Any listing of black lists?

[Elen]

"Leslie" is now a collective name So you can't lay claim to us:P

[Bruno]

Bruno, we agreed that if Leslie call russian scammers "fat Yury" then we call american men-scammers "Leslies" . What is wrong with that?

By the way, when we get attacks and insults all members prefer to look show in silence.

You call them already keyboard Romeo... now, you have two name !!!

About the insult, i don't agree with this... but to be honest, you have make some provocation... it explain the insult but don't justify it.

In French, we have a proverb who say : Qui sème le vent, recolte la tempête...

 

[Admin]

Bruno, we agreed that if Leslie call russian scammers "fat Yury" then we call american men-scammers "Leslies" . What is wrong with that?

By the way, when we get attacks and insults all members prefer to look show in silence.

Well, for one thing, Leslie is NOT an American.

But hey! You and your troupe are on a roll today, so don't let something like a FACT or two dissuade you from your fun :cool:

- Dan

[Turboguy]

Bruno, we agreed that if Leslie call russian scammers "fat Yury" then we call american men-scammers "Leslies" . What is wrong with that?

By the way, when we get attacks and insults all members prefer to look show in silence.

For another thing I have not seen anyone name Yuri here.  I have seen someone named Leslie here.    If we found some really rotten quaility some Russian gals have and named it after one of the women here that would not be fair either.

I do agree with what you say that there are some ladies that are mislead about the kind of guy that they are moving for and they have given up a lot to come here.   I think it is good that there is a site to help them out.  

I do think it is funny though most of the guys say one of the qualities they really like about the FSU women is their intelligence.  Your post "Until dating field of internet are full of old fat Leslies who surf multiply marriage agencies looking for hot chicks from poor contries who don't know laws of their country and who supposed to be submissive "traditional" wives without any knowledge of their rights, antidate will be on the side of these women. "  sort of implies a nieve and less intelligent type of gal over there.  

Frank,  I just read some of the story over at the other site.   I did not see what your gal did to you.  I saw were she asked for $ 8,000 to start her life over.  I could tell you were very hurt by it all and that you loved her a lot.   I saw where you were trying to do what ever you could to hold onto her.  Love is sort of a funny thing.  It either is or isn't and you can't do anything to make someone love you.  I think you would have tried to do anything in your power though and my hat is off to you.   Could you fill in me and any of the others who don't know the story.   Thanks
 

[5150]

BERFORE coming over here she demanded $7K "in case we get divorced & I have to come back I can have something." WHen we started to have problems the same figure came up but only it went up $1K. To top it off 12 days after arrival she had an affair. I am a music teacher & play in a band. She actually slept with one of my STUDENTS/ex friend & met with him at the place I PLAY AT. So when EVERYONE KNEW about it. She would tell all my "friends" she had been sleeping around since shortly after our marriage & she could not stay with one man. Of course I had hints of things what hurt was my "friends" did not fill me in on everything till after she left the country. Now everything is clear & makes sense but at the time I gave the benefit of the doubt. When I confronted the guy he admitted it & said SHE came on to him. Well it doesn't matter who initiated it, it happened. When she arrived she was ALREADY pregnant. Then tried to tell me it was mine. Of course I'm not THAT bad at math so I could figure it out. It's just I had chosen to IGNORE most of the red flags. I was just WAY too emotionally attached to her.
I finally decided to send her home when I found the guys phone # & checked my outgoing calls & she was trying to hook up with him again. Needless to say I approached the guy & he is going no where near her OR me at this time. Well she's in Ukraine so fat chance of that.
In any case there was deception from the start. All the way from lying about not smoking (she was an over a pack a day smoker) to many other things. Quite simply it sadly appears NOTHING was what I THOUGHT it was. Not sure exactly how MUCH was an act FROM THE START.
It's very difficult to talk about it but I don't want her to do it to anyone else. To make matters worse she told me she was changin her hair color & style which leads me to believe she will try to do this again.
I will be expecting a phone call claiming she is repentant & wants to get back together with me & has my child. She does NOT know I know as much as I do now. Quite simply my friends failed to tell me all this. They simply said "send her back. She's nice but he's not good for you." Of course THAT is simply not sufficient for me to send her back. After she left then they ALL spilt the beans on her. Drug use, blackmail you mail it all surfaced & NOT just with me. She tried to blackmail a friend of mine by threatening to tell his fiancee (Ukrainian from Kiev) things that woudl "tear them apart". He's the one who finally told me about the affair.

[START2]

5150, you should be laughing in your sleep now. Did you say she was pregnant? Her chances just became a little smaller in the scam business. Maybe not alot but a little. She'll now have to be caring for a little one soon. Good it's not yours. You made your mistakes and at your age not good ones but move on. Hey, post her photo here. What harm could it do? As for some of the russian "ladies" here,  some are just feminists  or as we say in america ladies ," feminazis' take it with a grain a salt. They're cold and hard but give some entertaining posts. More westernized than they want to think.  I'll agree and take some time to recover then go from there. It's good advice. The typical scammer doesn't even want to meet much less marry, but typical can have a wide range. The whole story would be interesting to read and I'm sure very personal, so unless you want to open yourself up to criticism and advice which is to late now, be carefull to go on with this. AHHHHH.. Lessons learned.

[5150]

She was thinking of aborting but her mother talked her out of it. Her mother said she would raise the child. Prior to her coming here she once asked me "If we have a child & we get divorced would YOU want to raise the child?". I thought if I said yes she would get angry as perhaps she wanted custody. I said I would like to but I don't want to talk about it. She said "good, because I woudln't make a good mother. Maybe after 5 years we could get back together & I might be a good mother then.". In other words let me get this out of my system then whe I'm ready to settle down I'll come back to you.
So in that case I do NOT think a child would slow her down. Then again who knows if she doesn't have my income to support her lifestyle over there...who knows? She would need another sugar daddy to provide what I provided for her. I don't know how to post a pic here as I don't have a scanner. I'd have to go to Kinko's or e mail somene the pic for them to post.

[wxman]

Don't know if she would get much of a chance of returning here if you reported her to the US Embassy, and immigration on what happened. I'm sure they would attach some red flags to her name, but then again she could just try and latch on to someone from another country.

[5150]

Well she always complained about America but at the end said she liked it. She DID mention other countries so I'm led to believe she will try again. I am going to cover as much as I can to prevent her from scamming & hurting anyone else.

[philb]

Frank, just drop it all, move on, get over it.  You want to make sure she doesn't do this to someone else, well that is not possible.  The only thing you can make certain of is that this does not happen to you again.

I read your posts here and on the PL board and there are a lot of things that just do not make sense.  On the 6th of May you talk about how great things are and then all of a sudden on the 20th you talk about how bad things are and have been since the beginning.  Now you are posting about affairs and a multitude of other things that occured during this short relationship. 

You want to place her on scam sites?  Frankly, I am not so sure.  You were in a relationship she miss represented herself.  Did you always represent yourself in complete honesty?

I am sure that this was a horrid relationship.  But, who's fault is this?  Her's, your's, or a combination of the two?  The best thing you can do is just learn and move on.

[5150]

On the 6th of May things WERE great. By that next day the 7th after my cousins graduation she was crying & wanted to go home. By the following week she was already sleeping with my "friend". Hey man I must have been dumber than dirt & blind, sorry, believe me I'm sorry. As for me I don't believe I EVER have misrepresented myself. What you see is what you get for better or worse. If I'm a non smoker I'm not going to say I smoke. If I'm NOT into clubbing I'm not going to say I am. I WORK in clubs as I'm a musician. do you think I hang at them when I'm NOT working? Anyways I know I'm going to here many blaming me & I know I'm LARGELY to blame due to being so ignorant of the red flags I chose to disregard.
We even tried to reconcile after the affair but she simply could not go longer than 3 days without something blowing up. I just couldn't live like that man. I need stability not to be putting out fires every 3 to 4 days man.
You ARE correct though I don't plan on letting this ever happen to ME again but by the same token I'm not going to give her carte blanche to do this to someone else. If I'm a "bad" person for putting her on a blacklist then I am a REALLY bad person but for MY concious I must do this.

[tim 360]

Hey Frank,  It is near impossible to put something like you have been through---behind you---BEFORE you have sorted everything out,  both in your mind and within your emotions.  I actually recall your first trip to Lugansk...some time ago.  Love and romance,  the way we were???  Letting people know what happened is a good healthy cathartic way to release the pain and to see the situtation for what it really was.  Sweeping it under the carpet is not the healthiest way to go.  Venting can be positive.   Trust me on that.  Get all the poisons out lad.  And then,  the very best revenge.... is to live a great life.

I personally have a very dim view of the anti-scam sites,  but it is your decision.  You took the hit.  Just think.  After she delivers her progeny,  I am sure she will be just another sweet young un-wed mother FSU profile with 1 child in the FSU which some stupid guy will fall in love with.  Of course the girl will have the appropiate stories which Mama will swear to.  And she will be on to the next mark.  This girl shouldn't be in Lugansk,  she should be in the Circus with ole' PT Barnum barking and collecting the $ to get the suckers into his tent to see her operate.  Go girl go.

Pregnant????  Gee willickers Frank.  You did right to send her back to Lugansk right quick.  You know,  in alot of states,  with the right lawyer,  the family court judge,  you would be nailed with Child Support AND maintenence even though your DNA did not match.   A good 18 years worth.  And the domestic violence charges would have been your kiss of death.

I swear,  that in the FSU they must have self-help books and videos and seminars for women to screw a foreign guy over....legally.  However you got her to go back will,  upon reflection,  be one of the smartest moves you have ever made.  Now that you should fully celebrate.  Now,   Peace, Tim

ps: and don't pay too much attention to some of these FSU female posters.  probably very nice ladies,   but in some things...ignorant.

 

 

[Bruno]

5150, you story is a little similar that my own story... i was married during 5 year, i have love a lot my RW and her child but the same day that she have receive the Belgium nationality, she have ask the divorce...

Only after, i have know the true... she have never love me, she was only wishing go outside Russia for a better future for her child... Anastassia is coming here with a cerebral paralysis... a lot of money invent in doctor and hospital but now, she is like a normal child... same better, his QI is up the normal... and i have know about other man...

I have choice to stay calm... it was not easy to life... i was always thinking to my breaking, my loose of child, ... but we have make a divorce very calm... without any fight...

Now, i am back from a misluck trip... but the positive side of this is that when i was hunting, i have forget my previous wife...

Turn the page, start again hunting... the right one is waiting you... reveange is not the solution...

PS : now, i am in communication with a woman of Ukraine, she is 6.5 month pregnant, his husband have quit her when she was 2 month pregnant... i hope for me that it is not your wife... the woman is called Elena... is it her ? If i ask this, it is because i have no chance and i choice always the bad one...

[5150]

My wife's name is Dina but she goes by Diana. I don't know why but she said that even after the divorce she will keep my last name Fuentes. Go figure. SHe is NOT from Lugansk. she is from Radomyshl in Zhytomir Region. My first trip WAS to Lugansk though.
Also I'm NOT seeking revenge by any means. I'm NOT out to harm her. I want her to be happy but I also want her to be "nice". For whatever reason, probably just her youth she made MANY stupid decisions.

[mischief]

[user=26]5150[/user] wrote:

My wife's name is Dina but she goes by Diana. I don't know why but she said that even after the divorce she will keep my last name Fuentes. Go figure. SHe is NOT from Lugansk. she is from Radomyshl in Zhytomir Region. My first trip WAS to Lugansk though.
Also I'm NOT seeking revenge by any means. I'm NOT out to harm her. I want her to be happy but I also want her to be "nice". For whatever reason, probably just her youth she made MANY stupid decisions.

 

Frank, I think you got a good advice: drop it and move on!  Whatever she did to you, it will get back at her one way or the other!  Besides, she will have a very hard time to get any visa to the US anyway... 

She'll keep your last name to score some points among local guys...

Guys, just can't understand, what you are thinking about when you marry 18-19yrs old??  It's a red flag itself! Anyhow, not going to judge you or anything here... Hope you'll have a great life with someone worthy by your side!

 

[Kvinna]

Frank,

You would do well to ignore the women from "antidate".  They have their own agenda which has nothing whatsoever to do with your welfare.  No point in arguing with them - it is a complete waste of time.  This board will not give you the "cheer leader" support you will find on P/L.  You might however get some more sensible advice here

 

I think you must be very thankful to Fiorella for her presence here on this board as well as other woman from FSU who spend their time trying to enlighten WM about Russian Women's perspective. Instead of gratitude we hear only insults...

You want to listen only sugary flattery and gawk at Russian hotties photos from magazine to feel yourselves such horny ... well it forces you to open your wallets but even doesn't provide you a love-making ... then you are crying here: why?

Because you didn't want to listen to us... The flatter lie is more exciting than the ugly truth

[Bruno]

This board will not give you the "cheer leader" support you will find on P/L.  You might however get some more sensible advice here

P/L , my first forum... and "cheer leader" support ??? I remember LP on these forum... what he have post was several time true but his words work like Buldozer...

And not always free to say what you think... sensure of moderator... i was stopping there when i have find these forum... if you will looser support, go to P/L but if you will the shocking true, stay here...

In anyway, several of the people here post on P/L or are tranfuge from these place... yep, you have forum for everybody... here, it is a little more hard that other but we are free ( almost )

[jb]

Let's talk about "scammers".

We usually name the scammer "Fat Yuri", it could just as easily be "Skinny Galina", the name is not important, but "Yuri" will do.

Yuri is a fisherman, he baits his hook with a nice fat worm, beautiful pictures of a great looking girl.  The "fish" is attracted, he circles and sniffs, but he may be worried about that shiny barbed thing at first glance.  Yuri knows he's fishing in big waters and there are hundreds of fish who will be interested in his worm.  He can be patient, success is just a matter of time.

The first e-mail arrives, the fish is giving the pretty worm a good hard look, it's a very enticing worm.

A little conversation is developed, a little mental foreplay is exchanged. That shiny barbed thing isn't all that dangerous, is it?

More e-mails and perhaps a phone call to a very feminine voice, and the worm appears to actually dance before the fish.  The fish is no longer concerned about how the worm got in the water in the first place, he's only interested in the fact that it's there.

E-mails become more intense, terms of endearment saturate the worm's letters, the fish has never seen a worm who tells him how much it wants to be eaten by the fish.  It's a fish dream come true.  The fish is a predator, he's had other worms before, but this worm is very special, it's so young, tender, and pretty.  Mesmerizing worms do this to all kinds of fish.

The fish makes his move and nibbles, the first taste is food for fantasy. So what if the fish has to expend some of his energy to catch this prize worm?  It's the most beautiful worm he's ever seen, and he has plenty of reserves stored up.  The fish is now willing to run to the Western Union to expend his energy, he just can't get that lovely worm out of his mind.  The hook is set.  Fat Yuri now plays the fish like the fat trout he is until he either the fish gets lucky and throws the hook, settles to the bottom to nurse a sore lip, or ends up in the frying pan.

Yuri has an interesting, fun, and profitable hobby, fishing is like that.  After all, there's lots of fishes in the sea.

[Fiorella]

[user=26]5150[/user] wrote:

BERFORE coming over here she demanded $7K "in case we get divorced & I have to come back I can have something." WHen we started to have problems the same figure came up but only it went up $1K. To top it off 12 days after arrival she had an affair. I am a music teacher & play in a band. She actually slept with one of my STUDENTS/ex friend & met with him at the place I PLAY AT. So when EVERYONE KNEW about it. She would tell all my "friends" she had been sleeping around since shortly after our marriage & she could not stay with one man. Of course I had hints of things what hurt was my "friends" did not fill me in on everything till after she left the country. Now everything is clear & makes sense but at the time I gave the benefit of the doubt. When I confronted the guy he admitted it & said SHE came on to him. Well it doesn't matter who initiated it, it happened. When she arrived she was ALREADY pregnant. Then tried to tell me it was mine. Of course I'm not THAT bad at math so I could figure it out. It's just I had chosen to IGNORE most of the red flags. I was just WAY too emotionally attached to her.
I finally decided to send her home when I found the guys phone # & checked my outgoing calls & she was trying to hook up with him again. Needless to say I approached the guy & he is going no where near her OR me at this time. Well she's in Ukraine so fat chance of that.
In any case there was deception from the start. All the way from lying about not smoking (she was an over a pack a day smoker) to many other things. Quite simply it sadly appears NOTHING was what I THOUGHT it was. Not sure exactly how MUCH was an act FROM THE START.
It's very difficult to talk about it but I don't want her to do it to anyone else. To make matters worse she told me she was changin her hair color & style which leads me to believe she will try to do this again.
I will be expecting a phone call claiming she is repentant & wants to get back together with me & has my child. She does NOT know I know as much as I do now. Quite simply my friends failed to tell me all this. They simply said "send her back. She's nice but he's not good for you." Of course THAT is simply not sufficient for me to send her back. After she left then they ALL spilt the beans on her. Drug use, blackmail you mail it all surfaced & NOT just with me. She tried to blackmail a friend of mine by threatening to tell his fiancee (Ukrainian from Kiev) things that woudl "tear them apart". He's the one who finally told me about the affair.

I am sorry for you Frank, is she ukrainian? Then I am sorry double. But if she is a whore and not a scammer. There is some difference, isn't it?

[Fiorella]

Don't know if she would get much of a chance of returning here if you reported her to the US Embassy, and immigration on what happened. I'm sure they would attach some red flags to her name, but then again she could just try and latch on to someone from another country.

If US embassy and immigration would take into consideration all complaints  from unhappy "sugar daddies" it would be their basical works that not leaves any time for another.

[Fiorella]

[user=26]5150[/user] wrote:

Also I'm NOT seeking revenge by any means. I'm NOT out to harm her. I want her to be happy but I also want her to be "nice". For whatever reason, probably just her youth she made MANY stupid decisions.

Not want to hurt her??? Then just drop her, forget her and let's her live her own life and make your life. May be she will be perfect wife for some other man.

[Fiorella]

Guys, just can't understand, what you are thinking about when you marry 18-19yrs old??  It's a red flag itself! Anyhow, not going to judge you or anything here... Hope you'll have a great life with someone worthy by your side! 

Who said they was thinking at all??? They was ruled by other head and they was blind.

[Turboguy]

Frank,

I have had a few times in my life that I have had women do some pretty rotten things and it really tore me up for quite a while.   It is tough when it happens but it is part of life and part of trying to love.

You are going to be pretty torn up inside for a while.  It will pass.  You know the old saying time heals all wounds.   The situation that really devistated me the most, I can now look back on and be thankful that it didn't work out.    I think it would not have stayed a happy relationship.    Time puts a new perspective on things.  

Truthfully, I don't think she was a scammer and I don't think she should be on a scammer list.    Ah, here is a gal that we can say is lower than trailer trash and not get in trouble.   The gal is immature, has no values,  has no sense of committment, is totally a user, is low classed, she is no better than a hooker, she just used you and tossed you away but she is not a scammer.

She asked you up front for some money for rebuilding her life.   She was honest with you about that, probably because she had no feelings for you and really just wanted to try out life in America.   Read the scammer stories and this is not what she did to you.   I know what it feels like to on one hand have the higher parts of you wishing her well and on the other hand to want to do something to get even a bit. 

For you to find peace, you have to just let it go.   Learn that she was just the wrong person for you.  Maybe it was the age difference, maybe she was just trash.  Doesn't matter.   It is over.  Belive me with her pregnant you got away lucky.  Very damn lucky.

Chill out, go get drunk, go get laid,  just pass some time till the pain lets up.  If you were really in love with her it will take 6 months.  It passes.  Someday you will look back on this and say it was the best thing that could have happened.

 

[START2]

Frank,

We're with you and try to help ease the pain but your pain will ease on  your terms . Here's  whatbothers me.  YOUR SO CALLED FRIENDS!!!!!!!! I'd be spending more time ditching there lousy arses than worry about a scam site. They BETRAYED you man!!

[5150]

I agree & I told them. ALl this could have been over 3 weeks earlier I wouldn't have spent 3 weeks trying to "save" something that just couldn't be. I also wouldn't have lost out on work & $$ etc. To do it AFTER the fact wel...Yes I am very po'd about it. I would have simply told them hey you might not like this but THIS is going on.