I'm eager for your opinions

[justanotherguy]

AnnaFAB,

Thanks for posting..........can you please share with everyone
a list of mistakes that you think Western men make when visiting FSUW?
The one about looking at other women is an obvious one in ANY culure (as
you pointed out). How about some more. One thing I would note is how poorly
some men seem to dress and groom.....

Also, thanks for posting the reality that an FSUW cannot take a WM
serious until he goes to meet her. Men who think things are "serious" just
because they have exchanged some or even a lot of letters should take
note of this common sense reality.

Thanks in advance for adding to your list of common mistakes. AND to all
you FSUW out there PLEASE feel free to ALSO add to the list!!

additionally, did you speak fluent english or he russian?  If not, how did you deal with the communication difficulties?  Do FSUW ACTUALLY appreciate doors being opened and traditional male roles such as that?  Most AW quickly take it for granted, and some get offended by it lol. 

[WmGO]

Dude,
your quoting me but asking Anna a question - your
supposed to do it the other way around - quote her
and ask *her*.

[justanotherguy]

Dude,
your quoting me but asking Anna a question - your
supposed to do it the other way around - quote her
and ask *her*.

well, i was just adding to your list... in my defense I am posting via lynx.... a commandline web browser, and it makes the forums rather "interesting" to try to navigate. lol.

[Rvrwind]

Do FSUW ACTUALLY appreciate doors being opened and traditional male roles such as that?  Most AW quickly take it for granted, and some get offended by it lol.

Actually I can answer that & the answer is yes. RW appreciate the man being a gentleman & treating them with the proper courtisies.
I laughed at your last sentence as I recall getting slammed by a few CW's for being the gentleman. Its nice here to be appreciated for it, a welcome change.

Why would she tolerate that?

Why? Simple. He has all her contact info, phone, address everything. He can pass out her phone # & address to all the slime in town & they will hassle her no end. He is also a russian man with ties to some very powerful people. Many are afraid of him, I however am not. He is scum, plain & simple & I will deal with him in my own "gentlemanly" way.
He tends to forget I too have some very powerful friends, but he is about to be subtly reminded. Its in his favour he has his business in Russia because in the west he would have been in jail a long time ago, he knows it & I know it & that is why he stays here even though he could move to the US anytime he wants, as he lived there before.
Even AWeb has moved their offices to Moscow to avoid several lawsuits. It was that or close the doors & they didn't want to give up that fine revenue stream.
These are the kinds of people the men's money is keeping in business....

[justanotherguy]

Actually I can answer that & the answer is yes. RW appreciate the man being a gentleman & treating them with the proper courtisies.
I laughed at your last sentence as I recall getting slammed by a few CW's for being the gentleman. Its nice here to be appreciated for it, a welcome change.Why? Simple. He has all her contact info, phone, address everything. He can pass out her phone # & address to all the slime in town & they will hassle her no end. He is also a russian man with ties to some very powerful people. Many are afraid of him, I however am not. He is scum, plain & simple & I will deal with him in my own "gentlemanly" way.
He tends to forget I too have some very powerful friends, but he is about to be subtly reminded. Its in his favour he has his business in Russia because in the west he would have been in jail a long time ago, he knows it & I know it & that is why he stays here even though he could move to the US anytime he wants, as he lived there before.
Even AWeb has moved their offices to Moscow to avoid several lawsuits. It was that or close the doors & they didn't want to give up that fine revenue stream.
These are the kinds of people the men's money is keeping in business....

Well, as unfortunate as it is, you have to sift through the anastasia links in google to find agency that aren't affiliated so its easy to fall into using them at first until further research shows their true nature.

I hate being expected to fill the traditional male role if the girl isn't going to fill the traditional female role.  Explaining this to AW is a PITA.  I can go either route... I'm flexible... I can play traditional roles, or we can be true and absolute equal, but what I don't tolerate is AW picking and choosing the best of both worlds and rejecting the responsiblities of both.
I've never dated a single girl that could cook anything beyond toast   I've cooked all the meals in all my relationships.  Its as though anything traditionally feminine is an offense and attack on them. Grr.. i digress. 

[jb]

Its as though anything traditionally feminine is an offense and attack on them. Grr.. i digress.

And most of them are as easy as the TV Guide crossword puzzle.

[justanotherguy]

And most of them are as easy as the TV Guide crossword puzzle.

lol.  I just ended a long term relationship with an AW.  Don't get me started or I'll be labeled bitter and angry lol

[thedub]

Anna-

I'd really like to hear more about your experience.

Rvrwind basically said that a RW was physically threatened and harassed by an Anastasia-Web employee/agent.

Anna, please tell us more about your experience - because you clearly didn't have anything this drastic happen to you. As a matter of fact, it sounds like you didn't realize all the problems or frustrations that American men feel about this site. I doubt that's because you're dishonest - I'm sure A-Web (as a huge company) has lots of different employees/agents who behave in completely different ways.

Just wanna hear more from Anna on her perspective.

[Rvrwind]

I'm sure A-Web (as a huge company) has lots of different employees/agents who behave in completely different ways.

I'm sure they do but should not AWeb as the leader & head of the organization be held responsible for their affiliates & agents.
I know if I had affiliates under my banner they would tow the line & act as I would or they would be gone. Of course knowing the owners of AWeb they are just as crooked as their affiliates & their line is not even close to reaching mine. I do know that agents & these type of agencies hide as much as they can from the women, some find out & leave, others don't care but those are not women you would wish to marry either & many are never aware of how the agency is destroying & sabotaging their efforts.
BeHappys reputation in Tver is well known & not good, many people here despise Yaroslav for the scum that he is, but still there are those that are not aware & join, then it is too late.
I cannot blame Anna if she had a good experience with AWeb, I am quite positive many have, but I am also quite positive more have not & to continue using them & their affiliates only reinforces that what they do is okay, & to me that is plain wrong.
They also no full well what they are doing is wrong but being in Russia they will not be held accountable if they could be they wouldn't be here.

[thedub]

Richard-

It's clear to see that you work very hard and are a very dedicated and ethical businessman. That being said, look at all the aggressive language you use:

I'm sure they do but should not AWeb as the leader & head of the organization be held responsible for their affiliates & agents.
I know if I had affiliates under my banner they would tow the line & act as I would or they would be gone. Of course knowing the owners of AWeb they are just as crooked as their affiliates & their line is not even close to reaching mine. I do know that agents & these type of agencies hide as much as they can from the women, some find out & leave, others don't care but those are not women you would wish to marry either & many are never aware of how the agency is destroying & sabotaging their efforts.
BeHappys reputation in Tver is well known & not good, many people here despise Yaroslav for the scum that he is, but still there are those that are not aware & join, then it is too late.
I cannot blame Anna if she had a good experience with AWeb, I am quite positive many have, but I am also quite positive more have not & to continue using them & their affiliates only reinforces that what they do is okay, & to me that is plain wrong.
They also no full well what they are doing is wrong but being in Russia they will not be held accountable if they could be they wouldn't be here.

I'm a newbie who's been on here for 2 posts. Anna is new as well. And justanotherguy is new as well. This discussion is clearly taking place on the "Starting Out" discussion thread. That thread's description is "Where the only bad question is to not ask a question" - So, please, learn to be more discriminating about your posts! Don't get so angry and defensive. I was continuing a vein of discussion in order to understand more about what Anna (and any other RW) experienced at A-Web. I didn't and don't want to get into an argument with you about the nature of justice and ethics in a global economy. I want to learn about all agencies so that I can make appropriate purchasing (membership) decisions. And it would help me (and others) to hear Anna's perspective.

Like I said, Richard, I'm so glad you're doing a good job and take your work so seriously. That's really great. But please recognize that to hear things from all perspectives is the hallmark of informed choices and paves the way for good decision-making.

All that being said, I'd like to hear more about anyone's experiences from inside the FSU on being an Anastasia lady.

Because, like justanotherguy, I'm wondering if I can use A-Web to meet a girl and then move the conversation quickly back to her local agency.

And to preclude angry speculation on "Why would you ever want to use that *&@#^!* agency when they have so many bad violations alaready?"... my answer is simple: they have such a huge selection, and a few girls that I'm interested in are ONLY on their site. And I'm just being smart about this: it sounds like it's possible to use A-Web to meet a few ladies... I just want to formulate a smart gameplan before I spend any $ there.

And BTW, Richard - I'm going to be spending money at some agencies and I'm feeling reluctant about yours if you keep behaving so aggressively and out-of-place. Like I said, this is a "Starting Out" string: if a veteran like you is going to post here, do it with a little more tact and warm-heartedness.

[justanotherguy]

I'm sure they do but should not AWeb as the leader & head of the organization be held responsible for their affiliates & agents.
I know if I had affiliates under my banner they would tow the line & act as I would or they would be gone. Of course knowing the owners of AWeb they are just as crooked as their affiliates & their line is not even close to reaching mine. I do know that agents & these type of agencies hide as much as they can from the women, some find out & leave, others don't care but those are not women you would wish to marry either & many are never aware of how the agency is destroying & sabotaging their efforts.
BeHappys reputation in Tver is well known & not good, many people here despise Yaroslav for the scum that he is, but still there are those that are not aware & join, then it is too late.
I cannot blame Anna if she had a good experience with AWeb, I am quite positive many have, but I am also quite positive more have not & to continue using them & their affiliates only reinforces that what they do is okay, & to me that is plain wrong.
They also no full well what they are doing is wrong but being in Russia they will not be held accountable if they could be they wouldn't be here.

On an unrelated note, how do people deal with the language barrier?  Communciation is of course very important... but having a translator on my coat tails seems so... un romantic, and I think I'd have a hard time relaxing and acting normal with a translator sitting between me and the girl

[KenC]

On an unrelated note, how do people deal with the language barrier?  Communciation is of course very important... but having a translator on my coat tails seems so... un romantic, and I think I'd have a hard time relaxing and acting normal with a translator sitting between me and the girl

JAG,
Simple answer is to begin relations with women that have some level of English.  I met a few RW with no English abilities and you are correct, it is very awkward.
KenC

[justanotherguy]

JAG,
Simple answer is to begin relations with women that have some level of English.  I met a few RW with no English abilities and you are correct, it is very awkward.
KenC

the only one i'm talking to now say she wants to take lessons next summer when her schedule allows but can communicate in english.  I'm trying to learn russian.. I'm a smart guy, I think I can learn enough to communicate crudely in 6 months time.

[KenC]

the only one i'm talking to now say she wants to take lessons next summer when her schedule allows but can communicate in english.  I'm trying to learn russian.. I'm a smart guy, I think I can learn enough to communicate crudely in 6 months time.

JAG,
That is a good start.  IMO you cannot have a "relatioship" without communication.  You show very good initiative in learnig some Russian.  It will impress the girls!
KenC

[ScottinCrimea]

the only one i'm talking to now say she wants to take lessons next summer when her schedule allows but can communicate in english.  I'm trying to learn russian.. I'm a smart guy, I think I can learn enough to communicate crudely in 6 months time.

I'm a smart guy too, but after living in Ukraine for two years, I barely communicate "crudely" - certainly not enough to develop a meaningful relationship.  I honestly can't imagine how I could have come to know my wife well enough to marry her if she hadn't known English very well.  As committed as you may be to learning Russian, if your lady isn't VERY committed to learning English, it just ain't gonna happen.

We've debated endlessly here whether or not to pursue only English speaking ladies, and I definitely don't want to dig that up again, but I think even those who feel it's okay to date non-Engilsh speaking women agree that it's doomed if her commitment to learn isn't there.

[justanotherguy]

I'm a smart guy too, but after living in Ukraine for two years, I barely communicate "crudely" - certainly not enough to develop a meaningful relationship.  I honestly can't imagine how I could have come to know my wife well enough to marry her if she hadn't known English very well.  As committed as you may be to learning Russian, if your lady isn't VERY committed to learning English, it just ain't gonna happen.

We've debated endlessly here whether or not to pursue only English speaking ladies, and I definitely don't want to dig that up again, but I think even those who feel it's okay to date non-Engilsh speaking women agree that it's doomed if her commitment to learn isn't there.

I would agree with that

There's no motivator like necessity

[Aquarius Sun]

I am brand new to this site and am just starting on this journey.  My search led me to globalladies.com and club10 and I've had a number of email exchanges in the first week (like I said... I am brand new at this!)  I also read on this forum that one should not use agencies for very long.  All of which leaves me confused!     What is the best way to start out?  What are the reliable web sites?  When should one use or not use an agency?  I'll stop there and see if I can get some useful replies.  And thank you for taking the time to reply!

[Turboguy]

I am well acquainted with Global ladies and even know one of the owners.  Club 10 is new to me but I have a feeling it is on the same order.

My first suggestion is to google the following  "Global Ladies + scam"  I think what you see will be far better than me just telling you about my impressions of Global Ladies or its sister sites.

There are a lot of good discussions about good agencies and sites.   I would suggest the first step for you is to do a lot of reading here where you can get help from guys who are wearing the same shoes and have nothing to gain but just like to help people. 

The next steps would be to decide what methods of meeting women feel comfortable for you and to find some good ethical agencies or sites to work with.   Places like Elena's Models or Bride.ru or even if you want to do it for free freepersonals.ru.    Or if you want to work with agencies, Kherson Girls, Tver Angels or lots more. 


Good luck and as you get more questions feel free to ask.  You may not always like the answers but they will be given to help you succeed.

[Gator]

thedub wrote,

and a few girls that I'm interested in are ONLY on their (AWeb)

Please tell me what is so particularly enticing about a few women you can not find at other agencies.  BTW, there are many, many women who can not be found AWeb. 

So there are few women at Aweb who have caught your attention.  Do you know if they are real?  If real, are they sincerely interested in meeting men?  If sincere, would they be sincere about you in particular?  Just because you get a beautiful letter from a woman does not mean that she wrote it or even knew about you.

I'm just being smart about this: it sounds like it's possible to use A-Web to meet a few ladies... I just want to formulate a smart gameplan before I spend any $ there.

If you are interested in spending your money wisely, do not use AWeb.   You may find gold there, but the risk is too high.

My initial guess is that you need someone such as Richard (and there are a few other personal service agencies who are just as reputable).   Richard will guide you and explain each step of your endeavor.

If you feel confident to take a trip without on-ground support, I suggest you use Elena’s models.  That site provides info regarding the sincerity of each woman.

No offense intended, however, if you find Richard’s quoted words as  "aggressive", you will probably not do well with this overall endeavor. 

[groovlstk]

And to preclude angry speculation on "Why would you ever want to use that *&@#^!* agency when they have so many bad violations alaready?"... my answer is simple: they have such a huge selection, and a few girls that I'm interested in are ONLY on their site. And I'm just being smart about this: it sounds like it's possible to use A-Web to meet a few ladies... I just want to formulate a smart gameplan before I spend any $ there.

Dude, you need to get away from your computer and travel to Russia or Ukraine. The photos of the women you're "interested" in are done by professionals; if (and that's a big 'if') you actually meet any of these girls chances are in person they are quite a bit different from their photos, and upon first glance you will be disappointed since you seem to place so much stock in their looks. You're making a traditional newby mistake by becoming infatuated with photos. (And please, don't try to convince me that you're interested in these girls' profiles or that you share so many common interests--save that rationalization for your female friends and gender studies professor). Don't mean to sound harsh, but I've been there, done that, by way of meeting dozens of FSU women on their home turf through agencies, free personals, and other methods. I'd guess that 90% were quite a bit different than their photos, the upside were the 10% (including my wife) who sent me normal, everyday photos made by friends and family and actually looked even more beautiful in person.

Regardless, if your highest criteria in looking for a wife is her beauty, you're in for a long, hard, and painful search. The truly beautiful FSU women are courted by wealthy Russian men who can give them the life they want without separating them from their families, so why would she be interested in a foreign guy like you?

[KenC]

I am brand new to this site and am just starting on this journey.  My search led me to globalladies.com and club10 and I've had a number of email exchanges in the first week (like I said... I am brand new at this!)  I also read on this forum that one should not use agencies for very long.  All of which leaves me confused!     What is the best way to start out?  What are the reliable web sites?  When should one use or not use an agency?  I'll stop there and see if I can get some useful replies.  And thank you for taking the time to reply!

Aquarius,
I think you are confusing two different ideas here.  Most here suggest that you do not correspond with a woman for an indefinite period of time before you go to visit her with 3 to 6 months being the optimum.  Some basics first though.

Read the FAQS section on the sign in screen (upper left corner) so you will understand what it is you are getting yourself in to.

Make yourself familiar with the suggested agencies and their websites (It is OK to look at the pictures too )

Make a plan of action which would include, when you can go to the fsu, what are you looking for in a future wife, what you have to offer to this woman and how you will find her.

Ask a lot of questions here and make sure you understand the qualifications of the members that answer them.

Good luck.
KenC

[justanotherguy]

Dude, you need to get away from your computer and travel to Russia or Ukraine. The photos of the women you're "interested" in are done by professionals; if (and that's a big 'if') you actually meet any of these girls chances are in person they are quite a bit different from their photos, and upon first glance you will be disappointed since you seem to place so much stock in their looks. You're making a traditional newby mistake by becoming infatuated with photos. (And please, don't try to convince me that you're interested in these girls' profiles or that you share so many common interests--save that rationalization for your female friends and gender studies professor). Don't mean to sound harsh, but I've been there, done that, by way of meeting dozens of FSU women on their home turf through agencies, free personals, and other methods. I'd guess that 90% were quite a bit different than their photos, the upside were the 10% (including my wife) who sent me normal, everyday photos made by friends and family and actually looked even more beautiful in person.

Regardless, if your highest criteria in looking for a wife is her beauty, you're in for a long, hard, and painful search. The truly beautiful FSU women are courted by wealthy Russian men who can give them the life they want without separating them from their families, so why would she be interested in a foreign guy like you?

The truly beautiful women are courted by wealthy russian men?  isn't that kind of like saying the desirable women don't marry abroad and to aim for the less-than-desirables?  Thats not very encouraging.

[groovlstk]

The truly beautiful women are courted by wealthy russian men?  isn't that kind of like saying the desirable women don't marry abroad and to aim for the less-than-desirables?  Thats not very encouraging.

Is your definition of "desirable women" limited to FSU females who, upon appearance alone, rate a 9 or 10? 

If so, you've answered your own question.

[Misha]

The truly beautiful women are courted by wealthy russian men?  isn't that kind of like saying the desirable women don't marry abroad and to aim for the less-than-desirables?  Thats not very encouraging.

That's called life which ain't always fair 

[Gator]

JAG,

What is so undesirable about a woman who is:

-  Better looking than the American women who will date you twice.
-  Is well educated, has a strong work ethic, and does not feel entitled.
-  Has solid family values.
-  Would make a splendid life partner if you treated her nicely.
-  Shares many of your interests.



If you seek only a "10", be aware that they too can be just as spoiled as their American counterparts from all the attention they receive from Russian men and European men. 

There are some remarkably beautiful women who are interested in meeting foreign men with a strong game.  "Interested" is a long way from "being committed to marry a foreign man."   One may actually meet you for tea or an evening dinner.  The next day she may not answer your phone call.