Questions from Fiorella about acceptable behaviour by Western Men...

[Kvinna]

Bruno
Unfortunately Sofia cannot understand the principal of not disclosing the name of a person, when you have promised not to do so. She thinks I trust this woman and I should trust her more and tell her the name, which I will never do.

ha
first of all you mentioned AD, then said she is Bruno's g/f, so anybody reading antidate can very easily find out everything
and now you have written this crаp

[Bruno]

ha
first of all you mentioned AD, then said she is Bruno's g/f, so anybody reading antidate can very easily find out everything
and now you have written this crаp

Agree with you... Wiz have sometime a big mouth and say too much... Hundred of peoples on both forum can find who she is... but here, never his real name or detail about living or working place was given... not so sure about antidate, since she is member there from very long time...

Yep... it can be one problem more in our already difficult relationship since the Bill topic... I have know her because of some forum... maybe i will loose her because of some forum... hmmm... a new "dilemma" : do i continue to participate in forum or not... First clyde, second me... seem that forum is not always compatible with a life in couple...

[LEGAL]

Wiz,

You disclose our intimate details of our private conversations and a realtionship to public and now you try to show a respect to somebody.

You selected not right person (me) for your games,sorry.

best regards,

Sofia
  

Sofia,

why you did not rile your protest against posted intimate details and your photos in your firsts posts on the board and instead of it you were writing how you love Wiz?

Olga.

[mirror]

Sofia,

why you did not rile your protest against posted intimate details and your photos in your firsts posts on the board and instead of it you were writing how you love Wiz?

Olga.

Despite of my feelings to Wiz I was not agree with him to show my photos.I asked him many times to delete and to stop to write about me. After the finish our relationship I asked to delete.Simple that.

[Shadow]

Agree with you... Wiz have sometime a big mouth and say too much... Hundred of peoples on both forum can find who she is... but here, never his real name or detail about living or working place was given... not so sure about antidate, since she is member there from very long time...

Yep... it can be one problem more in our already difficult relationship since the Bill topic... I have know her because of some forum... maybe i will loose her because of some forum... hmmm... a new "dilemma" : do i continue to participate in forum or not... First clyde, second me... seem that forum is not always compatible with a life in couple...

Never blame difficulties in a relationship on forums. Not Antidate not RWD. If you get discussion about what you write on forums either you do not know each other well enough or it is an excuse for other things that are not right. You should know each others opinion on subjects and can reach a common one. Even if not it is not a reason to fight.
If you write something different on forums as you say in life, or if your gf does, than there is a problem. The problem is lying, not what is written.

[Admin]

wiz and sophia,

I feel certain I am not alone in telling you guys to TAKE YOUR PERSONAL ISSUES OFF THE BOARD.

Do NOT reply to one another.

Do NOT reference the other in ANY of your posts.

I am genuinely sorry that you guys are having troubles, but you will not find your solutions through posting on the open board. You only expose yourselves to ridicule and second-guessing.

In this particular thread, it is now focused on you two - just as several other threads have drifted to a focus on you two.

Please do as I request and STOP this NOW.

- Dan

[WmGO]

I second that, and suggest that this is a good example of why WM should not be telling their FSUW contacts and girlfriends about this board..........

[LEGAL]

Wiz & Mirror Out of unanimous decision you both have WON the dream vacation of a life time for lovers. You both are entitled to a dream week vacation in a #1 luxury resort. This includes total world and room service including but not limited to strategically mounted cameras for viewing by all. Further you have  a special guest appearance by the world famous Kvinna. (Participation is optional) We hope you both or all three of you have a wonderful time and we are looking forward to your first screen appearance. Must be over 21 to participate and have valid photo ID.


LEGAL

[Bruno]

Never blame difficulties in a relationship on forums. Not Antidate not RWD. If you get discussion about what you write on forums either you do not know each other well enough or it is an excuse for other things that are not right. You should know each others opinion on subjects and can reach a common one. Even if not it is not a reason to fight.
If you write something different on forums as you say in life, or if your gf does, than there is a problem. The problem is lying, not what is written.

No lies here... i wrote all i think... but my thinking change with time and situation...

All have begin when i have show my support to Bill... seem that my girlfriend find that i was not a gentleman with Kvinna... i have always use the same style for write everywhere... simply a problem of choice... me or the solidarity with other RW...

Now, these problem is being resolved... and i hope that the Wiz information will not lead to problem for her on antidate... some there can consider it like a betrayal to the women group and make her pay the price...

In some way, it is problem between two group... Western man, Russian women... a lot of time, i have support the RW side... but in one case, i have support a Western man...

The AD group have a influence on her like the RWD group have a influence on me... in the recent event, we was between two fire, needed to choice one side... a man have chooce the men side because he feel that he is right, and by solidarity to men... and a woman have choose the women side because she feel that she is right, and by solidarity to women...

The last few days was used for resolve the situation with some success... i continue post on RWD, she continue post on Antidate... she don't post anymore on RWD, i don't post anymore on Antidate...

Similar situation can happen in the future life... by example, she don't like my friend and i don't like her friend... the actual experience show us that same if we love each other very much some personal time need to be reserved... maybe one evening with male friend for see bike competition, and her with female friend visiting some cultural event... we can share a lot and have some personal moment...

So, it was a stress situation but both have learn of it... for the best in the future...

You should know each others opinion on subjects

Impossible... We have already speak a lot together, write thousand of page on numerous subject... but know everything about everything ask a lifetime... by example, i don't know what she think about Bill... it have never come to my mind to ask her... it appear that we have different opinion... and since the ambience of the AD topic was more about shotting that negociation... some loose bullet have reach each side... but we have survive...

[Kvinna]

All have begin when i have show my support to Bill... seem that my girlfriend find that i was not a gentleman with Kvinna... i have always use the same style for write everywhere... simply a problem of choice... me or the solidarity with other RW...

wow so I am guilty in your troubles too?

Now, these problem is being resolved... and i hope that the Wiz information will not lead to problem for her on antidate... some there can consider it like a betrayal to the women group and make her pay the price...

lol
relax/ none will blame her

[Shadow]

Bruno the thing is not to let a group of people influence your private life.
I can discuss anything on the forums with Mila, and she sometimes reads with me.
Usually we have the same ideas, about WM and RW.

[Bruno]

wow so I am guilty in your troubles too?

Who say this ? ... the ambiance was hot on the topic... i have write a reply to you who have shock her... Is it Dan guilty when two people fight on his forum... of course not... and if i good remember, the AD topic was not start by you !

[Bruno]

Usually we have the same ideas, about WM and RW.

Same here... but not in these case  ...

[wiz]

Agree with you... Wiz have sometime a big mouth and say too much... Hundred of peoples on both forum can find who she is... but here, never his real name or detail about living or working place was given... not so sure about antidate, since she is member there from very long time...

BRUNO

It wasn't me who open his mouth too much, read your reply to Mirror below on the 16 April. and then I follow you refering to your lady friend.

from: mirror on 16 April 2007, 04:03:30

I don't agree with Wiz in many places of his last post here but I don't want to irritate again anybody with arguments with Wiz.

Soory to be late for the reply... one day work and several page on the topic... and not yet read them...

Sofia, i have some questions ?

You don't agree with the last post of Wiz... Why? To my knowledge, he have send you the draft for review before post it... the result is that the post is not fully similar to the draft.

So, your have know and commant the text before everybody see the definitive version here... Very few men are gentleman enough for allow a ex girlfriend to review a post before make it...

Why complain here now, on a public forum when he have give you the possibility to make comment/modify it before posting... Is it in the only goal to fully discredit him ?

I have read in a other topic here that now you have the antidate support for fight Wiz... funny, the draft was send to me by an antidate lady...

And why do you loose time for fight each other... it don't work between the two of you... in place of fight about the past, turn your eyes to the future and try seek the hapiness with a other guy...

[Bruno]

Wiz,

when i wrote "by an antidate lady"... it mean one lady between almost 6000... who ? Nobody know...

when you wrote "then I follow you refering to your lady friend", you show the lady between the almost 6000... yep, i have only one lady friend... so, not difficult to know who she is for someone reading antidate.

Don't you see the difference ?

A example : If you wrote "a member from RWD have send me a naked picture"... and i reply "it is the boyfriend from VWRV"... Yep, i have not name him but give the needed information for find him without any problem...

So, next time i have information who can help someone but the source of these information is not myself, i will shut up... you put yourself in the water and cannot swin ! Not my problem... i will not spring in the water for help somebody !

[wiz]

Bruno

I know I am the fall guy in your eyes and everybody else but you can not blame me for everything when you let the cat out of the bag in the first place by making reference to AD. You could simply say "I have sent a copy of the original draft the day before wiz published his final version" and omit the reference to your Lady friend.

Sorry but when you asked me to answer with a yes or no you did not made at that point clear the reasons behind your actions, was clarified later, which now are very clear and thank you for doing that.

Anyway water under the bridge now and as you see life goes on.


PS: I don't ever betray the trust of people except if they themselves put my back to the wall and I have to defend myself.

[Gator]

This was an interesting thread.  Now it is completely adulterated.

DOES EVERYONE NOTICE THAT SOFIA HEEDED DAN'S REQUEST (perhaps it is because she did not log in today)?

[Zmejka]

There still seems to be no "Code for Women" supplied by Kvinna or Fiorella and therefore I don't think they actually have a code.

It's currently being discussed at http://forum.antidate.org/index.php?showtopic=6658&st=0

[2tallbill]

It's currently being discussed at http://forum.antidate.org/index.php?showtopic=6658&st=0

I looked at the thread over at antidate. They have some fair ideas, some difficult to for me to understand using an on line translator and they even have some focus problems just like we do on this thread. This thread is worse staying focused and on topic however.

Just my two kopecks

Bill

[mirror]

This was an interesting thread.  Now it is completely adulterated.

DOES EVERYONE NOTICE THAT SOFIA HEEDED DAN'S REQUEST (perhaps it is because she did not log in today)?

Don't worry, dear, I read everything here and I will write if I will see this necessity.

And I understood Dan.   

Sofia

[LEGAL]

It's currently being discussed at http://forum.antidate.org/index.php?showtopic=6658&st=0

It is funny to read   

I like it

Создавать кодексы - это их инициатива... почему мы должны приспосабливаться к ним? Мой кодекс внутри меня и другой мне не нужен..

А вообще приятно знать, что они что-то хотят изменить в себе.. улучшить.. да и предмет (нас то есть  ) лучше знать будут..

To create a Code is their initiative... why do we have to accommodate ourselves to them? My own Code is inside me and I do not need another"
On the whole it is pleasant that they want to change something inside themselves  for the better and they will know the subject ( that is us  ) more better at the same time

My own Code of Conduct inside me...     Either you have it or you don't ...


Olga.

[Elen]

It is funny to read   
I like it
My own Code of Conduct inside me...     Either you have it or you don't ...
Olga.

 Of course it's inside people ( and not only inside you) That code is just created like an orientir what's normal here for foreigner males who met at fields of FSU some girl with "odd" inside code would not think that all others FSU women possess the same one just because it's "such a Russian tradition"

[Gator]

Anti-Date poster wrote,

To create a Code is their initiative... why do we have to accommodate ourselves to them?

A mentality common to many RW.  It is the man's job to propose something.  His woman will then tell him if it is any good or not.

[LEGAL]

That code is just created like an orientir what's normal here for foreigner males

Really? Just created? 

Olga.

[wiz]

This was an interesting thread.  Now it is completely adulterated.

DOES EVERYONE NOTICE THAT SOFIA HEEDED DAN'S REQUEST (perhaps it is because she did not log in today)?

Gator

This thread has been adulterated NOT by me, as you insinuate with your comments.

I have the right to reply, as everybody else, to accusations when directed to me.

Are you refusing me that right?