Ain't life grand, an evening in Kiev.

[Jack]

Just getting in from an early night out, it's 2:40am so you know it's an early night, and thought I would go over some of the crazy events of this evening.

So about 5pm I get a call from an Englishman asking about going out somewhere tonight and I tell him sure, meet ya in front of the Globe at 10:30pm.  At about 6:30pm get a call from a guy from Ireland, Adam,  asking about doing something tonight, I tell him I am meeting Tony (not real name of course) at 10:30 etc, etc.  While I get call from the Irish guy I am having dinner with a good friend of mine, Tanya.  Tanya and I have a relationship that I think many guys would like to have in a woman, it's strictly a friendship relationship. Nothing sexual and never will be anything sexual. I told her I would try to help her find a good husband and she will try to help me find a good wife. So I ask Tanya if she would like to come to this club tonight and be my (our) retriever. Basically what this means is if I, or one of the guys, see's a lady we are interested in, Tanya will go and talk to the lady and see if she will join us at our table for a drink. Actually this has worked quite well for me and others for some time.

So at about 10:30pm we meet at the Globe, which is in front of the Post Office on Khershaytk. Tony and I get there a bit early, like 10:20 and the Irish guy Adam shows up a few minutes later.  While we are standing, enjoying the many beautiful sites, I notice a very attractive brunette in a short white mini-skirt. She is about 5ft 6 inches and has a really nice upper built. She was not doing to much, was just walking around the globe looking at how many kilometers the various cities in Ukraine posted at the base of the Globe are from that exact location. I notice one time when she walked close to us she looked at us with a big smile.

Tanya is right on time which is not so common with Ukraine and Russian women as 80% seem to always be 10 to 15 minutes fashionably late. We talk a little bit, I introduce her to Tony and Adam all the time keeping one eye on this attractive brunette that has caught my attention. So were making plans to leave when I ask Tanya if she would go ask this brunette if she would like to go to club with us. Tanya does not hesitate a second and off she goes. Tanya does not have to go to far as this brunette is kind of on our way as we are walking to Khershatyk to get a taxi.  

Tanya talks to her for a minute and us happens so often, Victoria, the attractive brunette say's sure.      So we all introduce ourselves over the next few minutes and then go to get now two taxi's. Adam and I and Victoria get in one taxi and Tanya and Tony in the second.  When Tanya, or any Russian girl, ask's for a taxi it's a good price. Our taxi was 15 grivnas, her taxi with Tony was 10 grivnas but I assure you if any one of us three guys had of stopped this taxi and asked scokla (how much), it would have been 25 or 30 grivnas.

So off to the club we go. Security runs there little metal detector over me and my cell phone causes detector to go off. I say telephone. This is a pretty good size security guard and he says "American?". I say daaa. His partner says "Big American" to which I again say daaa. We go inside the club and all the good tables are reserved, just as they were at the club we went to Monday night and as is the case we run into many times. I prefer a good seat with good un-obstructed view of the dance floor, but all these tables were reserved. So I ask for the manager, tell him I want this table and give him 20 grivnas, $4, .....the table is ours. Usually the tables will cost more on the weekend but for a Tuesday night the bribe money for ringside seats are much cheaper.

We order drinks, watch some fine ladies dancing and talk a little. Was about 20 ladies dancing to 4 or 5 men. There were several groups of two ladies dancing with each other.  Before you know it Victoria and Adam are dancing and not to much time later they seem to be getting along real well. Looks like our Irish friend is doing fine. So I begin to look around a little more seriously as to some of the other ladies in the place. Tony is not looking so much as he had gotten in at 5am that morning and it's beginning to show.

I notice this fine looking blonde sitting at the end of the bar with some glances in my direction. She is sitting with her girlfriend who was not so attractive. Over the next 15 minutes we seemed to make casual eye contact with each other a few times. So I asked Tanya if she would go to this blonde sitting at the end of the bar and see if she would like to join us for a drink. Like a good Golden Retriever off goes Tanya. I watch Tanya's every move. She has to move around people dancing and finally get's close to my fine looking blonde when Tanya does an about halt and turns around, never talking to my blonde.

Tanya comes, sit's by me and I ask what happened? Tanya tells me she knows this woman, has seen her in the club before and she sleeps with men for money, as she put it. Damn!
   Just my damned luck. Those stares at me were just the stares of a working girl. Darn, what a downer.  Adam and Victoria have decided to split. I dance a little with Tanya, Tony dances a little with one of the many women on the dance floor but I do not see anything else that really interest me as did this fine looking blonde. So at about 2am we decided to call it a night.

Going to a new place for me tomorrow. I have heard other people talk about it, a club called something that sounds like Puaddie Paul. That's not the name of it but sounds a little like that. Wednesday is supposed to be a pretty good night for this club. I'll get the correct name of club tomorrow and maybe an update as to how things went here.

[Mir]

I am confused

Aren't you happily married?

[Jack]

daaaa Mir, just a little confused. I was quite happily married for 6 years. Divorced 1.75 years ago and now dating while still grieving the loss of that marriage.

[Mir]

OK
And you were married to an FSU girl?

[Jack]

And you were married to an FSU girl?

Of course. A wonderful FSU woman.   Mir, a suggestion. If you want to get to know a little about a person writing here on RWD their is a feature where you can read that person's posts, all of them. Most people here tell a little about themselves, and a little more and a little more with more postings. If you do not know about a person then it's easy to learn if you will read as to what they have written about themselves and their FSU experiences.

[Jazzyclassy]

One more stupid question Jack are you the owner of this particular forum?

[Kuna]

Jack...

You would definitely know better than me but I felt like every girl in a nightclub in Kiev who makes eye contact was a working girl.

The only times I met girls and struck up conversation (flirting) was outside of clubs... (Shops, street, cafes).

You might have a better eye than me though.

Cheers, have fun in the capital!

Kuna

[Admin]

One more stupid question Jack are you the owner of this particular forum?

I will answer that.

No, Jack is not the owner of this forum. Why do you ask?

- Dan

[Jack]

to crazy jazzy, answer is no.

 


Kuna it all depends on the night clubs you go to. To make such a statement regarding all night clubs in Ukraine with be 1000% incorrect. MANY, let me say again MANY good Ukraine and Russian women go to night clubs to have a good time, to dance, to be with good friends.

In Dneprop where you are for example we see very few working girls at these clubs.  In all of Ukraine "most" clubs are for ladies to go to with their girlfriends or boyfriends and dance, have a good time. Clubs here are not so much as for picking someone up as they are in America.  

The exception to these night clubs I have just mentioned are in the cities of Kiev and Odessa. In these two cities you have several clubs with the sole purpose of providing this service.

Most other cities of Ukraine when foreign guys want this service they ask the doorman to the hotel they are staying at. Of course you will have these type girls in any and all clubs, I would never say this is not going to happen, but the percentage is so low at the majority of these clubs in Kharkov, Lugansk, Dneprop,. Zap, K.R., Kherson, Nikolaev and Vinnitsa.  Again, not the case in Kiev or Odessa where you have a great many foreign men visiting daily.

What I see in Kiev is this. Many foreign men are told about the River Palace for a place to satisfy one's desires. Unlike what this clown scorpion said, these are some of the most beautiful women in all of Kiev, the type of women many of us dream about, BUT any woman there who did not enter with a date IS a working girl, period.

Many foreign men with money have been coming to RP for years. Now the starting out price is $300. A few fine, fine ladies are asking for, and getting $400.  The competition is so intense here at RP that we saw a few years ago was women starting to go to the Moda bar where the competition is not so intense. The Moda bar was a cool place until we began to see more working girls show up. It was a club where one could go and meet, and pickup, some good local ladies. But then the percentage got to 50-50 and when this happened this was no longer a good place to go. Now Moda Bar has changed it's name to Radio City.

Arena Club also about 1.5 years ago began to attract more of the higher priced, more beautiful working girls. Today Arena Club has too high a percentage of these women to even make it interesting to go there. Club 112 has recently began to see more of the women from RP come here because the competition is less.  I expect 112 to be closed or sold soon as it is on the decline.

Myself and most of my clients are turned off by the clubs with a great number of working girls in Kiev and Odessa. If that's what these guys wanted they could have gotten that in Dallas, Detroit or Denver and saved $5000.

So we are always looking for new clubs in Kiev (and Odessa) where the ladies in attendance are there to have a good time and are not there working. And their are a great many of these women, in fact the overall percentage probably like over 90% of all the women in most the other clubs in Kiev are good women.

[Jazzyclassy]

Dear Dan I asked this

cos look how he behaves here very frivolous

     to crazy jazzy, answer is no.
    

It seems like he is  allowed everything here on this forum


Cos he is very rude and absolutely tough talking to memebers here and that made me think he is an athority here if he acts this way , he is not afraid of any kinda boss here , that is why I thought him to be partially this forum owner

[Admin]

Dear Dan I asked this

cos look how he behaves here very frivolous



It seems like he is  allowed everything here on this forum


Cos he is very rude and absolutely tough talking to memebers here and that made me think he is an athority here if he acts this way , he is not afraid of any kinda boss here , that is why I thought him to be partially this forum owner

JC,

Jack is Jack - always has been. Yes, at times he comes across as overbearing - and I've told him that. He also does not receive any preferential treatment here. I've squelched some of Jack's posts - just as I have squelched others, when it was necessary. There are others who are just as "tough talking" - and some even more so (IMO) than Jack.

If you see something from Jack - or anyone else - that you feel violates the ToS, please report it.

- Dan

[Jazzyclassy]

Thank you Dan

[START2]

Jazzy,
  You know darn well that Jack is not owner or part owner of this forum. quit playing your game little girl. He wrote nothing out of line in this thread. If you are so freaking offended, use the %^&^% ignore button and stop reading. Reminds me of an old movie where the cry baby sreams......Aunt Pollyyyyyyyyyyyy.

[ScottinCrimea]

I have to defer to Jack's expertise on the Kiev nightclubs and the working girls.  I know that in Simferopol there will occasionally be women for hire at the clubs but it is not so common.  My wife can pick them out in a second, but I'm usually clueless.  The typical crowd is locals going to mingle and blow off some steam after a long week.  There are other places where these "ladies" can be picked up if one is so inclined.

I remember the first argument my wife and I had on my first trip to see her.  We were sitting at a cafe in the Hotel Yalta and I was looking over my shoulder watching a small child playing.  Then the table behind me filled up with several absolutely gorgeous women and my gaze lingered a little too long.  What can I say, it was my first trip and I was just not accustomed to such sights and hadn't learned yet how to be discreet.  That was bad enough, but what really ticked my wife off was that they were all prostitutes.  I had no clue!

[Jack]

Wednesday night/Thursday morning was a lot funnier that the previous night. It's now 5:30am so as you can imagine when you arrive home at 5am it usually means a good time. At about 4:30am it begins to get light. It was 22c this morning and was quite a pleasant walk home.

As usually their were several "changes of plans" for this evening. Last night heard that Poti Pa  was the club to go to on Wednesday nights and my advice to any of you guys coming to Kiev over the next 6 months who are in Kiev on a Wednesday night this is the place to go. 

Was suppose to go to Poti pa with my English friend Tony but he got a call at about 3pm today while we were eating the sweetest tasting vanilla ice cream on Khershaytk. As you are standing on Khershaytk and saying your standing in front of the MacDonalds, about 80 yards to the left of MacDonald's you will see a little place that sells ice cream. Their will always be a line. The sweetest, most natural vanilla ice cream (on a cone) I have ever had. So anyway this girl from Vinnitsa calls Tony and tells her she is coming to Kiev if he would like to see her, he of course says yes. I have a German client named Dirk (not real name of course) who wants to go out this evening so we have Tanya planned to go with us this evening to be our retriever.

At 5pm am told of the first change of plan and that England and Latvia are playing football tonight beginning at 9:30 and a group of friends have invited me to watch the game at O'Brian's. I agree to watch the first half and then leave for the club Poti Pa. I figure I should be there at about 10:30pm.

At 6:15pm get an sms which results in our second change of plans. Elena from Kherson, a lady that has my interest, sms's me and tells me she is now in Kiev.  I was expecting her on Thursday but this was fine with me. So I sms her, tell her of my plans to be at O'Brians at 9:30, Poti Pa at 10:30 and did she want to join me. She said of course and asked if she could invite a friend. I told her I had a friend coming with me as well and asked her to tell me about her friend, age, height, what she looked like etc. I told her I would get back to her in a few minutes about her friend. I called Dirk and told him about Elena's friend Oksana. All sounds well. Yea, like in America when we hear our blind date is good looking yadda-yadda and she turns out to be one ugly dog.  But Elena told me Oksana was quite attractive and like most the crowd we run around with, speaks good English.  So Dirk say's yea, what's there to lose. If she's bad their should be lot's of other fine ladies at the club.

So I sms Elena (everyone sms's and only calls on phones when it's an absolute necessity) and tell her that everything is fine, invite Oksana.  Now I call Tanya and tell her she is more than welcomed to come to the club tonight but that I would have a date. Tanya say's that's cool, she can do some other things and wishes me a good evening.

Go to O'Brians, watch the first half of game with England leading Latvia 1-0. Pati Pa is located at the far north end of Khershatyk so from O'Brians, or my flat, it's a 10 minute walk. Cool, no need for taxi.  Get to the club at about 11pm. The place is packed. Now I am told this is not a good club for most of us guys on Friday and Saturday because it's mostly a young group but on Wednesday the play 80's music and the crowd was pretty much from about 25 to 40. In most clubs in Kiev you have about 80% of the ladies who look like they just stepped of the model walkway. In this club it was about 60% who looked like models and the rest of the ladies were normal, averaging looking ladies. And no working girls!!  At 11pm it looked like it was about 7 or 8 women to 1 man and the dance floor was packed. Dirk and I could not get any seats or tables as their are very few. Elena and Oksana had not arrived yet. So Dirk and I found a place at one of the two bars surrounding the dance floor. From 11pm until 4:30am I never sat and never wanted to.

At about 11:30 got an sms from Elena, she was out front and could I come and get them. I wanted to sms her back and ask if she was big enough to come in with out my help, but I didn't. I did sms her 20 minutes earlier and told her I was standing at one of the bars and she should be able to find me. But that was not good enough, Jack had to go outside and escort the ladies in. So I went outside and saw my Elena. Elena is a stunning blonde who stands 1.81m. And with her heels on we stand eye to eye. Kinda cool, I like it. And there was Oksana. My oh my was Dirk in for a pleasant surprise. Never did I have, or could I dream of such a blind date when I was growing up in America. Oksana is a beauty. About 5ft 7.5 inchs, 120 pounds, long, beautiful brown hair, a killer body and face to match, and of course, excellent pon'gleski.

So I pay for the ladies entrance, it cost 60 grivnas each ($12 a person).  The same price for ladies to enter as men. I had Dirk hold my spot at the bar, if he had of walked away we would have lost this spot. So I took Elena and Oksana to our spot and introduced Dirk to Oksana. His eyes showed he was quite pleased.  Drinks are a bit expensive in this place but all and all it is a great disco. Good music and as mentioned, lot's of ladies.  At about 1am the 7 or 8 women to 1 man had changed and it was now about 5 to 1.  We were all having a good time. At about 1:45am as I was standing next to the bar I saw one bouncer run by me to my right. I of course looked to see what was going on. Then two more bouncers, all dressed in black, ran by me. Seems there was a scuffle, a little fight with three guys. Each of the bouncers grabbed a guy and was taking his guy outside. A couple of the guys fighting were giving the bouncers a little trouble. The last of the three bouncers, who was also the smallest of the bouncers, was yanking his guy out when in front of me the guy fighting was able to stop his bouncer from moving him anymore and a slight struggle was happening right in front of me. I thought "what the hell, why not" so I came up from behind this guy who was fighting, who had reached a standoff with his bouncer, and I picked the guy up and this allowed the bouncer to pull the guy forward and we quickly pulled the guy to the front door. At the front door was a big bouncer dressed in camo and I set the guy down and handed to him, he replied "Spasba" and I went back to my drink, Elena and my place at the bar.

At 3am I noticed another drop in women to men, it was now about 3 or maybe even 2.5 women to every man.  At 4am it was almost even, almost a one to one ratio.

All in all it was a very nice disco and club. At about 4:30am the place was beginning to clear out. Dirk and Oksana had hit it off well and they left together about 4am. I'll have to check with him later today and see how things went.  So Elena and I are walking to my flat. It's very nice, quiet. It's beginning to get light and like I mentioned, 22c. We go under the walkway to get to the other side of Khershatyk and come up at Independence Square and were walking towards the MacDonald's as my flat is about 100 meters behind the MacDonald's but over two streets to it's right. Out the corner of my eye, about 60 meters to my left, I see two policeman. Oh no, I hope they don't want to mess with us. So Elena and I, we don't look their direction and actually begin to walk slightly to the right, away from the two cops.  Well, theirs not much traffic out at 4:45am and sure enough, these two spotted us and made a bee-line to us. I guess with my bandana on and wearing my sunglasses I looked like an interesting character to stop. Sure enough, they cut us off before I could get to my street. One policeman says something to me in po'russki and I reply "nyet po'russki, only pon'gleski. I bet you want to see my documents" to which he replied yes. I reached into my back pocket, pulled out my passport and showed him my immigration card as well and told him here was everything he should need, in order. He looked and replied "yes, looks good, have a goods night". Neither of the policeman said a word to Elena.

Ok, so that's this evening's, or I should say this morning's, report on this club Poti Pa. It will get 3.5 stars in my book.

[Mir]

Jack

Your stories end at the point from where Pike's start

[Jazzyclassy]

Jack

Your stories end at the point from where Pike's start

Absolutely  and I consider it to be a very  bad influence on all the members of RWD and mostly it produces bad effect on men , cos they all  want to repeat this fake success in meeting millions of strange women..... for the sake of what? of entertainment but not for the sake of creating stable good family

[Rvrwind]

Give me a break!!!
Isn't meeting people & having fun what life is all about. If something developes from that, great, if not, so be it. Your really getting to be an old 'stick in the mud' as they say back home.
They are all consenting adults, who are you to say it is wrong?
Live a little!!!

[Jazzyclassy]

      who are you to say it is wrong?
         

I am the  person as you  and the others and have all the rights to express the things I feel about  what I think is wrong or right

[Makkin]

Jazzy,

  You are right in many ways and I understand what you mean and agree with you on many things.
  I think the sincere men look to find a good woman and start a family together but sometimes it looks like it's not that way when you read it here in some posts.
  The "man" thing always plays a big role in definition of manhood and all things related.
  I understand what you mean and I agree with you on how the content might cause you to be upset because you wish for happy couples and good things. You are really a great woman Jazzy and that will probably never change.

Makkin

   

[Mir]

For the record my comment was meant to be an observation and not a judgement:)
No doubt everyone has the right to express what they feel.
There has been some discussion about prostitutes, well at times there can be a subtle line between a prostitute and non-pros. I mean you go to a club and find a beautiful lady, approach her and straight away she says $300, well no doubt she is one.But what if she agrees to have a drink with you, and you buy several drinks for her, she leaves with you and you have a nice expensive dinner (paid by you) and eventually at the end of this DATE she sleeps with you.Most likely she does this with different men each time she goes to this club. So by conventional definition she is not a working girl, but then........

[BC]

Jazzy,

Don't worry..

I think most of the guys around here are mature enough to see what's really going on and can't really be influenced.  I certainly would not send a lady accompanying me to go and invite some unknown woman in the park to a party or have her invite women from another table in the bar.  If I was interested I would do so myself.

OTOH We all know 'Sex Sells'...

[Gator]

Mir,

Your attitude I suppose is prevalent among many men, maybe most men - "if she slept with me on first date, she sleeps with everyone on first date." 

Before sleeping with someone, I must like them and I must also feel that she likes me, i. e. there is something special.  This can happen quickly, albeit not frequently in my case.  And if there is mutual feeling and the situation comfortable and safe, why not?  If we like each other and we choose not to, that is also okay - it builds up the anticipation.

[Mir]

Your attitude I suppose is prevalent among many men, maybe most men

Not really, I guess each encounter should be assessed individually.
It is possible when a man and a woman meet for the first time after having been introduced through email/telephone etc they decide to have sex on the first night.
And I think this is quite acceptable, the same cannot be said about a girl who you meet for the first time in a nightclub.Should we think bad about such girls,? that is up to each individual to decide and is not the issue here.
 The point is, when men get lucky with such girls they have to insist that they are not prostitutes, not because they think highly of the girls but because they want to believe it was something special about them that makes them so attractive to the girls (and it is not money.)
Girls might sleep with men for various reasons, some for money pure and simple, others for advantages (like a promotion etc. and others for privileges (like able to go to nice clubs/restaurants that they can't afford).And here lies a thin line between them being working girls or not.

[BC]

Girls might sleep with men for various reasons, some for money pure and simple, others for advantages (like a promotion etc. and others for privileges (like able to go to nice clubs/restaurants that they can't afford).And here lies a thin line between them being working girls or not.

Who says women don't like sex as much as men?  Does there have to be a reason?