Lily invited me ...

[seeya]

I have wrote this post on a different thread.  Lily invited me here:

Priviet (is that right?)

I am a serious, good man.  I remain physically attractive, so I regularly date the kind of ladies men go to Russsia to meet  ( pretty and young) .  Worse than that I suspect older guys go to Russia / Ukraine and use there money to attract girls that they could NEVER get fairly.  I would love to get the hard truth.  RW please ...

"Everyone thinks that money is not the key for success.

That is good news to me. Cheesy

so what's the explanation of women enlargening their dating pool and "marriage agencies"?  I have read TRs where those in attendance noted how quickly girls wanted to get married.   Roll Eyes

At the very, very, very least there is inflated interest.  Some one who is out of game in the US, seems to find a couple of extra innings in the FSU.

Would anyone oppose this?"

[Lily]

so what's the explanation of women enlargening their dating pool and "marriage agencies"?  

Seeya,

would you please kindly ask your question in other words? afraid I did not got it..

[seeya]

Question refrased

Russian chicks are seeing green rather than the AM - even if they try not to?

[Lily]

Question refrased

Russian chicks are seeing green rather than the AM - even if they try not to?

OMG ...now I am completely confused with what you mean to ask seeya.. ???

[Jazzyclassy]

I know dear Lily I know

        am a serious, good man.  I remain physically attractive, so I regularly date the kind of ladies men go to Russsia to meet  ( pretty and young) .  Worse than that I suspect older guys go to Russia / Ukraine and use there money to attract girls that they could NEVER get fairly.  I would love to get the hard truth.  RW please ...
      

Apparently you are from the camp of a travellers for cheap Ukraine trips or from Tv serias Big old papa meets 18.y.o mama, pointing at your comment here that you meet young and pretty girls, so are you 19, or 20 to talk like that ?

There are women for money (as you told for green using your  strange slang) everywhere in the world, why are you picking on Russian or Ukrainian women in particular , your generalizations are wrong!

I can tell you for sure decent guy will be searching for a decent girl and eventually he will find her. If you are searching for lust , parties without no obligations , then you will get what you want ........
If you happen to meet women for money yes it is awful , that's life , god women meet such men too you see and are deeply hurt, so remember your mistakes and never repeat them , once again read 10 command. here in the forum and I assure you , you wont meet women for money cos once you follow these rules never to send money and so on  these women will dissappear of your way.

Russian women do not care about your money believe me, am sorry judging even by couple of your posts I can tell you are absolutely not serious...... god even  your money wont compensate that I am sorry for this joke but that is how I feel about you at this very moment:P

Cheer up Seeya:P

[Mir]

older guys go to Russia / Ukraine and use there money to attract girls that they could NEVER get fairly

And what does fairly mean may I ask?

[wiz]

Russian women do not care about your money believe me, .............

Oh really?

Pool the other one Jazzy...... you are only speaking for your self darling!

Stop been so defending and so idealist.........all serious Russian women, on Dating sites, are looking for SECURITY and that means money. Why else they would consider moving abroad, only for love?

[Lily]

all serious Russian women, on Dating sites, are looking for SECURITY and that means money. Why else they would consider moving abroad, only for love?

Now you wiz do the same thing, speaking for all women 

Agree that women look for security. However, security does not necessarily mean the man's money.

[Jazzyclassy]

Now you wiz do the same thing, speaking for all women 

Agree that women look for security. However, security does not necessarily mean the man's money.

Absolutely Wizzy:)

[wiz]

Now you wiz do the same thing, speaking for all women 

Agree that women look for security. However, security does not necessarily mean the man's money.

Lily

I peg to differ with you in that matter, as Jazzy's reference to this is clear in her statement. The definition of security in their profiles boils down to money in my view.

I was not talking about ALL women but all SERIOUS women.

[Lily]

Ok wiz, even better so:

SERIOUS women understand that security does not necessarily mean the man's money 

[Turkey]

I am a curious as to why it's bad for a FSUW to be interested in WM money?  I think that wiz is using common sense and am a little confused by the response by the ladies.

It's perfectly natural for a woman to view the man from the perspective of being able to take care of a family, even if the two will never have kids.  I think this is hardwired into our biology and denying it is counter productive.

What I mean by this is that when you look at a guy and he seems healthy and handsome, from a evolutionary view point what does this mean?  It means that there is greater genetic diversity in your mate and that the things that have helped our species survive are represented in this individual.  We have to be able to identify qualities that help us survive or the species would have died out long ago.

But this doesn't meant that both sexes use the same reproductive strategies.  For women, the cost associated with a mate that will not help rear the child is very large.  It is necessary for the fairer sex to be able to determine if the guy is able to provide for the family and if he will stick around.  Whether this manifests itself in the male being strong, fast, large eyebrows or large bank account, the concept is the same.

I don't think we should be denying this reality but should understand it and use it to better our relationships.

[Lily]

Great post Turkey!

I especially appreciate your touching on a person as a gene provider, and for coupling potentially good genes with attractivity to the opposite gender.

We are not trying to deny money. Our point is that it's not necessarily, and not only about the money.

[macman]

Kak Dela ->

I personally like the post; maybe not how Turk articulated his question - Basic stuff that someone that is dipping his toe in the water would ask. BUT!

I remain physically attractive, so I regularly date the kind of ladies men go to Russsia to meet  ( pretty and young) .

Then why consider messin' w/ FSUW?  I mean if you got pretty and young here in conus and why post if you got it going on?

Personally, I am not traveling for Pretty/Young.  I wish for attractive/mature and someone that desires to be a "real" wife.  These women are neither weak nor stupid.  They are however challenged by life and the rigors of raising a family alone.

The definition of security in their profiles boils down to money in my view.

This is universal regardless of country.  A woman "needs" security and "needs" saftey.  A poor man couldn't provide either as he couldn't afford the monumental task of traveling, meeting and the ulitmate costs of relocating a family.

Yo Turk - as in the past, you seem to have a school boy entry to start the dialog and then blast us with some wisdom.  LOL. . . "Keep on Turkin"

My 0.519380 RUB for today!

do svydonia,

MacMan

[Turkey]

Ha!  Aren't we a suspicious lot   I assure you i'm not seeya.

[Gator]

Wiz,

If two RW offer you a general opinion about RW mentality, I don't think you should say they are wrong.

Seeya, 

I too question why you would want to go to Russia.
 
-  First, RW are no younger and prettier than what you already date. 
-  Second, RW are after only your money (in your opinion). 
-  Third, from this thread it is apparent that you are unable to communicate with RW who are fluent in English.

[wiz]

Wiz,

If two RW offer you a general opinion about RW mentality, I don't think you should say they are wrong.

I did not say they were completely wrong, as you expressed, but I peg to differ because I think the bottom line is money when they are looking for security and that is right, on their part to seek that. It is also right for the man to know that he must be able to provide that security.

The ladies above have not given us any more reasons what else is behind that mentality and why money is not the only thing they look for.

macman

Personally, I am not traveling for Pretty/Young.  I wish for attractive/mature and someone that desires to be a "real" wife.  These women are neither weak nor stupid.  They are however challenged by life and the rigors of raising a family alone.

I have the same wish too, as you and only look for mature attractive woman. Unfortunately so far I have not been lucky to find the right woman for me.

[2tallbill]

I will use an exteme example to make a point

A crack dealer might have a lot of money but would a woman (any woman) feel safe with him? He might abandon her, she might get shot in a gun fight over turf, or traded for another girl, very few woman would be interested in this man for his money. A crack dealer might have a lot of woman however interested in him but I think that these women are usually addicted to crack.

So what is my point?

My point is that woman want security, safety to feel protected. What point does money come in? Money is a part of it but lets look at a few things.

1. If you see a policeman in the US would it ever occur to you to try to bribe him?
**So some security comes from our rule of law here. **

2. Do you require to have doors built out of steel with super complicated locks on them to keep people from stealing your things?
**So some security comes from less threat of theft or rape**

3. If you were married would you go out drinking with your friends and spent most or all of your money for the week leaving nothing for food or bills for the next week?
**So some security comes from your character**

I could name a hundred other things, but security and safety are not all about money. Its also about responsibility, committment, character, compassion, etc.
Yes, money is a definite part of it especially where it contributes to safety or security.

My contention is that with a DECENT woman once a certain level of safety and security is met then money becomes less and less of an issue.

Just my two kopecks


Bill

[Turkey]

I will use an exteme example to make a point

A crack dealer might have a lot of money but would a woman (any woman) feel safe with him? He might abandon her, she might get shot in a gun fight over turf, or traded for another girl, very few woman would be interested in this man for his money. A crack dealer might have a lot of woman however interested in him but I think that these women are usually addicted to crack.

So what is my point?

My point is that woman want security, safety to feel protected. What point does money come in? Money is a part of it but lets look at a few things.

1. If you see a policeman in the US would it ever occur to you to try to bribe him?
**So some security comes from our rule of law here. **

2. Do you require to have doors built out of steel with super complicated locks on them to keep people from stealing your things?
**So some security comes from less threat of theft or rape**

3. If you were married would you go out drinking with your friends and spent most or all of your money for the week leaving nothing for food or bills for the next week?
**So some security comes from your character**

I could name a hundred other things, but security and safety are not all about money. Its also about responsibility, committment, character, compassion, etc.
Yes, money is a definite part of it especially where it contributes to safety or security.

My contention is that with a DECENT woman once a certain level of safety and security is met then money becomes less and less of an issue.

Just my two kopecks


Bill

That's pretty interesting.  I wondered why there were so many 'protect me' type of comments on profiles.  I was beginning to think guys were fighting duels over there or something! I just assumed ceteris paribus.  But I guess with the lack of economic opportunity and the alcohol problems breeds other issues. 

Physical security is just not something that concerns me on a daily basis and the 'character issues' I assumed were the same whether in the west or in the east so it would not have been an impetus to seek foreign men.

I'de be interested to hear what peoples opinions are on the crime in the FSU.

[wxman]

There is more to it than just money. Women all over look for many qualities and look deeper inside a man than what a man does with the women he is seeking. Yes, financial security is important, but so is mental stability, morals, responsibility, family background and so on. Good looks and a lot of money mean nothing if one can not interact well with others, such as respecting the woman you love, being good with children, respecting family, being able to maintain a job. Women do look into your background. How many times have you been married. It's a good indicator especially if you have been divorced more than once. They see how you act. Do you drink a lot.  Do you get violent or act really stupid when you drink. Do you flirt with other women. Do you act like a child when you don't get what you want. Are you able to maintain a good conversation. Do you share similar interests. Do you have similar goals in life. All these and other indicators, which are different in importance with each person, goes into determining if you are a fit suitor or not. We have evolved as a species where there is a lot more determining factors than just being able to bring a hunk of meat back to the cave.

[Lily]

Bravo guys you brought many valid points to the issue 
Wiz, I think it is hardly possible to get a better answer to what is behind this mentality.

Let me just add one observation. Some women may have a mentality 'his money is his and not mine, if I want to have some money I have to go and earn them'. This could be a reflection of the old Soviet 'thou shall not work, thou shall not eat' rule. If she marries a guy with a fat bank account, she may fall into depression that she was unable to make decent savings from her work, and conclude that she may be nothing worth in life.

[macman]

Hooollyyy Mooollyyy! 

Not sure how to translate that into Russian - Yet... or should I say Nyet?  This has turned into a good post - one that I have read cover to cover.

Let me just add one observation. Some women may have a mentality 'his money is his and not mine, if I want to have some money I have to go and earn them

My Judeo-Christian teaching has taught me that my earnings are the family's and the substinance thereof.  If the woman/wife chooses to work, it is her money to spend on herself or on the family however she may choose; HOWEVER,

This could be a reflection of the old Soviet 'thou shall not work, thou shall not eat' rule.

Why in the heck can't we get that old Soviet rule instituted here?  Currently where I live, the only labor that's going on are the labor pains for social assistance. . .

I have the same wish too, as you and only look for mature attractive woman. Unfortunately so far I have not been lucky to find the right woman for me.

Wiz, You've been to FSU >10 and no luck. . . I've not made it further than the Baltic states - My question; what is the percentage of AW that take prozac, paxil, cymbalta or anything similar?

c ya
MM

[wiz]

Wiz, You've been to FSU >10 and no luck. . . I've not made it further than the Baltic states - My question; what is the percentage of AW that take prozac, paxil, cymbalta or anything similar?

c ya
MM

Macman

Let me clarify to you that I may have been to Ukraine and Russia more than 10 times but the first 8 trips were to Ukraine for business and only one of those trips was to meet a woman in Kiev. Of course when there, in business, I met a couple more women during my travels.

The past 9 months I had a stormy relationship with a Russian woman and all my trips there were to meet and live with her. During my last trip 20 May- 5 June, we were engaged and I had to break our engagement after 3 days, then I visited other places and met more women.

I am sorry that I can not elaborate because the woman was a member of this board and I do not want to create problems, as it happened previously. Look on the Experienced section the post "Dilemma" for more details.

BTW I am not American, I was born in Greece and live in UK. I do not have the need to use those substances you make reference to! It maybe more appropriate in your case.

[Turkey]

'thou shall not work, thou shall not eat'

What happened to from each according to his abilities to each according to his needs? LOL!

[wiz]

Bravo guys you brought many valid points to the issue 
Wiz, I think it is hardly possible to get a better answer to what is behind this mentality.

Let me just add one observation. Some women may have a mentality 'his money is his and not mine, if I want to have some money I have to go and earn them'. This could be a reflection of the old Soviet 'thou shall not work, thou shall not eat' rule. If she marries a guy with a fat bank account, she may fall into depression that she was unable to make decent savings from her work, and conclude that she may be nothing worth in life.

Lilly

I totally agree with the WXman comments but that reply came from an AM and not from a RW!

The original comments from you and Jazzy were very vague.

My common sense tells me that if the man has no money to support his RW then all other factors come to insignificance and no relationship can flourish. If this precondition is not there I do not think a RW will go any further.

'thou shall not work, thou shall not eat'

Not a view shared by every woman I have met before.


Why should or would a RW will move out of Russia to live in a lesser standards that she is living now?

What it would be her big motivation?

Love? I don't think so.