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[Elen]

i used post WW2 as an example. we could have destroyed japan and germany, we could have occupied them and made them non-existent if we wanted. we could have ran over the red army in a week and not had to use nukes. the red army was near collapse at the end of WW2 and we were at full strength, outnumbering the red army in everything

 We do know you USED to post various nonsences. There is no need to show that one more time:P[/font]

[Bruno]

As for your lovely Hamburgers then I'll take your words that those which are sold in America are much more better than Mc Donald feeds us here into consideration and shall make my claims to this firm as they proudly declare their hamburgers are the same all round the world.

Elen, the hamburger from Mc Donald are really the same in all the world... so bad everywhere... when i have speak about hamburger in Texas, i don't speak about Mc Donald... i speak about hamburger in a steak house... make from real beef and not with something without taste where a lot of sauce with fat is needed for have a little taste... a real big hamburger, red inside and not white, with a good salad and some French fries ( from fresh potatoes )...

Mc Donald hamburger is not the American hamburger... it is a industriel one... you can only taste the hamburger by visiting USA and try it in a local steak house...

[Elen]

Well do they garantee you a that real beef they used for those hamburgers in Texas was "organic" but not hormonized?

[anono]

always with the negative comments elen. i have no idea why dan let's you post here.

[anono]

bruno, i was using attacking the red army as something we could have done, had we wanted to, but did not. we knew at the time the russians were going to be difficult to deal with after the war...  evidence?  cold war, maybe?  didn't have that problem with japan or germany...or any other nation...

[Elen]

always with the negative comments elen. i have no idea why dan let's you post here.

Because in comparison with you I'm just an angel [/font]

[anono]

Because in comparison with you I'm just an angel:P 

 

only in your mind, elen.

We do know you USED to post various nonsences. There is no need to show that one more time

 
we? you mean you and maybe a friend, if you have one??  at least only some of what i write is nonsense, elen.

[Elen]

at least only some of what i write is nonsense, elen.

Is that what somebody told you or it's your own wise conlusion?

Any way Anono I leave you here with your endless trip reports as I have another more pleasure things to do than to chat here with you. Bye ( for today;))

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[Admin]

Anono & Elen,

Please cease the hostile posts.

- Dan

[Elen]

You are late like always Dan, but this time I see a progress as you mention not only my name in your "manual" Good sign;) (Ok I'm off from this tread)

[Photo Guy]

It would not make sense to run over the Red Army and push into Russia. At the time, they were our ally. Being an 'ally' meant something. You already know this.

Hamburgers. I liked Elen's comment about hormones in burgers.
It's a reality. As for the dining experience, sometimes a burger with cheese can be SO delicious.  By the way, many of us LOVE the food over there - I enjoyed it all in Kiev.

In Kiev, I did sense a group mentality that sanctioned higher prices for foreigners. In the Bessarabskiy market, that is a common practice.
If you look at the art of haggling and negotiating for prices, you can understand the mindset of charging the highest price possible for the greatest profit.

In the US, there is generally a lack of haggling. There's a difference in attitude about charging and over-charging. If the community sees a particular business over-charging, then the reputation of that business will suffer. There's a stigma. ie Plumber 'John' charged me$400 to fix my ___!!!!   Over-charging is looked at as being unethical here in the US.  Not true at the Bessarabskiy market in Kyiv. If someone hears about a taxi driver over-charging, he will be seen as a liar and a thief, in the US. Nobody will think it is okay, if he takes advantage of a foreigner who does not speak the language.

Iraq?  There are many positive effects of that war. Ask the Kurds.
Having said that, I have to agree that we should remove our troops as soon as possible!! The US wants to come home.
Negotiate?  I never saw Iraq's willingness to negotiate? Did you?  I think Europe's participation in negotiations was completely ineffective. It is now past history and the future should be decided by the Iraqi citizens themselves.    Doug

[corncrowe]

[user=134]Photo Guy[/user] wrote:

It would not make sense to run over the Red Army and push into Russia. At the time, they were our ally. Being an 'ally' meant something. You already know this.

Hamburgers. I liked Elen's comment about hormones in burgers.
It's a reality. As for the dining experience, sometimes a burger with cheese can be SO delicious. By the way, many of us LOVE the food over there - I enjoyed it all in Kiev.

In Kiev, I did sense a group mentality that sanctioned higher prices for foreigners. In the Bessarabskiy market, that is a common practice.
If you look at the art of haggling and negotiating for prices, you can understand the mindset of charging the highest price possible for the greatest profit.

In the US, there is generally a lack of haggling. There's a difference in attitude about charging and over-charging. If the community sees a particular business over-charging, then the reputation of that business will suffer. There's a stigma. ie Plumber 'John' charged me$400 to fix my ___!!!! Over-charging is looked at as being unethical here in the US. Not true at the Bessarabskiy market in Kyiv. If someone hears about a taxi driver over-charging, he will be seen as a liar and a thief, in the US. Nobody will think it is okay, if he takes advantage of a foreigner who does not speak the language.

Iraq? There are many positive effects of that war. Ask the Kurds.
Having said that, I have to agree that we should remove our troops as soon as possible!! The US wants to come home.
Negotiate? I never saw Iraq's willingness to negotiate? Did you? I think Europe's participation in negotiations was completely ineffective. It is now past history and the future should be decided by the Iraqi citizens themselves. Doug

 

Ask Churchill!

 

[Photo Guy]

I lost his number.

[Bruno]

Ask Churchill!

About what ??? American hamburger of plumber ? :D:D

If you speak about the WWII, i can say that without the russian, Churchill will be German... the opening of the fight on the border of Russia have allow UK and USA to have the time for ready the debarqement... Without these fight with Russian, nothing have block Germain to invade the UK very fast... Russian have keep busy the german during several year at a heavy price, the life of several people...

Now, it is more simple... due to several war, Russian have not enough men for all the beautiful lady... and we help Russia to keep a normal ratio Woman/Man by hosting the more beautiful Russian woman in our own country... Really, we are good guys :D:D

[corncrowe]

Ask Churchill!

About what ??? American hamburger of plumber ? :D:D

If you speak about the WWII, i can say that without the russian, Churchill will be German... the opening of the fight on the border of Russia have allow UK and USA to have the time for ready the debarqement... Without these fight with Russian, nothing have block Germain to invade the UK very fast... Russian have keep busy the german during several year at a heavy price, the life of several people...

Now, it is more simple... due to several war, Russian have not enough men for all the beautiful lady... and we help Russia to keep a normal ratio Woman/Man by hosting the more beautiful Russian woman in our own country... Really, we are good guys :D:D
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But didn't the devil "Stalin" sign a peace accord with himself, all evil "Hitler" to preserve the peace?  Russia's war with Germany was idology.  Where England was for freedom. 

Jon

 

[Photo Guy]

We must teach them that in the West the woman is on top!
...No,  wait!  That's not correct. There are times when a woman
SHOULD be submissive, regardless of what Gloria Steinem says.

She did have a few interesting quotes, like:
'Some of us are becoming the men we wanted to marry.'

[corncrowe]

[user=134]Photo Guy[/user] wrote:

We must teach them that in the West the woman is on top!
...No, wait! That's not correct. There are times when a woman
SHOULD be submissive, regardless of what Gloria Steinem says.

She did have a few interesting quotes, like:
'Some of us are becoming the men we wanted to marry.'

Doug,

I hate to bust your bubble, but the woman's movement wasn't just to instill a penis on every American woman.  A good part of the feminist movement was to attain "equality" with their male counterparts.  What's wrong with a woman having the same rights as men? 

Did some women take it too far?  Maybe, but when your love arrives in America and must work at Walmart because her prior work experience and education are not accepted in the U.S. then what tune will you sing?  Will you be upset at the injustice if your wife works for an employer who pays her 25% less than her male co-workers of equal skill and education?

The myth of American women dominating male society will always be an excuse for not having a sound relationship with American women.  But in reality, women throughout the world demand equality, freedom of choice, speech, the right to decide their future, and mate, etc.  What's so wrong with that?

Go to the FSU for a wife because of the real reason and not imagined conspiracy from American women.  Maybe it's because of their allure.  Maybe it's their sexy voice that is laced with intelligence.  Maybe it's because they make you sweat at night with desire.  For whatever reason, don't go because you believe American women will subjugate your manhood.

For me it's just a personal preference.  I can live with any woman because I can share the wealth!

Jon

 

[Elen]

But didn't the devil "Stalin" sign a peace accord with himself, all evil "Hitler" to preserve the peace?  Russia's war with Germany was idology.  Where England was for freedom. 

Jon

 

Odd conclusion May be Russian own opinion what they  fought for in that War ( abd did that better that many other Europeans)  would ever take into condideration at the West.?

BTW how Britain "freedom" is different to Russian wish to live like they want in their own land? ( though in that War it was a question would Russian live at all)

[Turboguy]

I have to agree with Elen here.  Russia was fighting for freedom.   Even though the people themselves had no freedom victory by Germany would have been as bad or worse as a defeat of England. 

Of course in reality the Russians were fighting because if they did not they would be shot.   It was a sort of no win situation.   Advance and be killed by the Germans.  Retreat and be killed by your own officers.  

[Elen]

Of course in reality the Russians were fighting because if they did not they would be shot.  

 One more Western "conclusion" when facts of some events which were in minor are generalizated and therefore become big lie. Russians never would win if they fought because of fear. And such your statements, westerns, are and offence (and big one) to the memory of our grands:X
You should read something exept your western propaganda and history in re-telling of your "free" historian and turn up your own brains.

As for me I know about that war from my grands but not from "news-papers" There were "many" there and it could not be in another "wite" way at THAT War but "fear of officers" ( who btw did were in the front line in attacks) never was the main reason for Russian in their fight.

And nobody stood behind a shoulder with a gun of those people who went to partizans

[Photo Guy]

We must teach them that in the West the woman is on top!
...No, wait! That's not correct. There are times when a woman
SHOULD be submissive, regardless of what Gloria Steinem says.

She did have a few interesting quotes, like:
'Some of us are becoming the men we wanted to marry.'

Doug,

I hate to bust your bubble, but the woman's movement wasn't just to instill a penis on every American woman.  A good part of the feminist movement was to attain "equality" with their male counterparts.  What's wrong with a woman having the same rights as men?  

Did some women take it too far?  Maybe, but when your love arrives in America and must work at Walmart because her prior work experience and education are not accepted in the U.S. then what tune will you sing?  Will you be upset at the injustice if your wife works for an employer who pays her 25% less than her male co-workers of equal skill and education?

The myth of American women dominating male society will always be an excuse for not having a sound relationship with American women.  But in reality, women throughout the world demand equality, freedom of choice, speech, the right to decide their future, and mate, etc.  What's so wrong with that?

Go to the FSU for a wife because of the real reason and not imagined conspiracy from American women.  Maybe it's because of their allure.  Maybe it's their sexy voice that is laced with intelligence.  Maybe it's because they make you sweat at night with desire.  For whatever reason, don't go because you believe American women will subjugate your manhood.

For me it's just a personal preference.  I can live with any woman because I can share the wealth!
Jon
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Jon,
What did I write that led you to believe I thought the women's movement was all about instilling a penis on a woman?!!  You're jumping to conclusions about what I think about the women's movement. That's for sure.  Why are you doing that? It's absurd.

I certainly believe in equal rights and EQUAL PAY for the same work. If you don't know what I think about feminism, why not ask me, rather than putting all of these %#&!  words in my mouth? I never said all of these horrible things that you are attributing to me. You're being unfair here.

What I do believe is that many women in the US do not feel comfortable with their own feminity, which they see as a deficient weakness. From the four sentences that I posted, how did you conclude that I had certain opinions about how her work experience and education are accepted or not? Tell me, please. It's laughable to imply that I went to the FSU because of an 'imagined conspiracy' by AW.
It's ridiculous and again, I don't see how you got that from my four sentences.

If you want to see aspects of American society dominated by women, simply look at any TV sitcom, and also many Hollywood movies, and TV commercials. The women are portrayed as strong and the men as weak.

Again, do not pretend that I have the opinion that women should not have freedom of speech, choice, etc. Why are you doing that?
If someone doesn't like Picasso, that doesn't mean we should lecture on and on about the virtues of the visual arts and go on to justify the existence of oil paintings, should we?

I've known AW. I have a personal preference for a particular woman from the Ukraine. So? What's your point? There are many valid reasons for having that preference. One of them is that I don't want an AW who wants to be my leader, and who is overly competitive within our relationship, and who feels uncomfortable being a sexy feminine creature because she feels a need to be manly to compete in the workplace.

You say you can live with ANY woman? Now that makes no sense to me. Does that mean you have no particular standards or criteria for selecting a mate?

I like a few AW, who are not mainstream feminists. There are AW who are quite feminine and enjoy being that way. Unfortunately, they are a minority here.  The idea that a woman should please a man, is a rather foreign concept here. I subscribe to the idea that men should please women and women should please men. On every level.  In the US, that simple concept is controversial.   Doug

[corncrowe]

[user=134]Photo Guy[/user] wrote:

We must teach them that in the West the woman is on top!
...No, wait! That's not correct. There are times when a woman
SHOULD be submissive, regardless of what Gloria Steinem says.

She did have a few interesting quotes, like:
'Some of us are becoming the men we wanted to marry.'

Doug,

I hate to bust your bubble, but the woman's movement wasn't just to instill a penis on every American woman. A good part of the feminist movement was to attain "equality" with their male counterparts. What's wrong with a woman having the same rights as men?

Did some women take it too far? Maybe, but when your love arrives in America and must work at Walmart because her prior work experience and education are not accepted in the U.S. then what tune will you sing? Will you be upset at the injustice if your wife works for an employer who pays her 25% less than her male co-workers of equal skill and education?

The myth of American women dominating male society will always be an excuse for not having a sound relationship with American women. But in reality, women throughout the world demand equality, freedom of choice, speech, the right to decide their future, and mate, etc. What's so wrong with that?

Go to the FSU for a wife because of the real reason and not imagined conspiracy from American women. Maybe it's because of their allure. Maybe it's their sexy voice that is laced with intelligence. Maybe it's because they make you sweat at night with desire. For whatever reason, don't go because you believe American women will subjugate your manhood.

For me it's just a personal preference. I can live with any woman because I can share the wealth!
Jon

Jon,
What did I write that led you to believe I thought the women's movement was all about instilling a penis on a woman?!! You're jumping to conclusions about what I think about the women's movement. That's for sure. Why are you doing that? It's absurd.

I certainly believe in equal rights and EQUAL PAY for the same work. If you don't know what I think about feminism, why not ask me, rather than putting all of these %#&! words in my mouth? I never said all of these horrible things that you are attributing to me. You're being unfair here.

What I do believe is that many women in the US do not feel comfortable with their own feminity, which they see as a deficient weakness. From the four sentences that I posted, how did you conclude that I had certain opinions about how her work experience and education are accepted or not? Tell me, please. It's laughable to imply that I went to the FSU because of an 'imagined conspiracy' by AW.
It's ridiculous and again, I don't see how you got that from my four sentences.

If you want to see aspects of American society dominated by women, simply look at any TV sitcom, and also many Hollywood movies, and TV commercials. The women are portrayed as strong and the men as weak.

Again, do not pretend that I have the opinion that women should not have freedom of speech, choice, etc. Why are you doing that?
If someone doesn't like Picasso, that doesn't mean we should lecture on and on about the virtues of the visual arts and go on to justify the existence of oil paintings, should we?

I've known AW. I have a personal preference for a particular woman from the Ukraine. So? What's your point? There are many valid reasons for having that preference. One of them is that I don't want an AW who wants to be my leader, and who is overly competitive within our relationship, and who feels uncomfortable being a sexy feminine creature because she feels a need to be manly to compete in the workplace.

You say you can live with ANY woman? Now that makes no sense to me. Does that mean you have no particular standards or criteria for selecting a mate?

I like a few AW, who are not mainstream feminists. There are AW who are quite feminine and enjoy being that way. Unfortunately, they are a minority here. The idea that a woman should please a man, is a rather foreign concept here. I subscribe to the idea that men should please women and women should please men. On every level. In the US, that simple concept is controversial. Doug[/quote]
Doug,

I shouldn't have used your tag and discussed another topic within the same content.  I also agree with you on several points "she feels a need to be manly to compete in the workplace".  I believe the correct term is "pushy broad!".  We view American women sometimes as too pushy and demanding.  This is the extreme of equality that women sought for so long.  They come across as "demanding" too much from us men.  We don't want to give up all facets of our masculinity. 

It's the masculine women who give feminists a bad rap.  I don't know if I would go so far to say a woman must "please" me in any manner.  I can do my own cooking and cleaning, so the pleasing part would most likely be companionship.  I agree that both partners must take the time to understand and appreciate the efforts of the other. 

"I don't want an AW who wants to be my leader..." 

Wait until you bring a woman home from the FSU.  A really clever woman can assume the lead role while letting you "believe" it's you fullfilling this duty.  A woman from the FSU may not force her will in such a way that it's obvious.  But there are many subtle ways for a woman to lead while pretending to be the submissive partner.

I wonder if anyone really looked into how FSU women differ in the means and manner of male manipulation?  Like I said, women vary in how they are taught to control men.  Too bad many American women lost the ability to soothe the savage beast without using a club.

So I am not directing this response at your post.  It should have been another topic or I should have seperated the tag.

Jon 

[Bruno]

a woman home from the FSU...  to be the submissive partner.

Sorry, but "RW" and "submissive" are two term that you cannot associate...

And in some way, submissive is difficult to associate with partner... submissive mean more a relation master/slave... partner a relation where everybody is equal...

Now, RW are certainly not submissive... they are partner who ask equal right... but they know that in some domain, they are better that man... and that in other domain, the man is better... they understand the difference between the two sex... and are able to take the best of these difference for build a successful partnership.

 

[corncrowe]

a woman home from the FSU...  to be the submissive partner.

Sorry, but "RW" and "submissive" are two term that you cannot associate...

And in some way, submissive is difficult to associate with partner... submissive mean more a relation master/slave... partner a relation where everybody is equal...

Now, RW are certainly not submissive... they are partner who ask equal right... but they know that in some domain, they are better that man... and that in other domain, the man is better... they understand the difference between the two sex... and are able to take the best of these difference for build a successful partnership.

 
[/quote]
Bruno,

It's "...pretending to be the submissive partner."  There's a big different in just one tiny word.  It makes the sentence more undrestandable.  Why?  Because "pretending" to be submissive is no different than allowing the man to believe he is in control.

All people pretend at some point to get what they want.  Why would a woman be any different if she "acted" in love?  Or maybe she "pretended" to listen when in fact her mind was already made up.  A woman can pretend to be "weak" when she is actually pulling the man's strings like a puppet and he is either too "weak" or dumb to understand the subtle art of female manipulation.

Kiss, kiss...and some men just go googie!

Jon

[2tallbill]

Great minds talk about ideas, average minds talk about things, small minds talk about other people. --Author is unknown

(however, it is oft attributed to Samuel Clemmons, alias, "Mark Twain")

“Strong minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, weak minds discuss people.”
― Socrates

I've heard it was from Socrates, but not directly. So a weak mind?