Where's Turbo?

[viking]

JB

Just as an FYI. The woman I have met, several times, and whom I am in constant contact with, has LESS than a 15 age difference with me. You know I respect you opinions, but you need to leave me out of any discussions comparing me with Turbo. (Other than we are both nice guys)  Two different men with two different mindsets. You know my past. And even that woman had only a 20 year spread. I have never sought a much younger woman. Not what I am looking for.

Please focus on my post. I just think the high road for you here is to wish him good luck.

[Kuna]

mspanky,
There is a lot of history here and on other forums with Turbo.  Afterall it took him 10 years to convince a RW to marry him!

Needless to say that over time many have been able to get a little better glimpse into "Turboworld."  The fact that he choose to pursue a woman almost 40 years younger is controversial, of course, but also a personal decision that the two of them will have to sort out.  I kind of live in a glass house when it comes to age differences with mine at 25, but there have been many occasions when Turbo's words just have not rung true.  He will say that he did not pursue a woman so young, yet his track record proves otherwise.  His last fiancee was in her early 30's IIRC and he ran like hell from a group of RW he met that were in their 40's.  I guess 25 years difference just didn't cut it.  He has consistently claimed that the age difference will not be a problem, with little or no real facts to back up his opinion.  But what the hey, good luck and God bless if he and VWRW can make it work for them.

Turbo is the ultimate "nice guy" and has taken more flak than most and with little or no retrobution.  In his efforts to be the nice guy, he has given some of the most inane and bad advice I have ever witnessed here on RWD.  He would rather tell someone what it is they want to hear rather than to try and lead them to the correct path of action (or at least a path that has been proven to be successful).  His posts are almost incoherent at times with one sentence directly contradicting another.  I am probably one of his harshest critics because I fear for the poor newbie that he might encourage into stupid and illogical actions by his "rah rah, you can do it!" posts.  There is also a history of men who failed miserably based on Turbo's encouraging words to take a foolish course of action.

That being said, I sincerely hope that Turbo and VWRW have found true love and happiness.  I wish them no ill will.  The point of no turning back will soon be upon them and I do hope they defy the long odds they face.  Time will tell.
KenC

Ken,

My sentiments exactly... an excellent and balanced post.

I too wish them well but I hope everyone sees his 10 year journey to a very slippery slope as an example of what NOT to do.

I hope he has good traction on those Walmart shoes!

I also hope Turbo gets that damn bathroom renovated so two people can fit in the shower at one time!   

Kuna

[Mir]

even that woman had only a 20 year spread.

Only 20 years
I suppose everything is relative, so in the context of the discussion on this threat 15-20 year age gap is considered minute.

Maybe TG meant it was his turn under the shower, you know it is hard for two people to fit under the shower at the same time so one is under it while the other gets soaped, or posts on internet etc. and then they swap.

[Kuna]

Only 20 years
I suppose everything is relative, so in the context of the discussion on this threat 15-20 year age gap is considered minute.

Maybe TG meant it was his turn under the shower, you know it is hard for two people to fit under the shower at the same time so one is under it while the other gets soaped, or posts on internet etc. and then they swap.

mir,

A REAL shower fits two comfortably and has two shower heads.  Bugger the environment when it comes to maintaining harmony in a relationship.   

Kuna

[Bruce]

Ken, excellent post.  I have to pick a bit at the following sentence because though in a sense it does apply to both of them ie. marriage I sincerely feel it only applies to Turboguy because he will have to pick up the emotional and financial pieces:

"The point of no turning back will soon be upon them and I do hope they defy the long odds they face."

From everything I have read about VWRW she long ago carefully and then openly stated her calculating plans.  The backwaters of Siberia can not hold her ambitions, nor can she con a rich old Russian guy to help her achieve her goals in Russia ie. a pretty young girl with ambitions is but a dime a dozen in Russia to be used and discarded when decided.  She wanted a rich old guy who dotes on her, mentors her and sets her up in business.  Long ago, she set her sights on the USA.  She even had a taste of what she would get, but her last guy just could not provide enough of a path for her so she got scared and ran back to cast her net once more.  After she achieves her goals, who knows.  Turbo gets youth fulfilled along with hopefully the best consistent sex he ever has had in his life.  VWRW probably will find that in order for her to achieve her goals, more is entailed than she planned.  Turbo will eventually become her crutch and she will be loathe without him.  Therefore, there is long term hope for their future together.  The details may seal the bargain.

I do sincerely wish the both of them well TOGETHER and hope for the best.  Life is short.  "The best revenge is living well!"

[Turboguy]

Good morning everyone.   It is always nice to start a day with a good laugh. 

Well, let's see.  When I get the remodeling done we can think about showers for two.   Right now with no running water or electric we have to take turns heating the water over the campfire and dumping it into the top bucket with the holes on the bottom. 

Vaughn may get his wish and have another exciting age gap thread.

mspanky,
There is a lot of history here and on other forums with Turbo.  Afterall it took him 10 years to convince a RW to marry him!

It just goes to show that persistence does pay and that there is hope for everyone. 

Needless to say that over time many have been able to get a little better glimpse into "Turboworld."  The fact that he choose to pursue a woman almost 40 years younger is controversial, of course, but also a personal decision that the two of them will have to sort out.  I kind of live in a glass house when it comes to age differences with mine at 25, but there have been many occasions when Turbo's words just have not rung true.  He will say that he did not pursue a woman so young, yet his track record proves otherwise.  His last fiancee was in her early 30's IIRC and he ran like hell from a group of RW he met that were in their 40's.  I guess "only" 25 years difference just didn't cut it.   He has consistently claimed that the age difference will not be a problem, with little or no real facts to back up his opinion.  But what the hey, good luck and God bless if he and VWRW can make it work for them.

Sorry to repeat what I have probably said a few dozen times in other threads.   I just look at age as a less important factor than others do.   I definitely did not go running from the one's I met on Jack's tour because of their age.   I did not go running from them at all, I just happened to start falling in love with VWRW about that time.   If VWRW had not been on the scene the one that would have likely been my top choice spoke no English so we could be talking about that instead of age.   My second choice would have been one the same age as VWRW
Some of the gals I met with serious intentions on my early trips to the FSU would now be pushing 50.

That being said, I sincerely hope that Turbo and VWRW have found true love and happiness.  I wish them no ill will.  The point of no turning back will soon be upon them and I do hope they defy the long odds they face.  Time will tell.
KenC

Thanks for the good wishes Ken.   I think any points were there were going to be any decisions were long ago and you are right.  Time will give the answers and we won't know for a long time.   Picking up the pieces that Bruce talked about is a risk in any relationship.

From everything I have read about VWRW she long ago carefully and then openly stated her calculating plans.  The backwaters of Siberia can not hold her ambitions, nor can she con a rich old Russian guy to help her achieve her goals in Russia ie. a pretty young girl with ambitions is but a dime a dozen in Russia to be used and discarded when decided.  She wanted a rich old guy who dotes on her, mentors her and sets her up in business.  Long ago, she set her sights on the USA.  She even had a taste of what she would get, but her last guy just could not provide enough of a path for her so she got scared and ran back to cast her net once more.  After she achieves her goals, who knows.  Turbo gets youth fulfilled along with hopefully the best consistent sex he ever has had in his life.  VWRW probably will find that in order for her to achieve her goals, more is entailed than she planned.  Turbo will eventually become her crutch and she will be loathe without him.  Therefore, there is long term hope for their future together.  The details may seal the bargain.

I do sincerely wish the both of them well TOGETHER and hope for the best.  Life is short.  "The best revenge is living well!"

Yep,  She debated about taking over Gazprom or Lukoil and decided here she could set her sails on taking over Microsoft or some other companies that were more interesting then dirty old energy companies.   Meanwhile I was sitting here in my vault with mountains of $ 10,000.00 bills piled all around me upset that windows on my computer keeps freezing up and decided finding someone capable of a takeover and putting Mr Gates out in the cold would be great revenge.   An absolutely perfect arrangement that can't fail.

A REAL shower fits two comfortably and has two shower heads.  Bugger the environment when it comes to maintaining harmony in a relationship.  
Kuna

Confucius say:  Man with two heads will have twice as many headaches.

[BC]

It just goes to show that persistence does pay and that there is hope for everyone. 

My tip is that around +200 K allowed a lot of hope and persistence over 10 years.

I did not go running from them at all, I just happened to start falling in love with VWRW about that time.

Fall in  love with a picture?

In any case I wish you the best for whatever lies ahead.

[Mir]

I thought every man has two heads

God these Russians

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/business/5207690.html

[Gator]

RWD etiquette differs from the decorum of a polite society.  Namely, at RWD it is customary to criticize the couple and then wish them well.   

The only reason that everyone can jump into this is because Turbo is open, honest if not self-deprecating.  He and VWRW have revealed much about themselves.  I imagine there are many silent men here who are also involved with RW in which the scales are tilted severely.   These men may not have the burden of an advanced age, but it could be many other things that I will not mention.

What is important is that Turbo and VWRW enjoy each other and build a life together.  If they are happy, there is no need to criticize them.  I defy anyone to judge their happiness unless you have spent hours with them in person.

Again Turbo and VWRW, I wish you the best.  I know you are a prudent spender, so why not save some money and install in your shower some of those turbo-powered lawn sprinklers you sell.   A massage shower. 

[Simoni]

Nice post, Bucky.

[BC]

RWD etiquette differs from the decorum of a polite society.  Namely, at RWD it is customary to criticize the couple and then wish them well.   

The only reason that everyone can jump into this is because Turbo is open, honest if not self-deprecating.  He and VWRW have revealed much about themselves.  I imagine there are many silent men here who are also involved with RW in which the scales are tilted severely.   These men may not have the burden of an advanced age, but it could be many other things that I will not mention.

Gator,

Being in a relationship with a 17 year spread I can only say that I should be the last one to be passing out critique.. - based on my humble experience I realize though that it would have simply been too much for us adding a couple of years on top.  That is the message I have always shared.

Regarding Turbo and VW, the age difference per se is probably the least irritating factor involved.. Quite honestly, it is the inconsistencies that seem to affect how folks perceive Turbo and VW the most.  I do not possess a photographic memory, but still rather often end up quite puzzled with some of his (their) posts..

Read the following quote from this thread and then compare it to the original version a while back after the 'Turboguy/Dude Social Tour..

Good morning everyone.   It is always nice to start a day with a good laugh. 
...

It just goes to show that persistence does pay and that there is hope for everyone. 
Sorry to repeat what I have probably said a few dozen times in other threads.   I just look at age as a less important factor than others do.   I definitely did not go running from the one's I met on Jack's tour because of their age.   I did not go running from them at all, I just happened to start falling in love with VWRW about that time.   If VWRW had not been on the scene the one that would have likely been my top choice spoke no English so we could be talking about that instead of age.   My second choice would have been one the same age as VWRW

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=2698.msg52859#msg52859

Right now the one I see as my top choice of all the gals is Barnaul .   Once I get back from that trip i will make a decision.  If Barnaul is in person what she is in letters that may well be my final choice and I may not make any more follow up trips.   Otherwise I may go back the same time my son does and visit the one I called the nose, one from Kharkov that I think I missed in my TR, and spend more time in Kiev with the two I met there and maybe meet one other new one in Kiev that I really wanted to meet but did not have the time.   It is also possible I will try to make a trip to Vladivistock in December.   

I dunno... When such inconsistencies repeatedly arise and are brought up for discussion, the response is usually 'It was a just a joke..'  or 'I didn't mean it that way..' or something similar.. 

It simply makes me (and likely others) wonder about the sincerity of what is being reported..  -and who the 'laughs' are really on..

I sincerely do wish them well, without reservation, but would appreciate it, that if they do decide to share (and I hope they continue), that the slippery icing be left off the cake lest others break their necks. 

[Rvrwind]

I too wish them well but I hope everyone sees his 10 year journey to a very slippery slope as an example of what NOT to do.

I disagree with this ...I was searching for 17 years before I found the right one.
I do think the amount of time spent in the pursuit is relevant to the outcome, the more you meet, the more you put into it, the better your knowledge & the chance for success when you do make the final call.
I too have crutizised large age gap relationships, but really mine is a 17 year difference & many would consider that to be excessive. So I really don't think it is my place to critizize Turbo's.
As my Grandpappy used to say "The proof is in the pudding!!"

[Mir]

Isn't VWRW from Barnaul? If yes she will be the one called Barnaul in the post (I don't think anyone knows her real name).
So where is the inconsistency?

[vwrw]

One more thread about Turbo and me! Wonderful!!!
It is so much flattering me that some members frequently take their time to think about Turbo and me, to make assumption regarding Turbo’s past and mine, to predict our future.  Please, continue doing all those…it is a lot of amusement to read your assumptions and speculations! 

[vwrw]

:noidea:

You takes turns in the shower???

Hmmm....  maybe age DOES make a difference?

 

One more wrong assumption…although I am not surprised…it is usual for people with deficiency of comprehension skills to live in misconceptions.

I think only person obsessed by thinking about age could suppose that taking shower separated is connected with age.

Does the idea that taking shower separated/together is simply matter of taste ever come to what is between your ears, to the place where most people have their brains?   

[vwrw]

From KenC: There is a lot of history here and on other forums with Turbo.  Afterall it took him 10 years to convince a RW to marry him!

vwrw:  KenC, you become boring as a broken toy in your attempts to pull Turbo down. Turbo could be married for 9 years IF he was in desperation to marry the first young woman like YOU DID.
KenC, please memorize once and forever…any oneweekwonder, who is in more deep desperation than you were,can manage to convince a FSU woman to marry him more quickly that you did.

From KenC: Turbo is the ultimate "nice guy" and has taken more flak than most and with little or no retrobution.  In his efforts to be the nice guy, he has given some of the most inane and bad advice I have ever witnessed here on RWD.

vwrw: Many years ago Энштэйн said: ‘All things are relative”. KenC, what is bad advice for one guy, the same advice may be good for another guy.
For example: “Age should be less important factor than other factors”…It is good advice for men with similar combination of good qualities as Turbo has…and it is bad advice for men who have nothing attractive in their personalities and lives to keep any women beside them.
So, next time when you tell that Turbo’s advices are bad, you should add they are bad for men with characters as you have. 
 

[KenC]

From KenC: There is a lot of history here and on other forums with Turbo.  Afterall it took him 10 years to convince a RW to marry him!

vwrw:  KenC, you become boring as a broken toy in your attempts to pull Turbo down. Turbo could be married for 9 years IF he was in desperation to marry the first young woman like YOU DID.
KenC, please memorize once and forever…any oneweekwonder, who is in more deep desperation than you were,can manage to convince a FSU woman to marry him more quickly that you did.

That is rich, VWRW, me a one week wonder.  First off, my comment was meant in humor (notice the laughing emoticon)    Secondly, even though I did meet Lena first, I did meet others and never even proposed while she was in Russia.  (She didn't need to be baited with promises of marriage and business opportunities like some)  After a follow up trip, Lena and I lived together many months in America before wedding.  Hardly a one week wonder.

From KenC: Turbo is the ultimate "nice guy" and has taken more flak than most and with little or no retrobution.  In his efforts to be the nice guy, he has given some of the most inane and bad advice I have ever witnessed here on RWD.

vwrw: Many years ago Энштэйн said: ‘All things are relative”. KenC, what is bad advice for one guy, the same advice may be good for another guy.
For example: “Age should be less important factor than other factors”…It is good advice for men with similar combination of good qualities as Turbo has…and it is bad advice for men who have nothing attractive in their personalities and lives to keep any women beside them.
So, next time when you tell that Turbo’s advices are bad, you should add they are bad for men with characters as you have. 

All things are relative to success and failure.  Get back to me on your eighth wedding anniversary, OK?
KenC

[KenC]

I disagree with this ...I was searching for 17 years before I found the right one.
I do think the amount of time spent in the pursuit is relevant to the outcome, the more you meet, the more you put into it, the better your knowledge & the chance for success when you do make the final call.
I too have crutizised large age gap relationships, but really mine is a 17 year difference & many would consider that to be excessive. So I really don't think it is my place to critizize Turbo's.
As my Grandpappy used to say "The proof is in the pudding!!"

Richard,
How many men would enter into this venture if they thought it was a 10 year commitment?  If your 17 years searching were all in Russia, I too would think you were an idiot or at the very least, not sincerely searching.  I would go on and venture to say that any man that needs 10 years to find a suitable mate is: using the wrong methods, has a criteria that is absurd, not very serious, has some serious mental issues or some combination of all.
KenC

[timothe]

Maybe I should start another thread for this topic, but I ran into a number of guys in Kiev looking for love and with the exception of George, these guys were bottom of the barrel type personalities.  It seems to me that the participants on both sides have lowered in quality since my last trip in 2003.  I met people similar to the men I met in Kiev at Jack's picnic last year.  A number of them seemed to be engaged in Ron Woody's "wish fulfillment".  I guess I shouldn't judge these men, but first impressions tell me that many of them are in for a rude awakening.

The guy I met in baggage claim was particularly pathetic.  Evidently, he had visited this woman in Kiev once 18 months ago and had been sending her money ever since.  But he never thought to ask her if she wanted to get married, yet was lamenting to me about how this woman was cold fish when he saw her the second time.  I stayed a small distance away from the guy because I thought a big Milwaukee's best can was going to fall on his head momentarily.   :selfharm:

But I digress.  What I meant to imply in this thread is that Turbo doesn't seem nearly as clueless as these other guys.  I think he knows what he's getting into and in addition, I think the harm he can cause newbies by his so called "bad advice" is negligible.  Last I recall, the guys that are doing this are old enough to drink.  They should be old enough to think for themselves as well.  *shrug*

[KenC]

RWD etiquette differs from the decorum of a polite society.  Namely, at RWD it is customary to criticize the couple and then wish them well.   

Gator,
I for one see a distinct difference between the criticisms and the well wishes.  Just because I am critical of Turbo's methods, criteria, endless bad advice to others and his unending BS justifications of his actions, does not mean I do not sincerely wish him well.  As stated, with all his faults, Turbo is still a nice man and I certainly do not wish him any ill will.  The amount of respect or disrespect for one's actions and motivations has nothing to do with human kindness and all about logic and experience.  I have witnessed others that seemed to do everything wrong and still come up smelling roses.  The odds are very long but I hope for the best for Turbo.  Even a blind squirrel will find a nut on occasion.  Not likely, but it does happen.
KenC

[Turboguy]

Gator,

Being in a relationship with a 17 year spread I can only say that I should be the last one to be passing out critique.. - based on my humble experience I realize though that it would have simply been too much for us adding a couple of years on top.  That is the message I have always shared.

This is one of the things I always get curious about and never seem to get answers to.  Why do you feel more would have been too much.   I am just wondering since the age difference seems to cause no problems for VWRW & I.  

Regarding Turbo and VW, the age difference per se is probably the least irritating factor involved.. Quite honestly, it is the inconsistencies that seem to affect how folks perceive Turbo and VW the most. 

Sorry BC but where do you see any inconsistencies at all.   VWRW is from Barnaul and the woman I was talking about.   We had daily correspondence that showed me the qualities that made her special to me but as is advised here I was not about to fall in love with photos or letters and was waiting until we met to see how things went in person.   Had that meeting not gone well I would have returned to Ukraine and spent more time with two women I met on Jack's tour.  The meeting with VWRW was everything I hoped for an more and I stopped my search.   My actions and words were as consistant as anything could be.

[Turboguy]

Ken, I find it laughable that you don't think finding someone like Lena on your first trip is not like a blind squirrel finding an acorn.   Sometimes your comments show your inexperience with the processes for finding a good RW.


Tim,  My impressions are that for the most part the quality of the guys in the search have improved a lot.   I do have to temper that with the knowledge that the guys I encounter are from different sources than they used to be.   For example the guys I met on Jack's tour were head and shoulders better than the guys I met on my three EC tours.   I see a lot of new guys introduce themselves here that seem like good guys.  Some of the ones that I have met in hotels, airports and internet cafes there seem to have far less quality.  I have to think guys who care to join RWD and learn and try to do things right are higher quality than guys who get fixated on the physical and go over blind or with a sleazy agency.

[Mir]

So any old rich men for this young lassie?:

http://www.marry-an-ugly-millionaire-online-dating-agency.com/beautiful-women-seeking-wealthy-men-w1.htm

[KenC]

Ken, I find it laughable that you don't think finding someone like Lena on your first trip is not like a blind squirrel finding an acorn.   Sometimes your comments show your inexperience with the processes for finding a good RW.

Huh? :noidea:

More Turboisms?  I wasn't blind to understand the great qualities that Lena offered.  I also was not desperate to fill a wife vacancy nor was I willing to make a business deal to secure her affection.  Maybe finding a good RW is not a ten year quest for those with more to offer than a business transaction.
KenC

[BC]

What I meant to imply in this thread is that Turbo doesn't seem nearly as clueless as these other guys.  I think he knows what he's getting into and in addition, I think the harm he can cause newbies by his so called "bad advice" is negligible.  Last I recall, the guys that are doing this are old enough to drink.  They should be old enough to think for themselves as well.  *shrug*

If that were the case, there would not be many members here at all..

When it comes to women (or men) dealing with the opposite sex is delving into unfamiliar territory.  The sheer amount of books on dealing with the opposite sex and relationships evidences that in general, many, if not most have a need to more fully understand the true complexities involved.

Here, at RWD even deeper levels of complexity are discussed.. We're not talking about the 'girl next door'.

Turbo has often stated that he has learned a lot by participating here and that he wished he had found such resources sooner.  Although I stumbled across RW fora long after I met my wife, I have indeed profited hugely from the knowledge of those that preceded me.

Based on my experience, I can confidently state that I believe Turbo and VW have only scratched the surface of their venture and will only begin to realize the true value of this fora in the years ahead.

To put it quite blankly, folks like jb and KenC and numerous others came off like the biggest @holes years ago whereas today my opinion is quite different.. - Before you two get balloon heads I have to say that I still disagree with some of your opin and expressions thereof.. - but all considered, I tip my hat.