Many of the success stories are successes because they get busy with life immediately after marriage..so you don't always hear about them on forums like this. 

I'm encouraged that you allowed your lady to chase her dream and that has resulted in a happy marriage!!  I was thinking the same thing about my ladyfriend and I have been recently telling her that she can do whatever she wants for a career when she gets here if she is willing to work hard for it.  (she has a degree in psychology/sociology)  I don't think my ladyfriend has quite understood this concept fully, but she's starting to come up with some ideas about her future.

Thanks for sharing and good luck to Marina in the contest.

[Kuna]

I won't comment on John, his wife, the pics or the intent of the original post but I will point out that there are many different modelling opportunities out there.

Not all models are 16 years old and not all models are the women some of you blokes dream about marrying.

If modelling makes Johns wife happy and he's comfortable with the photos out there then good on them.

John...  what I'd REALLY like to hear about is your successful marriage and your reflections on your journey.  

Kuna

[wiz]

  And what exactly is wrong with John K wanting to gather a few votes?   The answer is nothing. Nothing wrong with what he did at all. I say anyone married to a RW/UW for 6 and a half years needs to win some kind of medal. I'm on the way to getting mine. By the way I'll be more than happy to vote for your wife. She's a beautiful lady and much like myself you married way out of your league as well.LOL

Greg

I would not have any objection if John K right from the start said :

Hello boys I am looking for support for my wife and if you think she is nice please vote for her.

What I object is the fact that he tried to do it surreptitiously under the cover of the successfull 6 years marriage. Simple and I hope you understand the difference.

Well regarding a Medal for living so many years with an FSU woman I would have not an objection for the Medal. Very hard job indeed.

Please note that I am not married to any RW/UW. It is true that I had a 7 months relationship with Sofia, a Russian woman, and if you are referring for the photos on the thread "The Dilemma" I would like to say thank you on mine and her behalf for your compliments.

[Gator]

Good morning all. 

My head hurts.

Just now I read my words from last night (I certainly do not remember them).  I guess I was trying to say the following:

1.   Jazzy stepped out of line with her catty comments, and such does not reflect the inner beauty which she normally projects.
2.   Jazzy received criticism, justifiably so, yet some remarks were too harsh.
3.   Olga started rolling out photos of fat women, the purpose of which eludes me, and it did not blend well with the “firewater” coursing through my veins. 
4.   Jazzy seemed dispirited, and I had wished to encourage her as well as criticize her mistakes (something I do frequently to my younger son, who is 22, Jazzy’s peer group).
5.   While attempting that, I got distracted by an opinion I have that some men go to Russia/Ukraine and base their “find a wife” decisions mostly on physical beauty rather than character, intellect, fun, friendship, etc.
6.   And I attempted to make that point about my own preferences using Marina and Jazzy as examples (and, KenC, hidden in all of my bad composition were phrases such as “assuming certain stereotypes” and “may be be a very intelligent woman”).
7.   There is a glaring omission -  I should have stated that we are all free to make our personal choices, and what I may prefer is something that another man may not tolerate.  And that is how this thread got sidetracked in the beginning when people started judging another person’s choices (see Item 1 above).

Anyway, John I congratulate you for your 6 years of marriage and I applaud you for the support you have given to your lovely wife.  I wish her success in her career.