WMVM Love by conveyor???

[ScottinCrimea]

"warrior" isn't the word that comes to mind when I read the TR.

[William3rd]

Moron comes to mind but I stopped reading the drivel a long time ago and utilized my ignore option.

Amazing how the premise went from being not serious at all about the Foriegn bride process to some kind of decision-making process being in the works. So much for long time girlfriends and relationships. . .

[macman]

I know. . . and I have my convictions about it as well - I just felt better not saying anything (being new here).  And honestly I thought maybe this guy will fall in love with the woman that is heavy (Sweet Sugar) and there would be something good come from it other than sport *&%#ing.

 




BTW

That's sport Dating. . .

[William3rd]

OHHH- I thought you were talking about Sport FISHING!!! .

Speak your piece- new or not, you bring some value to the table here.

[macman]

Well. . . honestly - I was impressed that the famous TR guy had offerered one of the board members some money to help him "out" of Russia with his RW somewhere between girl 8 and 9 or was it 13 and 14 - ??? on another posting; I felt it took some heart and compassion to offer this.  On the other hand - maybe he has terminal priapism and felt it was his only recourse.

Personally, I'm a Christian and don't agree with the WMVMFM mentality.  I don't even want to make love to one unless I "really" wish to marry her.


And now you have my 0.51784 Russian Rouble at todays exchange rate.

 

[catzenmouse]

The issue I take with an "offer" like that is that (to me anyway) it is much more like "HELLO EVERYBODY LOOK AT ME! SEE WHAT A GOOD GUY I AM!". I think a genuine offer given from the heart to really help out would have been done offline. Of course, even some genuine givers just have to make sure others see them do it. Some kind of ego thing I guess.

Ken

[macman]

Doesn't the "sport"fishing TR indicate a possible ego issue anyway?


Heck, he's probably just a ficitional writer anyway.  I took it all as tongue in cheek. 

[William3rd]

When you read his nonsense, he tells a lot more about himself than he thinks. Probably too long with the piPe, makes me want to pUke, and not the kind of guy I Like.

Perhaps an early onset of senile dementia. . . .

[catzenmouse]

No need to hold back William... tell us what you really think! 

I'd bet there are many here who are similarly impressed.

[ScottinCrimea]

He's getting old and limp and is out there trying to prove that he's still a man in the only way he knows how.

[2tallbill]

My theory is to do what works for you, your situation and your personality. There is no
single best way to meet a woman for love and marriage. There is no single location to
find them. What works for Abe from Abilene will fail spectacularly with Bob from Boston.

My advice is to figure out what works for you, then do it. Then do it is the operative
phrase here.

Udachi!

Bill   

[Trenchcoat]

I agree with doing what works for you, but I think newbies may be confused as to not knowing where to start and what approach to take.

WMVM sounds optimal use of time and efficiency but has nuances to being able to successfully pull it off that a newbie might struggle to navigate. Commonly these are not communicating with a FSW too early before travelling (perhaps not much more than a couple of weeks before visiting) and how to deal with her questions over whether you are meeting other women as that can be a clanger.

WOVO is easier for a newbie to navigate as it's more straightforward, it's how I started off and what I generally stuck to for most of my trips. However, it's not a very efficient use of time as a lot of time and resources can be put towards just meeting one woman. I know you Bill have used a WOVO method and then almost transform that into VM if the first girl proves to be no good. That is an interesting method and has it's merits also but I think for many might have some nuances to navigate that some may not find easy.

I think both of those methods are hung up in the days when flight travel tended to cost more and the FSU was less exposed to western culture. Far better these days to try and move away from a time limited mindset and instead of WMVM or WOWO or any adaption of those is to plan to visit for a significant amount of time, I would say in excess of 1 month. Look to budget enough money to travel to the FSU and then live there for at least 1 month, 2 months or more is better. Then just date as you would locally just pulling up the women one after another until you get to one that is the one you want to go with and most crucially who is into you.

It's a strategy that requires more money upfront and time off work, even chucking your job in may be necessary or letting your employer know that you need a long leave of absence. However, I think it allows far greater chances of success with better outcomes. You still need to be able to weigh girls up and find a good girl and as always a bit of luck may come into play but I think it increases the odds a lot of success. Find a region/city of the FSU where you can date a lot of girls fairly quickly and do a good profile choose your dating sites well and you're in business

[2tallbill]

I know you Bill have used a WOVO method and then almost transform that into VM if the first girl
proves to be no good. That is an interesting method and has it's merits also but I think for many
might have some nuances to navigate that some may not find easy.

It's called a backup plan. The visit one has the highest failure rate by far (high risk) but
also the highest reward (when it works it really works). You get to play house and watch
a hot FSUW prance around your apartment in her underwear, while doing cute little things.   

Most men can't put their emotions in a safe then proceed as if nothing happened with the
girl that they had so many hopes and dreams with. I am a salesman, I call potential customers
up and the phone and some of them tell me to do disgusting things with my Dear Mother, which
is not a fun time, but I immediately get on the phone and call another potential customer and
I need to treat them as if the disgusting call never happened.

This never happens in person, people don't tell you to have sex with your mother because that's
how noses get broken especially with people in the construction industry but it happens on the
phone from time to time. So I am better equipped to handle a rejection thousands of miles from
home than some guys. When you think about it, 100% of all the women I ever attempted to
pursue before  Angel Eyes ended in failure, so my only option was to move on or join the
pride parade (which wasn't going to happen).

Once you have boots on the ground, you are 10,000 times better than the ANY keyboard Romeo.
A girl can have beautiful photos, you can sort out the photoshops with the real girls during real
time meetings. You can watch her face when she meets you and you can know how much she
likes you right in the moment, no writing letters or guessing.

To plan to visit for a significant amount of time, I would say in excess of 1 month. Look to budget enough money to travel to the FSU and then live there for at least 1 month, 2 months or more is better. Then just date as you would locally just pulling up the women one after another until you get to one that is the one you want to go with and most crucially who is into you.

It's a strategy that requires more money upfront and time off work, even chucking your job in may be necessary or letting your employer know that you need a long leave of absence. However, I think it allows far greater chances of success with better outcomes. You still need to be able to weigh girls up and find a good girl and as always a bit of luck may come into play but I think it increases the odds a lot of success. Find a region/city of the FSU where you can date a lot of girls fairly quickly and do a good profile choose your dating sites well and you're in business

That has always been the best strategy. Boots on the ground for an extended period of time.
You have to spend your time meeting and sifting through girls, and it doesn't work for the
indecisive kid in a candy store type guys, but those guys are not suited for FSUW anyway. 

Arrange meetings as frequently as you can. Don't arrange ANY second dates to a woman who
doesn't seem VERY interested in you. Guys tend to spend extra dates on the hottest women
hoping that they will become more attracted to them over time. That is a wasted effort.

Spend a bit of time reviewing what worked and what didn't so you can refine your efforts.
Don't ask women for advice about what women want, they will tell you to do things that
don't work. They can tell you a couple things to avoid or where to grab a cup of tea, etc.

Udachi!

Bill

[Trenchcoat]

A good post Bill I agree with the points you raise. Rejection can come with a disheartening feeling shorts after it occurs and for me probably stayed with me for a day it so, the first day being the worst. It's not like I can't take rejection but it's not an enjoyable place to be, can be a big depressing really, you go out there hoping and you get the opposite.

So when a girl came up who wanted he I was surprised, I even went to the meeting thinking it would be another wash out and was surprised. I went to the meeting thinking how silly I was to do the WOVO strategy again seemingly feeling like putting all my chips on one number on the Russian Roulette Wheel. So it can happen but like you say the risk is high of it not working, it really is a gamble every time.

For me I met 6 girls previous before meeting the one I am with. The girl I met in Nikolaev was the most depressing as you might recall on here I went back to the hotel messaged on here about my situation and the guys on here were great in picking me up a bit from it along with a good few drinks from the bedroom lounge drinks bar. The Nikolaev girl gave me the got a call from her female flatmate friend and theres a problem with the washing machine line lol. The girl I met in Minsk was a little depressing also. Kherson Girl looked hopeful but ultimately I don't think she was that interested in me. Thinking back Nikoleav girl I think she might have been thinking that I was hinting at sex by talking about my hotel room so in hindsight I probably shouldn't have brought that up on the first date - I wasn't I was just talking randomly about stuff.

Anyhow, so a lot of effort and done money spent on the venture to meet these women. The above of course are just women that actually led to a date. It doesn't include the rejection from FSW online who were not interested. They are baby more and occasionally ones I rejected as not being the type of girl I was interested in. Usually it took a while, at least a few weeks/months to rummage up a girl to meet but I guess I am kind of picky as well. As soon as a girl showed reasonable interest I went to meet her. I think with hindsight though I should have waited to find a girl who showed a lot of interest in me like the girl I am presently with, but that can be pretty hard to find.

How many girls did you meet before meeting Angel Eyes Bill?

[2tallbill]

How many girls did you meet before meeting Angel Eyes Bill?

Honestly I don't know, less than a hundred? Not a lot less.

[Trenchcoat]

Honestly I don't know, less than a hundred? Not a lot less.

Wow That's a lot Bill. However, it's probably potentially about right for most guys since unless the guy is Brad Pitt the women that are potentially interested in most guys is probably only a few women/percent out of ever hundred. Then of course there is the guy being interested enough in the girl, the guy really has to have at least some interest to carry on with the girl. With that there is alignment of personality, character and finding the person bearable to be with. So all of that really barrows it down and means that finding someone for a long term relationship isn't necessarily going to be an easy task.

Having a shag with a hot FSW along the way can help keep the interest up though

Sometimes the journey alone can have it's enjoyable moments

In general though it really is often a numbers game.