Spring 2007 photos

[Admin]

The fact that this poster didn't have to ask what the "A-D" crew was, tells us all we need to know.  It is a very interesting "coincidence" that suddenly four new RW appear and begin posting to attack posts here, some of which are very old.  I have yet to read any intro from them, a statement as to why they are researching this forum so extensively, or anything positive they have to say about anything that has been posted here.

While I welcome the opinions and experience of RW on this board, if the sole purpose is to disrupt and attack with no attempts at objectivity, then they are better off going back to the gripe sessions at A-D

No, they are not from AD.

I suppose we *should* take a moment to welcome the many new members that have joined in the past 3 days. A quick glance a few minutes ago puts that number at more than 50.

They are largely a group of RW who are, or were, married to AM. Their forum is larger than RWD in both post count and in number of members - just as AD is larger than RWD. I gather that they hold some very strong opinions, and it should be helpful for us to learn about those opinions - and to challenge them appropriately where we may disagree.

Welcome to you all!

- Dan

[mash]

dan whatever you research there using "google" is good enough for you. I have given you a warning. You are the site owner to hold the responsibility...

 Threats of legal action with no substantiation or basis.

[docetae]

mash,

You wrote: "why am I supposed to do your job?"

Nobody is asking you to do my job. You are the only one squawking about some perceived problem - and you imply there is criminal behavior. I merely want you to state, explicitly and unemotionally, the basis for your allegations.

We are quite respectful of the laws of the land, and of individual propriety.

I will provide you a few starting points so that you may conduct your research. Google these terms/phrases:

* Communications Decency Act
* Add "Good Samaritan" clause to that search
* DMCA - Digital Millennium Copyright Act
* Fair Use

Here are a couple of other concepts you should research as well:

* Abuse of Process
* Standing

Now, until you conduct your research and return with a well-reasoned argument to support your beliefs, you need to cease with these silly threats and feeble attempts at fear-mongering.

- Dan

There are something else called good taste and voyeurism. It seems that you prefer the second option. <sarcasm>When do you start the porn section ?</sarcasm>

ps: this is just a comment from common sense, Would you like to have your girlfriend/wife/daughter posted on a website with such comment ? Me no. I guess yourself too and many members here the same. You told yourself that you closed another topic because of current issues you have and you give your hand to bite with this one....

[Admin]

Oh - one other thing about our new group of members. They have been exceptionally interested in a few of our photo threads. This one (Spring 2007), Eduard's topic about "exotic women", and the sticky in the Married forum about "Posting Pictures of You and Your Lady."

What I have come to understand is they, as a group, are opposed to the posting of photos to the internet. Perhaps at their forum there is some sort of repression that prevents or discourages such posting, but that is not true here - and as a result, there has been a huge influx of new members to see our prolific photo posting practices at RWD.

Just FYI

- Dan

[Admin]

dan whatever you research there using "google" is good enough for you. I have given you a warning. You are the site owner to hold the responsibility...

mash,

And yet another threat.

Something I learned a VERY long time ago - when it comes to matters of a legal nature, a person that is serious does not bother with threats. They act.

As a result of your repeated threats with no substantiation, I am placing your account in Muted status indefinitely.

- Dan

[Admin]

There are something else called good taste and voyeurism. It seems that you prefer the second option. <sarcasm>When do you start the porn section ?</sarcasm>

ps: this is just a comment from common sense, Would you like to have your girlfriend/wife/daughter posted on a website with such comment ? Me no. I guess yourself too and many members here the same. You told yourself that you closed another topic because of current issues you have and you give your hand to bite with this one....

What some consider "voyeurism" others consider simple street photos. I am not taking a line either way. I will say that I see no nudity or eroticism. The example that apparently offended mash was one in which the author of those photos thought the female in the photos was intentionally seeking to increase the provocative style of her dress while in public. That author took photos of it, and made comment. Since the style of common dress depicted in the photos does seem different than what is common in other parts of the world, there is thematic value in their presentation.

- Dan

[BC]

What I have come to understand is they, as a group, are opposed to the posting of photos to the internet. Perhaps at their forum there is some sort of repression that prevents or discourages such posting, but that is not true here - and as a result, there has been a huge influx of new members to see our prolific photo posting practices at RWD.

Just FYI

- Dan

FWIW, good or bad, some of the views of these new members regarding posted photos are quite similar to those of my wife.

I wouldn't want someone taking photos of me walking down the street and posting them.. I am not a 'public figure' like Spears&Co. .

Just thoughts.





 

[ScottinCrimea]

If someone is taking photos of me and commenting on my sexiness, I wouldn't mind at all.   

[Jet]

And pictures attached! If you think this is a way to talk about women at "RWD" than me and a lot of other women who looked at it have a problem with it. Tell me if this is OK with you...Would you like somebody to do it with your wife?

OHH, but your friends DON'T have a problem to talk about women at "RWD" and post insulting ridicule at the other forum as some of you have done with my wife. Obviously THAT is OK with you!  Is it better when the photos and comments are in different places?

FWIW I didn't like it when somebody (berkeley1 & yourself) did it with my wife, and for you to bring up the argument here makes you a genuine hypocrite. As far as Liliya is concerned, she doesn't give a rat's @ss about what a few bitter judgmental harpies, who hide in the anonymous shadows of cyberspace, have to say about her, her choice of clothing style, or makeup preferences. You are not the type of people she would associate with in the real world anyway.

[Admin]

OHH, but your friends DON'T have a problem to talk about women at "RWD" and post insulting ridicule at the other forum as some of you have done with my wife. Obviously THAT is OK with you!  Is it better when the photos and comments are in different places?

FWIW I didn't like it when somebody (berkeley1 & yourself) did it with my wife, and for you to bring up the argument here makes you a genuine hypocrite. As far as Liliya is concerned, she doesn't give a rat's @ss about what a few bitter judgmental harpies, who hide in the anonymous shadows of cyberspace, have to say about her, her choice of clothing style, or makeup preferences. You are not the type of people she would associate with in the real world anyway.

Darn!

That was one of the things I was planning to roll out in the counterclaim.

Blatant hypocrisy, even more than hyperbole, has a tendency to have a polarizing affect on the enthusiasm of the judiciary.

- Dan

[Jet]

Maybe they're just jealous because Lil has been able to keep her shape after five years in the land of cheeseburgers, and they haven't been quite so successful 

[ScottinCrimea]

I guess they have been perusing the photos of sexy FSUW on this site and are upset that they don't find themselves there.   

[Admin]

I guess they have been perusing the photos of sexy FSUW on this site and are upset that they don't find themselves there.   

Actually, several of the new members have sent me PM's and they are quite gracious. I feel we will gain a number of new members who will be productive and terrific members of our community.

Just to put this in perspective.

- Dan

[ScottinCrimea]

Dan, I certainly hope that is the case, as the reasonable opinions of a RW are always valued here.  We can use the help.

[KenC]

FWIW, good or bad, some of the views of these new members regarding posted photos are quite similar to those of my wife.

I wouldn't want someone taking photos of me walking down the street and posting them.. I am not a 'public figure' like Spears&Co. .

Just thoughts.

BC,
I think you need to consider a few facts here.

#1 Jack posted this in the Trip Report section.  These are his collection of photos from his trip in 2007.  He is sharing with the membership what he thought was interesting enough to photograph.
#2 Most of the men here go to the fsu for the women.  As much as there is more to see and do, it is the women that we went for.  Jack is providing a very valuable service IMO.  He is showing the men here just what it is they are likely to see on their trips.  A glimpse of a day on the street in Ukraine is invaluable to those that have never been there.

I see nothing wrong with the photos Jack posted.
KenC

[BC]

BC,
I think you need to consider a few facts here.

#1 Jack posted this in the Trip Report section.  These are his collection of photos from his trip in 2007.  He is sharing with the membership what he thought was interesting enough to photograph.
#2 Most of the men here go to the fsu for the women.  As much as there is more to see and do, it is the women that we went for.  Jack is providing a very valuable service IMO.  He is showing the men here just what it is they are likely to see on their trips.  A glimpse of a day on the street in Ukraine is invaluable to those that have never been there.

I see nothing wrong with the photos Jack posted.
KenC

KenC,

My only real objection is that the women who get their photo's taken from  100 200 or even 300 meters away have not expressed any interest in international relationships, thus are truly irrelevant and even misleading in purpose, meant to entice but quite lacking as 'deliverables'.  They are clearly not interested otherwise follow up photo's would have been posted.

Pictures posted the of agency women in situ paint a very different picture.

[KenC]

KenC,

My only real objection is that the women who get their photo's taken from  100 200 or even 300 meters away have not expressed any interest in international relationships, thus are truly irrelevant and even misleading in purpose, meant to entice but quite lacking as 'deliverables'.  They are clearly not interested otherwise follow up photo's would have been posted.

Pictures posted the of agency women in situ paint a very different picture.

BC,
How can they be irrelevant or misleading when that is what Jack saw and photographed on his trip?
KenC

[BC]

KenC,

The difference is between business and pleasure.

Like day and night.

We've been there before, but my intent here is to state that I can certainly agree with the new members that seem to indicate that such is inappropriate without consent of the women involved.

Lacking 'fair use' by private individuals, when it comes to such with commercial posters only commercial voyeurism comes to mind..  Lets say an Eduard that is visually oriented instead of verbose.

As pictured, I can't see any difference at all between an Italian tight butt, a German tight butt and a FSU tight butt.

Upskirt next?

[Admin]

KenC,

The difference is between business and pleasure.

Like day and night.

We've been there before, but my intent here is to state that I can certainly agree with the new members that seem to indicate that such is inappropriate without consent of the women involved.

Lacking 'fair use' by private individuals, when it comes to such with commercial posters only commercial voyeurism comes to mind..  Lets say an Eduard that is visually oriented instead of verbose.

As pictured, I can't see any difference at all between an Italian tight butt, a German tight butt and a FSU tight butt.

Upskirt next?

Yeah, we *have* been down this road before. If memory serves, we even ran a poll on this at one time.

Here is how I look at it - and I fully admit, I may be wrong - AND - I vacillate on this, which is pretty strange for me as I usually don't have so much difficulty taking a direct line. Anyway . . .

>>The difference is between business and pleasure.<<

I think what you are saying is that because Jack owns an agency, these sorts of photos are used by Jack to promote his business.

You may be right. I don't know. It does strike me that it requires making an assumption as to his motives to draw that conclusion. I have difficulty making that assumption. Yes, Jack could be using these photos to help promote his business - and if that is his primary motive for posting them, that SHOULD receive intervention. OTOH, Jack could as easily simply be interested in photos of this sort, and is sharing them with RWD as he would share them with a friend. I have seen some of Jack's photo collection, and it *is* pretty extensive. He *does* have a great interest in photos of many things - people and scenes.

If Jack did not own an agency, would this be an issue?

You see, this raises the question about HOW an agency owner is to participate at RWD if their motivations - which could be read in any number of ways - are constantly interpreted as being self-serving - even when they are not.

And yes, your parallel to Eduard is a great one. Take a look at Eduard's profile - then compare and contrast it to Jack's. Any differences?

- Dan

[KenC]

KenC,

The difference is between business and pleasure.

Like day and night.

We've been there before, but my intent here is to state that I can certainly agree with the new members that seem to indicate that such is inappropriate without consent of the women involved.

Lacking 'fair use' by private individuals, when it comes to such with commercial posters only commercial voyeurism comes to mind..  Lets say an Eduard that is visually oriented instead of verbose.

As pictured, I can't see any difference at all between an Italian tight butt, a German tight butt and a FSU tight butt.

Upskirt next?

BC,
I see a big difference between Eduards posting of photos and Jacks posting here.  Eduard was posting random photos selected to entice a member to use his services.  Not that Jack's motives were much different, but his photos were of random women he came across in the streets of Ukraine.  The difference is between a calculated advertisement and the other more of photo journalism.  Why would someone not expect to see photos of Russian women on a Russian Women Discussion forum is beyond my comprehension.

Are you of the opinion that these photos are wrong because Jack is in the business?  Would it be OK if Denied came here and posted these?  Saying, hey guys, look at all the babes I saw in Kiev?  If you intend to stand by the legal argument that Jack didn't get every woman's permission, then anyone that posted a photo with a stranger in the background is guilty too.  There are some very fuzzy lines being drawn here at best.
KenC

(BTW, I guess there might be an Italian or German tight butt included if that were the subject of this forum, but they are not and so they were not included)

[ScottinCrimea]

No one has an issue with posting photos of works of art created by man, what's the problem with those created by God?   

[SANDRO43]

(BTW, I guess there might be an Italian or German tight butt included if that were the subject of this forum, but they are not and so they were not included)

I can cite exactly the tightest butt I ever saw in my life (sorry if I can provide photo evidence only for the location ):

- Location: Seagate Hotel, DelRay Beach (FL), swimming pool.
- Time: August, 1990.
- Owner: IBM Australia red-headed (she) fellow assignee to the Boca Raton Lab.

Seven years later, a fellow Tex-Mex IBMer who was also present, was still reminding me about it in Austin .

[marusya272]

The issue is clear: even though we truly believe that men seek real relationship when they go to fsu, it is upsetting to see how the same men see, take pictures, and discuss the same women on the message board. Kind of like pieces of meet at the market. I read other topics and I am surprised Ken is with the reporter here.

[Admin]

The issue is clear: even though we truly believe that men seek real relationship when they go to fsu, it is upsetting to see how the same men see, take pictures, and discuss the same women on the message board. Kind of like pieces of meet at the market. I read other topics and I am surprised Ken is with the reporter here.

marusya,

I have two questions for you:

1. Do women discuss men, and their physical attributes?

2. Does the forum from whence you came allow photos - and if so, are there restrictions?

- Dan

[marusya272]

marusya,

I have two questions for you:

1. Do women discuss men, and their physical attributes?

2. Does the forum from whence you came allow photos - and if so, are there restrictions?

- Dan

Nudity is possibly a restriction, not sure. I do not though recall a topic where russian women married to AM would take pictures of hot or not so hot men in the streets of this US and discuss the looks with sexual or funny context. Talk about mutual respect...?