Solo trip, need advice plz???

[pk-uk]

You probably won't find on any anti scam site a GCG listed as a scammer. Most major anti scam sites do not list women like that.

So are you saying that because GCG's aren't listed on anti-scam sites, they are not scammers  ???

Unlike having proof of email and headers for requesting money or Western Union receipts of sending money, when it comes to GCG's. it's he say/she say. When a divorce ends quickly, a man is quick to say the woman married him for a GC and the woman is quick to say the man has issues she can't live with.

Or are you saying because the unlikelihood of GCG's appearing on anti-scam sites they are not scammers  ???  Interesting philosophy.

Sometimes marriages are business agreements. Woman gets the green card and man gets two years of sex with a young hottie. Both people get what they want, no scamming there.

Absolutely.  Would agree with you there - but not sure what it has got to do with Koluji's post or my question.  Or are you suggesting that Koluji should enter into a business agreement so that he doesn't get scammed?

I'm sure everybody here has lied to gain material possessions,  money, or gain the advantage pertaining to certain situations in their life. Technically we're all scammers to some degree. Some much worse than others. It's just best not to lump everyone in the same category.

Ah right, so who is the judge between scammer and non-scammer?

Or should I answer my own question by going back though the posts in this thread   

Paul

[Misha]

Well, I can see Billy's point. A scammer will try to maximize her profits by trying to con as many men as possible. Why scam 1 when she can scam 10 or 100 or 1000. A GCG needs only 1 green card. Once she has that, she does not need another one and it is highly unlikely she will go to an agency to find her next husband. At that point, it will truly be a he said/she said story, typical of most divorces.

[BillyB]

So are you saying that because GCG's aren't listed on anti-scam sites, they are not scammers  ???

No, because GCG's aren't listed on anti-scam sites, anti-scam sites imply they aren't scammers. GCG's give something back to the person helping them get a green card and that is companionship to some degree. I consider scammers never giving anything in return for want they obtain from others. Technically, by your definition of a scammer, we all should be listed on anti-scam sites because we all took advantage of others for personal gain.

[LiveFromUkraine]

 

Man this thread made me laugh.

I wouldn't bother helping this guy.  He has russian friends which can help him. 


How funny.


Thomas

[SANDRO43]

I wouldn't bother helping this guy.  He has russian friends which can help him.

His nick sounds Turkish .

[William3rd]

Hey guys- he has been gone for five days now. I think he stopped listening a couple pages ago. . . .

[LiveFromUkraine]

Hey guys- he has been gone for five days now. I think he stopped listening a couple pages ago. . . .

I am used to no one listening William.  I am married. 


Thomas

[ScottinCrimea]

I am used to no one listening William.  I am married. 
Thomas

Trust me Thomas, she is listening, and you will hear all about it in a year or two.  :zappedhim:

[LiveFromUkraine]

Trust me Thomas, she is listening, and you will hear all about it in a year or two.  :zappedhim:

 

I was wondering why she always insist on tape recording our conversations.   
 

Thomas

[pk-uk]

No, because GCG's aren't listed on anti-scam sites, anti-scam sites imply they aren't scammers.

Ah, so they only imply.  That doesn't mean these anti-scam sites don't think they ARE scammers then - just that they don't get to hear of any real-life scenarios for the obvious reason you stated.

Personally, I feel that's where scam warning sites like the ones I gave links for are a better bet for learning about scams.  As one of them suggested, the Green Card Hunter (sic) is the most dangerous of all scammers.  Probably is, in my opinion.

GCG's give something back to the person helping them get a green card and that is companionship to some degree.

I'm sure this philosophy would be very comforting to someone who hopes and dreams have been shattered by a GCG and all he's feeling is that he's just been the victim of a con.
 

I consider scammers never giving anything in return for want they obtain from others. Technically, by your definition of a scammer, we all should be listed on anti-scam sites because we all took advantage of others for personal gain.

Well, of course, we all have our own opinions and they may not tie in with others.  However, I don't recall posting my definition of a scammer and what you've suggested simply doesn't tie in with my definition of a scammer - certainly not in this context.   I think you must have me confused with someone else.

Best Wishes,

Paul

[BillyB]

I'm sure this philosophy would be very comforting to someone who hopes and dreams have been shattered by a GCG and all he's feeling is that he's just been the victim of a con.

Men who have hopes and dreams don't think they are going to marry a GCG. But if the marriage quickly ends in divorce, the guys may accuse the women of being GCG's. Keep in mind, some of these men have bad personalities and bad character and the woman may leave them not because she is a GCG, but she can't take it anymore. In the end, it's he say/she say to who done wrong in the marriage.

Well, of course, we all have our own opinions and they may not tie in with others.  However, I don't recall posting my definition of a scammer and what you've suggested simply doesn't tie in with my definition of a scammer - certainly not in this context.   I think you must have me confused with someone else.

Here's what you said earlier and keep in mind, you're the only guy in this thread that labeled her a scammer if she happens to be insincere. The rest of us gave warnings that she may have insincere intentions.

"Much of the advice being given here seems to be in the form of questions or statements doubting the girl's sincerity and suggesting that her intentions might simply be just to get back into the US.  Isn't such a girl a scammer?  A number of scam sites seem to think so & I do too "

In the World of RW forums, there are labels to apply to insincere RW such as scammer, pro dater, and GCG and it's best to not label everyone the same because they're not. I didn't create the labels but they are pretty much accepted by most.

[DKMM]

I highly doubt she is of upper middle class if she lives in that region unless her dad is a very high ranking govt/ military official.  The odds seem quite remote.  Good luck getting there, its a very secure area!

[pk-uk]

But if the marriage quickly ends in divorce, the guys may accuse the women of being GCG's. Keep in mind, some of these men have bad personalities and bad character and the woman may leave them not because she is a GCG, but she can't take it anymore. In the end, it's he say/she say to who done wrong in the marriage.

Hmmmmmm....  Yyyeeeeeesss.......  but so what?

Here's what you said earlier and keep in mind, you're the only guy in this thread that labeled her a scammer if she happens to be insincere.

No, Billy, I didn't label her a scammer just because she is insincere. In fact, I didn't mean it to be taken that I was labelling her at all - others were doing that    On the other hand, neither would I label everybody who is insincere a scammer, as you seem to believe.  Read it again.

If you want/need a clue ponder this:  A dog has four legs.  A chair has four legs.  Therefore a dog is a table q.e.d.

"Much of the advice being given here seems to be in the form of questions or statements doubting the girl's sincerity and suggesting that her intentions might simply be just to get back into the US.  Isn't such a girl a scammer?  A number of scam sites seem to think so & I do too "

In the World of RW forums, there are labels to apply to insincere RW such as scammer, pro dater, and GCG and it's best to not label everyone the same because they're not. I didn't create the labels but they are pretty much accepted by most.

Billy, I replied to this post because you posted to Kaluji:  "The only person who used the word "scammer" here is you. All we're saying is that you could be used and beware."

Notwithstanding the inaccuracy of your first sentence, it seemed to me to imply that you did not think what you have explained you would call a GCG was a scammer.  You have explained why you do not think so and, as I said, we all have our opinions and they may not tie in with others.  So I'm really not sure what point you are trying to make.

At your request, I posted you examples of scam sites who consider GCG's scammers.  What you consider "labels" they consider "types" of scammer, using scammer as an overall classification.  I didn't create the classifications, but as I said, over the years I have often seen a GCG situation considered a scam.

As for not labelling everybody the same because they are not, surely, if one takes the definition of a scammer as someone who perpetuates a scam - not unreasonable, I'd suggest - then because there are many types and ways in which a scam can be enacted then one is bound to get a number of general types of scam.  And surely, as to whether one type or category is not so bad as another, it doesn't make it any less a scam.

FWIW, I think this a reasonable definition of scam: a dishonest or illegal plan or activity, esp. one for making money (Cambridge Dictionary of American English).  Though I know not all dictionaries necessarily agree   

Anyway. You've explained your reasons as to why you think a GCG is not a scammer.  Hopefully I've corrected your misunderstanding of why I think otherwise and explained where I am coming from.  I don't think we'll ever agree, but then, does it really matter?  I think not.

Best Wishes,

Paul

[Koluji Ezhik]

Ok, I have returned. I had to stop reading the posts for a while, because I found much of what was said to be rubish. Some of you people on her have offered warm well wishes, and some good sound advice. I greatly appreciate it. Some other people on here seem so negative, and condescending. I removed the photo of my friend, because some people made such awful remarks about her.  Some of you don't see these people as human beings, and that is really sick. I have my ticket in hand, my passport to. My visa will arrive on the 11th, and I will leave for K-grad 6 days later. I will be staying in the family apartment. Also my friend has rented a large Mansion on the Baltic Sea for us to spend some private time together. I am very excited about my trip. I really came on this forum for advice about some technical issues about passport, and visa. I didn't come on here for my friends character to be questioned, and bad things said about me and her. Our friendship is very complex at this point. I was married to my American wife when this girl was here in the USA. So we were only friends, by mutual agreement. She is a great friend. I am looking at this as a vacation. I am not going there to get married. I can't be married yet. My divorce is almost final, but I am in no rush. I am not making 16 trips all over FSU trying to find a wife. I am going to meet my friend, and her family. To see this very fascinating place. I don't need a lawyer, or all this bullsh*t being said about me just going to have sex, or mule suit fittings, or questions, about this girl's character. How is a person that is pretty much hunting for a woman like an animal on a safari, in any position to question someone else's character?
I am not saying all of you on here are this way. There are some great people here that are fair minded with much to offer. I think what I am doing is very genuine. I am not going to my own burning death, as some of you make it sound. I am taking a vacation, and have some good people welcoming me. Mama is already making preparations for a huge party, and many feasts in my honor. Her brother is preparing to show me the lifestyle of a Russian man. I sent him a small bottle of Jack Daniels a year ago, and for this he is promising to take me to the Banya, and show me how Russian men drink. These are the kind of good people that I am going to see. Very kind, open, and welcoming. I am sure some of you will find terrible, and cynical things to say. I choose to believe that you are just jealous. I don't want to start a war on here. I have appreciated many aspects of this discussion. I apologize for becoming so defensive, and I thank many of you for your advice. Some people on here crossed the line with the assumptions they made about me and my friend, and the insulting, and ridiculous comments they made. Thank you, to most of you, and if you would be interested I will post photos from my trip, and relate the details of my experience if there is any interest.  Let me know, and I will be glad to,
Koluji Ezhik)))))))

[Mir]

Proceed with caution is good.
Still he is a young man with time on his side. He has come across a bundle of cash and he wants to travel to Russia to meet a girl he finds attractive.
I don't see why he should not do this. What is life without a bit of adventure and risk?

OK I will just repeat my previous post on your situation.
Remember that you are going for a holiday and will spend some relaxed, quality time with your friend/friends.
Good luck

[William3rd]

It would be very nice for you to post a trip report and pictures when you return from your trip. You can tell us the results whether good or bad.

Have a nice trip. . . . . .and good luck

[Flyfisheron]

Koluji:

It takes a little while to get used to the 'feel' of this particular discussion board.  Yes, there are some that are nothing more than nay-sayers and do nothing more than perpetrate negativity, but I think for the most part the more 'seasoned' guys here actually try to pass along some of the wisdom that they have aquired overs years of trying to brdge this cross-cultural devide.

I always had the impression that there are a number of guys on here who have been seriously burned (both financially and emotionally), and don't want to see someone else experience the same things that they did.  Some express  this through negativity, others through advice.  Others still, just seem to think that they have all the answers to any question that anyone could ever even think to ask - either that, or they just love to hear themselves speak.  Spend a little time reading, and you'll learn to be able to tell the difference.

Personally, I 'lurked' here for almost two years just reading...trying to get a feel for the different personalities.  If you can sift through it all, you will find a lot of wisdom hidden below the surface.  Take the warnings for what they are - warnings.  You don't have to agree with them.  Some of them will be wrong, some will be dead on target.

No one knows all of the intricacies of your particular situation other than you and your lady friend.  Go with an open mind, heart, and eyes.  Enjoy the trip.  Best case, you come home with a relationship that has the continued potential to flourish.  Worst case, you get to see a new part of the world that a lot of people get to experience.  Sounds like win/win to me.

Fly