My Personal Rant - IMBRA sux!

[ecr844]

Thanks "Admin," for the link.
ECR844

[Maxx2]

The big case here in America lately is the Duke case. These men were falsely accused by a woman and prosecuted by the Prosecutor Nifong who withheld evidence of their innocence for his own political ambitions. He was recently disbarred for this. The Duke players were exonerated. I lifted this of the ODR site.

Quote:

"The INNOCENT Duke Lacrosse players must now disclose to any foreign women which they wish to communicate with or marry--that they were arrested for rape!

IMBRA states:  "The international marriage broker shall collect a certification signed (in written, electronic, or other form) by the United States client accompanied by documentation or an attestation of the following background information about the United States client:
(ii) Any Federal, State, or local arrest or conviction of the United States client for...rape,"

Even though the Duke Lacrosse players are INNOCENT, they must still disclose that they were ARRESTED!"

Those that backed Nifong and IMBRA play dirty. They do not care if innocent people's lives are disrupted or destroyed.


Maxx 

[ecr844]

"MAXX,"

  I was under the impression and I have heard the news media report that the NC Atty. General had initiated the steps necessary to 'erase' this from their record. So that they wouldn't have to deal with repercussions of this. Understandibly they also reported that there were further civil and legal maneauvers to get 'damages' etc..

ECR844

[BC]

I guess the biggest question is whether or not this is unreasonable.  Lets face it,  your last home-town sweetie probably knew just as much about you and IMHO a prospective fiancee should know just about everything before accepting the proposal.

Having to do so up front is probably viewed as levelling the playing field for those that don't have the benefit of a grapevine to inform them about your character..  'eww.. you want to go out with him??'

Looking back, every woman I had a long term relationship with in the past knew my past history beforehand.  I'm sure this was a part of their decision to even go for a cup of coffee with me in the first place.

The more I think about it, the more it begins to make sense. 

All the objections I have seen posted thus far seem to be based mainly on contempt prior to investigation.. 

Don't forget that I have absolutely no motivation at all to lean towards one side or the other.

Convince me that my thoughts are unsound..

[ecr844]

"BC,"

  before I read more about it I was abit upset and I didn't think it was fair that one would be forced to disclose cases where their 'GUILT' was unproven. After reading the majority of the 'offenses,' which one would need to disclose. this makes abot more sense. I also agree with your statement above. 

[BC]

"BC,"

  before I read more about it I was abit upset and I didn't think it was fair that one would be forced to disclose cases where their 'GUILT' was unproven. After reading the majority of the 'offenses,' which one would need to disclose. this makes abot more sense. I also agree with your statement above. 

To calm you a bit more, just think OJ... 

What should he write on his disclosure form?

[TigerPaws]

As for the IMBRA, I have not been following what is happening with the court challenge, could someone enlighten me?

TigerPaws

[William3rd]

The judge ruled completely against the agencies and applied the analogy of regulation of sex industries and further implied that since it was a difference bewteen blood and money, money was losing.

The better case would be one of someone who was denied a fiancee visa under IMBRA but, so far they have been granting the waivers.

[Admin]

"BC,"

  before I read more about it I was abit upset and I didn't think it was fair that one would be forced to disclose cases where their 'GUILT' was unproven. After reading the majority of the 'offenses,' which one would need to disclose. this makes abot more sense. I also agree with your statement above. 

You guys are expressing a great deal more faith in the legal system than I do.

The IMBRA legislation now requires disclosure for:

* The teenager who tries to kiss a girl and is later charged with sexual assault. I know of a case in AZ where this has happened, and the teen is now forever required to register as a sex offender.
* Anyone who is charged with DUI or DWI, even if the charge is bogus and dismissed. Don't believe the authorities might level bogus charges? Think again.
* False imprisonment charges can be, and have been, brought in cases where someone merely turns another person around to speak with them.

While I fully agree that full disclosure of these items is probably appropriate when a relationship has progressed to the point where there is mutual interest and some possibility of a future - to demand it PRIOR to being able to say 'Hi' to someone is ludicrous.

Just another (impassioned) perspective.

- Dan

[William3rd]

To calm you a bit more, just think OJ... 

What should he write on his disclosure form?

That he is still looking for the real killers and will keep looking every day until the day he dies.

[IAmZon]

I think it is BS and I wonder about the enforceability. 

It took FEMA days to get water to New Orleans!

[catzenmouse]

I think it is BS and I wonder about the enforceability. 

It took FEMA days to get water to New Orleans!

Yeah, but if you had feminazi's driving those trucks AND they were just going to save the women they would have been there in about 30 minutes! 

[BC]

You guys are expressing a great deal more faith in the legal system than I do.

Dan,

When LE folks loose their powers of determination whether or not to arrest, aren't we also telling them we don't trust? When judges are handed mandatory sentencing 'guidelines' what is there left to judge? When 'procedure' overrules common sense.. where 'resolving conflict' means 'I'll sue you'..  Yes the legal system ails, but not the intent of IMBRA.

Even the best of laws won't work well without a healthy foundation to stand on.











 

[jb]

While I have the utmost respect for the lawmen and women out there who risk it all everyday, I have come to doubt the sincerity of the lawmaker.  We have way too much "law" on the books which was created as riders on other, legitimate bills, by special interest groups who have lobbied their way into Congress.  We also have way too many "rules and regulations", which were never legislated, yet these rules and regs are treated as law and many times applied against the best interests of the ordinary citizen. 

One of my pet peeves is the Farm Subsidy Act.  This was originally intended to keep the farmer out of the poor house and keep reasonably priced farm products on the grocery store shelf, however it has evolved through government rules and regs as a vehicle by which the clever agribusiness operator can grow fat and rich by simply doing nothing but acquire more land using low cost/low interest taxpayer funded loans which never seem to get paid back. 

IMHO, Congress has been out of control for far too long.

[ElaRossa]

Do you consider within your divorce statistics FSUW/AW under the separation?

Data on separations due restrating order or cases when a woman has to relocated to a shelter is one thing. But there are other a lot of cases hardly to be registered.

Typical scenario -
SHE wants to keep the baby. Moreover, family planning was long and clearly and sincerely discussed many times child before coming here and getting married.
HE - changed his mind, has no recollection of such an agreement, guess what - I lied, I already have kids from previous marriage, I have enough obligations and I don't need more, etc. besides already family existing issues.
Luckily, she has a permanent green card already, she separates and leaves the baby with her parents, as she has to work 3 jobs to support parents with a baby and probably DH, who as a rule relocates to a GF. She can't file for a divorce as she is threaten by DH to report kidnapping. She buying his silence. She knows that with a child by her side she would not be able to make living. She knows that he would neglect parenting and run away from a child support. She doesn't want to deal with SOB. Yet she don't want to come back to FSU as she's probably moving professionally and would like the child to get education here when of age.

Non-reported separation during conditional period - lots of reasons. Typical - paying  him off till a change of status, or some kind of agreement not to file DV, drug dealing,
or other illegal stuff in exchange to file jointly for a change the status if arrived by
K-1. Rare, but possible, when things don't work out, he separates to more obedient AW but is giving the chance (free of charge) to get a permanent green card.

Many run away back to FSU without any divorce filing as live and health have a higher priority than a divorce certificate.

[BC]

One of my pet peeves is the Farm Subsidy Act.  This was originally intended to keep the farmer out of the poor house and keep reasonably priced farm products on the grocery store shelf, however it has evolved through government rules and regs as a vehicle by which the clever agribusiness operator can grow fat and rich by simply doing nothing but acquire more land using low cost/low interest taxpayer funded loans which never seem to get paid back. 

IMHO, Congress has been out of control for far too long.

Well this ought to make your day jb~!

http://tapscottscopydesk.blogspot.com/2006/03/porkbusters-update-taxonomy-of.html

Legislation that directly profits Members of Congress and/or Members' families:

Hard to believe a Member of Congress would just help himself or herself to a bunch of tax dollars, but Utt demonstrates that is what often happens in Congress:

"Because there is no requirement or tradition for a Member of Congress to recuse himself or herself from involvement in legislation that provides them or their relatives with direct financial benefits, Members will often be called upon to vote on legislation that will provide them or their relatives with significant financial benefits.

"While the more typical connection would be between legislation and its influence on the value of a Member's investment portfolio, in some cases the connection is even more direct. In 2002, for example, nine Members of Congress received a total of $243,605 in federal farm subsidies and between 1995 and 2002 the same nine received a total of $2,177,491."

And they voted in 2002 to extend the subsidies another five years and to make them substantially more generous, Utt reported.

[jb]

And then I saw this yesterday.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,289271,00.html

[BC]

And then I saw this yesterday.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,289271,00.html

Totally ridiculous...

[MaxxumUSA]

Do you consider within your divorce statistics FSUW/AW under the separation?

Data on separations due restrating order or cases when a woman has to relocated to a shelter is one thing. But there are other a lot of cases hardly to be registered.

Typical scenario -
SHE wants to keep the baby. Moreover, family planning was long and clearly and sincerely discussed many times child before coming here and getting married.
HE - changed his mind, has no recollection of such an agreement, guess what - I lied, I already have kids from previous marriage, I have enough obligations and I don't need more, etc. besides already family existing issues.
Luckily, she has a permanent green card already, she separates and leaves the baby with her parents, as she has to work 3 jobs to support parents with a baby and probably DH, who as a rule relocates to a GF. She can't file for a divorce as she is threaten by DH to report kidnapping. She buying his silence. She knows that with a child by her side she would not be able to make living. She knows that he would neglect parenting and run away from a child support. She doesn't want to deal with SOB. Yet she don't want to come back to FSU as she's probably moving professionally and would like the child to get education here when of age.

Non-reported separation during conditional period - lots of reasons. Typical - paying  him off till a change of status, or some kind of agreement not to file DV, drug dealing,
or other illegal stuff in exchange to file jointly for a change the status if arrived by
K-1. Rare, but possible, when things don't work out, he separates to more obedient AW but is giving the chance (free of charge) to get a permanent green card.

Many run away back to FSU without any divorce filing as live and health have a higher priority than a divorce certificate.

Ahem...

What?

Can you tell us a little about yourself?  Maybe a post in introductions and icebreakers with a little about your background would help us understand what you might possibly be talking about.

- David