Ladies Only - Sex Tourism Poll

[Kvinna]

but if consider that some women took offence seeing him with other women I suppose there was some promises

Well is it possible that any woman would be happy if she knows that the man she is dating is dating other women as well? (Promises or no promises)

at least if she knews he is going to me not only her she wouldn't over-react
so seems this words - 'I haven't promised or mislead these women at all' - aren't totally true

[Turboguy]

I belive the words are in his trip report that he told the women that he was going to have many business and romantic meetings.  I think that maintains his homor on that front.  I am sure there are less honorable men who do a WMVM.

[catzenmouse]

at least if she knews he is going to me not only her she wouldn't over-react
so seems this words - 'I haven't promised or mislead these women at all' - aren't totally true

This is the big "Grey" area in the TR. It may be the truth that he did not promise or mislead them with his words. But, and this is where none of us truly know, they may have been mislead by things that were done or things that were implied.

As none of us will ever have an answer from the source and we must only go on our instinct from the poster and his posts, the truth of the matter shall never come to light.

Ken

[SANDRO43]

Well is it possible that any woman would be happy if she knows that the man she is dating is dating other women as well?

That applies to men as well, as Pike himself showed with his apparently groundless suspicions over a cell phone call .

Usually, neither women nor men are deliriously happy at finding themselves in competition with unknown third parties.

[ScottinCrimea]

If the women believed that they are meeting for just casual sex with no strings attached and no possibility of a long term resationship, they would have no problem with the idea that he was seeing other women.  The fact that this bothered them and he took such great pains to hide them from each other suggests they were led to believe something different.

Lily, please don't take offense, but I want to ask you a question:  You have said that you see nothing wrong with Pike's report or his activities.  Does that mean that if you found him attractive you would be willing to meet him under the terms that he claims?

[William3rd]

Scott, I think Lily can do a heck of a lot better than ol' Pike.

I wonder if Pike told the women about his colostomy bag, too?

[ScottinCrimea]

thre is no doubt in my mind that Lily can do a heck of a lot better than Pike.  In fact, I think most women can.  But if she accepts his activities as normal, then what?

[batman]

If the women believed that they are meeting for just casual sex with no strings attached and no possibility of a long term resationship, they would have no problem with the idea that he was seeing other women.  The fact that this bothered them and he took such great pains to hide them from each other suggests they were led to believe something different.

Spot on Scott.

[batman]

Lets get down to the very basics of this situation:

Please define the purpose or mission of this website

Please amend the TOS of this site based on the above.

Until these 2 actions are done there is no line drawn and we have this grey area where about 40% of the guys on this forum are happy to jump around in or support those that do.

Then each of us can decide if we want to be part of this group. I'm still not sure if I'm part of a sex tourist/casual sex playboy group or a group of people that have their act together on what is considered acceptable behaviour. I feel like I'm working in a company that hasn't decided if it's ok to steal each others possessions or if it's ok to sexually harass coworkers. (I'm not insinuating anyone is allowing sexual harassment - I'm using an analogy of deciding what is acceptable behavior)

I consider myself a responsible person and have worked in many groups and upheld the standards to the betterment of that group. If I saw a loafing or destructive person I would take action to straighten it out with them or see that that persons senior did. Most of us can say we have done the same - to the betterment of the group we were working with.

I am operating on the basis that this group consists of those individuals whose are searching for a longterm/life long partner in the FSU as their PRIMARY purpose and treat women with dignity, honesty and respect and expect and receive the same treatment in return.

Am I correct in assuming this is such a group? If so this same group would not tolerate the actions of Pike and he would be thrown out for the betterment of the group.

If this is not such a group then I must be in the wrong place. Who needs members of a group that will destroy it given freedom to ruin? Should a company or other group allow it members to dirty it's image?  I would quit any job where the "senior staff" and boss tolerated such unacceptable behavior.

Any group in history has failed when it did not uphold an acceptable level of behavior within the group.

I'm suggesting to define the line and then HOLD THE LINE!

[ScottinCrimea]

Okay Dan, I think the line in the sand has been drawn.  You are in the unenviable position of deciding if that line is in the right place or if some adjustments must be done.  Define the purpose of the board very clearly and let each of us decide if it fits.  I for one am seriously debating my involvement at this point.

[catzenmouse]

Perhaps some of the proponents of a TOS change could take a stab at drafting up a version with what they feel are the corrections/edits etc. that should be included?

I think that this would give Dan a measuring stick to compare his thoughts on how and or what, if anything, might need to be changed.

Just a thought,
 Ken

[SANDRO43]

I feel like I'm working in a company that hasn't decided if it's ok to steal each others possessions or if it's ok to sexually harass coworkers. (I'm not insinuating anyone is allowing sexual harassment

Then why are you making such an implicitly-insulting analogy...

- I'm using an analogy of deciding what is acceptable behavior)

... could you not come up with anything more apropos than thieves and harassers ??? .

[ScottinCrimea]

Sandro, perhaps you could come up with a better analogy as an example for the benefit of us all.

[Lily]

Lily, please don't take offense, but I want to ask you a question:  You have said that you see nothing wrong with Pike's report or his activities.  Does that mean that if you found him attractive you would be willing to meet him under the terms that he claims?

Sure no offence Scott.  I anticipate such question.

My answer: I probably would. But show me the man, let me correspond with him for some time and I could probably tell whether I'd like to meet him without any promises and guarantees, or I'd rather spend my time in some other way.

[SANDRO43]

Sandro, perhaps you could come up with a better analogy as an example for the benefit of us all.

Scott, perhaps I could, but I'm sitting on the OTHER side of the fence, whence far less rabid name-calling is originating, so my contribution might not be wholly appreciated .

[ScottinCrimea]

So I will take that as a no.

[Yulz]

I was waiting for someone to bring up Pike's report on his wonderful trip...
I say it definitely qualifies under sex tourism.. although Pike was desperately trying to reinforce the fact that he was there on a business trip...
Sorry, Pike, this will not fly..

This was my initial reaction.

As I was contemplating about the very definition of sex tourism, and its validity as a concept, I started realizing that really the difference between "a sex tourist" and, well, for the lack of a better word, "a playboy", is that a "sex tourist" travels to other countries to obtain the desirable.. for whatever reason..
But why are we attaching so much importance to sex tourism as a concept, when really there are so many people who sleep around and are in a constant search for a new partner? Is it because a "sex tourist" invests time, effort, and financial funds into traveling far abroad? Pike could have been doing the same thing in the US (or wherever he's from) and we probably would not have raised it as an issue...

Hmm.. so the conclusion I came to is that a sex tourist is really a term under a broad umbrella labelled "Man whore"!  
Pike, tag! you're it!

PS: i did not read the whole thread

[William3rd]

But- a "man whore" gets paid for his services. Do women pay for social security recipients?

[Yulz]

"man whore" gets paid for his services. Do women pay for social security recipients?

hahaha! Pike would be classified under the volunteer branch of the Man Whore division

[William3rd]

Go see "Deuce Bigelow- American Gigolo" for a good laugh.

[Lily]

So I will take that as a no.

excuse me Scott..do I correctly get it that you are saying that you took my answer 'I probably would' as 'No"?
or does your reply refer to some other post?

[Kvinna]

I probably would. But show me the man, let me correspond with him for some time and I could probably tell whether I'd like to meet him without any promises and guarantees, or I'd rather spend my time in some other way.

do I understand correct if he has pretty face and witty enough you would date him even if he write directly he is going to date as many women as possible and perhaps to have sex with some of them?

[Lily]

do I understand correct if he has pretty face and witty enough you would date him even if he write directly he is going to date as many women as possible and perhaps to have sex with some of them?

If he writes me directly that he is going to date as many women as possible and perhaps to have sex with some of them, I would not even meet him, let alone dating him.

In reality, I never received any letter like this.

[Jack]

Lets get down to the very basics of this situation:

Please amend the TOS of this site based on the above.

Until these 2 actions are done there is no line drawn and we have this grey area where about 40% of the guys on this forum are happy to jump around in or support those that do.

This has to be the most stupid thing I have seen posted on this thread.
HOW in the heIl do YOU come up with 40% of the members here supporting guys to "jump"around?    What a false and misleading statement Batman.  

It's now 49%, almost half, who agree to an individual, any individual including you, to  post trip reports without the opportunity for comment or debate.    This is what the vote is about Batman, NOT supporting men like Pike.


50-50, 0r 51-49, that's pretty damn close to half the members who voted.
As a result of the Poll I think Admin see's members saying "yes" let people post without the post being ridiculed during the time it is being posting, but allow for debate and questions "after" the post is finished.

And if this type of Forum does not suit your needs Batman don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.

[Gator]

Holy Toledo Batman,
What is in the Oz diet these days?  A couple of you seem to be on a roid rage.

One can not ignore nearly 50% of the members.  As Jack said, just because they supported Pike’s right to report does not mean that these members identify with his behavior.  I believe a vast majority of the RWD members seek an emotional relationship with a good woman/man.
 
In a broadly representative board, there will always be many different opinions.  If you do not want to associate with a board that allows people to express thoughts that are within the TOS yet possibly differ from your beliefs, then you do need to leave.

If sex is the major problem, I suggest that you go to
 
http://www.russianchristiansingles.com/

I doubt that they will give you all the information that you seek, so you may find yourself visiting us again.